>20% wiped off Apple's value in just one month.
>mfw Apple will really die in our lifetime.
How happy is /g/? Apple and their faggot fans can all burn in hell.
>>54371410
>technology can finally go back to function focused instead of dumbed down toys for retards who are afraid of devices with more than one button
I don't own any Apple product. I have no desire to. What does confuse me is the massive hatred for their products (price tag and zombie consumers aside).
>>54371410
They'll probably still take headphone jacks because they're the spawn of Satan and this world is the Devils playground.
But I feel pretty good about it.
>>54371471
I think most of the hatred stems from the fact that their shit is overpriced (not expensive, but overpriced). We all understand that it's to maximize profit, but it's not exactly a practice that will win you hearts.
>>54371471
>price tag and zombie consumers aside
1. Scamming idiots.
2. Those idiots used to dump their money into good products.
3. Companies who produce good products suffer.
4. Companies have to fall in line and cater to the lowest common denominator mactoddlers.
5. We suffer because our choices in good products evaporate.
TL;DR Apple is a cancerous plague on the technology world.
>>54371490
>their shit is overpriced
lol
no
apple buys back shares
so it is good thing for their masterplan
>>54371526
lol
yes
>>54371537
They've been buying back shares for years to keep their stock price artificially high.
I'm literally loling as the stock value and all the money they spent buying it back poof away into thin air.
>apple iphone is overpriced
>buys samsung/htc/sony flagship
>>54371537
It doesn't work like that, you fucking retard.
>>54371410
Lol thought I was on /biz/ for a moment
Apple stock is just overpriced, I hate apple products but this doesn't indicate anything.
Just a big correction.
>>54371560
1.5 years of constant decline is not a correction. Apple is going down and going down HARD.
They clearly have no clear direction to take and major influential figures are dropping out of Apple. Not to mention being assfucked hard by China.
>>54371526
>1000$ for a phone with locked down OS, without file browser, ability to download mp3s from the internet, do anything more complex than browsing Facebook, not being able to install Debian chroot or even natively
Yes
Overpriced
>>54371555
That's called value for money faggot, we're getting more features for the same or lower price
>>54371410
It's really their fault for thinking that the iPhone SE and the MacBook refresh with STILL one port and shitty keyboard will help them stabilize.
Come September for iPhone 7, maybe MBA/MBP they'll climb back up. If not then it's really downhill from there unless they announce their Apple Car. Then it's investment hype.
>>54371597
Apple Car is not happening.
>>54371609
Then they're genuinely fucked if the iPhone 7 fails.
>>54371574
This desu famalam.
Their desperation is hilarious. They see the crash coming and now are trying to haphazardly break into the auto industry. Apple is a fucking joke. They had a one hit wonder that's dying off and they have absolutely nothing in the pipeline to sustain them.
If Apple lost 1 billion every year they would still be around for 650 years.
>>54371666
>dropped twice as hard as their competitors
Damn, Apple really is fucked.
>>54371681
Apple is in debt in the US. The $150b cash they hold in overseas banks will be taxed massively and will barely pay off their US debts after taxation.
>>54371681
Well they just lost about 2 billion per day this last month.
>>54371580
What can be done with this? How do you type?
>>54371700
Ok sorry, 400 years.
>>54371703
>Well they just lost about 2 billion per day this last month.
[citation needed]
>>54371700
this desu senpai
Applel literally has $5B in usable cash, and just took on $60B in debt. All that cash they have stashed in tax havens will be taxed 50% if they ever try to bring it home, at which point they just break even with their debt. They're a dead company walking.
>>54371580
well some people just want stuff that just works
>>54371713
No, at this rate of decline, they'll be gone in less than 10 years. They're currently $75b in debt in the US.
>>54371734
Do you think Apple will be declining at this rate for 10 years?
>>54371729
Even more reason Applel is doomed.
>>54371737
Their fall has been accelerating over the past year.
They are literally a bubble.
>>54371747
Do you think Apple will be gone in 10 years?
