LISA SU'S
ABOUT TO MAKE
YOU HER BITCH
>>54626794
did she add another trillion cores to barely match the performance of a 4core intel?
>>54626794
>buying a shitty CPU for cheap makes it all better
Yeah, I don't think so. Zen or bust, faggot.
>>54626842
i laughed
>>54626842
>AMD Zen
>48 cores per cpu
>12 cores on a $25 semperon
>still slower than an 2500K
>but but but MULTITHREADEDAPPLICATIUNS
AMD HOUSEFIRES
AMD HOUSEFIRES EVERYWHERE
ITT: smarmy Intelfags and Nvidiots fellate one another
>>54627649
BUTTMAD AMDPOORFAGS DETECTED
ITT poorfags still using programs from before 2008
>>54627658
Actually, this PC is Intel/Nvidia. I'm just not a faggot about it.
Enjoy your extra IMMIGRANTS Intel fags.
ITT: children talk about "performance" when they really mean "FPS in my juvenile vidya for Wintendo"
>>54627060
Thanks, we will deposit into your account soon, keep posting
>>54627133
I don't think you understand the purpose of having that many cores.
Hint: it is not meant for desktops.
correct me if im wrong but amd cpus would be alright for video editing / rendering / compiling ?
>>54627938
>I don't think you understand the purpose of having that many cores.
And neither does AMD
>tfw using xeons from 2010
>tfw equivalent performance per core to my old 8320
>>54629830
>tfw using overclocked fx8320
>tfw 60 dollars cheaper than i5 4460 at the time
>tfw I made the right decision :')
>>54629631
Core i7 + NVIDIA GPU (NVENC)
>>54629631
Yeah, the 8 cores can sometimes match an i7 4770.
>>54629921
At times the higher clocked models can really fly.
>>54629688
topest of keks
>>54627060
>>54630101
i'll have what this guy's having
>>54627938
>Not for desktops
You couldn't pay me to put that shit in a server if that's what you're implying
>>54629866
Wow a vidya that nobody plays
sign me up
>>54626794
People actually buy AMD processors, that fact will never cease to amaze me
Where do they get the money to keep going? Government contracts? Cheap deals with prefab companies?
>>54630267
>>54630312
Microsoft and Sony.
They got the left over contract after NVIDIA turned them down.
>>54630318
Wow a game that was absolute shit
Sign me up
>>54630373
whether you liked a game or not has no bearing on benchmark results
>top-down-cooler
>>54630418
The game in question is running on an engine slapped together in 2002 and optimized for Nvidia GeForce4 cards from the same era.
>>54630466
AMD actually had better performance on Fallout 4 for a couple of months before bethesda fixed some serious bugs for nvidia users.
>>54630466
really, because my 980 ti raped that game
>>54630466
>pure autism
You're an embarrassment to /g/
>>54630428
Does it hurt to live?
>>54630495
That's not a point in anyone's favor.
>>54630547
Isn't that a good thing? An honest, neutral, opinion?
>>54630252
No but intel will pay you to.
>>54630636
Intel would pay me to put an AMD processor in my server?
>>54626794
>dangerously good deals on 2012 32nm cpu that wasn't even anyhow best when it come out
truly, all-out mayhem
and they're still producing it?
>>54627886
This.
>>54626794
Do they sell the cooler stand-alone? I don't want the shitty cpu it comes with.
I like how retarded people are in this thread.
>>54632791
10 years ago when i was a poorfag i bought several amd products from athlons to opterons. Good times when i made due with what i had. There is a market for value buyers and AMD makes it possible for them to enjoy a decent computing experience they can afford.
>>54632915
sure there is, i'm using 8320 myself. I'm just suprised they're still selling same product after almost five years, five years is a lot of time in this business.
>>54632935
And a 8320 is still very fine because CPU's have been stuck for years now.
>>54630428
Uh, all stock coolers with the exception of the ones on the slotted CPUs have been top-down.
>>54626794
>CPU ad
>Posts the cooler
>>54626794
AMD is as flop as Daikatana is
>>54626794
>>54633315
HAHA, get it, because it runs so HOT...
FAIL AMD, FAIL.
