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Is anyone getting one of these?
>ARM
>>54387142
I've been lurking the forums for about a year. I'm considering whether or not to preorder it, or wait to see if the first batch will have any uncaught issues.
>>54387162
Fuck off weeb filth. It has a replaceable CPU board, and an x86 cpu board for it will come out in no time. Also, why the fuck do you need x86 on mobile?
>>54387175
Wait for the GPD WIN instead. It has more RAM and an x86 processor.
>>54387142
smartphones exist, so whats the point?
>>54387162
Saved
>>54387198
chances if you're getting one of these it's not because of the power, but rather the build quality
>>54387190
It'd make much more sense to wait for the gdp win then. No point in buying a piece of shit and then paying more later to make it half usable.
Also the form factor is meant to be for an UMPC and an x86 processor is a requirement especially if you want to run the desktop version of windows (and loonix too).
>>54387162
>memeposting
Fuck off back to /trash/. You fags are the cancer killing /g/. You're worse than arch linux fags.
>>54387198
> It has more RAM
Pyra has 4GB now.
GPD has a horrible keyboard, a capacitive screen which means no precision. It will be a pain to install linux on it, the hardware is not upgradable, the case is absolute shit made out of horrible chink plastic and the possible internal storage is laughable.
>>54387240
How is the Pyra upgradable?
>>54387249
>We want to make sure you will be able to use your Pyra for a long, long time.
>That's why we built it in a modular way, with three PCBs:
>
>* The CPU-Board (CPU, RAM and storage)
>* The Mainboard (all ports, Wifi and Bluetooth)
>* The Display-Board
>
>If a more recent CPU becomes you don't need to buy a completely new unit, but only a CPU board and replace it.
From the official website. The CPU board has RAM and GPU on it as well.
>>54387142
Wow, never seen or heard of this, will definitely keep a look out for this.
>330,00 €
>>54387240
Pyra is also more expensive
4GB RAM/64GB internal + microsd slot GDP WIN is $330 btw. You can pre-order one for that amount right now but shipping won't start until October 2016 though.
~$700 for the 2GB RAM pyra?!
topkek
>>54387272
I guess I'll look forward to upgrading it
>* Pyra Standard Edition, 2GB RAM: 500 EUR without VAT (=595 EUR incl. VAT)
>* Pyra Standard Edition, 4GB RAM: 529,41 EUR without VAT(=630 EUR incl. VAT)
>* Pyra Mobile Edition, 2GB RAM: 600 EUR without VAT(=714 EURincl. VAT)
>* Pyra Mobile Edition, 4GB RAM: 626,05 EUR without VAT(=745 EUR incl. VAT)
DOA
O
A
>>54387335
>what is a niche audience
>>54387346
Very very few people would want this turd. You know the shitty angry birds processor is a dual-core? Even $30 android phones have better processors than this joke.
>>54387335
>>54387369
Well that sucks. Got excited over nothing.
>>54387369
It's true, phone hardware has surpassed this device easily. But I can't run debian on a $30 phone without massive problems
RIP in Peace, iControlPad 2
The only thing I'd ever need
>>54387411
So you're okay with paying ~$700 if it means you can run debian on a portable devoce despite it literally having worse performance than $30 android phones?
I thought /g/ was full of autists not retards.
>>54387441
Except it won't have worse performance.
>>54387441
I'm probably not going to get one friendo, but to say that a $30 phone does everything this device can do would be stupid, and I've seen niche devices sell for a lot more than this one.
>>54387335
They already have 500 preorders + 200 pre-preorders
>>54387461
It literally will. 2 * A15 ARM cores running at 1.5 GHz will have ~60% the performance of 4 * A53 cores running at 1.2 GHz found on $30 android phones.
>>54387441
Autists are the biggest retards, the person you're responding to has dumb points and is not very competent but are you seriously questioning the point of this device?
If you don't understand why this device is expensive(small market so they can't secure tons of preorders, etc) then you're pretty dumb and should stop posting your opinions.
>>54387479
I get the feeling they're lying about how many pre-orders they got. I just don't see who would buy one.
>>54387501
>Autists are the biggest retards, the person you're responding to has dumb points and is not very competent but are you seriously questioning the point of this device?
Not really. Autists pay attention to detail and are less likely to be ripped off than most people. What's the point of this device? It's has less performance than $30 android phones and can't run x86 linux distros.
>If you don't understand why this device is expensive(small market so they can't secure tons of preorders, etc) then you're pretty dumb and should stop posting your opinions.