Can it be that even applefags are seeing that every new iPhone that comes out is only a debatable, marginal improvement over the last model that cannot justify the $700 price tag?
Too bad an MBP is a status symbol.
apple is dying for last 10 years
after some decades it will be dead
>>54371729
Then get fuck off to Mac rumors or something.
A technology board is hardly fit for, "just werks" toys
>>54371764
latest iphone cost under $400
>>54371756
Not completely gone, but irrelevant.
>>54371764
They're getting rid of the glowing logos on their Macs so free advertising and status are going away as well. Bad decisions after bad decisions.
it is really funny how samsung/ms assrape apple haters
>i'm not sheep
>buys overpriced samsung smarthphone/surface tablet
>>54371770
I agree. Unless you spend hours on useless tinkering every day you are NOT fit for this board.
>>54371781
They did that to penetrate more into the chinese market but the Government is assfucking Apple hard by banning their icloud services and restricting imports of their devices.
So now all the SE is doing is cheapening the Apple brand. It's just as stupid as Mercedes selling their C class for cheaper than a Toyota Corolla.
>>54371410
>this is what bitter poorfags really believe
>>54371821
so now it is too cheap
>>54371816
This is a board for technology enthusiasts, not "busy" and "productive" people like you
Leave
>>54371410
Good its about time they die.
People are just getting cheap android tablets at 1/10th of the price
APPLE IS DED
DED AND BURIED
>>54371863
>People are just getting cheap android tablets at 1/10th of the price
huge win for them
right?
>>54371848
This thread is about Apple dying, the SE is contributing to their demise.
>>54371857
Most of us are busy with actual technology work
>>54371410
I've got an android phone right now and I have an iPhone 6s in the mail. What have I signed myself up for?
Apple probably planned for this. Normies don't have as much money as you think. They are now settling with their products since it's good enough. Normies barely know the differences between the iphones now.
>>54371885
>What have I signed myself up for?
>>54371885
pussy magnet and blue bubbles
>>54371912
>boipucci magnet and blue bubbles
Fixed.
>>54371885
Apple's last and only semi-decent phone.
>less competition on the market are somehow better for consumers
Apple haters are truly spiteful children at best. If Apple really died, both Windows and Android would have a monopoly in their respective markets. Is that what you want?
>sent from my moto /g/
>>54371541
Its not really, nobody has build quality like apple and high build quality costs money
There are legitimate reasons to dislike apple products but the pricing meme is just poor people trying to justify them not being able to afford something
>>54371948
Software platforms, especially free ones are more beneficial as monopolies.
Why would anyone want separate software compatibility between different OSs, when they can just have one OS that runs every single fucking thing?
>>54371666
those repeating digits
confirmed kek and satan are working together to bring down apple
>>54371580
You can pay any amount for any phone not made by Apple and it will not be able to run iOS or iOS apps.
Thus, by definition, iPhones cannot be overpriced since they are literally unique.
>>54371883
So am I, that doesn't excuse being a cunt who only uses his phone for browsing Facebook.
A technology board is hardly fit for non tinkerers
>>54371975
I prefer the term "special snowflake"
i hate ms more than apple
so that means i can't even buy phones with android os
>Apple Q2 2016 results
>39.4% gross profit margin
>over $10 billion in profit last quarter
Stock is tanking because revenue targets were missed. IMO it's going to continue to tank because AAPL is way overvalued. Apple isn't going to continue to grow like investors expect.
What actually matters is that the company is *absurdly* profitable. It is completely unheard of for a hardware company to make a 40% gross margin. Even software companies like Google and Microsoft are only in the 15~25% range.
>>54371734
>$75b in debt
At Apple's size, $75 billion is not a big deal. Their debt/asset ratio is something like 60%. Pretty average for a corporation. Holding debt is normal for any business.
>>54372022
What do you use your phone for?
>>54372050
>What actually matters is that the company is *absurdly* profitable
Not with the release of the SE and the Retina Macbook. They really cut their profit margins with those two and the SE is cannibalizing 6s sales.
