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>>54576561
cool, I dont give a fuck
>>54576561
The most technologically demanding game I have left to play in by back-log is The Witcher 3...
'''''''''''''''''''''founders edition'''''''''''''''''''
>tfw ready to pounce on cheap used 980ti's
>>54576561
>graph starts at 0.5
>>54576619
Hadn't even noticed it
>>54576636
I can't even remember the last time I saw an nVidia graph that has a y-axis starting at zero.
>>54576619
>no units
>>54576646
Here's one, but here they start the x axis at 1300, top kek
>>54576666
Performance is unitless
FPS/FPS
>>54576561
>>54576675
reminds me of this
that's cool but the consoles our games are being made for still only run at 720p with 30fps on an APU
which is why my 3 year old r9 290 still runs everything I play at like 100fps
>>54576720
>which is why my 3 year old r9 290 still runs everything I play at like 100fps
Then you only play old shit or at low settings
>>54576566
then fuck off, what are you even here for?
>>54576619
holy fuck, how is this even legal. I havent noticed it either, and looking at the bars it looks like 200%+ improvement.
>>54576720
>r9 290 still runs everything I play at like 100fps
>everything I play at like 100fps
>everything
kill yourself
>>54576750
shitposting in a shill thread?
>>54576737
I generally keep everything maxed except depth of field and tessellation, and use 2x or 4x MSAA/FXAA/whatever.
Drop those first 2 things and suddenly games don't really have heavy requirements for an overclocked r9 290.
>>54576561
I fixed your slide for you.
>>54576619
still 60% over 980 ofcourse both at stock speed
pretty much what is expected
people who can't read graphs deserve to choke on shit
>>54576804
It's actually more like 25% in most cases for general gaming.
nVidia cherry picked the benchmarks, but their VR stuff is interesting.
>>54576776
There's a reason this image exists.
>>54576852
wow I was thinking of buying used 290x, but even though I hate nvidia, I think I'll have to go with them
>>54576675
Making that graph start at 0 would be absolutely retarded. How stupid are you?
Here's what it would look like.
>>54576852
haha oh wow
What benchmarking site is this so I can avoid it in the future?
>>54576921
The 84-85 graph is satire, but nVidia is pulling this shit all the time with their performance graphs.
>>54576921
PCGamesHardware
>>54576921
It's from /g/.
Not from an actual review.
>>54576561
>1080/1070 benchmark and price
>titanx, 980ti, 980 users are shooting at each other because their cards seems to lost its value
man, this is fun
>>54576954
Are you implying AMD doesn't do it?
>>54577013
>relative performance
try again idiot
>>54577028
What are you even trying to say?
>>54577028
>it okay when AMD does it
>>54577038
>>54577043
0.1 relative performance can means anything from 10 fps to 100 fps.
>>54577013
>0.8
TOPPEST LELKEK, AMDPOORFAGS
>>54577096
Ok? How is that relevant?
The problem with the graph is that it starts at 0.8. If you're okay with that one, it must mean you're okay with the one in the OP as well.
Both companies are full of jews who want your money. Don't try to pretend otherwise.
I'm waiting for AMD announcement
>>54576561
Dawn of the final day for AMD
GTX 1080 is too pricey for me.
AMD Polaris is too weak.
There is only GTX 1070 as a real option.
>>54577741
Isn't 1070 going to be $400+?
Polaris 10 will probably match 1070 closely in performance while being <$300 for sure.
>>54576802
You're full of shit, no fucking way are you getting 100 fps at those settings with an r9 290 in lets say witcher 3
>>54577806
as far as leaks rumors etc go it will barely have fury x performance, polaris 10 seems to be this years HD68** series
>>54576822
>It's actually more like 25% in most cases for general gaming.
It's interesting that you say this while there aren't even benchmarks out
>>54576802
fuck off with this stupid bullshit
>>54576910
Wtf is on the Y axis, violating paths?
>>54577806
>for sure
Yeah, surely AMD has so much money that they will sell their products underpriced....NOT
>>54577806
>Polaris 10 will probably match 1070 closely in performance while being <$300 for sure.
>>54578062
Are you pretending to be retarded again?
>>54578283
You are a fucking retard, what makes you think polaris 10 will match the 1070 at 150 bucks less?
It's literally based on nothing but wishful thinking
>>54578062
>probably
>for sure
Tuck those nuts in your ass and say it man.
>>54578341
>It's literally based on nothing but wishful thinking
It's an AMD product alright
>>54577013
Most of AMD's slide still start at 0.
>>54577916
Wtf are "violating paths"?!!?!?!?
>inb4 I'll violate your path
>>54578408
>AMD fans need a chart to get that 256 is 128 doubled
lmao
>>54578408
>needing a graph to know 256 bit is twice as much as 128 bit
Uh oh.
>>54578341
390 matches 980ti in DX12 games and beats them in some. At $350-$400 less.
390 matches and beats 980 in some DX11 games and beats them easily in DX12 games at $150-$200 cheaper.
There's already a precedence. Are you a retarded nvidiot who's completely ignorant of competitor card performance?
>>54578422
>>54578426
Everything looks better with a graph.
>>54578453
>in DX12 games
You mean all three of them?
>>54578460
Goal shifting much?
>>54578455
they got the 970 graph wrong
>>54578460
more like 0 released
I have a two or three year old GeForce 760, is it worth it to upgrade to 1070?
>>54578062
Since you don't have the balls I'll say it for you.
Polaris 10 will be getting sold for $2-300 dollarydoos with the R9 490X going for $450.
