Why is everyone saying the GTX1080's $600 pricetag is reasonable/less-than-expected? The 980 (the 1080's 900 series equivalent) was $550. Hell, the 580 was $500 when I bought it in 2011, and that wasn't considered cheap.
I'm a little out of the GPU loop, am I missing something?
AMD openly stated they won't be competing with the 1070/1080, so they can price it accordingly. That and they showed a card that could hit 2.1ghz on stage, so the performance should be insane no matter what.
It was meant to replace the 980 Ti, not the 980. 1080 Ti comes later if it does at all.
>>54422220
Is there any reason to believe there wont be a 1080ti?
>>54422204
What is inflation? If you go back far enough, say 2003, the most expensive cards were about $350 and that was considered expensive. Of course cards also went obsolete twice as fast and you couldn't use them for anything other than games since GPU compute didn't exist yet, so even at their higher current price you're getting a better value both in terms of longevity and usefulness.
>>54422249
>inflation
The 900 series launched in late 2014. We've had <1% inflation since then, but the price of the 1080 is more than 9% higher. Inflation is not a valid answer here.
>>54422248
Is there any reason to believe there will be? Nvidia isn't exactly known for consistency. They pushed the whole MEET YOUR NEW KING thing pretty damn hard. Would be a tit awkward to dethrone that king in a few short months.
>>54422249
>>54422293
Chances are it has to do more with exchange rate or some components getting more expensive for one reason or another.
>>54422308
Except that time they sperged all over the Titan X and then BTFO themselves with the 980 Ti just a couple months later.
>>54422338
The 980Ti is only an improvement for gaymen, and the Titan X was pushed for people on the content creation side of things, who actually need a good deal of vram to get work done.
>>54422308
1. Companies will always tell you their product is the best THING EVAR!!1 right up until they have something new to sell. No electronics company in their right mind would tell you, "Yeah, this is nice and all, but if you wait 6-12 months we'll have something much better on the market."
2. Didn't all the rumors reference a 1080ti?
>>54422204
For a poorfag, would 1070 do the job? And for how many years?
Thinking of VR especially.
>>54422357
>Didn't all the rumors reference a 1080ti?
I distinctly remember talk of "big Pascal" coming later.
>>54422308
I could see them just doing a Titan for GP102 and marketing it for both creation and high end gaming. Only reason for a 1080ti would be if AMD pushes Nvidia.
My guess:
1060ti = 970
1070 = 980
1080 = 980ti
Titan = Titan
>>54422367
Just save up extra, is it that hard?
>>54422220
>>54422248
1080ti comes out once amd are about to announce something that's competitive with the 1080 (just like they did with the 980ti)
>>54422405
I'm not actually poor, I'm just greedy
(I have had my current desktop for like 6,5 years now.)
Is the extra money worth the extra performance?
>>54422354
True, but even on the pro side of things you can seldom max out that much VRAM outside of rendering, yet GPU-based renderers are starting to utilize methods to make RAM a less-relevant characteristic by loading in content dynamically.
If I were building a workstation for 3D graphics, is sooner get two 980 Ti's over a single Titan X and enjoy the benefits of having good viewport and rendering performance at the same time, or half my render times. If you're not being silly with texture sizes (the industry is heading towards procedural textures anyway), even 6GB is a pretty decent amount.
If you're working for a big studio, hardware is the least of your concerns since you have a tap into a whole server room of GPUs, which are going to be Teslas and not Titans anyway.
>>54422204
once polaris lands and go for price/perf crown they can "lower" the prices.
jews gonna jew
>>54422338
>>54422357
>>54422393
Its all sales strategy
all the big spenders want something better than their current 980's, thats why 1080 comes out first
then later in june the 1070 for ppl with less budget
then later when you cant decide to buy the 1070 or fork more money for the 1080, they will release the 1080ti so its more compeling, and also get ppl to finally upgrade from 980ti/sli
the 1060 comes next for "poor" saps that want to get onto the 1000 bandwagon
and finally 1 year later the 1050 will show up for poor saps to finally get on track just when the 1100 is about to be released
the cycle repeats
>>54422204
Not only that, the true flagships today are xx80ti. The 980 and 1080 of today are like the 570s back then.
