How long till it's possible to upload ourselves and exist forever?
5 to 15 decades
>>54482725
>tfw <30 year olds today will probably live to 125 years old average
>tfw these decades are within my grasp
>>54482725
>>54482763
I'll be fucking first in line.
>>54482719
The second after you drop dead.
>>54482719
Imagine the horrors. We'd all be slaves of corporations, watching everything we do.
This is why Free Software is so important.
>>54482719
>20 years from now
>Google rules the world
>mind uploads are mandatory to better mine ad-data
>even in death the botnet cannot be escaped
>>54482857
Why does software being free mean corporations don't control it?
>>54482719
Do normal people actually believe that shit is possible? At best we could "copy your brains contents" and store it in a computer so it would act as a turing machine based on your data, the real "you" will be dead.
>>54482876
Because you have the four freedoms.
>>54482884
It actually should be possible, except you're one of these normalfags who believe in "souls". The brains content is nothing but data.
That sounds scary
>>54482884
>the real "you" will be dead
The real "you" doesn't exists. Personality is a collection of different experiences.
>>54482725
They should hurry up.
>>54482918
No it's pretty obvious that our lives are bound by biology and chemistry. You can store the data of every particle in a chemical reaction, but it will not be a reaction in your computer, just data. You can simulate said data, but said reaction still doesn't exist.
I think you're just one of those normies who doesn't know how computers or computer data works.
>>54482973
The real "you" is a set of chemical reactions happening inside of you. A computer can simulate a copy of you, that's it.
Let's suppose someone had their entire body slowly turned into a cyborg until nothing but the brain needed to exist, and then the brain was stored somewhere and the data and contents of the brain were copied onto a computer system. When would we cease consciousness? Where exactly is the divide between the physical brain and the mind? If the original brain were destroyed and the data only existed, would it have its own mind, or would it only be analyzable from the computer's readers' perspective?
>>54482894
in the year of windows 10 this gave me a raging clue.
>>54482884
>Do normal people actually believe that shit is possible?
Yes. Technology is the new magic. Doesn't help that modern so-called science fiction just handwaviums how it works. Arthur Clarke would be spinning in his grave at how dumb society has become.
>>54483155
You would have to experience it yourself since it's all guess work and speculation.
>brain is copied onto a computer system
>brain.exe boots up
>segmentation fault
>>54482884
>>54483032
Man this guy is dumb
My entire life is already online
>>54483155
I guess it'd be like being high all the time, everything seems delayed as your brain is partly replaced with superconductors and ultra processors that are slow as fuck compared to what they're replacing, but hey, now you can have sex with ads.
>>54482719
Why is this digitized consciousness taking a dump? Wouldn't transcending your mortal coil allow you take any shape and forgo bowel movements?
>>54483221
There's nothing wrong with speculation. For much of human history, science was all guess work and speculation.
I suppose if the mind is influenced by the brain which is influenced by the environment as extracted from the senses, then once the only remaining vessel is the brain then there would be no need for individual thought as influenced from the environment. Since many of our ideas are a product of what we experience, we can imagine the brain-only would spend most of its time pleasuring itself through artificial sensory experiences if given the power.
If one were to be born as a brain-only it would be something to study; we can imagine they might become total vegetables, or they might have extremely alien ideals based upon their odd birth-environment.
It won't happen. The only way to attain immortality is by very VERY quickly replacing our neurons and other brain structures with analogous cybernetic replacements. Then we just toss the 'brain' into whatever casing we see fit and replace it as needed. The key is to not disrupt any of the functions of the brain while replacing its parts. ETA 2166.
>>54483311
>no argument
>>54482719
>Google Matrix v1.0 finally released
>cost to upload yourself is $1,000,000
>work your ass off to save up enough money, get your family to chip in their life savings
>finally you can afford to leave your physical body
>enter the matrix and it's a buggy as shit beta-quality product, nothing works
>only other people who bought in are disgusting closet pedos who wanted to go there to escape their awful real lives, these are the only people you can socialize with now
>try to talk to normies on Google Hangouts (the only normie chat program you're allowed to use now) and they hate you and make fun of you
>eventually get used to all of the bullshit and start to enjoy your new job as a debugging technician for Google's search algorithms, even though these are the only jobs that exist inside the matrix
>Google announces the Matrix project is unpopular and will be cancelled
>"unfortunately returning to your previous physical body is not supported"
>watch slowly as the servers shut down around you
>finally your server block is scheduled for termination
>the lights start to flicker off and you wonder what could have been
>it's beautiful
>>54482719
>faggots think this is possible
Think of it like this, my tech illiterate dipshit, I splat your brain on the concrete with a hammer and very carefully map out the entire structure of your brain on a big piece of paper as bits, I now start moving around said bits to simulate your brain. Is the new big paper full of ones and zeroes your new consciousness?