The R9 490X will keep up with the 1070, and land somewhere between the 1070 and 1080 for an awkward price.
The R9 480 will be slightly slower than the 1070, but it will be easily $100-150 cheaper.
AMD will continue the trend of having horrendous driver issues and performance failures due to drivers that need unfucked, which will take 6-9 months to correct.
When it is corrected the R9 490X will then be able to slightly beat the 1080, but not by a significant margin, and not in nVidia optimized games that use the proprietary nVidia graphics sit and neglect the AMD shit.
Bottom line, this is going to be more of the same that will in the end come down to how much you're willing to spend and how long you're willing to wait for drivers to work
>>54578455
This is pathetic. Why would a budget card even need 8GB of VRAM anyways?
>>54578471
He's not goalshifting he's right.
DX12 is a huge stinking pile of shit anyway, Vulkan is where its at
Here have a game developed with the Vulkan Api
See how shit the 390 performes?
I'd rather have a card that performs much better in 99% of the games than one that matches it only in a few cherrypicked games
>>54578510
new techfag here.
This looks like an educated assumption based on historical data.
Based on your best guess, what do you think the best new "bang-for-buck" GPU will be?
>>54578510
>AMD will continue the trend of having horrendous driver issues and performance failures due to drivers that need unfucked, which will take 6-9 months to correct.
This guy knows whats up, I'd rather pay a little extra and not have to deal with driver bullshit.
>>54578534
Well games will either end up being DX 12, or OpenGL.
Preferably they'll go OpenGL and stay open source so that there's no hardware fuckery.
>>54578554
>This is what people who never owned an AMD card actually believe
>>54578554
You see it after a lot of major game releases in the last couple of years, there's always going to be news reports of "AMD users reporting problems". Literally happening right now again with Doom. When I wanted to buy an adaptive sync monitor I bought into nvidia instead of AMD and I don't regret it one bit.
>>54578534
>r9 390 will match 980ti performance in the future
>amdrones actualy believe this
>>54578594
>b-but muh DX12 that will be relevant in 2020
>>54578586
Not him, but I had a 4970 back in the day and there were a fuckton of driver issues.
I heard they sorted them out in the last couple of years, but I don't think I'll be going back.
>>54578534
>Doom
>running opengl 4.3 on AMD cards
>running opengl 4.5 for nvidia cards
>vulkan/dx12 version not even released yet
>>54578534
>Doom
>Vulkan
Doom currently only supports OpenGL. Vulkan patch will come later.
Go spread your misinformation somewhere lese
>>54578586
Which is where you are wrong.
Let me describe my experience with the r9 390
>stick in my motherboard, boot up
>artifacts on screen before motherboard bootscreen
>okay.jpg
>boot up witcher 3
>it runs smooth but every few minutes theres a huge lag spike, have to look up shit on the internet, find out I have to force certain settings off for it to properly run the game
>okay.jpg
>boot up arkham city
>it literally runs worse than it did on my old gtx 670
>fuck this shit, kick that motherfucker out of the door and got a 780ti instead , everything smooth as fuck, no problems whatsoever.
AMD's DX11 drivers fucking suck, anyone denying that is delusional, why do you think Nvidia can beat AMD with on paper weaker cards? Because they optimized the shit out of DX11.
/g/ can eat shit with their memes I'm never listning to their bullshit again, AMD cards are cheaper and for a good reason
>>54576750
Gamerware isn't technology
>>54578534
>380x faster than 290/390
i think i need new GCN card.
>>54578632
>>54578614
Oh really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peExSnNa-QQ
>>54578554
>>54578510
You two faggots don't realize drivers are sqaurely at the feet of game developers when it comes to dx12.
>>54578692
And you realize that dx12 adoption is extremely slow, games that have it almost always have a DX11 function too and that Vulkan will probably be the dominant choice over DX12 because its much easier to use cross platform?
>>54578655
>have 290
>run any games just fine
hmm
>>54578707
>60 degrees idle
>>54578707
>it works for me so nobody can have problems with it
So I guess nVidia never fucked up their drivers too since I never had problems with my meme card?
>>54578717
i was playing game
>>54578682
The video proves you wrong. 30 seconds in.
Fucking idiot.
>>54578682
>not released
Thats the point. Vulkan is still work in progress.
>>54578737
>>54578738
The point is, pascal cards apparently run games on vulkan extremely well, so dx12 doesn't matter
>>54578408
Not like it's difficult to find nvidia slides that start at 0.
If you want to make a claim that most of AMD's slides start at 0, while nvidia's do not, I hope you have more than a few slides to prove that. A claim like that is actually fairly difficult to back up, as you'd need to provide several non-cherrypicked examples.
>>54578705
Same thing with vulkan with drivers. Whatever portion of dx11 they'd use would be just fine consider how much faster async compute is (esp compared to nvidias software-based preemptive compute). Regardless, if you want to play AAA titles (why else would you get a 1070/1080/polaris) you're going to mostly use dx12 code. Adoption isn't slow it's just that dx12 coding requires a good deal of expertise given how everything must be optimized from the developers' end not the manufacturer.
Fact of the matter remains polaris won't have "driver issues" for games that matter to the consumer specifically buying these cards for AAA games. Besides, the latest round of driver releases had nvidia fucking up twice not amd.
>>54578749
>DX12 doesn't matter because the only OpenGL engine on the market uses Vulkan
>Meanwhile everything other game is DirectX
>>54578775
>Fact of the matter remains polaris won't have "driver issues" for games that matter to the consumer specifically buying these cards for AAA games.
That's not fact thats baseless conjecture
>>54578756
This just shows how inconsistent the 900 series is with regards to power draw. The power spikes are insane.