>>54422461
Nah that'd be the 1070.
>>54422204
Am I the only one who thinks nvidia's naming scheme with all those stupid people names, arbitrary numbers and arbitrary suffixes is fucking annoying and needlessly confusing/non-linear?
>>54422219
>2.1ghz on stage, so the performance should be insane no matter what
The FX 9590 hits 5GHz out of the box, so that makes it the best CPU on the market, right? :^)
>so it runs as cool as it looks.
DROPPED
>>54424137
yes
excuse me, but.
what is the point of squuze extra few fps for hundreds of dollars?
what is the point of this greedy consumer electronics?
>>54424208
>squuze extra few fps
>few
I'm still running a 660 my nigga
>>54422204
And don't forget that they will apparently try to leech another $100 from people who will want one on the launch day, because only the "Funders Edition" will be available then: http://anandtech.com/show/10304/nvidia-announces-the-geforce-gtx-1080-1070/2
>>54424238
I'm still frying eggs on my gtx 285
Don't feel like buying novidya right now though.
>16nm
>>54424279
Fucking jews
>>54424556
>not wanting to be an Nvidia Funder
Who /arctic islands/ here?
>>54424616
Nobody
First come, first serve.
AMD has nothing to show off.
>>54424501
>used to have 2x 480s in SLI
>they eventually died
>didn't cause any fires
>>54424501
16nm is actually more efficient than 14nm.
>>54424694
source or didn't happen
>>54422219
>AMD openly stated they won't be competing with the 1070/1080
Do you have a source for that? That sounds like bullshit and would be absolutely terrible news.
>>54424723
http://www.techgrapple.com/apple-a9-14nm-vs-16nm-performance-test-with-iphone-6s/
Amd is the housefire again. I really hope they have something up their sleeve.
guys im gonna buy the 1070, how many years will i be able to play new games at max sets?
>>54424746
like 6 months
>>54424756
This has been said a thousand times here but I'll say it again. Using the performance of very small die SoCs as an indication of how a large die GPU will perform is only mildly better than baseless speculation.
>>54424783
What? WHAT?!? Did you reply to the wrong person?
>>54422219
>AMD openly stated they won't be competing with the 1070/1080
really now, when?
>>54424756
That was not conclusive enough study.
Also it was not about the current processes, but about the alpha 14LPE and alpha 16FF that both the companies made for mobile chips whose wanker makers can't wait for the technology to be ready (Samsung 14LPP and TSMC 16FF+ are the real deal).
>>54424848
Ah okay, Didnt know that. Sauce?
>>54424746
>that sounds like bullshit
Kek, you AMDtards are really delusional.
AMD has stated that they aim for lowend/midrange market with Polaris 11/10.
Vega is gonna be the highend cards.
AMD is releasing a card that is supposedly on par with the current 980 TI except for $300.
1070/1080 is faster than 980/980TI but it's going to cost $600 ($800 in Sweden where I live).
nope I'm going with AMD because it's cheaper and I don't care about high settings on video games.
>>54424917
Stephen one to trolling is being consistent. Going from "they're not going to compete on the high end" to "they're releasing a separate part for the high end segment" is not going to fool or irritate anyone. If you're not a troll and just another (very stupid) anon replying to my post then you seriously need to work on your reading comprehension.
>>54422400
>1070 = 980
>1080 = 980ti
Lol no, look at the graph
A 980ti does not perform 70% better than a 980.
The 1080 will definately shit on the 980ti, the real question is, will the 1070 match the 980ti
>bought 970 month ago
>can't return it
>>54424942
>1070/1080 is faster than 980/980TI but it's going to cost $600 ($800 in Sweden where I live).
You need to stop comparing prices directly because Americans don't include moms or sales tax as they call it on the price they display. Means you always pay more than the price that's shown.
>>54425011
Stupid people get what they deserve
>>54424869
Well, for the first statment, the difference in battery life was reported as 3%, but it was not an average from a big sample and it is within the margin of error, basically. Also it is only data for one implementation on both process and it was not probably fully synthetised without additional macros, changes and tuning, so you don't know if these implementations are equally successful and optimised.
As for the chips being 14LPE and 16FF, the production of the apple thingy started too early for them to be 16FF+ and 14LPP. There is also no data that would suggest the latter, so the former are better bet.
