is arch Linux as autistic as Ive been hearing? or is it fine?
>>54433537
(quick aside from OP)
>inb4 Linux mudflinging competion
>>54433537
>Pros:
Small and minimal
Easy to customize without requiring gentoo-level autism
Excellent documentation
AUR
>Cons:
Rolling release distro - no such thing as "stable" or "LTS"
Package upgrades can and do cause breakage
there is some autism, i found out its quite common in the linux world
but arch is actually great
>>54433537
It's the bernie sanders of linux distributions.
>>54433592
so, arch Linux is a closet communist?
>>54433610
Unrealistic ideals only used by hipster faggots.
>>54433636
Linux mint then?
>>54433537
If you don't know shit sure, the same way that if you only used Windows XP/7 all your life Debian or even Windows 95 is autistic (what? I have to install drivers manually? I have to start the installation with a 3 1/2 disk and know "basic" MS-DOS commands?)
If you are interested get into it with patience, nothing is autistic if you master it (well, unless it has no purpose, but if it gives you more control and power over how the OS works, then its not autistic, just more complex in comparison).
>>54433648
They're all the same. Linux is hipster cancer in general except for the 'mainstream' distributions used on servers and android/embedded systems.
>>54433664
>>54433677
well you guys dont seem to have a positive outlook.....
>>54433537
You'll have to install it, to see if you're capable of using it. It's not for everyone.
>>54433664
If you only want to use the computer for general porpuses, yes Linux has no purpose.
If you want to learn how computers work, Windows is cancer (there is a lot to learn in Windows too, but it has a handicap, eventually you need to move on to UNIX based to learn more).
>>54433729
I meant to quote >>54433677
instead quoted myself lol
>>54433537
If you take a pre built house, and take away all the bricks and blocks and then use a guide to rebuild it, is it a brand new house?
Basically there is 2 types of people that use arch, the people that want to customize their system, and the people who think that by using a user guide to download packages, they are somehow making their own linux distribution because whenever you suggest to them that they should make a LFS, they just respond with "arch is more cutting edge".
Arch is fine, its just the kids that use it. Arch infects anyone that installs it instantly. You can install it, but there is no point in adding more cancer, because it already re-produces itself daily.
Add a verification step in the arch linux installation asking what a display server is. £20 the arch population drops by 90%.
>>54433537
Arch Linux is pretty simple to use. It's my favorite distro. Although you should try out manjaro or antergos first
>>54433780
Antergos and Manjaro are both shit, especially Antergos because the fucking installer doesn't even work half the time
>>54433718
>its not for everyone
in what way?
>>54433570
>>54433836
Arch is not meant to be installed as its angry loser base fluctuates between "use a guide" and "ur a scrub". No guide can possibly exist even the one on their wiki that can satisfy this.
>What they wish to achieve/set up with Arch is not the same
It will never be the same because it must be a different facet of some irrelevant desktop butt diddling snowflakeism
>you cannot say this will work for them
You're right. Install Ubuntu so you don't need to waste days on this timesink.
>rage
This timesink's secret purpose is to give them something to pretend to do instead of raging
>so many differing variables
Which is why non-sperg distros come with installers with questions but GUIs are for normies right
>most of these installers get it wrong
Yes because they work too well right
>The safest way for a new arch user...
...Is to complain on the forums so all of the ones that made it into the club can strut their stuff and say RTFM but then delete the M, replace it with a "U", and eventually remove the RT
>>54433537
Install gentoo or gtfo
>>54433537
It's just a rolling release distribution, there is nothing magical or mysterious about it, OpenSUSE tumbleweed is also a rolling release distribution, again nothing magical about it
>fell for the meme and installed arch after using ubuntu for about a year
>easy enough to install, but getting it to a usable state (desktop environment, compositor, wi-fi, locker) afterwards took far longer than it should've
>got kernel panic a few times when pacman fucked my shit up but was easy enough to fix
>constant necessity to read documentation on related and unrelated things when i wanted additional functionality
>overall pretty comfy, even though i never got it 100% to my liking
i attribute these difficulties to arch's learning curve obviously, but given that i had to use it daily, having to constantly figure out simple shit wasn't worth it just to be part of the elitists who use a meme distro.
i switched to xubuntu yesterday. just werks.
>>54433552
Been using it for the last 2 months. I've had three random reboots, with no logs of course. I hate systemd. I think I'm going to go back to Funtoo.