>>54578749
>dx12 doesn't matter
>>54578784
No it's not.
>>54578785
Yeah at least with AMD cards from the 300~ series you know they will consistently use a shitload of power
>>54578796
We will see in the benchmarks
>>54578785
That's not what this chart says, at all. You'd seriously have to misinterpret like three things on this chart to come to that conclusion.
>>54576802
I have a fucking radeon 290, the new doom shits on the card at 4k.
>>54577114
>TOPPEST LELKEK
This fucking faggot nvidiot is always in these threads. Can you start tripfagging so I can filter you? Thanks.
>>54578494
LMAO!
>>54578827
No shit its using OGL 4.3 to make Nvidishit look good
hilarious considering id used to favor amd/ati back in the day
>>54577114
>just want to enjoy gpus in general
>love competition
>have been seeing this kid in gpu threads for months
>>54578455
>970
>*4GB
inb4 b-b-but it actually IS 4 GB usable GDDR5!
>>54578861
Yeah how dare they, they should use DX12 to make amd look good
help I have a 750Ti
what should I buy /g/senpai's
>>54578062
Leaked benchmark show 2304 shader @ 800MHz Polaris 10 performing like a 290x.
Considering clock rates of the final version will probably be be at least 1.1 or 1.2Ghz that will be comfortably in 980ti/Titan X performance territory.
This is also consistent with recent rumors of the 2048 shader mobile variant being in 390x performance territory and 1280 shader Polaris 11 being close to 380x performance
>>54578884
a 10 series card in your affordable price range most likely.
>rushing to buy a broken/gimped Nvidia card
how about be smart and wait till all the inevitable problems start to arise from rushing it out the door when its not ready.
>not waiting for GTX 1080ti or HBM2
>>54578861
Point I'm making is the card doesn't run what you need at 100fps if you want 4k, the card fucking dies in the ass, just like everything this gen.
I'm waiting for 144fps 4k shit already, all this basic shit is horrendous, 1080p is garbage now since we have 4k ready to go.
I'm going to have to settle for 1440p 144hz, which is horse shit because this will still be the standard for the next 2-4 years, I'll be an old man by the time we get anything worth half a shit, and that sucks assholes.
Running xfire 290's was great though, 60 FPS 4k GTA 5, turned down a few shaders but it ran.
I now water cooled my 290 and fucked it because it has some heating issues causing it to throttle, I'm just messing with it since the cards worth fuck all now.
>>54578896
okay thanks, you answered my question efficiently, I really appreciate that
>>54578929
>I'm waiting for 144fps 4k shit already, all this basic shit is horrendous, 1080p is garbage now since we have 4k ready to go.
enjoy your unreadable text on smaller screens under 30"
Personally im waiting for 4k 240hz
GPU's wont catch up to 4k and 8 for another 10 years so im perfectly happy with my little 1920x1200x60hz screen until they do
Unless you want to buy Two Top of the line $1000usd+ gpu's every year to keep
>>54578877
No they should use Vulkan like the promised but their been jews and holding it back for the 1080 launch
>>54578891
>Leaked benchmark show 2304 shader @ 800MHz Polaris 10 performing like a 290x.
What leaked benchmarks
>>54578884
Wait for a 1080 water cooler MSI, they've broken 2.5 ghz, it's what I'm waiting for, mostly because MSI works well for me, fuck asus and gigakike.
And it's enclosed so there's literally fuck all you have to do, and you're separating the heat in your case too.
The issue I've got with water cooling is that if your card isn't on a riser or away from the CPU you can add extra heat to the CPU that could be avoided if companies didn't suck dick at building motherboards.
>>54578963
>No they should use Vulkan like the promised but their been jews and holding it back for the 1080 launch
Well we already have a demonstration on how the 1080 performs with vulkan on youtube, doesn't exactly make Nvidia look worse now does it?
I'm a long time poorfag AMD fanboy looking to jump ship to Nvidia. Is there going to be anything like a 1060 or 1050 coming out any time soon?
>>54578948
The frame counting autism in these threads is a good laugh sometimes, but for average people it means very little.
I don't know when mid-range 10 series cards will be out, but seeing as you have a 7 series which isn't ancient its probably worth the wait for you.
>>54578966
http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_device.php?q=c9a598ae99dd9ba1e2d6f097aa87b690e2dfefc9a09dac8ae2dfeaccb489b89efb9ea393b5c6fbcb&l=en
>>54578963
I have a 27" 4k, the text is fine in windows with DPI scaling, the only time I notice "tiny text" is when I switch my 1080p monitor on first, my 4k that's got a dodgy connector is asus, I'm going to get it fixed under warranty and sell it off, for the pure fact I fucking hate asus.
>>54578979
No, your best bet is to get the 1070 when christmas hits and it gets discounted by like %20 or something. Both AMD and Nvidia always release their weakest budget cards first, so the 1070 is the weakest of this lineup.
>>54578861
Wait. Nvidia paid off id to make the game run on an older OpenGL version on AMD cards to make their own cards look better?
Who would have thought that Nvidia would need to resort to such underhanded measures. The scoundrels!
>>54578994
>http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_device.php?q=c9a598ae99dd9ba1e2d6f097aa87b690e2dfefc9a09dac8ae2dfeaccb489b89efb9ea393b5c6fbcb&l=en
Seems like you got some solid evidence there buddy
>>54578963
>GPU's wont catch up to 4k and 8 for another 10 years so im perfectly happy with my little 1920x1200x60hz screen until they do
Also, 2 1080 SLI would run 4k 60fps fine, if my 290 xfire did, it might even do 144hz@4k.