>>54633330
>Daikatana
get back to /v/ faggot
>>54627886
>linuxfag mad because he can't get any games for his hobbyists os
>LISA SU'S ABOUT TO MAKE YOU HER BITCH
That sounds kinda hot
>>54633653
Housefire levels of hot
>>54629631
They're really fucking good at it, actually.
>>54633413
>Knows what Daikatana is
Back to >>>/v/ faggot
>>54626794
(Fire extinguisher available separately)
>>54634315
Yup, it actually came bundled with my GeForce 256, I had no choice, still sits somewhere in a box like new.
When are we finally getting Excavator APUs on the AM4 platform with 2400MHz dual-channel DDR4 RAM? That should be a great stopgap until the full set of Zen chips come out, and it should run Indie and casual games under Linux pretty well.
>>54630576
>neutral
>opinion
Pick one
>>54634661
It gets announced at Computex.
>>54634661
Well, according to your chart, Bristol Ridge should come out in June.
>get Phenom II X2.
>it unlocks to a Phenom II X4.
>a quad core processor for 90$ when an i5 2500K was almost three times as expensive and that kind of money would have bought you a Celeron.
>it still runs great, can even overclock on the stock cooler.
Intel is running a monopoly on the high performance market, higher prices for negligible performance to the normal user, I'd shill for AMD any day and put the rest of the money into something that will last me for sometime, case, PSU, HDDs or SSDs.
>>54630576
that wasn't an opinion
>>54634812
This was my plan in 2011 but mine didn't unlock, so I was stuck with the dual core. I have since purchased a 4670k which I used then gave away to family and then a 5820k. If that fucking 555 unlocked I'd probably still be using it and probably would still just play poorfag games and be happy instead of getting pissed at shit games like BF4.
ITT: a lot of intelshills who don't do virtualization and hence don't see the point of having multiple cores of >8GB RAM
>>54634629
Let me guess, you bought a GF256 for video editing/playback or some other bullshit, and obviously not to play games, a videocard that is for games specifically.
Back to >>>/v/ for being a lying faggot.
>>54634882
It was a great budget build and still is, getting the four cores stable and running was fucking fantastic.
and the 8350 is now almost in the same price range as an i3.
>>54634914
What the hell is wrong with playing video games?
>>54634914
What? Blender, Realsoft.
Faggot.
>>54627658
>LE EPIC CAPSLOCK MAYMAY INSULTS
>>54634661
APU's on the new platform might be nice with GCN 1.3 color compression and hispeed DDR4 RAM.
FM2+ APUs were very bandwidth starved.
>>54634950
Nothing at all, the faggot I'm replying too is the typical narcisistic /g/ faggot that fell for the meme that you have to hate videogames to be cool here, because he is too afraid of others thinking he is a manchild for having fun with something "for kids".
>>54634951
Then why didn't you buy a videocard more appropiate for that sort of task, like a Quadro? Nop, you had to go for the card that is for playing games, because you obviously don't play them or you are just too stupid (maybe you could not afford it?), but wait, the GF256 was pretty fucking expensive in 1999 anyway.
Lying faggot, whose approval did you need so badly?
>>54635407
On the CPU side of things, if Zen-based APUs finally have IPC up around Ivy Bridge/Haswell I think they could finally start to make a lot of sense in solid all-around budget builds. Fast DDR4 is getting more affordable but it still is a bit pricey.
>>54635570
Lookin to upgrade to a Zen based APU in 2017 since I dont game heavily anymore.
By 2017 when Zen APU hits the market fast DDR4 should be cheap.
>tfw 3570k
I really want an 8 core Zen chip. Don't fuck it up, AMD.
>>54635675
2500k here, I have been looking for an excuse to upgrade for ages.
>>54629866
>proud of (DX11) drivers being an absolute mess
>falls behind a 4Ghz i7-920 in 90% of cases
Come on now.
>>54635675
Watch the news, I have insider knowledge, the gtx 1080 launch has bankrupt AMD. They will be closing shop in a few days.