But the price that they are asking is for one batfuck insane. I get that not many will order one but still man ~$700?!
>>54387491
It's all about software. Have you tried switching from xp to some linux distribution on some old laptop? The difference between android and optimized debian will be even greater.
>>54387553
>can't run x86 linux distros.
wut. This is not a problem, you can get most distros for ARM with ease.
I'm not that guy, I agree that it's too expensive. I'd rather chroot debian onto an android phone.
>>54387519
They are not, check out the forums.
>>54387553
You've clearly never met anyone with Autism and subsequently have no clue what typically defines someone as "autistic" outside of internet memes.
>What's the point of this device?
To be a UMPC, and it has really good build quality. Sure it is lacking in power but for what most people will use it for it's going to work just fine especially with many software optimizations.
Even if you need it to be more powerful than it is they've very cleverly made it so upgrading to a more powerful CPU etc will be possible.
>But the price that they are asking is for one batfuck insane. I get that not many will order one but still man ~$700?!
If they could they would make it lower, the reason companies can mass produce shit for cheap and therefore be able to lower the price is because they can guarantee selling fuckloads of units.
>>54387553
>But the price that they are asking is for one batfuck insane. I get that not many will order one but still man ~$700?!
You obviously don't know much about production. Read this: https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/how-to-calculate-a-price-for-the-pyra.73755/
I want one of these bad boys.
What's the best lil' mini computer like these to get?
>>54387701
Pyra Standard Edition, 4GB RAM for 529,41 EUR
Unless you live in EU you won't have to pay VAT.
For those wondering.
>>54388474
>Programming
>Disgusting tiny screen
Why would you do that to yourself, why not just get a laptop.
>>54387142
Well, despite the dragon in its name, it uses OMAP.
>>54387653
>Sure it is lacking in power but for what most people will use it for
what will they use it for?
Which one will be better for gaming?
>>54387142
> No fixed release date
Seems cool, but there's no way in telling when its actually going to be released.
>>54388733
They have several fully functioning prototypes. Should ship in August/September. They are not setting a release date because they don't want the shit storm if they found some issue they have to fix at the last moment.
>>54388686
Emulators, SSH-ing on the go, shitposting, watching youtube, listening to music, programming, etc.
>>54388725
Gpd win. But pyra is better for almost everything else.
>>54388867
Yeah but the price difference is fucking huge.
>>54388867
Pyra is better for emulation and the controls are much better on it.
If you plan to only play pc games get Gpd. Much better for this and cheaper.
If you have the money for it get a pyra.
>>54388886
If you want emulation then get the android gpd xd. It's quite powerful for its cheap price.
>>54388949
It's not as powerful as the pyra or the GPD WIN though
Of course I'm getting it. It's literally a freedom dream!
>>54388809
All of those done worse than a phone.
>>54389104
Yes, but for emulation only other thing they can emulate is gamecube and maybe ps2.
>>54387142
not at these ridiculous prices m8.
>>54387142
Getting one, got the dosh to spare, looks like a decent device for what I want it to do (emulation, on the go system administration)
>>54387198
I have alot of concerns with the GPD Win, it seems like they're trying to milk off the Pandora/Pyra by offering a device that is impossible to give with any decent performance by the price point. Surely a device with those features is going to cost alot more to manufacture?
>>54389104
The GDP Win is literally housefire and the specs are not high enough to make it viable to PS2 or Gamecube emulation. So It's as good as the Pyra, save for playing low-tier PC games, which the Pyra can also do - but only if notaz and ptitseb port them. I personally prefer that, because the Pyras OS respects my freedom and the ports are really really well optimized for the given hardware.
https://repo.openpandora.org/?page=detail&app=xash3d_ptitseb
https://repo.openpandora.org/?page=detail&app=package.diablo2
https://repo.openpandora.org/?page=detail&app=serioussam1_ptitseb
https://repo.openpandora.org/?page=detail&app=jediacademy_ptitseb
https://repo.openpandora.org/?page=detail&app=rtcw_ptitseb
etc etc
>>54389373
Gpd runs on a cheap intel atom. Theres already lots of these tablets at the 100-200 dollar range so their price of 300 is achievable.
>>54389389
Not to mention the Pyra is a lot better in terms of usability for anything besides gaming. I can't even imagine the struggle of using Winmeme10 with all its spyware glory as my mobile daily driver. And don't tell me to install Gnu+Linux on a baytrail soc. It's impossible and we all know it.