>>54424996
No. In terms of flops it's superior to 980 but inferior to titanium.
>>54425044
Flops doesn't translate 1 on 1 to performance
>>54425011
I specifically built new computer based on i7 6700 and used old GPU to wait for new ones to come out.
>>54422204
Because a titan x was $1200 and it's more powerful than that, for literally half the price
>>54425050
No they don't. But that's all we have at the moment nigga.
>>54425011
just wait for 1170 which hopefully will have HBM2
>>54425011
if it's an evga gta 970, you can use the step up program and get a 1070 for $80+ shipping
>>54425068
>But that's all we have at the moment nigga.
That's all we have apart from the CEO of NVIDIA literally saying the 1070 will outperform the Titan X yesterday.
>>54425075
HBM2 only makes sense with absolute high end enthusiasts cards which pander to 60fps+ at 4K resolution.
>>54425024
It depends on where you buy it from, for instance if I buy my card off newegg then I don't have to pay sale tax, how it works in florida. If an internet business doesn't have a brick and mortar store in the state, customer's don't have to pay sales tax
>>54425079
i live in a 3 world contry (poland)
Feels nice not to care about games and just use whatever Radeons are integrated in the CPU for MadVR, when one sees these sums flying around and people dealing with the upgrades.
>>54425117
I was simplifying a very complex issues for an anon who was probably unaware of the it. I'm aware of the loopholes but if I'm not mistaken there are steps being taken to close them.
>>54425133
Pretty much, I'm probably going to build a new PC with an apu when Zen comes out, fuck buying a graphics card
>>54425133
>>54425184
This, i dont really play games anymore
>>54425120
Holy fuck 970 is enough to play all the new games that will appear on 1080p on high or medium settings, get the fuck out of here with your bitching
>inb4 2K, 4K meme resolutions
>inb4 muh need to max out everything all the time
>>54425203
>>54425208
Poorfags spotted
>>54422204
when you've been cucked so much you just take it.
I may get an 1080.
Any confirmed/rumored prices in Pound Sterling?
Google Conversion puts it at around £415, so with Tax it should be around £450, right?
>>54425133
>implying you can use nnedi with an igpu
>>54425214
Shillposter spotted
>>54425133
>Feels nice not to care about games
Yet you still watch shitty chinese cartoons.
Top KEK.
>>54425184
>>54425203
>>54424169
>buy 1080
>finds out it's not running at 2.1jiggahurts
>can't even overcock it to that speed without burning down the house
>>54425243
Let the fire burn, let the fire burn, let the fire burn, let the motherfucker burn
>>54425214
#StandWithIsrael
When will the non-reference cards show up?
>>54425228
Not a big deal, I don't like much what it can do with unlucky content and for edges where it is good I don't see it being that important (I dealt with it a lot due to encoding, where you use it to antialias). IMHO sticking with jinc3ar is best.
I didn't experiment with the new things added after that (superres etc), but I'm generally the type that prefers high quality natural look without "enhancements", so the appeal of such things is limited for me.
>>54425267
Settle down Ahmed.
>>54424746
AMD said Polaris is mainstream, because they want to increase the market for VR (supposedly) and that a high-end product wouldn't do that.
>I don't think Nvidia is going to do anything to increase the TAM, because according to everything we've seen around Pascal, it's a high-end part. I don't know what the price is gonna be, but let's say it's as low as £500/$600 and as high as £800/$1000. That price range is not going to expand the TAM for VR. We're going on the record right now to say Polaris will expand the TAM. Full stop.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/amd-polaris-will-be-a-mainstream-gpu/
They didn't specifically say anything about 1070 and 1080, because those weren't announced at that time, but at this point it's essentially certain that they will not compete with the 1080 at least. 1070 maybe since that's $380 and I believe they mentioned a $300-something price point too, but we don't know. It's incredibly disappointing to me, especially since I own a 4K FreeSync monitor.
>>54422204
dude 10% dollar inflation lboa
>>54425279
Hahahaha xD well trolled
>>54425011
lmao good thing I listened to /g/ instead
I've been using Nvidia most of my life, even since MX200.