>>54578797
Power under load is pretty much the same between AMD and nvidia, while the latter has spikes which may be problematic for your PSU/wattage considerations.
>>54578984
yeah I don't mind waiting for a few months. Probably just going to be playing Overwatch for awhile anyway.
>>54578969
my mobo is an asus Z170-A, and as of right now, I have temps that rarely go over 25C, save for my CPU occasionally going to 30C.
I like the sound of convenience though.
>>54579004
What about getting a used 9xx series card then? I only need 1080p60 since that's what my monitor does. If anything I'd rather have a card that runs cool and quietly instead of a monster that will burn itself out after a while.
how many hours to go till embargo ends?
>>54578963
>GPU's wont catch up to 4k and 8 for another 10 years so im perfectly happy with my little 1920x1200x60hz screen until they do
Dude, what? 2 980 ti's in sli can run 4k at 60 fps just fine. Of course it'll drop a bit when you're playing something like the witcher 3 or gta v at maxed out settings with anti aliasing, but it still runs just fine. 1080 is supposed to be more powerful than 2 980's, so it's going to probably be able to run 4k smoothly compared to the 980 ti. So far though, there isn't a single card setup that can handle 4k that well, for people looking to play 4k then sli or crossfire is the only option.
>>54578975
Where's AMD's demo?
Why is it only on Nvidia GTX 1080?
Why wasnt it shipped with the finished game as promised?
This is CLASSIC Nvidia bullshit
i smelt it a mile away
Belive me ive owned about 1/2 and 1/2 amd and nvidia over the years and AMD always have the better tech, they just dont use it to their full potential whereas nvidia has been selling the same gimped shit since fermi.
Their last good card in my eyes was the GTX 285 and 88GT
>>54578998
Yeah i was tossing up between cheaper brands but i am really hesitent to touch anything besides dell and samsung both of which ive used for years and have like 10yearold+ screens that still work
current one is over 8 years old samsung t260r
>>54579005
Basically everyone ditched OGL when vulkan came out, but considering this doom is from what 2011 its come out at a weird time just before vulkan hit mainstream
That said Vulkan will run better on AMD cards unless its pre GCN
Same for Nvidia really only the 1080 and 1070 will run it right, vulkan runs like ass on 600-900 series cards hence why DX12 benchmarks are so bad
>>54579023
tempted to go 2x 390 xfire for full house fire effects
ill just wait until 4K is mature and we have enough vram to run it without hitting our head on current vram caps which atm is 8gb with amd and 12gb with nvidia titan
Wont really see a benifit of going 4K with truely large 4k+ textures made for 4k resolution until next year or so when we get the 16 32 and 64gb cards (eventually)
I wonder when we will bottleneck PCIe3? im guessing next year when v4 comes out
What a time to be alive
4k VR soon before 202x going to very exciting times indeed
according to JD Power (global marketing research company)
>above $350 price range accounts for only approx 15% of all video card sales
>from $350 - $450 accounts for 80% of that 15%
>everything above $450 is only a small fraction of that
only fools spend a lot of money on video cards, everyone that tries to justify their purchase claim they are rich... i guess everybody on /g/ /v/ and le reddit are rich
It's over. Nvidia lost. AMD has them right where they want them, catering to the ~2% of PC enthusiasts that will buy their new high end TWIMTBP gaymur cards. Meanwhile, AMD has locked up the console market for the forseeable future because they have APU technology and are poised to take even more mobile business from Nvidia thanks to said APUs.
AMD actually has the tech advantage for the first time in a long time. Nvidia has 1.8 GHz DX11 optimized housefires that are only in a similar power envelope to Maxwell thanks to the die shrink.
>>54579054
>If anything I'd rather have a card that runs cool and quietly instead of a monster that will burn itself out after a while.
Then avoid the 9xx series as much as possible, or anything that isn't FinFET. All of the older cards running on a planar node process are terrible, inefficient housefires. If you're so incredibly hard pressed in terms of budget that a $400 1070 is too expensive, then you could always go buy polaris instead. AMD promised that they'll price their new polaris cards around $200 to $300, which is a killer price for these new cards considering they'll outperform the old 300 series (which does great at 1080p and 1440p by the way).
>>54579076
I meant the average single gpus
For now the 1080 MIGHT do it but its only got 8gb of GDDR5X with a megatiny buspeed 256bit
It wont be until the HMB2+ cards where we will see some true improvements
14nm will only get us so far when memory is still a massive bottleneck especially on Nvidia cards.
its why they always have weird sizes like
>7.5gb
to save money until memory tech catches up
That said a 16gb Vega Fury Pro card would be fucking amazeballs
it will probably be soon that the average gpu will have more ram than most motherboards
Why dont more apps use OpenCL and load programs into vram?
Who else here getting a 1070 or most reasonably priced 2016 GPU?
>>54579119
>Nvidia 1080 buslets BTFO
>>54579111
I think I'll stick with AMD then. I mainly wanted to jump to Nvidia for PhysX, Shadowplay, and better Linux support. Then again, a 1070 might be a good investment if I save up for it. Just as long as they don't pull the same crap they did with the 970 where the last 0.5GB of VRAM slow performance to a crawl.
>>54576566
I dont give a fuck that you dont give a fuck
holy shit, go be edgy somewhere else
>>54579174
>16
I don't give a fuck that you don't give a fuck that he doesn't give a fuck
>>54579157
Do it.
i went green for 2 years and regretted it so much ever since
>pay $500 for a fucking 770 4gb because its all i could get at the time
>1/2 as fast as my 290 which shat itseelf
>Sell it and get a 390 8gb
>???