>>54389397
Finally, the price is what you have to pay for freedom. The Pyra is made in Germany and built from custom, premium parts. The software is entirely free as in freedom and the hardware is as free as it gets. If that's not worth the +250€ compared to the GDP Win then I don't know what is.
t. Schlomo Goldstein, Senior Shilling Officer for the DragonBox Company.
>>54387142
Its an interesting device for sure, but its stuck in a bad spot.
Purely due to its price, even if its an amazing device if no-one buys it it will remain a niche.
Which is a shame really, id like more of these devices being made.
>>54389331
The only phone with hardware game controls that I know of is the Xperia Play. Touch screen controls for emulators suck nuts, the games weren't designed to be played that way.
Few phones now have hardware keyboards. Go back in time far enough and you'll get something with similar specs to the Pyra
>>54387142
5" screen is smaller than my phone, and that's too small. Something like 6.3" with good panel would be nice for entertainment purposes.
Otherwise it's kind of sort of neat idea.
>>54387142
I really fucking want one but I would have to not eat for the next couple of weeks. Hopefully there are enough preorders to let me just buy one later.
Can I install Windows 10 on pyra
>>54389683
Yes.
>>54389683
Of course, good friend! Pre-order now to have your favorite Microsoft certified Windows 10™ device ready in a few months!
>>54387319
Um no actually $565 without VAT
>>54389712
>>54389728
You mean windows rt?
>>54389728
I know you're being a sarcastic little bitch boy but I'm not looking to run Linux on this when all my programs work on Windows.
>>54389712
thanks anon.
>>54389787
You can only run Windows RT and applications that were compiled with ARM in mind, so pretty much none you use regularly.
>>54389751
With qemu, everything is possible :P. But there's also Exagear+WINE, which should be pretty usable. The OMAP5 supports VMs BTW, so you can run multiple Android/WinRT instances without Performance penalties.
People who buy into this sort of thing are the same idiots that brought into the Ouya kickstart.
>Nexus 10 processor
>resistive screen
>720p
>$900 United States Dollars
>Q4 2017 release date
L-LOL?
>>54389830
I'm you to either get the Pyra or GPD WIN because I'm homeless and it would be nice to get a little pocket computer to do my work in.
>>54387142
Look like the old Pandora handheld that was been throw around during the PSP homebrew era.
Is it the same people?
>>54389787
>but I'm not looking to run Linux on this when all my programs work on Windows.
then you better buy something else, pal
>>54389850
It's EvilDragon but no longer Craig (because he was jewing too much)
what are you guys even going to do on this? Code? Otherwise a smartphone does everything better
>>54389884
Everything.
>>54389884
>smartphone
>do anything
Nah mate.
>>54389884
>coding with your thumb on that shit tier tv remote button tier keyboard
>>54389894
>>54389899
Name what you can do that's better. Otherwise this is just a dumb investment.
>>54389933
Doing Real work, not play shitty Angry Birds and Facebook shittery.
>>54387142
514 preorders in 4 days.
>>54389949
>Doing real work
>On a tiny ass keyboard and screen
you fucking idiot
>>54389842
>I'm homeless and it would be nice to get a little pocket computer
hahahahahahahahah, And you're the exact type of dumbass that would throw his money away at stupid shit.
>>54389830
Ouya marketed itself as some kind of game changer in a heavily competitive and extremely expensive industry.
The Pyra just aims to be sustainable in a niche of enthusiasts. If more than 5000 of these end up getting produced, they will call it a success, believe me.
All you guys shouting that the Pyra is DOA and will never make huge sales are kind of missing the point. Or at least you're thinking too big.
We're talking about a team that has intentionally NOT made any kind of advertising when starting the preorders just so that the community forum members can get first in line. It's crazy.
>>54387142
Me.
Gonna replace my smartphone with that. My plan is to buy the standard edition + a dumbphone for 20 € or something.
Can you change to x86 since you can upgrade the parts? If it's just arm I'm not interested.
>>54389960
Don't forget it has ARM, so there is pretty much nothing productive ported for it.
>>54387207
not crippled android
real desktop linux
real keyboard
real usb ports
cpu can be changed easily
changeble battery
smartphones are degenerative computers. This is a real computer for the pocket.
>>54389933
Playing Games /Emulation with real Gaming Controls, surfing the Web with an Desktop-Class Browser, Libreoffice, Coding, SSH/Mosh -ing, Replacing my Laptop and Phone and having it with me all the time.