>>54433718
Having a high IQ comes with it's pros and cons. For instance, i do perfectly fine while only half paying attention to what i'm doing in Arch and other logic based subjects, but when it comes to religion i can't even begin to understand how anyone would believe a damned thing
>>54433537
>overzealous autistic fan boys
>"you'll learn how Linux REALLY works!" When it's literally just configuring a package manager and letting scripts do the rest
>offers nothing that minimal net installs already offered for other distros don't
>muh bleeding edge packages!! when you can just install directly from the upstream source in any distro
>only reason to use it is the aur, which is full of broken and unmaintained packages and isn't monitored at all, most "packages" are just a bash script to download the package and it's install script from GitHub
>aur is far worse than Open Build Service, which actually lets you package binaries and programs for multiple distros
It's not the worst distro, but there's nothing it offers that makes it worth using over any other distros and it has the worst fucking user base.
It's really fucking autisitic
>>54434912
Anon, they don't necessarily believe it because they think it's true. They believe it because it gives them comfort. A universe governed by a God gives them a sense of purpose since they believe a universal plan is constantly in effect. An empty, Godless universe where there isn't any divine justice or purpose is a terrifying thought. People want to believe there is something more to life than their 9-5 jobs, corrupt politicians, and reality television.
>>54435093
They believe it because they are weak and ignorant. Just like "people" that don't use Arch
>>54433836
I love this font, what is it?
>>54433836
>>54435356
Seconded. I like the 'f's. ID on font please
>>54435566
>>54435356
COMIC SANS
>>54433537
I used it and it really wasnt that bad until I realized that windows could do all of those things + games; the one thing computers offer that TV and books dont is games and it felt ridiculous to have it if I couldnt do the one thing it was good at.
As I mentioned it wasnt that bad, so to directly answer your question: nah. Takes the same amount of time to get used to computers in general as it does to get used to arch - except u need a few more braincells to modify it individually without getting in trouble or blissful ignorance-hole (using DE).
If Arch supported games (or if linux in general did) or vice versa - Arch would surpass all other distros and os on simplicity + customizability.
I miss awesome so much but oh well...
>>54436017
>the one thing computers offer that TV and books dont is games
wew
>>54435319
There's no way you actually exist
>>54436145
Get the fuck off my board
>>54434894
You can ditch systemd in arch if you want.
It will use openrc.
The OS is fine, the users are trash.
It's circle jerked by people who couldn't install an actual "difficult" OS and instead went for babbys ferst hard distro.
>>54438262
Good luck with that. I don't know of anyone that got it to work
>>54438530
i went here to do it
http://systemd-free.org/install.php
>>54438530
forgot to add to >>54438718
im a slack user but i wanted to try it.
>>54435319
>>54433813
Like "babies can't drive cars" not for everyone
>>54434965
lookin reeeeal comfy. fonts?
>>54435566
>>54433836
Cantarell
Am I autistic?
>>54440525
Nah, you can't even rice Xfce properly.
>Pro
Super difficult. Arch USERS are generally smarter than the DEVELOPERS of other distributions.
You get to feel super intelligent and autistic for this very reason.
>Con
Subhuman Noobuntu users will hate your guts because you're too smart.
>>54440941
Please be joking
>Deploy Arch using EC2 AWI
>Literally no idea what the install process is
>Shit just works
>Been running several for about two years. Much happier than before.
>>54440525
>shit font
>autistic
"No"
>>54440941
Yes, because you are smarter than this man.
>>54433565
>Gentoo level autism
Because you idiots consider learning something as autistic
>>54433565
>Rolling release distro - no such thing as "stable" or "LTS"
>a con
>Package upgrades can and do cause breakage
this can happen on any system. I've had no breakage from upgrades in 2 years, whereas my friend on Windows's graphic driver shits itself every few upgrades
>>54441494
>a con
Proper distribution offer both, rolling and LTS.
>>54441530
No because different distributions serve different purposes. There's just no point to using Arch on a system that benefits from LTS.
For my servers i use Alpine Linux. Justapk add myprogram
Install security updates every once and for the rest forget about it.
>>54433565
>Small and minimal
not at all.
>Easy to customize without requiring gentoo-level autism
applies to all distros, gentoo/funtoo are better for customization
>Excellent documentation
good wiki =! excellent documentation
debians documentation is probably better while archs wiki is great
>rolling release
that's not necessarily a bad thing, some people want this and are fine with it. the bad thing about it is that there is no choice like there would be with debian, fedora or opensuse.
>Package upgrades can and do cause breakage
comes with the rolling release aspect, if they finally provide something like apt-listbugs in debian this would not be as much of a problem.
all in all arch is pretty cool, especially for people who care about convenience but not so much about security (AUR can be a good thing for these people). the problem is the community that seems to only know about buntu and arch and that is filled with elitists, autists and retards.