>b-but muh quantum computers!
You faggots need to stop thinking about computers as these magic black boxes that do everything for you.
>>54482719
>upload
>not "copy"
Having a copy of myself would be better than die, but repairing my failing body would be even better still.
About timing... The public isn't interested in it that much, the related research is grossly underfunded. Maybe it will happen in our lifetime, but it may not.
>>54482857
>This is why Free Software is so important
so the fsf can control you...
>>54482894
>Because you have the four freedoms.
four
freedumbs
with restrictions... of course!
>>54483664
kill yourself dumb illiterate
>>54483664
Guess you meant to say protections instead of restrictions.
>>54483578
Not OP, but people like you need to stop thinking about brains as magic black boxes that create consciousness. If you can perfectly map out and simulate a brain, it stands to reason that the simulation will react exactly as the brain would. If you believe that that simulation would not be "conscious", it implies that consciousness is some sort of magic.
>>54483155
The very idea of "you" is an illusion created by evolution to protect your DNA.
>>54482719
Somebody needs to be out here taking care of the hardware. Unless you download yourself into Nature, Avatar style.
>>54482719
I don't know, but no amount of post-modernism will allow that to make you "immortal." The moment you are uploaded to that is the moment you are dead. That or you'll do it during your lifetime but it'll only be a copy of you, with even more imperfections.
>>54483918
>What are robots.
I wish I could find and replace every tech based use of the word Singularity with "The Force" because they're both about as likely to really exist.
>>54483155
Consider a person who is in a brain dead state. They are not conscious and are pronounced dead.
There's so much that isn't known about the brain, and how it connects with the body, proper functions aside. We live in a time that allows to quickly dismiss brain studies as as "pseudo science," which should tell you that we aren't ready to make many decisions in regards to technology that tampers with the brain.
>2020
>son uploaded me on his brand new Seagate
>Seagate shit failing
>mfw I'm lost
>mfw no backup son
>>54482719
>tfw uploaded to botnet
>tfw some dumb nigger opens a shady email attachment to get koolaid coupons
>tfw virus encrypts entire botnet and we all ransomware now and no real humans left to pay the ransom so we spend eternity in an encrypted limbo state of nothingness
>This is why we need to ban encryption anon
>>54485308
If we ban encryption, then only criminals will encrypt
>>54482719
>upload
>exist forever
>implying things you upload exist forever
>implying youre important enough to worth maintenance
>implying you wont get corrupted over time
Just die faggot
>>54482918
No senpai brain is just a big processor with big cache. Literally no data is properly stored
>>54485344
Ban the assault processors
>>54483538
Well done anon i enjoyed reading this
>>54485461
Nobody needs 2048 bit encryption, if the people who invented binary encryption knew how sophisticated it would get they would have regulated it
from wikipedia
>>54485533
i don't even care about living forever, i just want to see a future where storage is that cheap
>>54482719
couple years after you die
>upload self onto virtual reality world
>endless time at your disposal
>still no gf
>>54483538
>>54482795
Lol probably true
>>54482719
>In 20 years I'll be 46 years old
>I plan living only until 35, then an hero
I think I born too soon
>>54483538
Publish a torrent of yourself and you can live forever.
>>54485879
>upload self onto virtual reality world
You can become Ralph Pootawn.
>>54482867
mandatory uploads? good point, anon, I did not think of that but fully believe it and am scared. I can't even kill myself to escape the bullshit with a mortal body, imagine trying to self terminate as your mind fills the universe. At least with a sentient ai causing the bullshit, we could torcher them back.
>>54483824
i think it was more of a biproduct of parallel computation, the multi-core-ism of something like doing pattern recognition on visuals while remembering a pathway to water (memory isn't separate storage from processes, but part of it).
>>54486608
(cont) so all the processes conscience arose from were selected for, but not the consciousness. ego does give some social benefit, but i don't think its big enough to select for and vertebrates are communal long before consciousness.
>>54482719
One day after diabetes beats you.
>>54482763
>>tfw <30 year olds today will probably live to 125 years old average
>>tfw these decades are within my grasp
Hahaha! You're hilarious.