But I stopped giving shit about having the top graphical fidelity in vidya, so I think I'm gonna go for ATI this year. In the best price/performance range.
This coupled with beast of a i7 should be more than enough.
>>54425093
>1070 will outperform the Titan X
You mean 1080?
Inb4 400W FuryX rebrand with peltier cooling.
lolAMD
>>54425447
>using an i7 with a low-end card
>>54425504
Yes, this allows to play every game at 60 fps, with reduced graphics.
Also not really low end, top mid end.
>>54425504
What's the problem?
You know not everything is videogames right?
>tfw I nearly fell for the amd 390 meme last week
Good thing I waited out to see these new cards.
>>54425474
No, last night on stream they said that the 1080 is supposedly much faster and that the 1070 will also outperform a Titan X (by a much lower margin, presumably).
Realistically I expect the 1080 to be 20-30% faster in real-world games and the 1070 to be pretty much equivalent to a Titan X.
>>54425583
>350$
>699$
Yes you sure did lad
>>54422204
>Why is everyone saying the GTX1080's $600 pricetag is reasonable/less-than-expected?
Because the US dollar is worth half today compared to what it was worth 15 years ago.
>>54425011
>Bought 970
>Bought 2nd 970
>Used BIOS mod to up TDP to 155% up from 105%
>~40% performance boost
I have mixed feelings.
If I could feed them at nearly 1.25kW I would up it to 200% and let them burn.
Maxwell is tanky but power starved for efficiency.
>>54425610
Thete was a 10-15% difference between the 970 and 980 so if expect there to be a similar performance gap with the new cards. We'd probably be looking at a 1080 being 30%~ faster than a titan x and the 1070 will be 10-15% slower than the 1080 which will put it at 15-20%~ faster than a titan x. I expect the 1060 to be at 980 performance with the rumoured 1060 ti to be at titan x performance.
>>54424636
>AMD has nothing to show off.
They already showed off Polaris10 running Hitman in 1440k at 60fps on ultra while using something like 100W only.
If that card ends up between 2-300$ and isn't longer than 25cm then it'll be the perfect card for me.
>>54422204
> 980Ti/TitanX have 336 GB/s bandwidth
> 1080 has 320 GB/s
> 1080 is dramatically faster than last gen.
how the fuck can people not at least have serious skepticism about Nvidia's claims?
there will certainly be some things (compute bound?) that are strongly improved, but these cards look completely bandwidth bottlenecked to me.
>>54425625
>$370 1070
>20% faster than a titan x
>$350 390
>20% slower than a titan x
No.
>>54425698
Sure, that could happen, but this time the 1080 has much faster VRAM too since the 1070 doesn't get GDDR5X, the difference could be greater.
>>54425730
>only comparing memory bandwidth
Yeah sure, lets not look at the die shrink and architectural improvements
how can the 1070 be only 350 and be faster than the titan x which is 1000$?
>>54425755
The vram shouldn't really have an affect at lower resolutions but at 4k and beyond we will probably see the 1080 pull away from the 1070 by quite a margin.
>>54425773
That's a great point, I mean how can an Xbox one be faster than a Atari when they cost about the same at launch?
>>54424773
.5 years :^)
>>54425737
$450 for the 1070 (Funders edition).
$380 in 4 months, once AMD comes out with their own cards.
>>54425805
Kek
>>54425730
Comparing cards by VRAM bandwidth alone is pretty much as dumb as comparing them by VRAM capacity. You don't even know if/how bandwidth starved a 980 Ti is, but we can at least see that a Fury X with HBM1 doesn't really catch up to a 980Ti, especially when a core OC is involved.
>>54425773
Titan X (and every other Titan ever) is an overpriced piece of shit meant for retards who throw out money with no research and simply buy whatever there is at the top.
>>54425803
Yeah I was thinking of 4K.
>Got a GTX 980 Ti not too long ago.
>Decided I would sell it if it seemed like the 1080 was a OK upgrade.
>Just announced and is coming out pretty quickly.
>Getting a massive paycheck soon from contract IT work. Combined with the amount I will be getting from selling the 980 Ti, it should cost me fairly little.
Fuck it, I am going for it.
got a evga 960 this month, my 750ti was feeling dated in certain games.
ty based step up plan. Will submit a step up for the 1080 on may 27th and patiently wait.
