Escape the systemd cancer. Try distros like Devuan, all you need from debian without the cuckery.
https://devuan.org/
Remember that Devuan repositories are currently loaded with requests. WE MORE NEED MIRRORS!
Don't listen to BSD cucks and poettering trolls.
Why we don't want systemD:
"systemd is what appears to be intentionally attempting to fragment the FOSS community by inserting bloated high velocity corporate code that by design makes itself as intrusive in terms of dependencies as possible.
This is a very bad precedent for FOSS and should be addressed with concern".
Anon The Wise.
Plus it creates software dependency at an alarming rate, it has a massive attack surface connected to the network with su-like functionality, and more.
See:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd
http://systemd-free.org/why.php
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2608798/data-center/systemd--harbinger-of-the-linux-apocalypse.html
Yay, another Linux schism!
Now that we are divided, we can surely defeat Microsoft!
>>54691037
>>54690998
>it has a massive attack surface connected to the network
It's funny though,most of the recently discovered vulnerablities in Linux stem back to the pre-systemd era.You know,when everybody supposedly didn't have their heads up their asses?
>>54691082
systemd = svchost.exe
>>54691060
Microsoft can't even make a decent OS,let alone a workable plan for world domination.
Don't listen to telemarketers.
Microsoft already tried to cuck GNU/Linux. Search for "Halloween documents" and "embrace, extend, extinguish".
Also
>inb4 BSD shills
ITT: bunch of NEETs who don't want to learn systemd
>>54691263
How good systemd integrates with PAM?
Oh, wait.
>>54691037
>Now that we are divided, we can surely defeat Microsoft!
>Hey guize, let's fight Microsoft by using software developed by this shitlord who admires Microsoft who is paid by a big company like Microsoft!
>>54691263
>ITT: bunch of NEETs who don't want to learn systemd
>systemctl wtv
WHOA REALLY HARD HUH
>>54690998
half the links given cite bad attitude and immaturity of systemd as reasons to not use it.
>code made by people with bad attitudes shouldn't be used
>using linux
>linus torvalds
POETTERING WILL MAKE COMPUTING GREAT AGAIN
>>54690998
>systemd is what appears to be intentionally attempting to fragment the FOSS community
because having to know 4 init systems for 4 distros was such a unifying feeling
>>54691462
>>54691471
>>54691480
Shills have landed.
>>54690998 (OP)
>systemd is what appears to be intentionally attempting to fragment the FOSS community
I think it's the opposite. The FOSS community is fragmenting the Linux ecosystem
>I dont like X library so I'm creating Y.
>Y sucks, Z is better!
>I don't like this API version, let's throw it into the trash because this new version is better, f*ck backwards compatibility.
That's why Linux will never be considered for porting existing software to it(CAD, office, DTP, media creation, etc)
>>54691462
>>code made by people with bad attitudes shouldn't be used
>>using linux
>>linus torvalds
Theres Linus bad attitude, then there's being a complete dick which won't even debug shit or check portability and expect others to do their work
typical systemd shill logic
>>54690998
>cuckery
At least Poettering isn't so much of a sperglord that he would stoop to using this annoying meme.
>>54691497
>because having to know 4 init systems for 4 distros was such a unifying feeling
>We need an init to unite them all!
>later...
>Damn, now we have 5 inits and further fragmentation
>>54690998
Why do I want to deal with udev and all that shit?
>>54690998
>Please use our shitty OS guys please please please
omg systemd so fast
haters gonna hate
>>54691630
>jerking_off_to_my_laptop.webm
>>54691585
Except most distros are adopting systemd and the other init systems are only receiving bug/security fixes.
>>54691630
>HDD
>>54690998
>cuck
>cuck
>cuuuuuckkkk!
Yeah, nah. I don't care how good whatever you're shilling is, I'm never even going to look at it until the stupid little kid memewords stop.
>>54691698
fuck systemd and faster startups. enjoy your botnet and zero control when they hijack your desktop.
lubuntu 14.04 mudafucka
>>54692027
I don't use systemd.
>>54691648
>Except most distros are adopting systemd
Perhaps only now that Ubuntu and Debian changed to systemd, whicn was very controversial and cost them supporters
>the other init systems are only receiving bug/security fixes.
[citation needed]
How good Devuan found a good 4chan shill
I was not handling it, though I was doing it for free
I don't care about Free Libre Gratis Open Source Software(TM) principles, but from what I see systemd seems pretty bloated.