>>54441586
>debians documentation is probably better
I've used it several times. It's outdated and generally shit.
>>54441603
tell us what part of it.
both https://www.debian.org/doc/
and https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf
are generally pretty good.
>>54433537
I switched from Arch to debian this morning.
I don't have an ethernet port so i can't connect to the internet. I already installed
firmware-ipw2x00
firmware-iwlwifi
and the wifi still isn't working.
Arch is 10x better
It's alright. It's still bloated. It's community driven, so eh. ABS is cool. For me it's
>Gentoo
>FreeBSD
>Debian
>Arch
>>54441627
read the pci devices at https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
and don't be a retard.
>>54441617
https://www.debian.org/doc/ has no decent structure like the Arch Wiki
best way to find something in there is to use Google
For example, I want to read up on BIND.
>Search the Debian docs for bind
https://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=en&P=bind
>Search Arch Wiki for bind
https://wiki.archlinux.org/?search=bind
Okay, after a bit of googling I found a (non-obsolete) page on Bind on the Debian wiki.
https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9
Compare that with the Arch wiki.
![[FFF] Yuru Yuri S2 - 10 [BD][720p-AAC][1FB516C3].mkv_snapshot_03.30_[2015.10.11_03.21.31].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/l7atLY1.jpg "[FFF] Yuru Yuri S2 - 10 [BD][720p-AAC][1FB516C3].mkv_snapshot_03.30_[2015.10.11_03.21.31].jpg")
autism is bitching about which distro is better instead of just using the one you like.
>>54441582
Agreed i use slackware and it has both lts and rolling release models. I may use rrm on my laptop but i use lts model on my server.
Also, Alpine...
My man. Admiration for this distro.
I'm too smart for other distributions.
>>54441673
as i said: wiki =! documentation
i use the arch wiki myself and recommend it to everybody regardless of distro but documentation is important for distro specific information and guides while the wiki should cover specific programs or list things like fonts and similar. the debian administrator handbook is awesome for example.
your Bind9 example seems to indicate that the debian wiki is actually better than the arch wiki, though this is not the case most of the time.
>>54441723
>>54441673aptitude install dwww
https://packages.debian.org/sid/dwww
>>54441627
you can download wifi drivers beforehand and put them on a usb and load them during net install.
just sayin
>>54441627
Don't use hardware that requires non-free drivers.
>>54441757
he could have also used the expert installer and included contrib and non-free or just used the nonfree-netinstall image from the start.
>>54441764
can't i just go to the sources.list and like, enable it?
>>54433565
why is AUR favorable? I always thought that using something that was made and uploaded by some unknown user is not a good idea
>>54441089
This man can't even implement a dep resolver and gets rekt by Linus in debconf
>>54441854
He is stiil here for a reason.
You know that "kiss" principle you arch idiots adhere to... He invented it. Ive used arch... Have you used his os? And whats he got to do with Linus and debconf?... OR DEB ANYTHING? Arch users smarter than this man.. Yeah right.
>>54441854
dep resolver.
implying everyone needs one.
>>54441788
you can but then you need to install the right drivers from the the list >>54441651 posted
>>54441854
What is slapt-get?
What is Gslapt?
We can be lazy cunts too you know....
Its not all about you.
>>54442045
i did but it's non-free
I fucked up.
Here is proof arch fags are dumb
>>54441935
Because he thinks respect should be given for no reason. I find literally no reason to respect him because you claim he invented kiss principle
>>54442017
Yeah they do, the reason you don't have a dep resolver is because you don't have enough devs.
I like how your kind delude yourselves in a pseudo superiority and try to hide the simple fact that a basic feature like this is not there in the vanilla install
>>54442050
How about shipping them by default?
>>54442071
That's not a problem if your sources.list has main contrib and non-free
>>54433537
>arch linux = autism
This is always true, because you are assigning the value of autism to arch linux variable, which happens successfully.
What you want to do is use "==" instead of "=" if you want to compare arch linux and autism.
I'm not even using Arch so you can't blame my autism on it.
>>54442136
Pretty sure you should just archlinux.equals(autism) if you're comparing objects buddy.
>>54442075
How about shipping them by default?
Why? Theres no need. Some people dont want them.
Oh and about that "not enough" devs thing...
you sure about that. He has explained that he will never resolve dependencies and you may choose another distro.
We are the oldest, most laid back (unlike you arch folk), and we will outlast you.
