The human hearing range is 20 to 20,000 Hz. As you age this range naturally gets smaller and smaller.
http://onlinetonegenerator.com/hearingtest.html
All you need for 'perfect' sound reproduction is a pair of headphones that can produce 20 to 20,000 Hz.
Even $5 headphones routinely outperform this band, like this one (16 to 22,000 Hz):
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Headphones-Lightweight-Comfortable-Audiophile/dp/B00004T8R2/
Other headphone stats like impedance basically don't matter.
TL;DR: For perfect sound reproduction, there is literally no reason to spend more than $5 on headphones.
>>54308950
meat curtains
>>54308950
Theres a whole hell of a lot more to making headphones sound good that frequency. This thread is retarded, and I'm not even arguing against your main point that putting in sounds below 20 or above 20000hz is a waste
>>54308996
>Theres a whole hell of a lot more to making headphones sound good that frequency.
Wrong
Any $800 car can go the speed limit. There is no reason to spend more than $800 on a car.
so basically, if the headphones put out broadband noise instead of music, it's still considered okay?
What about if the 3khz band is 100dB louder than the rest. Is that also okay?
>>54308950
The human visual range is 390 to 700nm.
All you need for 'perfect' image reproduction is a display that can produce 390 to 700 nm.
>>54308960
She has a very normal pussy.
>>54309017
>For perfect sound reproduction, there is literally no reason
>For top speed, there is literally no reason
>>54308950
>implying when you tell a cheap headphone to produce 70db at 4000khz it will always produce 70db at 4000khz
>let alone 70db at 4000khz in both speakers equally
can't hear anything > ~11,500 Hz according to this test
I'm 21
OP has clearly never compared headphones of different prices a cheap 5 dollar pair of headphones is going to sound like garbage even compared to 40 dollar porta pros
>>54308960
>not wanting to cover your dick with those blankets
Fucking fag in denial.
>>54308950
Quality of sound is much more than the range the headphones produce. I've had 10 dollar headphones that sound better than 100 dollar headphones. But yea, range isn't everything.
>>54309016
>wrong because no reason
Fuck, this board is utter shite now
>>54308950
Is this graph what you want?
>>54309072
i bet you use in ears
i have tinnitus and hear 19500 at 28
get rekt son
>>54309134
You're getting trolled. I am getting trolled. Fuck this. Abandon thread everyone.
>>54308950
Damn Im a skeleton and even I think she looks sick...like legit starving or something.....ick
>>54309188
I am legitimately not trolling I use DT880s right now.
Although if I crank the volume from 20 to 100% I can hear up to 15,000, but still...
>>54309072
23 and I stop hearing at 14k
shure se215
>>54308950
*rattles*
>>54308950
>16500 at 24
JUST
>>54309188
WHAT? SPEAK UP SON, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
>>54308950
up to 16000 and then I'm deaf. 26yo.
>>54308950
Thx for the advice skelly
She looks genuinely disturbing. And not just herb body either. Look at her eyes, they seem sort of empty
The funny part is all these sound placebo meemers are all old as fuck with grey hair.
They can't hear shit anyway.
>32yo
>can't year higher than 8,000
>mfw
You cannot hope to ever disprove an audiophile because the basis of their argument is the claim that they can hear higher than 20K hz. It's nigh impossible to actually have a test for this that is impossible to lie on.
It doesn't matter if the very range they claim to be able to hear higher than is essentially high pitched noise - THIS IS HOW THEY PRETEND TO BE "DIFFERENT". Remember that please! They are insisting they can hear basically a high pitched whistle nothing sound, even if you could hear above this range it would be so unintelligible.
The only way to prove this would be to possibly hurl a really loud high pitched noise at them and see if they have a skin response which meant they'd heard it. But every audiofaggot that you'd test like this is so out of it that they'd find some way to lie and make this test inconclusive because they'd insist they'd "heard" some extremely high pitched sound.
DO NOT RESPOND TO AN AUDIOFAGGOT. DO NOT BRING UP AUDIOFAGGING TO AN AUDIOFAGGOT IF YOU HAVE TO BE WITH ONE. You CANNOT get out of this situation positively. The only thing you CAN do is to make scam products and milk them as hard as possible.