>>54425680
What are you getting from this? Except for bigger numbers.
>>54424942
>nope I'm going with AMD because it's cheaper
lol I love amd mad poorfags
>>54425862
>mfw I bought a 980Ti on February 28th
>mfw submitting a step up on May 27th as well
>>54425905
He's a swecuck. What do you expect from him.
I've got an r290 and an i5 4440.
Which should I upgrade first?
>>54424942
>AMD is releasing a card that is supposedly on par with the current 980 TI except for $300.
I highly fucking doubt it.
Leaks about the die size so far suggest it is much too small for that.
>>54425838
>Comparing cards by VRAM bandwidth alone is pretty much as dumb as comparing them by VRAM capacity.
no, but you comment is about as dumb as comparing cards by VRAM capacity alone.
Do you seriously think that Maxwell was so unbalanced a card that nvidia needed to cut bandwidth by 5% while boosting shader power by 50%?
Some games will clearly be improved, but many will not be helped at all or potentially even get minutely worse.
>>54425960
You should stop being a whore.
Hey, I could need help. I want to build a new rig, because my pc right now is probably older than the sphinx (pre build mid range 2008/9), I want it futureproof. So I want to buy a 380/390 or the new 1070. (+skylake ddr4) living in germany. So how long would I need to wait, and what about the price ranges of the 1070?
>>54425969
Based on their statements, it's gotta be signifcantly better than a 970 for significantly under $600.
>>54425659
That is objectively false.
>>54425883
CUDA support for my C# dev application, okay linux drivers and dual GPU for passthrough, can push 144Hz to my main screen, 32 samples of AA.
>>54424746
>would be absolutely terrible news
It wouldn't, because the $500+ GPU market is absolutely tiny in volume.
According to some AMD slides from years ago, something like 70% of the GPU market is in the $150 to $300 range. That's where they want Polaris in.
Similarly, the 1080 is an almost irrelevant product for Nvidia in terms of volume. The 1070 is a vastly more important GPU. And a future 960, maybe around $250, even more so.
People on /g/ just tend to forget how tiny and irrelevant the high-end market is.
>>54426018
That's not exactly what they said, they said it would be a much cheaper option for entry level VR, which is 970/390.
not giving a shit. i oly care about 1070 for 379
i was going to build a pc this summer with 970 and a i5 4690K 3.5GHz but now i think im gonna go with the 1070, will it work with a i5 4690K 3.5GHz?
>>54426132
It only works with amd cpu
>>54426132
No it will only work with a 4690k at 3.6 ghz
>>54426109
>they said it would be a much cheaper option for entry level VR, which is 970/390.
I don't consider that VR-level, considering the performance is unplayable in most games. But hell, maybe AMD does.
>>54426152
I said entry level VR, and those cards are definately entry level VR
>>54426144
fuck off
I certainly wouldn't pay $600 for a GPU. I think $350-400 would be my limit for that sort of thing. $500 would really be pushing it.
If I want a 4K monitor, do I need one of these if I d on't really play games, but I want to be able to? I can buy the 1080 at that pricepoint but is it necessary?
>>54425978
No, I believe that the incredibly good in-game performance boosts a 980 Ti sees across the board from core, not VRAM OC clearly shows that in practice the card is in fact not bottlenecked by its available memory bandwidth.
>>54425939
desu evga has never let me down. top notch customer service for sure. step up is based. ill be checking that step up page quite a bit come the 26th/27th. Want to be one of the first people in queue.
>>54426188
If you want to play games at 4K you need all the performance you can get.
>>54426202
What is that step up program?
You send your old card plus some cash for the new card?
poorfag here . stoke don 1070. feels good dropping 350ish for something rich fags spent 700 on and better . hehe
>>54422204
It's almost as if there was this thing called inflation... wwwwwooooooowwwww
>>54426225
There are people who spend $700 on a product that retails for $350?
>>54426218
you could have googled that question into google, i's do it for u though dawg.
http://www.evga.com/support/stepup/
You just register your evga card within 2 weeks of purchase. Then you've got 90 days from date of purchase to swap it in for a better card/pay the difference. It's legit. Have done it once before.
