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How important is the CPU these days, especially when it comes to games? I'm still using the Phenom X4 965BE running at 4GHz that I bought way back in 2011, but now I'm seeing even cheap i5s bench way higher than it.
Worth replacing? Running with a 680ti video card right now.
>>54552714
what do you do or intend on doing with it your setup?
>>54552714
>How important is the CPU these days, especially when it comes to games?
This entirely depends on what games you're playing.
>Worth replacing?
Yes, but again, this would depend on what games you're playing.
I too have this phenom
>>54552714
It will bottleneck newer GPUs.
Yes, I'm not intel shill but there's no good AMD cpu on the market at this point. AMD became completely irrelevant back in 2013. I just hope they can regain their footing with this new upcoming release.
Buy the i5 if you can't wait, there's no downside compared to your current CPU. It's faster, uses less power and emits less heat.
Just do it
Anything below a 4690K will bottleneck card stronger than a GTX970, ram speed matters too.
>>54553057
>It will bottleneck
*proprietary video games
>>54553139
>Anything below a 4690K will bottleneck
*proprietary video games
>>54553107
>there's no good AMD cpu on the market at this point
*for proprietary video games
pretty much just need an i5 4460 or something else to OC if ya need. that is all
>all newer Intel CPUs have Intel ME
>proprietary blobs that can access ethernet even when system is powered off
>>54553274
shut up one word VIDYA
most games it doesn't matter, others like fallout 4 (due to using the same hacked to bits gamebryo engine of morrowind) run like crap.
>>54553224
You're literally autistic
I have the same CPU+GPU combo, and it usually gets the job done for the most part. I suspect within the next 2 years I'll be forced to upgrade. I'm waiting for the next CPU line from Intel and AMD before I decide, and I'm waiting for the 1080/1070 to cause 2nd prices to drop on last-gen GPUs as well.
Recently, Witcher 3 and Dark Souls 3 have been borderline unplayable for me with how poor the performance is - even on lower resolution and minimum settings. While other games like GTAV, MGSV, and BF4 all perform very well.
>>54552714
i had a phenom x6 1100t
i noticed a significant improvement in Vidya and actual work like compiling and editing when i bought the 4790k
>>54552714
>especially when it comes to games?
Alot of games since 2007 use more than 4 threads/cores so yeah your CPU is fucking useless
i used a good old 965be back in 2010-2014 and it was a SLOW underpowered pos when it came out.
Go get a 8320 and OC it
>>54553037
man a good camel is expensive af like $300k+ easily if it's from a good breeder
>playing games
wew I remember when I was 12 too
Would an overclocked i7-2700k at 4.7 GHz bottleneck a 1080? It has 8 threads so
phenom ii, bulldozer, piledriver and steamroller are all atrociously bad. even sandy bridge-era i3 or low end i5 would be a major improvement.
Fuck off Intel shills
>>54557419
>>54557419
russian sources don't count, return crimea faggot
>>54557427
>>54557419
Oh wow 1 out of 10000~ games runs better on AMD.
What a Win.
>>54553107
The Zen cores will be really good though
>>54557419
dayum little i5 4690 still going off the CHAIN
>>54557669
Octa-core Zen would be orgasmic for Zbrush, do we have any expected price range though? I hear AMD doesn't want to be the cheap option so I'm guessing ~an i5
>>54552714
a lot of less demanding games like CSGO and LoL maybe Dota are more CPU reliant for some stupid reason. Probably because a lot of people play them from laptops with integrated graphics.
More demanding games need a good CPU only if they are sandbox and shit cause there's a lot to process. I would say CPU is pretty important but you should always spend more on GPU.
>>54554445
GNU/Autistic
>>54557419
>>54557427
from what website are these charts, they look nice compared to other websites i usually go for benchmark results
>>54557753
Probably around 400 - 800$
>>54557827
Counting with Zen+ that is
They aren't really as important as GPUs most of the time. There is a minimum and then they start hitting diminishing returns and you're better off spending the saved money on a better GPU.
Resolution is the biggest factor in how much a cpu holds back a gpu - the higher you go the less cpu matters because your gpu becomes the limiting factor.
>>54552761
>especially when it comes to games?
>>54557827
no way man i7-6700k started at $350 on release
>>54552714
>tfw still using the Phenom X4 955 BE
>>54557890
Zen being at 400$ seems normal to me, Zen+ is an upgraded version and will probably be their best CPU, and both amd and Intel have processors that costs beyond 1000$
800$ is maybe a bit exaggerated, 400-600$ is probably closer
>>54553224
>USING ANYTHING AFTER SANDY BRIDGE
KEK
>>54557305
Why would you come to the gpu and gaming hardware board if you didnt play games?