>>54442158
Sure. I just offered the solution with syntax similar to what OP used.
>>54440460
>Cantarell
https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Cantarell
>>54442109
Did I do it right?
>>54442202
Why are you posting this?
Cantarell is the default interface font on gnome 3 btw and it looks real nice.
>>54442179
Yeah the first and the foremost reason is
> Automatic dependency handling requires constant manual developer maintenance, and adds potential for dependency hell.
Incompetency 101
>>54442235
No such thing as dependency hell when dependencies are handled by you instead of a package manager.
Manage a server one day. And...
We will outlast you.
>>54442235
You see, these gentoo retards go on about useflags for a reason.
>>54442235
Thinks hes smarter than the PAT.
Well this slackware/arch debate has got boring.
>>54442223
this is gnome right? with shift+print you can do selective screenshots.
from what i read you need security updates for contrib and nonfree aswell. just add contrib and nonfree on all official repos.
you are missing deb-multimedia which you might want (but probably don't need)
here's the correspoding wiki page:
https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
>>54442341
>the PAT.
Get REKT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ017D_JOPY
>>54442397
How do I get the repos with no WiFi
Also I don't have WiFi on laptop so I can't take screen shot atm
>>54433664
I know you are tryig to make a point, but you are failing miserably. Using Win95 when it first came out would not be autistic, but if you are still using it now then there is definitely something wrong with you.
>>54442424
You spent all that time coming up with this?
Whats Patrick got to do with this video dipshit.
What about your main arguments?
You know about the arch user being smarter than the developers of most distros and that kind of shit.
Im a little disappointed in you.
What about your other arguments about package management?
>>54442424
Thats not Patrick Volkerding
>>54442552
>Getting assblasted like this
>>54433565
>Easy to customize without requiring gentoo-level autism
Until you want to ACTUALLY customize your OS instead of just installing the latest rice window manager and starting x again or chaging your terminal emulator.
Gentoo > arch any day
>>54442552
Look at the post I replied to dumb faggot
>>54442424
even if that was slackwares dictator for life, i wouldnt exactly call that #REKT.
>>54442235
fuck it, start over with http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
>>54442633
What are you on about?
>>54442618
Whats this got to do with Patrick Volkerding?
He isnt even in the video.
>>54442656
wrong quoting, sorry
>>54442633
was meant for >>54442464
>>54442665
Sorry to trigger your autism but that's the PAT :DDDD
I planned to install Arch with OB/Tint2 similar to #! but god damn their community is horrible (at least the one that are vocal on IRC/forums/reddit). Most likely I'll just use Debian and pull #! configs.
>>54442633
why would that make a difference?
>>54442703
Prove it. That isnt him because he has never attended debconf.
>>54442716
Dont.. You'll end up like>>54442424
Thinking you know everything, but...
>>54442717
because that will install the proprietary drivers you need by default. if you boot from it you can install and everything will pretty much just werk.
>>54442741
>know everything
About how you don't have enough devs to maintain dependency solver
>>54440941
an you confirm that the average arch user knows more than these linux developers?
>>54442742
ok well i will get back to you son
>>54442755
Oh back to this. Its been explained.
If you want to have other people do shit for you then do the slapt-get/Gslapt thing, have auto tracking with sbopkg or do it yourself.
You seem to think handling dependencies is a hard thing to do. I feel sorry for you teenyboppers, you are a lazy bunch of people.
Manage a server or two one day.
Oh and we will outlast you.
>>54442755
what about your video?
did you find the pat?
you are a true faggot.
why did you put that stupid video up for us?
>>54442850
Not installing a certain package to look cool should not make you feel like a snowflake. There are people who use GNU/Linux in a daily basis as their primary OS.
About the servers. There are reasons why people prefer RHEL or CenOS in real life.
>Outlast
What a pity. I don't mind people using pointless distros but the outlast jokes never fails to make me laugh
>>54442929
I manage servers and yes we use slackware.
Who are you to say that "most" people use rhel or cent? Seriously? I think youll find that most people dont. I prefer to manage my own dependencies because its easier to maintain, you know... BY ME (Keep your snowflakes to yourself). And yes, arch will die long before the slackydacks will.
>>54442929
Damage control.
>>54433537
Just use it, all these fucking retards just like to say every fucking thing is autistic so dont worry about it, it is a good distro.
>>54442929
Oh well it was nice oh wise teenager.
But unlike you i must work tomorrow.
Dont be so butthurt that you know nothing in life, its ok, youre a child.
And remember we will outlast you.