AUDIOFAGGOTS ARE HIPSTERS. That's all there is to it. They just want to pretend to be different by saying they can "hear higher than the normal human" even though if they could all they would be hearing is high pitched garbage. Proof is the rare occasion two audiofucks meet. If you can ever see this happen in person then I suggest you watch. The joke is from the comics that they would make out or something but every audiophile hates every other audiophile because they are taking away their attention that they think they're getting. Audiofags are hipsters first and technology oriented second and they just picked up audio because they failed at being "unique" earlier in their clothes or music taste and now found audiofagging as a new target that they think nobody else will be smart (stupid) enough to try.
The website is broken for me but I played the .ogg file in my media player and it cuts out of my audible range at around 49 seconds.
Assuming the sweep is linear that would be about 16-17 kHz.
>>54309678
>You cannot hope to ever disprove an audiophile because the basis of their argument is the claim that they can hear higher than 20K hz.
[citation needed]
Show me a single audiophile claiming they can hear higher than 20 kHz.
>skeleton has dropped 1x [beef steak]
>>54308950
Mother nature sometimes can bring to us the most retarded specimens
>>54308950
>'perfect' sound reproduction
If only perfect sound reproduction was as simple as a frequency range.
It's easy to spot a delusional audiophile. They'll start using words such as "warm" and "smooth" to describe audio. Usually common with vinyl fags who describe digital audio as "cold".
>>54308950
who's this beef queef
>>54309583
because grey hair means shit amirite
>>54309834
You are retarded. I'm not even an autismopedofool. Warm and smooth mean recessed treble which is as real as it gets, you dumb fuck.
>>54309846
mr skeltal
>>54308950
Things you need to consider:
You want to transform PCM data into pressure changes (sound). The signal path goes like this:
[PCM] ->[D/A] -> [Amp] -> [Speaker] -> [Air]
The D/A, the amp and the speaker all make mistakes in the translation of the information from one stage to the next. Those are:
a) Linear effects: All errors that can be quantified as a convolution, that includes the frequency response and the phase response. They happen because of electronic stuff (impedances etc), acoustic resonances and probably more.
You can measure this very well up to a limited accuracy.
b) Noise: Every component have resistance and thus generate noise. Especially the amp with it's transistors can pick up all kinds of shit (usually of thermic nature). That is just added to the signal. Ears are usually pretty fucking good at filtering that.
c) Non-linear effects: Many parts of the signal path are assumed to behave linearly, i.e. the sound pressure generated by the speaker membrane should be proportional to the applied voltage. In reality that it not the case. The amp can overdrive, the speakers usually have a very complicated response that is basically impossible to model.
The frequency response as given in data sheets is just a tiny part of (a). It does not cover the whole range of often subtle effects that alter the sound.
>>54309851
99.99% of the time having a head of grey hair means you're old.
00.01% edge cases being you have Aspergers and the mental stress from being unmediated got you a few grey hairs by the time you're 25.
>>54309906
>recessed treble
>i'm no audiophile
>only references to term found are audiophile forums and reddit posts
man i really want to fuck this girl i really like that video when she shows her pussy and the slut face she does man what a turn on
now on this test i think volume is the only thing that matters cause if i turn it up all the way to 100% (currently its at 20%) i can hear everything
u just cant hear it, its just harder to perceive it
>>54309678
Oh shit im 19 and cant hear over 3k
Have any of you ever been to a audiologist? to actually talk to them about this shit? like hearing loss is a bitch.
>>54308950
thanks mr. skeltal
>>54310117
>>54309583
You might actually be fucking retarded.
17000 at 24 using laptop speakers
>>54309755
underrated
>>54308950
oh
that set off my tinnitus
ahh
>>54308950
Amplitude
Cretin
>>54308950
>All you need for 'perfect' sound reproduction is a pair of headphones that can produce 20 to 20,000 Hz.
>what is linearity
>Other headphone stats like impedance basically don't matter.