Polaris is going to be about 1/2 the power usage for 390x/fury levels of performance but i think its going to be weaker than the 1080 and thats fine because VEGA will crush it
AMD
M
D
>>54576561
So are they trying to say the gtx 980 has no processor or architecture performance or what
>amd
This game has sold me a 1070
>>54578512
>more is worse
nvidia shills on suicide watch
>>54578505
Entirely depends on what resolution you got and what settings you wanna use.
I got the same gpu and I'll sit it out until Volta personally and buy myself a 120hz 4K screen when the time comes.
>>54578512
Exactly. It can't even use its full 8gb vram. They're literally selling you a rebranded 290 for over $100 more with extra ram and negligible performance
See >>54579207
>>54579207
>OpenGL on AMD cards in 2016
rofl might as well just run the benchmarks for AMD with a pentium 4 or something
>>54579049
Yeah but I'm a technical asshole that focuses on maximizing, and commenting on unimportant shit that means nothing, but that's what I like.
Getting a 1080 closed water cooled would be the best way though, plus water cooling is neat, it's a different feel to just fans.
>>54579083
>Yeah i was tossing up between cheaper brands but i am really hesitent to touch anything besides dell and samsung both of which ive used for years and have like 10yearold+ screens that still work
>current one is over 8 years old samsung t260r
Here's my experience with brands:
Seagate - Drives can be good or plain shitty, a lot do fucking shit the bed, I was at work and a drive fall off a 1 foot drop but had some shit fall on it, my boss was like "well they can handle that" it had a small dint and we check the drive for errors, and yep it's fucked.
WD - Most WD shit i get is always fucked.
OCZ - This brand from the SSDS I've brought actually work well, though they're OCZ.
ASUS - I have a rampage extreme iv that I have to start with a hair dryer, I paid $500 for this mobo and it's complete dog shit, tons of people have the same issue, I have a 4k mon and the back connectors gone to shit.
Gigakike - Generally at work we get quite a few 1155/1156's return, I've owned a few that the network shits the bed on, so I don't like them.
Antec - Never had an issue with the PSU's I've brought, even after YEARS of use.
Zalman - This one I'm using I have smashed the guts out of with bitcoin mining, and it hasn't had 1 hiccup.
Samsung - I've had monitors fall off desks that are fine, 0 SSD returns at work, this is a solid brand.
MSI - I sell MSI laptops and everything at work, they use to be GARBAGE, but they must of gone "OH SHIT NIGA WHAT WE DOIN'" and then reestablish their quality because I never have MSI shit return, other than 5 year old laptops that the battery has died.
>>54579207
>OpenGL
>current year
>sold you on nvidia 10xx meme cards
LOL thanks nvidia marketing for taking another dumbshit out of the amdgenepool
Just wait till vulkan drops and more DX12 games come out and the older nvidia cards fermi-maxwell will be fucking USELESS whereas 5 year old GCN cards will still work perfectly
graphs
>>54579207
>opengl
huehuehuehue
>>54579108
They lost nintendo to nvidia, so there goes a majority of soccer mums.
>>54579083
>tempted to go 2x 390 xfire for full house fire effects
Wait for 8k, then 4k will be the norm, so like 3-5+ years or something I guess.
>>54578655
Why can't AMD get some decent software guys? Can you not just hire Pajeets nowadays for a dime a dozen?
>>54579264
>v-vulkan will change the gaming landscape as we know it!
>AMD will come out on top guys!! for real this time!!
>>54579251
>>54579264
>b-b-but.....
So you admit amd is bad. Ok. Thanks.
I'll get the 1070 then.
>>54579257
>Here's my experience with brands
Nobody gives a shit about your anecdotal experience.
>>54579279
i dont give a shit about 4k 8k monitors as AA solves most of the issues its motherfucking VR that needs it anyway
>8K VR Displayport 2.0 240hz
We will need like fucking gpu's almost 10x more powerful as we have now with 128gb of ram but bring it on motherfucker
I wanna switch from my 980 Ti SLI setup to a single card setup gaming at 4K. Do you think I should get a 1070 as a cheap card to tide me over until 1080 Ti or should I just keep one of my 980 Ti's?
>>54579257
>Yeah but I'm a technical asshole that focuses on maximizing, and commenting on unimportant shit that means nothing, but that's what I like.
You're fine man! I like the idea of having a water loop in my pc for aesthetics, but I also dont like to fuck with it after it's built, save for cleaning.
>>54579290
OpenGL is completely obsolete. Buying a brand new card based on its performance on a game that was being developed since before Vulkan existed is pretty stupid, but hey it's your money.
>>54579086
Because you sell your fucking expensive card for 75% of what it cost, you have a better gaming experience and then you just buy another expensive card, It's not hard to save or get a fucking job.
>>54578655
Fucking this.
AMD can cry foul as much as it likes, but nothing is stopping AMD from making drivers that work.
They have okay hardware, which is fine... but they have shit software.
>>54579290
>AMD is bad
>for fucking INVENTING low level API's on windows
>Mantle
>bad
>Vulkan
>bad
No the devs are just fucktarded and there isnt enough DX12 or Vulkan based games out there yet.
it was kinda pointless since nvidia has only just made DX12 capable cards even though AMD has had them since 2012 and mantle/vulkan/dx12 based api's since 2013
Nvidia is just playing catchup
the 1080 is a souped up card from the 600-900 series with MOAR RAM MORE EFFICENT COREZ and memory compression its reallly nothing 'new' in a sense just more fire and song from some of the best (worst) marketing ive seen this side of the decade.