>>54635675
They've confirmed (mostly) that they'll be doing 6 and 8c chips. Whether more cores will be an option for very high end "prosumer" type stuff remains to be seen. Personally I want to see them sell unlocked 12 and 16c SKUs just as a good and proper fuck you to intel.
>>54635793
Their modules are 4 cores each.
>>54635793
The issue really isn't if they can add MOARCOARS, but rather if they can manage the power draw properly while doing so.
A 16 core monster isn't practical for consumer use if it has 200w+ tdp.
>>54635792
rofl
>>54635884
> practical
> 16 core for consumer
Come on now.
>>54635793
12/16 core CPUs would be MCM units and outrageously expensive, binned for server applications. Zen was confirmed as being 6/8 core standalone and 4core APUs. Whether or not they will sell 4 cores with the GPU disabled, there's been not a single word on it.
Here's what's going to happen, it could be one of two things
Either:
>Zen and Polaris are hits
>sell enough to recoup two years of losses,
>recoup ~20-30% market share on both sides
>2018, the year of Navi and Zen+, AMD has enough profit to justify new standalone 4/2 core dies and new 10+ core dies with a full new GPU product stack
or
>Zen and Polaris, while competitive, do not break the Intel-nVidia mindshare
>Some market share comes back but,
>Profits are not all that great
>Still a struggle into slowly downward spiralling loss
>We see more moves to a semi-custom business with a few products designed solely for professional use
>AMD slowly moves away from desktop/general user products
>We get more high end parts, more parts tailored to laptop, but never will we see a full line up that covers all price points.
>>54635952
Well OK I admit, that's a bit silly.
The target and needs to hit is a 4/6 core with sandy bridge IPC, with lower power draw then skylake, at $99.99 USD
THAT would actually save AMD.
>>54635877
The 6c chips could be ones where 2 cores on one or split between the 2 modules has failed validation.
>>54635884
200W TDP for a 16C chip is acceptable considering what you're getting out of it. 200W for an 8c chip on the otherhand now that would be bullshit. There's also the fact AMD has some very good power control IP that they developed in getting a handle on the fuckery that was the construction cores that I have no doubt that they'll stuff into Zen.
>>54636003
>12/16 core CPUs would be MCM units and outrageously expensive, binned for server applications.
The CERN slides seemed to indicate that AMD is doing 16C dies for the server market like intel does, with a 32C MCM option. I was simply suggesting that AMD could take the chips that arent the cream of the crop and sell them as consumer units.
As for Zen not being a hit, I know ALOT of people would be all over an affordable 8c/16t chip @ or above Haswell performance.
>>54636077
>$99 USD
Nigga what the fuck are you smoking?
>>54629631
AMD CPUs are fantastic at anything that is programmed well to scale to N cores. All games have the potential to do this but game programmers just don't do it.
>>54634812
you forgot to mention how you couldn't even overclock intel cpus unless you paid a premium for their bullshit
it's like paying a mexican extra for purposefully wasting more of your time to finish his work..
then there's the fact that AMD motherboards are usually half the price and just as good...
wait, did AMD release some new info about ZEN?
>>54636077
That's dumb dude. 4c would beat an i3 and those are $160
>>54635538
You left no room for debate there for him desu
>>54629631
Literally the only thing these shitty amd cpus are good at.
>>54626842
>w-when are we going to get 8 cores for less than 10 grands intel-sepai?
>w-what's that? bend over again? well I guess X99 is worth it...
>>54636770
When AMD makes a 32 core that's faster than Intels 6 core models.
>>54636783
my GPU has like 1700 cores man get on my level.
>>54636815
Running at 600-800KHz
>>54626848
it does, actually.
price/perf is something that adults would consider seriously.
>>54630059
>32bit
why?
>>54636829
>comparing frequency over different architectures
god damn it what happened to /g/
>>54636851
there's a threshold for perf and piledriver is below it
I honestly wouldn't buy any FX chip until Zen comes out
>>54636867
>Comparing cores to different architectures.
Yes, do tell what has happened to /g/.
Last time AMD had a say in this /g/ didn't exist.