>>54692345
>I don't care about Free Libre Gratis Open Source Software(TM) principles,
Eh? That's not the issue here
systemd is FOSS
the problem is the dependency bloat
the way it turns everything it touches into a dependency, which will break the whole system if you remove it
tl;dr do one thing and do it well
>>54692345
What systemd is, is irrelevant.
The problem starts when something better than systemd appears in the future,
and nobody can implemented because this piece of trash at that moment will be too integrated and forced.
And this is the issue.
>>54690998
If you need to shill your operating system on a site like 4chan then I'm pretty sure it's a bad OS.
Also,
>beta
>>54692141
After systemd gets completely adopted by all big and medium sized distros, the other init systems will probably enter in a maintenance state or they will adapt to be compatible.
The next step would be standardizing the GUI toolkits, maybe Qt will be the winner.
>>54691345
>shitlord
>>>/tumblr/
>>54690998
>install devuan
>attempt to install samba
>cannot install due to repo fuckup
>check mailinglist
>upstream gets blamed, nothing fucking changes
>issue still persists right now
I want to like devuan, but seriously, get your fucking heads out of your arses and fix those stupid issues.
>>54690998
>Devuan
No thanks, I will stick with a refined, sophisticated and mature distro for gentlemen like myself
I am a proud fedora user
>>54692168
>Devuan
>>54692554
>devuan
>>54692579
>Devuan
Trying hard to stop Devuan amirite
>>54690998
Fuck Linux, just go over to FreeBSD.
Even if you escape systemd on Linux their constant shitty changes in the kernel will fuck you eventually.
Daily reminder that the source to FreeBSD's kernel, userland, and compiler is smaller than the Linux kernel source.
>>54692554
Devuan Veteran Unix Admins are too busy conducting a pointless witch hunt against libsystemd.
https://lwn.net/Articles/685794/
I guess everyone needs windmills to tilt at, and for some kooks it's systemd.
>daily reminder
Don't to use shitty BSD.
Ignore cucks.
>>54690998
Newcuck here
Isn't systemD pretty convenient?
>Enable ufw
systemctl enable ufw -f
>Enable Netwrokmanager
systemctl enable NetworkManager
>Restart secure shell
systemctl restart sshd.service
>Enable a display manager
systemctl enable sddm -f
>Stop bt service
systemctl disable bluetooth.service -f
>Hibernate
systemctl hibernate
>>54692444
>standardizing
why a need for this shit on the first place
open source is freedom of choice
not Red Hat monopilizing open source software to lockdown users just like proprietary ms or apple do
>>54693261
This.
Also taking away the freedom of choice is not standardizing, is locking away the userbase.
>>54693170
those simple operation don't really represent the problem with systemd
any other init can do those things, eg. openrc
rc-update add ufw
rc-update add NetworkManager
rc-service sshd restart
rc-update add sddm
rc-update del bluetooth
pm-hibernate (using pm-utils)
>>54693261
>open source is freedom of choice
No, it's not.
Even if it was, why do you think your desire to choose trumps developers desire to utilize features of systemd in their software?
>>54693170
If you're expecting a logical reason to get rid of systemd don't bother. I hung around the same thread asking the same question and all I got was broken English replies suggesting I was a NSA shill. I fucking wish I worked for the NSA. My porn collection would be huge.
What's interesting is that they complain about systemd replacing shit when they didn't. You can still make cron jobs. You can still make init scripts. You can still use fstab. You can still view uevents.
>>54693410
Open source is not entirely about freedom of choice, but it's a part of it. What spawned Linux in the first place was Linus wanting an alternative to Windows at the time.
>>54692453
>Not taking the name shitlord as a badge of honor in 2016.
>>54693436
Well, wayland depends on systemd. Why does it need systemd in specefic?
>>54690998
You're nearly as persistent as that faggot Void shill we had here about a week ago.
>>54693518
So are you, you systemd propagandist.
>>54693501
>wayland depends on systemd
no it doesn't.
>>54693501
>Why does it need systemd in specefic
Probably because wayland devs liked some of systemd's features and decided to use them. Well the kernel depends on C. Why does it need C in specefic[sic]?
>>54693579
kernel is a binary file
>>54693518
Void?
>>54693483
>but it's a part of it.
Just like choice is a part of eating food or taking a shit. It's not relevant to the actual point at all.
And let me tell you the big difference between people who whinge about systemd and people like Linus Torvalds. Linus Torvalds wrote code to solve the problems he saw, he didn't sit in a corner and cry about other people not doing what he liked.
>>54693596
Every file on my hard drive is binary.