But hay AMD will continue to make great hardware and we all win in the end.
>>54579303
>We will need like fucking gpu's almost 10x more powerful as we have now with 128gb of ram but bring it on motherfucker
NOW YOU'RE PLAYING WITH POWER, SUPER POWER!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjyr9aSVf6U
>>54579337
The new Linux drivers for AMD Radeons are quite fine.
I guess AMD just adapts the driver quality to the operating system quality. That's why the Windows drivers are terrible.
>>54579360
>mfw i thought it would take 10 years to get playable 30-60+ 4k
Yeah shits accelerating in the gpu realm fucking quick as all hell
a shame CPU's are holding everything back
8-16cores with HT and PCIe4 2017 cant come soon enough
>>54579365
>mfw hardware acceleration in webm and flash has been broken in amd apu's since crimsion
wtf where they thinking?
Seems to be fine for desktop and dedicated mobile gpus though weird
>>54579346
Vulkan was in development way before mantle you retard. Just because they gave some mantle code to kgroup it doesn't mean they invented it. If anyone has put more resources into vulkan it'd br nvidia. They've contributed way more to the production of vulkan than amd ever has with their donation of 5 lines of code.
>>54579321
It wouldn't be much different to clean, just have to watch the radiator if you take out the GPU, maybe unscrew a few radiator fans, but really it's not much.
You screw the radiator on, your GPU in, a fan on the radiator or 2 if you want push/pull, then you're sweet, enclosed you don't ever have to fuck with it.
>>54579291
It's the most common experience, because a lot of brands suck fucking horse cock.
>>54578655
You're lying, I'm lterally running on a 4 year old amd card right now and arkham knight runs just fine. You're either bullshitting hard or it was a problem with your hardware which you couldn't figure out.
>>54579404
Got any proof of any of that horseshit?
Its well known DX12 and Vulkan are based from Mantle and low level console API's like Sony and Microsofts gen 8 console api's
>>54579428
>mantle made console api's
Oh this is gold. Just goes to show amdrones will eat up that drivel thrown at them from adored tv.
Console api's have been 10x more efficient than mantle could ever be since fucking 2006.
>>54577013
You're an idiot. AMD actually did better than starting at 0 because they included minus integers with this.
Relative performance ALWAYS starts at 1 (or 100%, however you want to label it) as a baseline.
>>54579390
I was holding off getting a skylake but fuck it, I'll just wait another 5 years after I build this one.
I don't know why shit just doesn't use 2 CPUs or some shit, try to work that in, I'm sure people don't give 2 fucks what it looks like if it's pushing 10GHZ and affordable.
>>54576561
1 day until the gimpening
Guys I'm beginning to think game developers aren't very good.
>>54579456
i said they all contributed you fucking dunce
Why the fuck would they want x86 consoles to use 4+ fucking different API's?
currently there is only 3
DX based for the Xbox One/PC currentlyDX12
OpenGL based for the PC/Xboner and PS4 but its currently being phased out for Vulkan
Vulkan based on PC/Consoles Android and many others
>>54579428
https://www.toptal.com/api-developers/a-brief-overview-of-vulkan-api
Vulkan was in development well before mantle as the successor to openGL. AMD just decided to donate some Mantle code to the kgroup during vulkan development. It wasn't "based" on Mantle, it just shares features which were donated during development.
>>54579493
Of course their not
its why Crysis 1 and Crytek 3 still being pc's to their knees
we needed low level API's fucking 10years ago and ironically we had them back in the 3dfx days with glide.
Direct X has been a huge fucking mess until 12
OGL was useless linuxshit and depreciated
Vulkan and DX12+ are the only way forward
Some DX11 games run ok but they are a small minority
>>54579513
And?
We're on the same side dickhead
>>54579508
Are you a retard? The xbox will NEVER stop using DX since its Microsofts console and MS will always want to push devs to develop for DX.
PS4 doesn't even use OpenGL. Their in house API is way more efficient than OGL and has way more features. They built it themselves over at Sony.
Consoles will never use Vulkan. Vulkan was made to make PC's more efficient and consoles are already 10x more efficient than PC's and always will be due to their fixed configuration. No matter how much optimization you can do for a PC the consoles will always be more optimized. There are way more configurations of PC's than consoles which make optimizations that much harder.
>>54579540
>And?
You just got proved wrong, retard.
>>54579587
Thanks for spazzing out
>>54579086
I got a Fury X because I just don't care. I saved up for what I wanted and I wanted the best AMD offering going.
>>54579599
Thanks for being a retard and letting me school you with true facts and not adoredtv memes
>>54576561
>Comparing an $800 card to a $500 one
>not even the $650 one
FRAUD DETECTION WARNING
>>54579675
>800
Wow, it's like you guys just slap another 100$ on that every week
>>54579627
If you have at least a 2k monitor, you dun good, anon.
>>54579709
>what is tax + shipping
>>54579709
kinda how they slap an extra $10 on every videogame too.
>>54579733
Something that won't get you from 600 to 800$
>>54579030
>Power under load is pretty much the same between AMD and nvidia
No it isn't
>>54579709
it's the tax-man baby
>>54579083
>hurr nvidia's cards have been shit
This delusion is awesome, Nvidia has been dominating AMD the last few generations and you know it
>>54579769
699 to 800 though
>>54579769
>founders edition $700
>3rd party MSRP starting at $600
>what is profit margin, aftermarket cooler, factory OC, etc.