I wish.
>>54371410
> not remembering when Apple was a penny stock in danger of delisting
Fucking kids...
ITT
apple haters proves they are apple fanboys
>>54371410
So is it confirmed that the iPhone se flopped?
>>54371526
It's overpriced and their service isn't good.
I was so disappointed with apple I was almost happy when my iPod touch 4g got stolen and I invested in a real mp3 player.
>>54372208
No, the SE is massively successful, which is a bad thing because it's nowhere near as profitable as the 6s, and the SE is cannibalizing the sales of the 6s almost completely.
Apple has been massively cutting down on 6s production.
>>54372221
no cannibalization
people that bought SE wouldn't buy big screen phones like 6s
Q2 always were weakest quarter for apple so they got small push from SE (Q2 doesn't even include SE sales)
>>54371700
And seeing how things will get only worse for offshore banking with US and EU pressing hard on them they will have to pay up.
>>54372261
Pretty sure people would have still bought the regular 6s even if the SE did not exist cause it was the best iPhone they could get. And was the the SE sales really that strong? Where are the numbers? I'm getting some conflicting results in my Google searches.
>>54371410
India just rejected their proposal. Maybe that's why?
>>54372420
China cracking down on device imports and banning itunes and ibooks certainly isn't helping their situation.
>>54372434
Based China.
>mfw Apple will really die in our lifetime.
It's almost happened once. Now there's no Steve Jobs to take over.
>>54372453
And no Bill around to bail them out.
>>54372407
numbers will be in next quarter
>Pretty sure people would have still bought the regular 6s even if the SE did not exist cause it was the best iPhone they could get
not cannobalization
>>54371471
Jobs was a shyster and his products are walled garden toys for hipsters who have too much money and need to make a statement with their consumer products. It can't run 90% of the best programs.
>>54371560
How overvalued are tech stocks in general?
>>54371729
People want stuff that 'just werks' because they have been fucking dumbed down progressively with simple and easier to use technology. see >>54371525
>>54371722
I hope they get taxed hard.
>>54371868
it is though. It was a bubble, and the bubble is bursting. They won't 'die', but they'll become as irrelevant as they were when steve jobs was gone before.
>>54371912
>blue bubbles
Everyone uses Whatsapp in yurop anyways : ^)
Also, the only grills that care about blue bubbles are underageb& lower class girls that a) can't afford to send sms (which are included in every sensible contract in yurop anyways lel) or b) think that having an iPhone equals 'rich' because they have never even seen something worth more than a thousand dollars lel
>>54371951
lelllelllelelll.
My Oukitel K6000 feels like an iPhone buildquality-wise, other than being fatter because hueg battery.
And that cost 110$.
>>54371951
High build quality costs money? Please do yourself a favor and watch this documentary:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e1jkd_apples-broken-promises_news.
>>54371471
Same here. I don't get the hate. But on the other hand I really don't get the hype either.
I do hate the fanboy-ism though. Just look at fingerprint reader for iphone 6 (?) - was hailed as a big revolution even if other manufacturers have had that for years.
Same story with that 4.x (can't remember and too lazy to look it up) inch phone. Since when is a phone with a 4.x" screen revolutionary? Must mean my old phone with a 3" screen is fan-fucking-tastic!
And the list goes on with Apple 'innovations' praised by fanboys. The worst part is that the media seems to cater to it as well hence normies get brainwashed.
>>54371525
#3-5 is a good point indeed.
fuck Apfel.
I just hope μSoft (softE-6) doesn't die too or googel will go into full evil mode.
>>54372663
any good twerking videos left on dailymotion.