I still can play every games on my GTX670. I want to upgrade to a 1070 but when I realize that new AAA games are shit I think I can wait.
>>54426247
90 days only, oh nvm
just get a 980 when the price drops, you will be good for 4 years, then go for 1080, easy peasy
>>54426184
Don't be mad at me that you're so stupid and don't even google your stupid questions
sooo, when will we see $200 polaris cards?
WHEN THE FUCK WILL THEY RELEASE CARDS?!
come the fuck on AMD, i am a poorfag.
i need a GPU right now.
>>54426322
June
>>54426336
any source?
Do you think a pawn shop will buy my Geforce GTX 970 for at least $100?
I bet some nigger would think it was like a personal desktop fan.
>>54426375
pawn shop? just sell it on fucking ebay/craigslist or the million other trade forums
Tired of marketing and self-identification with hardware, OCD circle jerk
Just release full pascal by 2017 or earlier, gonna use titan x for physx
How much worse will the 1070 be compared to the 1080?
I bought my EVGA GTX 970 on Feb 8th.
There's a 90 day window for the Step Up program.
Am I fucked?
non reference cards when
>>54426602
Yes
>>54426602
>GTX970
I'm so sorry to hear that. You fucked up really bad. I'd call your mom and tell her what you did if I were you.
>>54422426
>current desktop for 6.5 years
You may need to upgrade the rest of your hardware for the 1070 or 1080 to even give you a proper boost.
>>54426811
It's like they new when the new cards would be coming out.
>>54426811
Well I'm within the cut off, but the highest available "step up" GPU is the one I own. 04G-P4-3975-KR.
I have a bad feeling that these cards will have a big demand/supply problem.
who /waitingforblackfirdaytopickupa1070onthecheap/ here?
>>54425287
Taking a cursory glance at the rumour mill, it looks like neither Vega or GTX 1070/1080 will be launching this year and both will be launched later. Not really surprising and not really disappointing. Not seeing anything to declare either company as finished here.
>>54422204
i think you got it wrong mate
what you saw yesterday was a paper launch of founders cards...
they said also (twice) may 27 launch and general market avail 10 june but only for FOUNDERS cards
the numbers you saw everything was only for them and they are a refrence highly OC'ed version
desu we dont know nothing about the normal ones
even the numbers (perf/tflop/watt) couldnt add up to the x2 they claimed (it was close to 1.7xx )
>>54425698
>Thete was a 10-15% difference between the 970 and 980 so if expect there to be a similar performance gap with the new cards.
Is that really a good clue?
- GTX 1070 only has 80% of the bandwidth of GTX 1080 (there was not this big a difference between 980 and 970, except the 3,5GB con that was not really affecting the benchmarks when it was new)
- GTX 1070 only has 72 % of the shader and texture throughput (you can infer that from the TFLOPS ratings) that 1080 has.
The performance drop will be significantly worse than 10-15 % IMHO.
>>54427341
I reckon it will be about 20%, that puts it somewhere around stock 980ti speeds
>>54425969
This is what people said about the 4870, I remember it explicitly. People talking about how a 256mm2 die couldn't hope to compete with a 576mm2 die
Then it came out for $300 and it was only 10% under the 280. They had to halt production of the 260 to make a 260 216 edition, and drop the price of the 280 from $600 to $400 two weeks after launch.
>>54422293
Wasn't there a big GPU shortage sometime in the late 2000s? I remember Newegg couldn't stock them to save their life and all the prices spiked (I forced myself to think $270 was cheap for an HD 5850).
>>54426375
Perhaps. Somewhere like CEX probably will if you feel like getting jewed. Better yet, sell it yourself on eBay, bigger market and buyer confidence are worth the eBay/paypal cut.
>>54428018
That was cheap? The 5970 was just two 5870's, and 5950 two 5850's.
The #970 didn't start till the 6970, and the 6950 was only a wee bit over the 5870 in performance.
>>54427945
We shall see, Nvidia has much bigger dies, even with the die shrink and they score about 20% max above the 980ti.