When/if serious longevity treatments are invented, they will go to the wealthiest, and the price will never go down. You and I are never living to 125.
Whoever's on top when immortality is created will be on top forever. Human society will fossilize. You think you're going to work your way into the ranks of people who have had 200 years for compound interest to work its magic? Nigga please.
>>54486697
>You and I are never living to 125.
Thank God, I'd hate to be on Earth that long. I'd like to go see my Lord when the Time comes.
>>54482894
unless it's proprietary then you can't run it because we don't like that.
>>54483363
>If one were to be born as a brain-only it would be something to study; we can imagine they might...have extremely alien ideals
or they might be a computer.
i agree that environment makes the person, but if we can create animation and digital art, then this can 'pleasure ourselves' the same way it does now. i think for us first gens, the biggest and most noticeable change will be lack of hormone stimulation. no stress, no hunger, no macho projection, no cornered reflex, etc.
>>54483616
>related research is grossly underfunded.
abruy de grey gets funded for life extension desires (not robobrains)
proceeds to do a decade of research and ends up with a treatment for one very specific type of heart disease
FAIL
>>54483918
>taking care of the hardware
thinking matter. planets of exclusively silicon. the memory of nature exactly how it was, and simulations of its future would exist, but there is no requirement for a sheperd, you sheep.
>>54484141
>we aren't ready to make many decisions in regards to technology that tampers with the brain
Damn right we aren't. There's just too much we don't know.
>>54484083
enumerate?
>>54485308
encrypted out of reality, but still conscious? terrifying.
> exist forever
All it takes is a power outrage or an EMP nuke and your data is corrupted = you become retarded or dead.
Who would want to exist forever?
What if someone locks your data up for eternity? Would wouldn't be able to die. You'd just exist as data forever in a black void.
What we need to get done for "Brain in the Shell" tier cyberpunk
>Preserve and supply a human brain in a jar with everything it needs to live.
Ghost in the shell calls this a Braincase
>adapt all the functions of the peripheral nervous system into robotic emulations that can receive and send information to the brain.
We're basically talking about reverse engineering a WINE type deal for your entire central nervous system.
>>54487055
>nuke... =... retarded
kek
the thought of a retarded ai (short BUS)
>>54482894
>free software
>"sell to others"
Kinda defeats the purpose, in a dickish sort of way.
>>54482719
Johnny Depp already did it.
>>54482857
>mfw my conciousness is refactored into non-free javascript
>mfw I am one with the botnet
>>54482867
Well, you could always just rm -r /yourself
you moron you are a god , fool. what more do you humans want?
>>54483359
>forgo bowel movements?
why would i want to do that?
>>54483781
Yeah I agree with this. Consciousness is tricky subject. We are reaching an impasse where the walls surrounding the Descartian philosophy of self are being torn down.
To me consciousness seems to be part of the complexity of the event drive feedback loop we call life. Honestly consciousness itself could just be an advantageous glitch in our evolutionary programming. It helps enable fear of death, reinforces object permanence ("If that is that, then what am I?"), motivates the selection of cultural traits, etc. It could literally be the mind tricking itself into the idea of a separate distinct existence.
>>54483155
sounds like this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
the real 'you' would still be dead. only a clone of you would be uploaded
>>54482777
Youll be dead by then
>>54482719
Imagine some scientists uploading my brain and booting up, they get hit by shocking imagery and sounds of a lifetime of grief, anxiety and misery. There is nothing of value in my brain, I am the least creative and useful person on earth.
>>54490005
i imagine that's what they'd get with just about anyone, don't feel bad
>>54487312
That's because in english the word free is the same for "libre" and "gratis", thus, creating problems.
>>54483155
We would begin to cease consciousness the very moment we lost any of our will to live, I suppose as caused by a loss of disconnect from reality the further or less 'lifelike' it seems. A data system sounds like a strange way to find a continuation of your life but it doesn't seem anyway worthwhile to drive a chemical, biological reaction within your own body. Unless you expect to 're-hook it up to a new body' and the complexity with that would have to be resolved with biotech in some way, I guess.
>>54483824
Yes but my brain can see right through the illusion, can't yours?
>>54482894
That's some communist bullshit right there
It won't be you who lives forever, only the copy that you uploaded.
So you still die
>>54487208
>short BUS
G E N I U S
>>54482719
CTRL+F soma
no result found.
You have to play this game.
>>54482719
I don't want to exist forever, I fell for the 16GB RAM meme.