>>54693636
That's why the language of the source does not matter
>>54693620
>Just like choice is a part of eating food or taking a shit
What an awkward analogy which makes little sense.
>It's not relevant to the actual point at all.
It is.
>Linus Torvalds wrote code to solve the problems he saw
Exactly, that's the Linux philosophy. Completely open source, completely customisable to your needs and do it yourself.
>>54693731
>What an awkward analogy which makes little sense.
It makes complete sense.
>completely customisable to your needs and do it yourself.
Good, you get it. So when developers exercise their freedom to do things themselves and start depending on useful features of systemd, shut the fuck up and do the work yourself to maintain your own system the way you want instead of whinging and expecting other people to do it for you.
>>54691303
If you HaveNothingToHide®, PAM is garbage. Install SElinux.
>>54693807
Or maybe, just maybe, developers could actually provide an alternative to systemd. Holy fuck, poettering at least make it less obvious when you shill for your own work/
>>54693857
>developers could actually provide an alternative to systemd
Who? Alternatives in what? Are you going to pay them to do this work? Why don't you do it yourself if that's what you want?
Free software developers don't owe entitled little shits like you anything, let alone their time and work.
>>54693884
Thank good the open source doesn't think like you. Most operating systems provide a choice to run with systemd or alternatives. Gentoo runs on openrc for once. I know you're from reddit, but you don't have to look like a complete edgelord in every single post you make. I can smell your pretentiousness all the way from here.
>>54693601
Void Linux. Systemd free, interesting package management, good performance.
If you want a somewhat more paranoid version, or super lightweight, try Alpine. Arch-like install process (but there's actually a good reason for that)
>>54693927
>Most operating systems provide a choice to run with systemd or alternatives.
Actually, most distributions do not. Only Debian and Gentoo do, out of the distributions that are in any way relevant.
Do you know why and how these choices are offered? Because somebody is doing the work to make it so. These options don't just fall from the sky and into your lap, they require development time, testing, support, code, manpower. That's how free software works.
You're not entitled to choices just because you asked for them.
>The Linux philosophy is 'Laugh in the face of danger'. Oops. Wrong One. 'Do it yourself'.
-- Linus Torvalds
Daily reminder that if you're "forced" to use systemd it's because of wide developer adoption and not your shitty conspiracy theories.
>>54690998
I would mirror you, but you're an unprofessional retard.
>>54693961
>Arch-like install process (but there's actually a good reason for that)
No. Alpine has an installer. it's really simple and quick too.Alpine reminds me of the BSDs, which is funny since it's arguably a "pure" Linux distro (no GNU)
>>54693965
Holy fuck you're obnoxious, it has to be you poettering shilling sytemd.
>They don't owe you anything
Good! Why is your software pre installed on every fucking distro then? Since I'm 'not entitled' to your oh so great software, how about you remove it? People like you are what're killing the open source community.
>>54693985
I mean there's no pretty graphical walk-through. You do everything by command line, and manually partition bare disks.
>>54694018
>Why is your software pre installed on every fucking distro then?
Because distribution developers are almost unanumously *made the choice* that systemd is the best *choice*. You love choice so much, maybe you should respect theirs.
>Since I'm 'not entitled' to your oh so great software, how about you remove it?
You're not entitled to it, you just chose to use a distribution that chose to use it. Choice, choice, choice.
>>54693985
>No. Alpine has an installer.
Is it graphical?
I thought it had no installer and had a gentoo approach
like Crux
>>54694084
see
>>54694039
It's text-based.
>>54693961
>Alpine
Nothing works on that piece of shit
>>54693013
Stop? I was being serious
I even have it installed on my laptop faggot
>>54694084
>>54694039
it asks a few questions
and by default it partitions automatically
>>54694097
What about Crux?
>>54694122
On my msata ssd it wouldn't progress unless I manually partitioned.
>>54694127
What about it?
>>54693961
>Arch-like install process (but there's actually a good reason for that)
there is never a good reason for that, except to be an edgy cool kid
>>54691648
what the fuck else would you want from a fucking init system
it's not a fucking swiss army knife, it's just supposed to boot your system
>>54694250
It's meant to be flashed to a USB drive and run from there. Alpine's main focus is on servers and routers.
>>54690998
>BSD
>cucks
pick one
At least they aren't cucked from their freedoms by the GPL.
>>54693822
underrated post
>>54690998
>tfw openrc on my gentoo
Fuck nsa/redhat
>>54691630
HDD or SSD ?