>steve jobs gone
>no more innovation
expected it would die down, Applel are actually trying to get in the car business now lmao
they are doing it so their shareholders don't run since no new product since the iPad has been successful (iWatch was shit since they were competing with $5k+ watches)
>>54372083
they get profit either way
the 6s+ didn't "cannibalize" the 6s sales, all 3 are at different sizes
>>54371410
>entire market tanks because of China
>APPLE IS DYING
>>54371410
In my medium span lifetime I've seen IBM go down, I've seen Apple go down once and have to be bailed out by Microsoft, I've seen Microsoft go down while Apple surged, I've seen Google peak, I've seen Intel struggle then surge then wane, I've seen Matrox and Diamond dominate then fall to ATI and NVIDIA, I've seen Apple flop the Newton then Palm dominate then fall to Blackberry who then fell to Apple who then fell to Android. etc. etc. etc. The only constant is change. Lotus Notes falls to Exchange. Lotus 1-2-3 falls to Excel. etc. etc. etc. Borland. Amiga, err, Commodore. Atari. Nintendo. Sony. It's never ending. Who gives a fuck unless they have large amounts of stock and aren't smart enough to diversify.
>>54371616
>one hit wonder
This.
>>54372808
It's sad seeing them fall. Especially when they've been around for so long.
Did you guys know I'm a technology expert? You can tell because I bash on apple and run windows 7.
>>54372808
IBM and MS are still fine. As is Apple and Google are doing fucking great, the other companies you mentioned are pretty small.
Intel might be finished in the next ten years thought.
>>54371410
Apple won't die so soon anon, also they're releasing new MacBook Pro's and iPhones this year, everything will be fine.
>>54371616
they had 3 "one hit" wonders
the ipod, iphone, and ipad
>>54371616
Yeah, it's not like the car is rumoured for half a decade now!
>>54371951
>Its not really, nobody has build quality like apple and high build quality costs money
>There are legitimate reasons to dislike apple products but the pricing meme is just poor people trying to justify them not being able to afford something
>high build quality like Apple's costs money.
No, no it doesn't. Apple's 210% markup on the cost to manufacture costs money. The added price to attain a status symbol costs money, and a global effort to drill this idea into your head via advertisement, product placement and public relations cost money.
All money that contributes nothing to the device's actual usefulness and fuels hatred towards Apple in general among people who understand and value tech.
Pic source: http://www.techinsights.com/teardown.com/apple-iphone-6/
>>54372830
People just expect more from Apple, they aren't microsoft or Google. They thought they would just invent some new product, but the truth is that VR is the only real innovation left.
>>54372834
Also the current numbers don't even have iPad Pro and SE sales included. I phone SE sells pretty well, is dirt cheap and should be pretty cheap to produce given half of it are old parts.
Wish I weren't a poorfag and could buy Apple stock now.
So who is it that literally suicided on the conference room?
>>54372853
And R&D/quality control makes up the rest
iOS is the best mobile OS, lagdroid fragmented is a java mess rofl
that stagefright shit was hilarious
>>54372835
>ipod
>ipod that can make phone calls
>big ipod
>3 separate products
ok
>>54372830
They're all on the decline, right now Facefuck is one of the few surgers. It's natural and inevitable, they peak then settle into a nice comfy profitable holding pattern. Facefuck will settle down too. Oh and Amazon is going through a nice period after years and years of failure but that will settle too. No one stays on top forever, even the oil companies are losing their swagger. Not the banks though, the banks rule the fucking world.
>>54372865
A programmer
>>54372857
Meh, VR is still too far ahead in the future until it becomes viable.
![iPod1-811[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ufAtxcU.jpg "iPod1-811[1].jpg")
>>54372874
this is what the ipod looked like, since you are probably underage
the iphone was nothing like this
>>54372877
I put my tech investment money in the companies behind the scenes, not the headline makers. Micron/Hynix, Atmel, Lattice, Marvell, etc.
>>54372877
>They're all on the decline
After pretty much printing money in the last five years, while regulations in China scared the fuck out of the market and India are being mercantilist faggots. Besides both spend a lot in innovation, doubt Google or Apple peaked yet. Just having a slow down for the moment.
Faceshit are unlikely to grow massively though, while Amazon still has a lot room up, before they fuck us all in the butt once they got the complete monopol.