I don't know where you think that performance would magicaly come from in the much smaller dies of AMD
>>54428715
well for starters the ones nvidia showcased are highly oc versions(founders) we dont know how the normal non oc will be
also nvidia claimed x2 eff from the die shrink
and even with that highly oc'ed cards the number dont even add up..(1.7xx)
>>54428766
So that doesn't answer my question, where would the extra performance come from in AMD's case? On smaller dies.
So end of this year nvidia is probably gonna release a Titan and few months later 1080TI
so waiting for a 1080TI might not be a good solution
>>54428786
well people are basing their est from what we saw from the mobile soc's
snapdragon saw a 49% increase from one gen to another on the same chip
and 37% from exynos and all of that from the die shrink alone
also amd introduced power gating tech on the alu's so the base clock doesnt really matter on their case since the alu can be boost to 2ghz depending on the workload...(this is the only thing so far we know for sure about the new amd cards and that because of a patent someone found on the wild some weeks ago)
>>54428856
Those are mobile socs, why the fuck are you comparing them to discrete gpu's?
Two completely different things
>>54428877
not really the die shrink is same for everyone
the uarch changes is something else
overall snapdragon was 80% faster than before and half of that came from the die shrink alone
and now nvidia already showed us the same thing (almost x2 from 28nm) just like we saw it on snapdragon 808 to 810..
no one knows wtf amd will bring on their uarch(afterall koduri said 70% of the eff will come from the die shrink and 30% from their various uarch changes) we are talking only from the die shrink here
>>54425680
>mutli GPU
>gaming
pick one
>>54429154
future consoles along with nintendo nx will have a dual gpu on them...
one discrete and one apu..
its natural that in 1-2 years we will see more and more native cf games
inb4 nvidia uses a hardware lock on the non founders edition so it can't be OCed
>>54429168
>t.adortedtv shill
fuck off. educate yourself before you post.
>>54429168
they said the same after 3dfx started doing that multigpu bullshit
and after nvidia released there GX2
same at 4870x2 etc
so have fun waiting till next year
>>54429168
ye keep telling that yourself
>its natural that in 1-2 years we will see more and more native cf games
people are saying that since 3dfx started this shit with multi gpu
keep dreaming
>>54424169
I'm retarded :^)
>>54427945
that was back when ATI was competent though
>>54422204
Maxwell was older tech, This time around we have not only a smaller fab process, but a newer fab tech (FinFET), AND a new memory tech (GDDR5X), while before people were just doing die shrinks and adding more GDDR5 memory. That on top of the ridiculous performance boost, especially the boost in VR Meme tech (single pass stereo rendering is actually a pretty big deal since before you had to basically have two render passes for each frame) means it's a pretty decent value since not even the $1000 cards from last gen could get that kind of performance.
>>54429199
you really dont know nothing eh...
what scalability on navi means you know? you know that amd recently filled a patent for a gpu without an interposer?having hbm or hmc inside the die removing the need of a controller and for a system with alx.. giving a true gpu to gpu communication on a pcb?
there are a lot of hints out there if you know where too look you dont need any video to spread a propaganda
Any idea when aftermarket coolers will be rolling out?
>>54429486
>i browse reddit
>i browse amd shill forums
nothing will save your beloved amd. not even these nonsense rumors. end yourself
>>54429200
the problem with the current way of multi gpu is the AFR its very problematic because the driver is actually doing a guess work on what to render first..
http://gpuopen.com/amd-crossfire-api/
happy reading on how this will be elliminated
>>54429546
i would ask what is a rumor from anything i wrote but ok i guess you know more
afterall your rebuttal is so rich on facts
>>54429570
why would anyone waste time with facts when deluded shills like you will deny it anyway. think of how stupid you sound when you shills say amd will gain world domination without an effort and intel and nvidia will just sit back without a fight. it's too late for amd to be saved. they're losing market share in the processor and gpu market everyday.
What ever happens no way am I buying into this and falling for their marketing cup tricks and price raping.
Who the fuck buys a reference card?
Wait for the MSI & EVGA versions.
>>54427341
whats that 15% in real world terms? if the game your running is running is 4k and getting 40fps on a 1070 does that mean you'd pay that extra few hundred something to get 6 more fps?
>>54429683
im here waiting do enlight me with your facts
if you have any ofc considering that you just keep bashing me
>>54429789
>facts
where are yours?