>>54389953
600 when counting the Pre-PreOrders
>>54389988
Give the community some time to come up with a phone software and you might be able to replace your phone with a Bluetooth headset
>>54389978
>If more than 5000 of these end up getting produced, they will call it a success, believe me.
I believe you, with that kind of price, they must have at least 300€ of profit itself per unit, so 1.5m € in the pocket would be very nice for them.
>>54389978
>The Pyra just aims to be sustainable in a niche of enthusiasts.
More like a niche for suckers who have too much money to throw around.
>>54390030
This
>>54390030
>stop enjoying things
>>54390015
Phones have real games, can request desktop sites, have real Microsoft Office, with Coding Environments and SSH apps all available.
The only "advantage" is the TV Remote-tier keyboard that feels worse than a on-screen keyboard to type on.
>>54389836
>resistive screen
Does your Smartphone have Pressure Sensitivity, anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66RBfrBgL2E
>Q4 2017
This year
>>54390002
I doubt it, most of the benefits of this is the arm
optimised software.
>>54390026
Nah, the markup can't be that big. Someone linked a post from EvilDragon explaining how the price comes together.
Most of it really comes down to the small scale production and the heavily custom nature of it.
>>54390044
Apple has their shit devices to sell to you, the fagboys say they're fun and they cost even more than the Pyra, absolute perfection according to your logic.
>>54387162
>wants to use Windows
Instead of a smart phone, I use a fart phone. Cheaper. I'll blow a fart in your stupid gaping mind via your stupid gaping mouth. Think of this!- your thoughts are my farts!
>>54390067
More like wants to use proper desktop applications? If the whole point of it is laptop in your pocket, it would be nice to use the same thing you use on your laptop. And no, some shitty ARM port of "popular" distro with 0,5% marketshare with almost no apps, because developers of desktop apps don't give a fuck about your shitty ARM.
>>54387235
>the cancer killing /g/
People are saying this since years.
It doesn't seem like /g/ is dying.
>>54390047
Except the N900 was fucking shit and the resistive screen made the entire screen grainy.
And since this garbage will be resistive as well I'm sure it'll be grainy shit like all resistive screens.
>pressure sensitivity
Resistive screens don't have pressure sensitivity, it's either 0 or 100. If I wanted to draw I'd get myself a 4 year old Wacom enabled Note 3 for $100 with much better specs and 256 levels of actual pressure sensitivity.
>>54390047
Yep. The Note 1 & 2 also has the best community support out of all ARM phones other than the HTC HD2. Wacom digitizer for serious Pen use and regular capacitive input for times when you just want to use it real quick. Resistive is in the zone of suck which isn't good for quick usage and doesn't even come close to Wacom.
I want pyra shills to leave
What's up with the shitty button order on the gamepad part? Why didn't they just use the Microsoft or Nintendo ordering instead of making their own? Also, does anyone know if its recognized as a /dev/js?
>>54390107
I actually had an Note 2 and that Wacom Pen was Shit. It only had half of the Scteen's resolution and the Tip was wiggling around.
>>54390095
They have. Pandora's had 16 Presure Levels.
>>54390203
Weird, they rated at 1000lpi. My Note 1 N7000 had no such issue, even in Custom ROMs.
Here's a good question. Will I be able to install Android on it?
>>54390223
Literally why?
can this gysmo be used as a phone?
>>54390223
>>54390232
This. But you most likely can if you want to.
The pandora could manage gingerbread if i recall correctly.
>>54390091
Not to mention Binary Blobs as well. Freedom my fucking ass.
At least the GPD would get updates for the at least the next 5 years since it's basically a PC with a compliant 64bit UEFI. You're at the GPU and Wifi manufacturers mercy for the Pyra. BayTrail and CherryTrail has orders of manitude higher amounts of tinkerers compared to the Pyra community working on Linux compatibility with Baytrail mostly worked out already.
>>54390223
Yes. That's also allready possible with the Pandora. You could even install it in an VM. And have both Debian and Android running at the Same Time.
>>54390223
>picked hardware that already had drivers written by Google
What do you think
>>54390223
Just look for an Android netbook on eBay.
>>54390012
In theory you can run any operating system you want on a smartphone, though I agree it's not as accessible.
The keyboard is a fair point, but you can get smartphones with keyboards as well.
Pretty much all smartphones have "real usb ports", you just have to use an adapter.
The cpu might be changeable, but it's unlikely you will ever get even close to the performance of a modern smarthphone.
Many smartphones also come with replacable batteries.