>No one stays on top forever, even the oil companies are losing their swagger. Not the banks though, the banks rule the fucking world.
Sure but the size of Apple and Google will make a change on top pretty hard, and this is even ignoring the 200 or 250 billions they got in cash. They could buy themselves into any industry.
>>54372925
They all have pretty small profit margins if I recall right. Smartphones are GOAT at profits, specially iPhones due their efficient supply lines.
>>54371948
>windows
I don't use this dogshit OS, so I'm fine.
>Android
So what? It's open source, all's right
>>54372808
>>54372853
>fastest NAND in business
>$9
Sounds very unlikely, and 6s is way faster again.
Also $37for processor sounds unlikely, A9X is close at Core M performance, which is $250, sure there are licenses and everything but I doubt it's below 100 bucks, specially given how Apple don't have their own plants just own designs.
>>54371410
>i know nothing about corporate working but i will still shitpost about it.
I dont even own apple product but you anon are retarded.
>>54371700
>>54371722
>>54371734
>>54372394
>Apple is in debt in the US. The $150b cash they hold in overseas banks will be taxed massively and will barely pay off their US debts after taxation.
This is not how corporate debt works. Apple has total assets of $~290 billion and had $53 billion in net income (profit) last year. Apple's long term debt is mostly in the form of bonds. When the bonds mature, they can pay them off by allocating revenue or sell off assets.
>tax
Paying off bonds/debt is a deductible expense, so the income used is *NOT* taxed. Businesses are taxed *after* expenses.
>>54372913
>dat Garamond font
Early Apple was great.
They should go back to Stainless Steel since every fucking company is using shitluminum now.
>>54371410
Apple is sitting on enough cash to buy Alphabet three times over with enough change for a couple of Yahoos and whatever Elon Musk has that's still worth anything.
>>54373029
>iPod
>early apple
yeah no
Actually Alphabet is currently worth more money than Apple.
>>54371410
Much of this drop is probably due to Carl Icahn (Billionaire investor who held 53 million shares in apple) announcing he is selling all his apple stock a week ago. It surprises me that no one has mentioned it in this thread yet.
>>54371975
The difference is any phone can do what apple phone does but not vice versa. Therefore apple phone is inferior.
>>54373111
I know /g/ isn't into economics or anything relevant in the real world but this is something you can check in 1 min.
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/goog
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/aapl
>>54373111
>Actually Alphabet is currently worth more money than Apple.
nope
>>54373180
>The difference is any phone can do what apple phone does but not vice versa.
Can they not lag? Thought so.
Stop this Android meme already, 95% of their phones get no official support past 1-2 updates if you're very lucky. They are literally DOA.
>>54373233
Why do people lie on the internet?
Is it because you're anonymous here?
>>54373180
>any phone can do what apple phone does
so mine nokia 3310 can take 4k videos
cool
>>54373256
My bad, 95% was too optimistic. Currently 97.4% of Android phones run outdated OS.
http://opensignal.com/reports/2015/08/android-fragmentation/
>>54373283
Sorry bit outdated, 97.7% it is.
http://www.droid-life.com/2016/03/08/android-distribution-update-march/
>>54371410
Doesn't make me too happy since I like Apple....
But at the same time this dumb bitch I go to school with had about $100k in Apple stock (when it was in the $120/share range) she inherited. Was gonna sell when it hit $135 but it never did and now she lost a bunch of money lol.
So that makes me happy I guess.
>>54373300
>people still using old phones
>expecting the latest android to run fine on a single core 512MB device
>intentionally ignoring the fact that apple got sued over iPhone 4s running like dogshit on the latest ios
My mother's still using an xperia x10 anon, that chart means nothing.
Android phones get 2 years support. 3 years if a nexus, and no support if from an obscure Chinese company.
>>54373344
>people still using old phones
With compromised security and features, nice!