>>54636901
>he doesn't realize I'm memeing
no nigger I wouldn't actually fucking compare CUDA to x86
can someone fill me in on amd cpus in the future? ive been out of the loop. whats their next architecture and when is it coming out? its strange to see them without even having a ddr4 processor yet
>>54636926
You mean
>he doesn't realize I'm acting retarded 4chan-edition.
>>54636969
Next architecture is Zen, its supposed to release sometime this October. We know it has hyperthreading and is an entirely different beast to the construction cores.
Pic related is what it is currently expected to look like
>>54634951
>>54635538
AHAHAHA BTFO
>thread about AMD
>instantly flooded with Intel and Nvidia trolls
>LELOELELOLoL AMD FUCKING SUCKS AMDFAGS bUTTHURT LMAO
I have both Intel and nvidia equipment and I can say that you fagolas are the most retarded cancer on this board
>>54637035
aw, was hoping for 10 or 12MB L3
>>54637113
the 8MB L3 is per 4 cores. AMD has stated that they'll be doing 6C (2 cores failed) and 8C SKUs, so that'll be something like 16MB L3 cache for the consumer chips.
>>54637152
i wonder how their single threaded performance will be.
>>54636969
piledriver is dead, the FX line hasn't had a meaningful update since 2011
the APUs are still worth it, for cheaper machines, and AMD is still periodically improving those
Zen is the microarchitecture AMD has been building from scratch for a while now (hiring the pretty famous Jim Keller for a time to work on it) and should be out by Q3 of this year.
All in all it's pretty similar to Intel's stuff if we're to believed what's been announced
>SMT (think hyper-threading)
>lower core count (2/4/8 expected on desktop models)
>higher IPC and single core performance (expected to be on par with skylake)
>smaller transistors and new transistor design (14nm FinFET)
>better power efficiency, better temperatures
>probably LGA too but no citation on that
And a few advantages related to AMD's business ethics
>unlock multiplier on every chip
>IOMMU on every chip
>no aggressive binning to sell $1K chips
And yet more advantages due to Zen's more SoC like nature
>supports both HBM and DDR4, which should make APUs much better
>fewer specs will be tied to the motherboard (supported memory clock speeds? PCI-e version? crossfire? USB version? who knows)
>much, much longer socket lifespan means you don't have to change motherboards every CPU upgrade like on Intel
Probably other things I'm missing. if AMD doesn't fuck it up it'll be glorious.
>>54637205
>improved single core performance
yes please, i hope this carries well to the 6 and 8 cores.
what do you think are some likely things they could fuck up?
>>54637201
Well, they claimed 40% over excavator, which most people's math agrees pegs it around Haswell level, although some people who have taken the leaked architecture data from the patch notes and simulated it says that 50% could be possible, which would put it within spitting distance of Skylake.
>>54637205
You got pretty much everything leaked/publically released so far. AMD has really really locked down information on Zen, which IMO lends credence that Zen is going to be bretty gud.
>>54632935
>5 years is a lot of time in this business
I kind of wish it wasn't. The fact that the FX series has lasted this long and is still relevant in niche tasks is nice. Intel's tick tock model has been shit since Sandy. If Intel hadn't spoiled us with new CPUs every year we wouldn't have the luxury of relying on the improved performance to make up for the inefficiency in our application development. If we were stuck with say Sandy up until 2016 you can bet that developers would have to make the most of the resources and power available to them and not just half ass projects saying "lol Skylakes powerful right, guys?"
>>54630527
That's not typically the direction they go.
>>54626794
I cringed pretty hard. That janky ass oem cooler.
>thinly veiled curse words to seem cool
>dangerously good deals
>mayhem
>>54637253
I don't think they'd flat out lie about the design itself, that would be extremely retarded
Zen's first iteration will spend most of its lifespan competing with Kaby Lake, and we've only been told it'll be a tad bit slower than Skylake. It could be upwards to 10% slower than Intel's products, and since gaymers usually look at benchmarks only, sales would be hurt as a result
>>54637260
>AMD has really really locked down information on Zen, which IMO lends credence that Zen is going to be bretty gud.
I think they over-publicized the shit out of Bulldozer and company. Hurt them all the more when those turned out to suck in real world scenarios.