>>54557927
I might have to crank my budget up then, shit
>>54557927
>mfw tech stagnated
>Moores law has been dead for almost a decade
:(
>>54552714
Anything 8 core with haswell IPC+ is more than worthwhile. AKA broadwell-e and maybe zen with fingers crossed.
>>54552714
think about it, the 5-10% fps increase from spending $200 on a new cpu, then another 100-200 on a new motherboard... idk about you, but i find it impossible to justify $300 minimum on something that will barely even increase gameplay performance
>>54558057
The sad fact is /g/ is full of /v/ spillover these days. The few anons that do post reasonable advice or try to educate others simply get shouted down with marketing buzzwords or shitposting.
A classic one that shows how ignorant /g/ is these days is single vs dual channel ram.
>>54555011
tl;dr unoptimized shitware nobody but bandwagon hoppers play
>>54558149
I absolutely loathe these faggots
>"Look how better than you I am! I play Indiecuck MarioClone from 2002 because it's sooooo well optimized!!! Fuck every Mass Effect and Spec Ops: The Line because I can't afford new hardware and you're a shill and a consumerist is you want to play actually fun, engaging and Oscar-teir narrative games".
What has /g/ become... Why do y'all hate vidya so much?
>>54558101
I """"upgraded""" to a 6700 from 4790K.... Fuck me, right. $300 down the shitter
>>54558200
Most of these chumps have no idea how their hardware works and thus declare games unoptimised because they run like shit...when they have 8xmsaa or ssaa enabled and nowhere near the graphical horsepower to drive such settings.
/g/ in general believes cranking ever slider as far to the right as possible is the best way to get graphical fidelity when some settings (most notably msaa to be fair) have virtually no difference from low to ultra but have an enormous performance hit. FO4's godrays are a great example of that.
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>>54553224
saged
>>54558256
that's not how sage works
>>54557927
is Zen meant to compete compete with Haswell-e/Broadwell-e?
>>54552714
It entirely depends on the game. I was using a Phenom II X6 1090T overclocked to 3.9GHz until a few days ago (when I upgraded to a 6700K), paired with a GTX 780. There were certainly games where it was a noticable bottleneck, and those were the games which relied heavily on a single thread. Dark Souls III was the most recent, with certain areas of the game dropping heavily down to the mid-40s (although other areas were a solid 60). Others that struggled included WoW, the original Witcher, Just Cause 3 and Lightning Returns.
Any game that used all six cores to a decent degree wasn't bottlenecked at all though. Things like Dragon Age: Inquisition, Metal Gear Solid V and Mad Max all ran perfectly. Then there are those that ran perfectly fine in most areas, but had a select few where the 1090T couldn't keep up, such as Fallout 4 and Rise of the Tomb Raider. Ultimately, there's no easy answer to the question of whether you'll be bottlenecked by an old CPU. It not only depends on the game, but the area you're in within a game much of the time.
>>54557419
>>54557427
>An version of a cpu that's overclocked to hell and back barely able to keep up
I know AMD is cheaper, but I would rather buy something functional than cheap anyday
>>54558387
Zen 8 core should slot between 6 core haswell-e and 8 core broadwell-e at a better price.
>>54558226
Shit, in 2010 when Quake Live came out, still played it on Geforce4 Ti 4200 (64mb vram) 1280x1024 on my custom settings, at 125+ fps
Sure the game did look like a soggy bag of shit, but it was playable and i enjoyed the fuck out of it. Just had to use the console because the options menu is ass in EVERY game.
>>54558326
hello newfriend
>>54558471
sage doesn't work when you attach an image
>>54558209
Going from a K to an non K processor one generation in front, are you mentally challenged anon?
>>54558405
Just about every vishera chip hits 4.5ghz+ these days. The real gem of the fx series is the 8320e - the lower voltage really eases the stress on motherboards when trying to get high clocks.
>>54555028
>Alot of games since 2007 use more than 4 threads/cores so yeah your CPU is fucking useless
nope
>>54557767
because there is no real ai to process, nothing going on on the maps, and shit like that, which begs the question why do bf3 and 4 take so much god damn cpu power in multiplayer when single player isn't even half as demanding?
>>54557894
same here, no oc either due to cooler and no backplate access.
>>54552714
there are damn near no games that are bottlenecked by amd cpus so long as you have 4 cores (no the 4XXX cpus are dual core, the 6XXX ones are tri and 8XXX ones are 4 core no matter what the box says)
now, if you want to go 120fps, then your cpu bottlenecks it more often then not, so long as your gpu can push that many frames at whatever setting you have.
honestly for me, and i'm on a 955 black, if i had a decent cooler i may not care about upgrading as much as i do, but i fear my thermal paste is fucked and dried onto the heatsink and don't want to buy a new pc when zen is so close so i don't want to risk damaging the computer.
in applications other then games, i feel the hurt, fucking encoding videos takes for goddamn ever because opencl doesn't work.