It's a cool project, but it's inferior to a smartphone in most categories desu senpai
>>54390232
>>54390244
>>54390247
>>54390251
>>54390264
I was just thinking about making Android compatible with it for fun tinkering around with it. Would be a nice project if it's possible.
>>54390270
Again, why? The point of the Pyra is that it's a small device that doesn't run Android.
>>54390287
Because in the real world, Android is a lot more useful than a desktop OS in a handheld environment. Unless you like to torture yourself with a TV Remote-tier keyboard.
>>54390268
I have an Xperia Mini Pro. The Keyboard lacks many special Characters, the "real USB Port " lacks Drivers and Linux in an Chroot is very limited.
>>54387142
I cannot afford it right now, but I am thinking about buying a 100€ gift voucher each month so that I can save up for it over time (without taking the risk of having 700€ to spend on something with a higher Wife Acceptance Factor)
a fully open and hackable ultra-mobile device with exceptionally good battery life sounds pretty impressive.
I've been loosely following these guys since before the Pandora preorders and while I am glad that I did not get into the mess that came out of it, the Pyra seems to be an incredibly sweet deal.
- Very good battery life
- Very good audio
- Full Linux DE
- Perfect for server admin tasks on the go (albeit non-critical stuff preferrably)
- Perfect for gaming on the go (OpenMW, holy shit)
- Decent for leisure programming
- Great for meetings and conferences
- Vast storage capabilities
- 4g
- Upgradeable
- Enthusiastic and creative community
If only it wasn't so expensive.
>>54390287
I just said I wanted to do it to put it on my resume or something m8. Don't tell me you don't do projects to build up your repertoire
>>54390323
It's not fully open though, the GPU and Wifi are locked behind blobs.
>>54390310
Is that your entire experience with Android? Fucking gingerbread on a 3" 240p screen?
>>54390357
It the most modern Android phone with a keyboard that you can get here in India.
>>54390338
blobs?
>>54390398
Binary Blobs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob
>>54390338
Only the GPU AFAIK
You know you can't resist.
>>54390598
>>54390598
for 600$ I can resist.
>>54390630
>>54390012
I'm more than certain that the cpu is pure shit
A $100 smartphone could easily outperform it
>>54390638
>>54390671
But my keyboard..
>>54390692
Get a slider phone
At least they have better performance to that piece of shit
>>54390638
thick as a brick, jesus
Why not just get a laptop?
>>54391119
It's almost exactly as big as a GameBoy Classic. So while it's quite a brick, people have been carrying those around for a while just perfectly
>>54390716
>Still worse controls
>Worse battery life
>Shitty Linux chroot or stuck with shitty Android
>Not upgradeable
>Less storage options
Performance isn't everything, man
>>54391202
Because this thread is full of shills who want you to buy a device that can be outperformed by a $30 android phone. Nobody in their right mind would pay ~$700 for this piece of shit especially since it has an ARM processor full of binary blobs.
You know there are shills here since some are calling this an "UMPC".
if you are going to play emulators on the go, why not grab a psp or something
otherwise, you can even make do with most android phones/tablets+a controller
>>54390598
I hope the release it with a clear case. It'll be like reliving my childhood.
>>54389748
>without VAT
>without VAT
>without VAT
please do share how exactly you're purchasing it without VAT, I'm genuinely interested.
>>54390598
Why the fuck didn't he just kickstart this and make it cost like $200 bucks?
If the chinkshit WIN got funded this would have
>>54391987
Even with kick starter it would've cost the same. Maybe even more unless it sold in the thousands, which I doubt.
>>54387335
>745 euro
average monthly salary over here.
gotta love living in eastern yurop.
>>54392057
>thousands, which I doubt.
I don't. With the right campaign reddit would have eaten this shit up. They love hipster crap that runs emulators
>>54392129
They do, but not at the price of ~600.
>>54392160
Thats why a kickstarter would have helped
Economy of scale and all
>>54392210
Yes , but they obviously had their reasons. I'm sure most who don't know the full details would call it a scam.
>>54392235
They already made a product.
Literally whos have gotten more than their goal a ton of times, like the CHIP people.
>>54392260
You have no idea how many people are still bitter over the openpandora, and they
like to be very vocal about anything pyra related
>>54392305
>bitter over the openpandora
Not him, but why? Were they jewed?
>>54392340
OpenPandora was two companies, one in Germany, which now makes the Pyra, and one in Britain. One fucked up, never delivered, and went bankrupt.
>>54387142
It's shit.