>what is power, noise
>>54309284
DT770pro & some generic but moderately okay dedicated speaker system and I can't hear over 16,000 @ 25 myself.
15,500 is the upper limit, but 16,000 is the absolute limit.
>>54308960
Looks like that would be the only part of her that has any meat. Someone buy her a cheeseburger.
>>54309143
looks like DT 770
>>54309715
https://www.reddit.com/r/audiophile/comments/4avosh/book_from_1886_states_upper_hearing_range_is_38khz/d14k6v0
All I did was google for 'audiophile hearing range'
>>54312274
Okay, I take it back. Some people are dumber than I would have ever anticipated.
I guess these people come form the same mental breed as flat-earthers?
>>54312274
>I used to work for a well-known audiophile record label, and a number of us, especially the people involved in the recording and production could here far higher tones than the average person. I could hear up to at least 30 Hz, for instance. Throughout my lifetime I have often been able to hear things that nobody else around me could hear.
30 Hz? Wow, that sure is high
>>54308950
Some people want the best sound reproduction regardless of hearing ability for the sake of knowing the music is being faithfully played, and there is nothing wrong with that.
>>54308950
17000 at age 21 on my senn 598s
>>54312274
jesus christ, that reminds me of when I was four and thought I was superhuman because I smelled a pie being baked 10 houses away
except this guy's a grown ass man with (allegedly) a wife
>>54308950
10kHz to 14 kHz sounds literally the same.
15kHz is when it becomes difficult to perceive at normal volume, but I can still "feel" the sound somehow even at normal volume. It disappears even at high volume past 18kHz but you don't want to go that far.
High volume sound at 17kHz could probably be used to torture Gitmo prisoners holy fuck.
>>54308950
thank you ms skeltal
My hearing stops at 22000 Hz at age 26. Had a medical hearing test at work the other day.
>>54309620
>40 y/o
>some 15042 Hz
Thank you based autism. Will re-do this test with earphones.
>>54312156
>Being this newfag
Lurk moar
>>54309372
Shure se215 here to been using iem for years no wonder i have tinnitus. Fml
>tfw 20
>tfw M50x
>tfw can only hear until 16,000Hz
>14000
So is this because of shitty headphones or all the times I've shot without earpro?
>>54308950
>All you need for 'perfect' sound reproduction is a pair of headphones that can produce 20 to 20,000 Hz.
That seriously over simplifies the matter.
>>54312896
You do NOT want to use high volumes on these tests. All you are doing is torturing your ears, even if the sound isn't being transmitted to your brain, and further damaging your hearing.
A comfortable volume should be maintained from beginning to end.
24 years old and I peak at 17,500 Hz.
What do I win?
>>54313771
hearing aids at 40
>20
>11,000
I don't even listen to loud music
>24
>~16000
>M50x
maybe 18000 but I'm not sure what I'm hearing is from the environment around me or the test itself.
>>54309438
I cant really hear past 15k, Im 31, never really did a ton of loud music listening, though I used to drive out to Boston on the weekend with a friend with a 800w amp and 2 12" subs we used to bump at stupidly loud levels.
Though I highly doubt I did that enough times where it caused damage.
>>54315730
>enough times where it caused damage
>one time
Baka. I hope it was worth it desu ne.
>>54308950
>there is literally no reason to spend more than $5 on headphones.
What about comfort and build quality? A wallmart special isn't going to last long before something breaks.
Who /hearing damage/ here? 13.5khz is my upper limit and I'm only 22.
>thread talking shit about headphones
>everyone ITT got mediocre hearing test results
I can see a pattern here.
>>54317182
My bet is all the people who can only “hear” up to 14 kHz or whatever are just using really shitty speakers to do the test.
>>54317210
that's the joke
>>54317224
I thought it was “they think there's no difference between shit and good speakers because they have legit hearing damage”
>>54309028
>Wavelength is display size
No
>>54317277
Who are you quoting?
>>54317235
No it was "they never had a decent pair of headphones, and somehow surprisingly they scored 14kHz on their walmart skype headsets"
>>54317182
That's life for you, but hey, there is more to music than just the frequency range. Hardly anything falls above the 14kHz region anyway.