>>54558823
> which begs the question why do bf3 and 4 take so much god damn cpu power in multiplayer when single player isn't even half as demanding?
Probably talking to the server.
>there are damn near no games that are bottlenecked by amd cpus
Shame ARMA is one of those few.
>>54558823
>There is no real AI Process
There's a ton of shit you're not thinking of that's going on. And even if there was AI process it's not that Compute intensive.
>>54558586
>TFW my FX6300 wont go over 4.2 Ghz without crashing
>>54552714
Im using the same processor as you clocked to 4ghz as well. It seems good but there is no real good AMD CPU atm. Id hate to say it but look into jumping ship at an intel card, say 2600k or 4690k
>>54558872
You are adding voltage right? Also: crank up LLC.
This is - of course - assuming you aren't using a shit tier motherboard.
>>54558880
Either wait for zen or wait for X99
>>54558881
The motherboard is shit tier and I did crank up the volatage. I'm not sure if i did LLC. Either way - I replaced the CPU with one of these meme Xeons a while back and am using the AMD rig at work.
>>54557767
>a lot of less demanding games like CSGO and LoL maybe Dota are more CPU reliant for some stupid reason
That's because of DX9. All older games are like that.
>>54558200
>Why do y'all hate vidya so much?
Here is a secret for you: /g/ absolutely loathes all kinds of new tech and they try to convince themselves (and others) that newer tech is useless or even bad.
Why do you think threads like this pop up all the time?
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>>54558480
not this guy
but it does
>>54553139
My 3570k bottlenecked my 970 on Syndicate, but nothing else so far
>>54552714
bottlenecking is usually a problem when games only use mainly one core. and in this case frequency is usually more important than cpu generation.
>>54558975
Weird. I played Syndicate on my 1090T and had no CPU bottleneck at all. Four modern Intel cores should be able to more than keep up with six K10 cores.
>>54559025
Definetly shouldn't be seeing 100% usage on a 3570K. A stock 2500K or a Haswell i3 is more than enough to run it at 1080p/60fps with room to spare.
>>54559025
I didn't really get why it was happening either, but it was consistent throughout my entire playthrough. Haven't experienced bottlenecking in any other games though
>>54558861
that game runs like shit on almost anything, but yea, amd makes that almost unplayable.
as for the talking to server, why is it ONLY battlefield that's that intensive though? i mean the game needs to be run at half settings to not have massive fps issues while the single player can be maxed without bothering
>>54558864
again, what the fuck would be going on to make that big a difference though?
>>54558442
so the rumoured 6 core Zen is the mainstream variant? I need a new CPU but fuck I can't justify $500 for hobby work
Depends on the game really.
GTA V will slam my CPU (i7 4790k) at about 65-70% and hits my GPU for about 80% (R9 380)
DOOM hits my GPU for 100% but my CPU for about 20-30%
>>54559238
>but yea, amd makes that almost unplayable.
>Arma2
>2500k@stock; minimum fps 26
>FX-8350@stock: minimum fps 24 with the same scenario, with exact same amount of ai and scripts active
So shitty indeed and unplayable on both. [email protected], the minimum fps raises to 28.
Thats what you get with software that is happy to chew any amount of IPC, but with only single thread.
>>54559118
check with a process explorer if there is anything that is eating up a full core or two, i've had that happen before with skype and stuff like that. It just locks up an entire core at boot and keeps it at full load as long as the program is up.
>>54552714
More important than you would think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sx1kLGVAF0
Apparently a 30% gap in some games between sandy bridge and skylake
What's the i3 6100 like lads, good enough to play my map painting simulators?
dual core Pentium G3258 + R7 260x gets the job done
>inb4 poorfag
>>54559842
Not in situations where multithreading is heavily utilised, which is most games nowadays.
I use a Phenom II X4 955 myself since 2010. Been wonderful and still runs fine all my stuff. Paired with 4GB ram + Geforce GT 740 (8800GT I had died last year). OS is Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit. If you upgrade and you want to still use windows 7 as your os, keep in mind that Intel Skylake processor is last one that will be compatible with Win 7. Don't know about AMD.
>>54559822
name some games, map painting sims could mean anything.
>>54559973
EU4
CK2
Victoria 2
Total War
>>54559997
The latest total war might be a bit chunky for an i3 since it reccomends an i5 for it (taking rome total war 2 as an example), the others should run perfectly fine on an i3 with enough ram to load all the assets into it.