>expecting the latest android to run fine on a single core 512MB device
If Apple manages normal performance on 4s, why not? Besides it's not like only phones from 2011 don't get any support. Tons of modern phones from 2014 and 2015 still didn't get Marshmallow.
>the fact that apple got sued over iPhone 4s running like dogshit on the latest ios
>crazy people suing over some shit
>didn't win
>relevant
>Android phones get 2 years support.
Weird, my Xperia Z3C still didn't get official Marshmallow (which was released in 2015) beyond beta.
>>54373421
>if apple manages normal performance on a 4s
Except they don't.
See >>54373344 again.
And z3c got official official marshmallow recently. Even z2 series got it.
Z3c got it April 11.
Here's my sources.
http://indianexpress.com/article/technology/mobile-tabs/sony-xperia-z3-z2-android-6-0-marshmallow-2784169/
http://www.ibtimes.com/android-601-marshmallow-ota-update-now-available-sony-xperia-z3-z3-compact-xperia-z2-2351528
http://www.macrumors.com/2015/12/29/ios9-iphone-4s-lawsuit/
Also about the compromised security and features. For the people using those devices it most likely wouldn't even matter, my mother has never connected her xperia x10 to the internet, and is still running the android it shipped with(1.6 iirc).
>>54373506
>Except they don't.
>quotes law suit from a biased party
From them ibtimes article:
>As of this writing, the update is only available in select regions like the U.S, Latin America, Russia, Ukraine, Middle East and North Africa.
Besides, April 2016 for an update that came out in October 2015 or so is nothing to brag about.
>For the people using those devices it most likely wouldn't even matter, my mother has never connected her xperia x10 to the internet
Your point being that a shitty phone without updates is good enough for your mother, which might be correct but misses the point, since many people expect a bit more from their phones than she does. My granny is fine with my old Razr too.
A FUCKING PORT
>>54373600
>get android phone on contract
>upgrade phone after 2 years on new contract
>isn't a poorfag
>get iPhone on contract
>suffer for the next 4 years as your device is constantly degraded by updates
>cry yourself to sleep and wake up with 30% battery drain every morning because your battery is over 3 years old now
>dream of the day you can update to the latest iPhone
>is a poorfag, can't afford the next phone because plan is discounted for using old phone
Anyone expecting more from their phone won't be happy when facebook messenger lags on their 3 year old device and still just upgrade regardless. Updating obsolete devices is a waste of money and resources for the company and apple only does it because reducing performance and maintaining a good public image.
>>54373727
>wasting money on contracts
>getting new shit every two years
But why?
>suffer for the next 4 years as your device is constantly degraded by updates
>repeating memes
Do you have any proof for the performance degradation? (A law suit by a party who would benefit from it, that isn't won, is not proof)
>wake up with 30% battery drain every morning because your battery is over 3 years old now
>not getting a new battery
Nigga, there are kits making it easy enough for casual users.
>>54372209
just because your autism doesn't let you hold conversations with the genius bar people doesn't mean they have bad customer service
>>54371444
Good. Hope smartphones die with them.
>>54371537
Damage control is here in the form of a fucking idiot
>>54371912
>>54371942
Either is fine
>>54371901
>tapping random moon runes takes the phone some time to process
Yeah no shit, I bet native speakers of that language wouldn't be texting that fast. They wouldn't need to.
>>54371410
There's nothing more they can do to the phone to make it better the only thing I can think of is module based systems
>>54371410
remember that time when apple died in 2013?
>implying apple will ever die
>>54371525
>companies have to cater to the lowest common denominator mactoddlers
To me that sounds like you just have a problem with tech illiterates and normies, who are and will always be the majority. The majority will always drive the market. Apple aren't really anything special, they just fill a role that will be filled by someone else if they fuck up.
>>54371471
my hatred stems from the fact that they do almost no research and developments they just copy and everyone hails them as a revolutionary products.
>>54373233
>can they not lag?
You have no argument, and you're not afraid to show it. The "android lag" is just like the "gender wage gap".
It doesn't exist