Sorry lad, you fell for Nvodya's, admittedly brilliant, marketing
>>54579049
>my temps never go above 30c
>>54579769
what do you mean? its $900.
plus tip.
>>54579813
>>54579812
>the 980 TI was announced with an 799$ MSRP and had several cards that retailed around that pricepoint
>the 1080 suddenly won't
Goddamn, you guys really are delusional, huh?
>>54579655
no prob i actually needed to brush up.
havent really done any research into this shit since 2013
>>54579799
>780ti got rekt by the 290x
>980 got rekt by the 390x
>980ti and titan got rekt by the fury and nano and fury x
DX12 and Vulkan will only make this funnier
All these assmad AMDrones bitching about Nvidia.
>muh dx 12
>but muh muh vega
>just w-wait another year AMD will be faster I promise!
It's the same old shit all over again, you morons said the same shit with Fiji, and it also got shat on by the 980ti
What does AMD have to offer against the 1070? Nothing since they admitted themselves they were aiming for 'mainstream vr' which translates to 970/390 performance at a low price point.
Keep waiting for that moment where AMD cards will actualy be faster while I'll be playing on the faster more efficient cards until that time.
>>54579854
You're supposed to compare it to a non-ti billy bob
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/7
>>54579854
this is what i don't get, msi, asus, evga, they all kept to nvidia's MSRP in the past, what makes this different? because huang took more dollars out of nvidia's rainy day fund?
>>54579813
>3rd party MSRP starting at $600
those won't actually be available at launch. Supply is limited so 3rd party manufacturers will put as many chips as possible in the more expensive models and only sell the cheaper models later.
>>54579854
>$800
>rumors were $650, if you had a decent memory
>conveniently $200 below Titan X
>conveniently $250 above 980
>What a deal!
>>54579858
>>780ti got rekt by the 290x
No it didn't
>980 got rekt by the 390x
No it didn't
>980ti and titan got rekt by the fury and nano and fury x
Kek, no they didn't
Oh wait you are talking about those 2 or 3 benchmarks where those cards performed ON PAR not even better than the cards you mentioned.
Yeah that seems like a fantastic sample to base your purchasing choices on, just ignore the 99.9% other games where Nvidia performs better
>>54579867
The Fury and 390 walk over everything below the 980ti
DX11 has always favored nvidia because they bribe everycunt with their hardware and force their shitworks game middleware on everyone dragging EVERYTHING down with it.
Remember PhysX?
>>54576561
W a i t u n t i l b e n c h m a r k s
>>54578655
Never experienced any problems with my 3 years old 7870. Sucks to be you, i guess.
>>54579895
>Not playing DX12 and Vulkan games
>Current Year + Coming years
who the fuck wants to prolong DX11 any longer than we have to? Its fucking 7 years old lets let it die
>>54578655
Werks on my machine®
>>54579896
>The Fury and 390 walk over everything below the 980ti
>walk over
Do you brainwashed idiots actualy believe the diarea that comes out of your own mouth?
>>54578749
Goal shifting. No one is saying pascal can't run vulkan or dx12.
>>54579876
>>54579894
Goddamn, if these are truly AMDfags in the year 2016 then AMD is truly lost.
It's not about the pricepoint, it's about whether the card will be available at the nVidia's MSRP. They've pretty much always been, so far, and now suddenly people claim it's a 800$ card and that it won't be available at its 600$ MSRP, although there is fuck all reason to believe that. But oh well, I'm just waiting to see what you'll be saying when Vega inevitably bombs.
>>54579867
The only game those cards did better was hitman i think. Nvidia does better in all the others now even far cry primal.
>inb4 quantum break and aots
Broken games and a benchmark test don't count. They're also so irreverent that no one plays them. Hitman is decent though.
>>54579934
Then why does it matter?
>>54579902
trust /g/ to get hyped up by this shit
i did my part and went out and bought a 390
Gonna get a polaris and vega card and upgrade to zen since my i5 4690 isnt cutting it anymore
>>54579930
>Running mantle games like BF4 in DX11 mode gimping AMD cards
I got 120fps+ on my 290 3 fucking years ago its probably even more now
>>54579930
Anon, don't you see that it clearly beats the 980 in one game, which means it has 100% comparable performance at a lower pricepoint? AMD AMD AMD
>>54579867
>What does AMD have to offer against the 1070? Nothing since they admitted themselves they were aiming for 'mainstream vr' which translates to 970/390 performance at a low price point.
Maybe, NEWSFLASH, AMD and Nvidia don't even compete with each other. Holy fuck, I can't believe people still believe that there is any actual competition going on between AMD and Nvidia. They handlevery different segments of the market, the only market where they coincide is the gamer GPU market, that's it. AMD doesn't care about Nvidia and vice versa, they do different things.
>>54579930
>$300
>$550
>that guy made a bad comparison, but AMD is effectively giving Nvidia the epeen at every price point below $600 senpai
>>54579946
>"those benchmarks don't count! Here have a cherrypicked benchmark to prove my point!"
Holy shit you people are so predictable
>>54579961
you mean
>350
>450
And the 980 is clearly faster, so eat shit
>>54579935
>AMDfags
Too bad I'm actually consider buying it, and the reality is some countries other than the United States of Americlaps have heavy tax on electronics. I'm just being realistic.
>>54579935
>it's not about price point
WEW
>>54579946
>like BF4
Like it's not the only fucking Mantle game on that list.
Wow, then the 390 would be faster in TWO games, amazing.
![perfrel_3840_2160[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/uqLqpwU.png "perfrel_3840_2160[1].png")
>>54579930
>anandkek
>>54579996
>gaming at 4k with a 290x
Have fun with that
>>54579980
U wot m8?