>>54559763
You need to be careful with these sorts of benchmarks - digital foundry has a habit of using 1600mhz DDR3 but very highly clocked DDR4 kits which skews the data when you can slap 2133mhz DDr3 on sandy vagina.
>>54560035
You honestly think a 30% difference can be explained by 2133 mhz over 1600 mhz? Seems a bit unlikely
>>54560106
Thats just the point, with faster DDR3 the difference isn't going to be 30% - it will be less. Obviously skylake will laways be ahead but not inherently by such a large delta.
>>54560146
I honestly don't think it matters much, there still seems to be a pretty big difference in cpu intensive games even at the same clock speeds
>>54560187
Any game that slams ram (like GTA V does) benefits from the increased speed. FO4 is another game that is sensitive to ram speed.
>>54560201
How big of a difference though, its just speculation if I don't see any side by side comparison
>>54560223
I'll have to go looking for hard numbers for GTA, but I do have this for FO4.
>>54552714
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cache+friendly+code
>>54560245
Those are some pretty big differences, might actualy be worth it to jump from sandy to skylake so I can slap on some faster ram, I'm on 1066 mhz ram right now
>>54560245
>Get DDR3 they said
>DDR4 is a meme they said
>Ram speeds don't matter they said
Thanks for reminding me why I never listen to /g/.
>>54560245
What website is that?
>>54560315
But /g/ just showed you that pic
>>54560332
http://www.techspot.com/review/1089-fallout-4-benchmarks/page6.html
>>54552714
Holding out with mine (also X4 965) until Zen hits the fan. Going to get both the new GPU and CPU generations when that has happened.
I'm even rocking 8GB of DDR2 plus a 7970 and play GTA5 at 4k. Not maxed, but looks great still and framerate is stable.
>>54562137
>7970
>4k
>GTA
I'm guessing medium settings and you are only getting around 40fps.
>>54562179
Pretty much, but looks good anyways and the game's fun. Still better than console in any case.
>>54559364
arma 3 does much better if im not mistaken, granted my brother is on a 4790 or something like that and can play it 2 and 3 at a respectable frame rate, no where near that sub 30, but yea, amd is worse at it.
>>54560342
>>54560315
>>54560245
honestly would love to see what ddr2 looks like for fallout 4 with that.
and for damn near every game, ram does not matter so long as you have ram.
>>54559763
do note that unless you have 120 hrz monitors, anything above 60 is pointless, its nice to have that overhead, but pointless.
>>54562516
>and for damn near every game, ram does not matter so long as you have ram.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er_Fuz54U0Y
Kill yourself.
>>54562555
>damn near every game
and you show me what, 2 or 3 where there is a difference in ram?
do you not know the meaning of damn near every game
lets also not gloss over the fact that these are all over 60fps no matter what. dudes on a 965, i'm seriously doubting that he has a 120 hrz monitor.
>>54552714
When trying to decide if its worth upgrading to a new CPU you dont need to look at what other CPU Benchmarks look like, you just need to look at your own CPU and decide if it meets your requirements. If your machine can run the programs you use and the games you play at acceptable performance levels then all the new cpu benchmarks in the world are completely irrelevant. If you find yourself unhappy with your current performance THEN its time to start looking at benchmarks of other hardware.
>>54562683
Look, he showed you quite a few games where there are significant differences:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-intel-skylake-core-i5-6500-review
You'd need more benchmarks like this of more games to find out how prevalent it actually is and on what type of games.
So isn't
>and for damn near every game, ram does not matter so long as you have ram.
just a guess then? Do you know it to be true as in you've already seen all benchmarks of "most games" with new skylake processors and and different clocked RAM?
I don' think so. No, you've actually just seen the opposite where multiple people showed you that AAA games benefit significantly from better RAM.
>over the fact that these are all over 60fps
It doesn't really matter what a single person has. Maybe he has a FHD 60Hz monitor. That'd just mean that future games that are harder on the hardware will have better framerates.
Could also use a higher res monitor / free-sync / g-sync monitor.
Any of you guys know how Civ 5 performs on a FX-8300 or similar AMD processor? I'm looking to build my first PC but I don't want to spend a ton of money on an Intel processor.
>>54562516
>do note that unless you have 120 hrz monitors, anything above 60 is pointless
False. Higher framerates still feel much more fluent due to the lower input lag.
>>54563208
That isn't how that works at all.
>>54563269
>>54563208
So guys gonna fight about it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWSRTYV8e0
Is he right?
>>54553274
AMD has PSP
>>54563269
Most certainly is. I have a 60 Hz monitor but Quake Live becomes unplayable below 100 fps.
>>54563269
That is precisely how it works you fucking dumb ape Neanderthal retarded /v/-browsing stupid fucking retarded nigger fuck.