>>54443021
This. On /g/ everything is autistic what you yourself don't use, because everyone is shortsighted lazy and mostly dumb.
>>54442998
>I think youll find that most people dont
Sorry to break it to you but Slackware has been long deprecated.
>>54443056 (Samefag)
Yeah, no. Unlike you I use Linux as my daily OS so I don't have time for manual dep management.
And remember you are not the only one who's got a job here. Maybe being a low-wage sysadmin was the best you could manage?
>>54441818
You can always look at the sources if you're that tinfoil
Most of the AUR packages are just git clone && makepg type scripts with one or two patches thrown in
>>54443186
>>54443056
You're both autistic as are all linux fanboi. Linux is shit for the desktop unless the user is actually a computer person. Applications are hit and miss and less stable than windows applications as a whole. Linux these days doesn't really offer much except price.
Wow, MAC sure made some inroads.
>>54443662
My tech illiterate parents love gnu/linux and praise debian for the stability.
>>54443772
My users with advanced degrees struggle to find the windows start button.
>>54443772
I doubt your tech illiterate parents would have a valid opinion on system stability.
I haven't had windows stability problems in years, since Windows 98 really when I think back on it.
>>54443878
they know what a bluescreen is and have seen [not responding] on their old windows machine before. This is enough for a tech illiterate person to feel like something is not stable.
>>54443863
teach them how to use the keyboard for most stuff. mouse usage is less user friendly than you think.
>>54443687
Linux is not an OS. Mac is not an OS. This graphic surely was made by tech illiterates.
>>54443687
>Hey guys, what's a server? xD I'm a journalist btw
It's worse.
>>54443977
Here's a better one (older), but still no Linux breakdown.
>>54444238
I am personally amused nearly 2.5x more people run NT over 2000.
I still have a NT 4 workstation running on an overclocked Libretto T100.
I used Ubuntu based distros on and off for ~5 years now and recently made the switch to Arch after getting my feet wet with Manjaro. I just wanted to try it and I don't regret that decision. I haven't encountered a problem yet. Once you've set it up pacman and the AUR are better than apt and PPAs in my opinion.
My reasoning for looking into Arch is the exact same reasoning that got me to use any Linux distro in the first place, which is my love for technology.
>>54433677
Right on the spot.
>>54438718
>sourceforge
enjoy your malware
Arch Linux is what you use if you think having your programs at version 1.0.1 instead of 1.0.0 some days or weeks earlier than your friend is worth having no friends.
>>54433537
it's quite alright actually
you just have to not be an idiot to install everything you need
>>54444849
>(You)
>>54441586
>Not at all
And why isn't it? You're setting up 90% of the system yourself, you can choose how minimal the installation is.
>>54445514
the minimal installation of arch is currently ~250mb. debians minimal install is ~130mb.
the reason is mostly the bloated kernel arch has by default, of course you can compile it yourself on any distro but if you apply this to other things people like arch for there is nothing left.
>>54445514
No, you certainly can't. Package count != choosing how minimal your system is.
Consider the fact that Arch compiles packages with pretty much every optional feature and dependency enabled, it uses more memory and storage space than a comparable Debian install. Even the fucking Arch devs disagree with you. https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html
>>54445538
I don't mind if my os goes up to 30 gb, I didn't mind this 30 years ago I obviously don't mind it today - why would I go full autistic about 250 mb?
>>54442850
Wow you must think you are real special because you can "maintain" your arch install. I don't mind people using arch but this attitude reeks of a mouthbreather. It's not laziness when I use fedora or Ubuntu, I have more important things to be doing than fixing arch.
>>54445633
i would not care either, but saying that arch is minimal makes no sense.
>>54445633
>I don't mind if my os goes up to 30 gb, I didn't mind this 30 years ago
And here we see the 12 year old Linux user pretending to be a greybeard.
30 years ago, storage was measured in megabytes, so I find it hard to believe you didn't mind your OS being 30GB, if such a thing could even exist.
>>54445795
I never used Linux before 2016 - kill yourself retarded weeb.
>>54445874
>I never used Linux before 2016
Don't worry, we can tell.
>>54445892
What a dumb reply, stop uttering words - you're comical.
>>54441757
That had never once worked for me
>>54445795
30 years ago I had a 10Mb IBM hard drive and my rich buddy a 70Mb Miniscribe!!
>>54445581
Archfags BTFO!
>>54433537
arch isn't for everyone, yes there are autists that use it. What's possibly more annoying are the autists who couldn't figure it out (it's not hard) and just spread FUD with various lies.