1 day left for what?
>>54579996
>playing at 4k with anything less than a 980 ti
I knew ame fanboys were stupid but I didn't think they were this stupid.
>>54579982
This discussion in particular wasn't, ya dingus. It was about how idiots refer to a 600$ MSRP card as a 800$ card, when there's no realistic reason to do that. But keep buying AMD, and keep crying about how every game that runs like shit on your card only runs that way because of evil nVidia black magic
>>54580008
Benchmarks of the 1080 and a shitstorm of assblasted AMDrones
>>54579965
Of course Nvidia rule at DX11 they literally bet their all on it and Vulkan and to a lesser extent DX12+ on their 'new' 1080
AMD sucks on DX11 because of their CPU overhead that is well known but on DX12 Vulkan and Mantle titles they catch right up
going to be hilarious seeing the asshurt in coming years when the 900 series owners get gimped DX12 and Vulkan support (i know i already have because i owned a 770)
Nvidia neglects the shit out of their older cards whereas amd/ati have always looked after them.
You can still get driver updates for a 7970 from 4 fucking years ago
>>54579993
So? Before Mantle there was literally nothing of its kind of PC since fucking 3DFX in the late 90's with Glide
What do you think Vulkan and DX12 where created in a vacuum?
>>54579936
Meant for
>>54579858
>>54580006
Fair enough, 150 bucks for a 20-25% difference is still better than your implication that they matched each other
>>54580006
>4gb
>Current year
2012 says hello
>>54580008
For a giant flop. Nvidiots will defend barely improved performance at 700$ price.
>B-but its faster in VR!
>>54580029
>Of course Nvidia rule at DX11
Yeah of course they do since AMD were simply incompetent in optimizing for it
>>54579493
Software development in general, it's full of incompetence tuned to 11.
>>54580008
For the annual shitposting by AMDont and Novidya fanboys
>>54580052
>barely improved performance
Why are you bringing polaris 10 into this?
>>54580008
The inevitable story of nvidia btfo'ing amd once again.
>>54580029
You just don't get it, do you? All you fancy ass technology's don't matter if they don't translate to real world performance. That one guy said a 390 outperforms a 980 and that's, judging by most available benchmarks right now, just wrong. But please, keep telling me how your cards are faster, I'll be over here actually having the fps to show for it
>>54579996
>Fury X is the fastest card
kek at premium nvidia performance.
>>54580041
>20-25% difference
MY ONLY RAGRET IS THAT I CAN'T POST A PEPE ALONG WITH THIS.
>>54580094
>"Here is one benchmark to prove my point!"
Idiot
>>54579930
>>54580092
At 4k yes, do you game at 4k?
>>54580109
>i-its just one game!
>o-one game doesnt count!
The denial.
>>54580127
It's a rather small sample wouldn't you agree?
>>54580029
Dx12 won't be a standard for atleast another 2 years. You don't just make games on dx12. Game engines have to be rubuilt from the ground up to take advantage of dx12 fully or you get abortion ports like QB or GoW:U which are dx11 with bolted on dx12 features and they inevitably run like fucking ass on all hardware. Nvidia will dominate for the next 2 years with dx11 and then they'll bring out their next line up in 2018 which will be fully dx12_2 (?) Compatible and will dominate further. I honestly can't see amd winning any time soon.
>>54580040
How is Quantum Break and AoTS broken?
Just because the dont favor Nvidia cards means their broken? Nvidia got so asshurt by AoTS they demanded the aots devs nerf their game but they told nvidia to fuck themselves.
So nvidia then disabled 'optimized' effects in their drivers so it would run better
They are the greasy used car salesman of the gpu world where their only decent product the Titan/Ti and Quadro are the only cards worth owning
The 1080 will be outdated in 6 months by the Ti and 1180 and so on and so forth
Who gives a shit if AMD lags 10% behind on performance in oldass DX11 games nobody will give a shit about in a year or two
DX12 and Vulkan is where its at
Nvidiots lose out in the long run they always do and i always get rid of my nvidia cards quicker than my AMD builds for this very reason
ive had AMD cards go for 5-10 years without having to touch them besides updating drivers
Nvidia cards shit themselves either through hardware or driver bricking updates or some other gimped horseshittery
the longest ive ever had one of their cards was almost 2 years on this 770 and it fucking sucks for playing anything now
>>54580055
>AMD dont optimize for almost 8 year old fucking api from the late 2000's
boo hooo
>>54580080
Nvidia are the ones who need $500 and 3 fucking years of fucking 3billion+ worth of RandD to get a decent card.
Its like nobody remembers fermi/kepler at all
>>54580123
>Buying Fury X for 1080p
>>54580145
>what is 1440p
>>54580123
>paying $600 for a GPU for anything but 4k
>>54579711
I do, and that's exactly why I did it.
I bought a 2560x1440@144hz Freesync monitor before the Fury X was fully announced (it was being teased at the time) because I needed to get off of the 37" 1080p TV I was using and while my 7950 could push 2k pretty damn well if I lowered settings, I really wanted to go back to high/ultra settings.
So yeah, I didn't buy into the whole 4k craze because I knew there was no chance, but I did spend that little bit extra making sure that the 2k monitor I got would be something that could go for a couple of years and still not be irrelevant.
>>54580094
>390 romps over every single nvidia card and costs 1/2 as much
>295x beats them all
Got a chart with the Fury and Duo Pro while your at it?
>>54580109
>meanwhile, he still forgets the very similarly priced Fury exists, with < 1% difference at 1080p, and a significant advantage at 2k and above