>>54637338
I've heard their new cooler is actually pretty good. Aftermarket HSFs were pretty much mandatory for FX chips (unless you like the sound of jet engines) so any improvement is welcome.
>>54630358
>NVIDIA turned them down
Kek, they actually couldn't compete
>>54637393
techreport's article on it has it performing slightly worse than the Coolermaster Hyper D92 on an FX8370, so pretty damn good for a stock cooler.
Tom's article puts it 17C cooler than the old one, and 2C cooler than the Thermalright Macho.
>>54635538
>Quadro
holy shit, the Quadro back then whatever series it was, was 5 times the price of the 256 and based on the same chip, a idiot would have bought it.
>>54637152
Let's hope their binning cuts out 1 core from every 4-core module instead of 2 from one.
Else it'd be a disaster.
>>54637035
>Entirely Different Beast ™
FIFY
>>54637296
It's also not the direction that cooler is going either.
>>54630527
It blows down and out the sides.
>>54630428
Are you implying that's bad?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you probably use an AIO water cooler and have no idea what the fuck you're doing.
>>54637338
New cooler is actually really good, too bad it's for chips that well, aren't really good at all.
It's essentially put the Hyper212 on life support...
>>54630252
Implying you work with servers.
I just hope Zen's Single Core performance matches that of Skylake. Building a new PC at the end of the year, and I hope I can use Zen. But if it's shit guess I'll have to use Intel again.
>>54638516
How could it be a disaster? The L3 cache is a separate entity from the cores, so cutting 2 from one core cluster should still result in 8MB L3 per core cluster, and the remaining 2 cores would have it all to themselves.
>>54637205
>pretty famous Jim Keller
The shit wrecker Time to make AMD great again
>>54635793
They'll only be selling one CPU by the end of Q4 2016, a dual module CPU without an iGPU.
There will be the usual clock speed variations, but also the 6-core from salvagable failed silicons. I'm almost certain that some 4-core models might appear from the really bad samples, but that depends on how good and consistent their yields are.
We might see a return of the old unlockable six cores from the Phenom II days.
>>54637035
>8MB L3$
>8-core Zen
That would suck massive bollocks and bell-ends. I hope that's per module and not shared for the entire CPU.
Also, is the L2$ going to be integrated within each core, each module, or the entire chip? Because 512kb is double of what Intel chips have been getting per core.
>>54638773
>The L3 cache is a separate entity from the cores,
it isn't, each core can only access the L3 available to it's group of 4 cores.
>>54638993
each core. zen modules are just groups of 4 independent cores and it's associated L3
>>54638993
>has no idea how various cache policies work
>>54638995
>know literally nothing about the architecture
>likely regurgitating nonsense from faked slides
Why is everyone on this board so fucking dumb?
>>54638993
Its supposed to be per core cluster, so a 2 cluster chip would have 16MB L3 cache.
L2 cache should be per core.
>>54638995
>What is cache snooping
>>54639039
>>What is cache snooping
enjoy your latency
>>54638248
>same chip
LMAO
So you think in nvidia everyone is an idiot, they think their costumers are idiots and that they actually are.
Obviously the Quadro has some capabilities that the GeForce doesn't, even if based on the same chip, they process shaders/polygons differently (not getting into details), so for professional applications even an entry level Quadro would shred to pieces a GeForce (in 3ds Max for example), games work differently and don't get benefit from it, that is why you have different lines of products.
But I'm only gonna assume you were an amateur if you had no idea about this.
Or you are trolling, in which case I'm the idiot [ :
>>54639025
>Why is everyone on this board so fucking dumb?
>everyone who doesn't agree with my unreasonable and unfounded opinions is an idiot!
you are probably a bernie supporter
>>54626794
Did we get Zen APUs yet? No? Okay fuck off.
>>54639074
>butthurt shit eating retard
You're acting as if blatant speculation is 100% factual, and you're deliberately spreading misinformation because of it.
>>54639091
Typical mentality expected of a tech illiterate retard who wouldn't be able to tell the difference between write back and write through if his life depended on it.
>>54639055
13ns latency to the other L3 cache segment is a hell of alot better than 60ns to main memory.
>>54626794