>>54428804
^This
Nvidia does this every new line, the really big cards wont be around for awhile and only sucker people to upgrade there mid-high range(by this point) cards.
>>54429848
http://patents.justia.com/patent/9331053
http://patents.justia.com/patent/20160085551
inflation
>>54429760
.....and Ti
>>54429905
how does this factually prove they're releasing gpu next year with multi gpu and in the nx. this is a fucking patent you twat. patents are almost always experimental.
the fucking xbox one controller had like 50 different patents and they only used one.
ill just take your posts as speculation. there is not fact here to prove anything you said. try again.
>>54429964
if you cant read a patent then you have no right to even talk
if its too technical ask me to do a tl dr for you
>>54429984
are amdrones really this thick? are they taking experimental patents as fact now? there is absolutely 0 (zero) evidence any of this will be used within the next year or even ever. until you can provide actual factual sources that the next nintendo console i'll be buying will have this tech then everything you originally said is fully deluded amdrone speculation.
>>54430051
perhaps having images might actually help you
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20160085551.pdf
>>54425583
they'll be the similar price as current 390 when the competitor getting to starting line to actually run but until then it's expensive af.
>>54430086
>asks for proof this is being used in the nintendo nx
>still posts the same experimental patents which aren't guaranteed to be used in anything
clutching at straws
>>54430126
clearly you are incapable of doing any sort of technical discussion
so please get your ill informed ass to another thread that migh be helpfull on being an erratic bitch
>>54430153
>damage controlling this hard
clutching at straws.
>bought a 290 cheap in summer last year
>no fucks to give
Have fun getting memed again nerds
>>54430179
>tfw 290 is now competing with lol3.5 memecard
>tfw Vapor-X master race
>>54430168
yeap thats why you cant even understand the technology lol
poor kid
>>54430198
4 years old chip started with 780ti now is reaching teh 980 almost
>>54430201
>he STILL can't provide factual evidence of this being used in the nintendo nx
>resorts to shitflinging
clutching at straws.
>>54422308
but that's exactly what the 980ti did
>>54425810
kek'd
>>54422204
kek.
>>54422219
This dude is bringing the tears, but he's right. AMD if making the right move. They're aiming to dominated the $100~300 market, and they may just do that, judging by the moves nvidida is making even though it's going to bring the 980TI salt.
>>54431836
I'm poor so I'm buying Polaris
That sounds like falseflagging, doesn't it? Well sadly it's my reality
>>54425011
Same here. At least I guess I'll be able to buy a second 970 for SLI sooner than expected.
>>54425939
>>54425862
That's one of the big thing going for nvidia in my mind. EVGA is top notch, but you do pay for that shit. How is their B stock, might try to grab a cheap 970 or 980 soon f they aren't jews about it.
>>54429168
So off base dude lol. You'll see parallel processors optimized before that shit catches sail.
>tfw still on a 560Ti
>gonna get a 1080
>will finally be able to play the gayms from the last 3 years at comfy settings
I'm excited.
>>54432563
damn anon, I'd be excited af too
grats bruv
>>54429760
What's the problem with reference cards?
>>54422367
If you want it to last longer you can't compromise. Go for the 1080
>>54429760
>msi
Enjoy your "TWIN FROZR MEGA SUPER GAYMER TWIN BLADES COOLER".
I had to mod 2 msi gpus because the fans just died, never again.
>>54422367
1070 is the sweet spot imo, you are better off buying the 1070 and saving that extra cash for a future upgrade 2 gens down the line. No point in buying 1080 unless you want 144fps or you play at 4k and you are the kind of guy that upgrades every gen.
>>54433005
>1070
>not 144 fps
u wot mate?
it's a good fuckin thing I waited and didn't buy a 390
>tfw 7870
going to be a huge upgrade
>>54425265
It's "The roof! The Roof! The roof is one fire! We don't need no water let the motherfucker burn! Burn motherfucker! Burrrrrrrn!"
>1080 only has 1 8pin
How
>>54433717
Power efficiency of the die shrink. It only has 180W TDP
I'm sure 3rd party cards will have extra power delivery for overclocking.
If Nvidia was able to get 2ghz+ off a single 8 pin plug, imagine what more power and better cooling will be able to achieve