>>54391895
>not offloading VAT on your company
it's like you never heard of the most basic and less illegal of scams
tell me , what distros do you guys install in this Little Machines?, i am really curious.
getting a GPD Win instead for the eventual Win10/Android dual-boot.
>$300 preorder
>it's actually a reservation cost
>same shit happened for the Pandora
>people didn't get their device for years, you can still find people on the forums complaining about not receiving theirs
>the device costs an extra $300 or so
Not worth it. Just gonna wait until the price drops, like the Pandora. Currently, you can get a Pandora for ~$200 on their website, but they're not on stock.
U can play starcraft on it
https://youtu.be/7vWnyDrNQO4
>>54392632
Same here. Would have considered the pyra if it would have had at least a quad-core ~2GHz ARM chip but turns out it's just a dual-core piece of shit.
Are some of you Ashens?
https://youtu.be/x2CA0UE6yRQ
>>54392696
oh wow, it can play an almost 20 year old game? for only 600€? that's insane!
>>54392632
Why does Linux have so many problems with baytrail?
>>54392786
It can't run it natively, so they must've ported it over.
>>54387190
Have you seen how long it takes for them to release anything? It will be years before they release an x86 board.
>>54392934
Maybe never if their ARM software won't work on it.
I don't even care about this for gaming. I want it for work. It is a folding linux device with a physical qwerty keyboard. It'd make my life so much easier when I need to console into hardware or ssh especially when I need to conceal it (auditor here)
>>54392696
You can play it on Android too
>>54393008
>It is a folding linux device with a physical qwerty keyboard.
we've had those for years, they're called laptops.
>>54389413
>OMAP
>premium
>freedom
Wanna try that again? TI overprices their shit, their approach to linux support is "lol conumers will do it" or you pay them money for shitty drivers on a company by company basis.
They literally would have done better to stick an odroid or rpi in there. Odroid for better pretty much everything and emmc, but if you gotta have dat free-er gpu, the rpi.
>>54392850
Bad firmware. 32bit only UEFI, and CPU has some problems bad enough that Microsoft felt it warranted pointing out they supported it. Everyone was kinda hoping for Apollo Lake, it was another chance at affordable x86 for linux.
>>54393168
You're right. I meant to specify concealable, folding linux device
>>54393241
we've also had those for years, they're called UMPC or smartphones.
>>54393261
Try finding a UMPC at a reasonable price that isn't shit. I want a Sony UX but they are either really overpriced or broken when people sell them
>>54393241
The Zipit Z2 may be what you want.
>>54393272
are you implying this 700€, budget-specced ARM device is reasonably priced and non-shit?
>>54393319
Price isn't an issue when my company will buy it for me.
>>54393299
While this is neat, it doesn't have usb which could be a problem for me.
>>54393358
so
>Try finding a UMPC at a reasonable price that isn't shit.
is just garbage then?
>>54393368
I'm contradicting myself because I'm leaving out information. That's my fault. It is more or less price vs new/used. My company will buy new things from vendors or sites. They will not purchase from eBay or anything like that and they will not purchase used equipment. I could purchase something used personally but then price is a factor and I don't want to drop 500 on a Sony UX that is missing parts and fucked up.
>>54389836
>resistive screen
They were thinking of using capacitive, but it ended up being way to imprecise for a full desktop DE.
>720p
What did you want? 720p means more battery time, less gpu and cpu usage, and for the screen size it's already too much.
>$900 United States Dollars
Are you retarded? For the standard 4GB version it's 603$ for the mobile it's 714$. Assuming you live in US.
>Q4 2017 release date
Wrong again. It's going to be released around September.
>>54390002
It's very likely. The developers have talked about it. At this point I would be surprised if it didn't' happen in a year or two. It's not official, however, since they don't want the shit storm if for some bizarre reason it won't happen.
>>54390196
The keyboard is fully community designed. There were a lot of things they took into consideration, and had to make sacrifices. They talked about shit like making both Vim and Emacs people happy.
>>54393751
>and for the screen size it's already too much.
Pic related: it's you.
>>54392781
I am.
>>54389294
>conan
>>54391895
if you're no in the EUSSR, you don't pay their 20% tax.
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>>54392500
Comes with debian.
Why change?
>>54389397
magicusbstick makes it easy to install linux on baytrail
>>54394883
it did on my asus t100 anyway. was able to triple boot android, ubuntu, and windows
>>54391895
Buy it in one of the few non EU countries that let you buy duty free items. A lot of shops in Norway, for example, advertise that tourists can buy items and get the VAT returned. That goes for anything from fruit to iPads.