28, stopped around 17000
>>54310495
>only references to term found are audiophile forums and reddit posts
I'm certain Beranek wrote something about warmth.
Quick google shows he even had a whole chapter on this in pic related book.
>>54308950
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>>54317339
Maybe we should append the name of the device we tested on to our test results.
I get about 16-17 kHz for both my bookshelf speakers (Dali Zensor 3) and my headphones (Audeze LCD-2), as driven by a Yamaha A-S300 + ODAC RevB.
>>54317464
Na, shitty phones will easily manage up to 20kHz, it's just that they are in no way even across their range.
Some frequencies will sound louder than others, the deviation is a sign of how bad your phones are.
Assuming you aren't equalizing of course.
>>54317506
>Some frequencies will sound louder than others, the deviation is a sign of how bad your ears are.
ftfy
>>54317506
>>54317567
finally we have arrived at the crux of the debate
>>54308950
Jesus this is retarded. We've never even made a transducer that is anywhere near good yet alone perfect.
>>54317567
That too.
The fact is though that even cheap phones will easily reach the frequencies, it doesn't make them good at replicating the original recording though.
And seeing your ears are a variable you can't control you should start with what you can control.
>>54317638
>That too.
MOSTLY that
Pic related is a typical ear's sensitivity curve
>>54317638
Its not even that. Different people have different ears so target curves don't always work correctly. We also can't even standardize which equalization targets to go for.
When you see things with a flat frequency response, you should ask flat to what target curve?
I'd suggest trying out many that are close to being flat to diffuse field, free field, and direction independent. I understand that no headphones very close to flat, but meh.
Another thing people don't usually consider is how a transducer can handle mutliple sine waves going in at the same time. Higher mass drivers theoretically would be worse at this because they can't change fast enough to compensate for this even if they can produce through 20000. Running your output through an analyzer you can see how the harmonic distortions of each sine wave happen. People usually do this with a single sine sweep, but having mutliple fits better imo. I plan on building a rig eventually to start testing headphones with this method. Of course mass isn't the only thing, you have modulus of elasticity, and inherent resonances of each material, but no mass is still the goal.
On the topic of lightness of drivers, people often will use impulse response to claim that heavier drivers can compete by evidencing the hd800 compared to some stax but impulse response essentially is just a function of frequency response and doesn't show what people think it does. You can reproduce the impulse response by software simulation passing a synth through an equalizer set to the headphones' frequency response.
>18 and very avoidant of loud sounds
>range of 40-15000 anyway
>>54308950
That filename is disgusting
>>54308950
can ppl post their audio gear
im interested in what people are using to support their decisions/opinions
>~17500
>>54317958
>>54317965 Sony MDR-XD150
>>54308950
TLDR: Op is losing his hearing and is trying to ruin everyone else's enjoyment of music by arguing ranges.
By your logic, there's no difference between a car backfiring and any other sound because we can hear both of them equally.
> Could hear the beep all the way through with my K550's
> 25
Get fucked nerds
>>54317983
OP is unfamiliar with the term "frequency response curve"
>>54318042
Definitely, but any time anyone goes so far out of their way to try and stop others its usually much worse.
If he could hear "normally for his age" he wouldn't be but hurt enough to try and say 5$ headphones are the same as 50$ headphones.
Same with anything else: "cars are stupid and you're all douches! >cant drive because of seizures<" etc.
>>54308950
>thinks sound reproduction relies on frequency response alone
>doesn't understand how harmonics work
Conclusion, bait
>>54318236
Sink thread?
>>54318257
Sink thread!
>>54318273
the detectable waves our body can experience via sound may be around a low of 20hz, but lower frequencies can still be felt.
I live for the bass that impacts my chest before my ears
Not many speakers can do so low, enter the realm of rotary woofers and other crazy subbass oscillators.
>>54318316
dummy, urinals don't count
can hear all of it just fine, you guys need to clean your ears more often
14000 with a G230 I got free with my keyboard, all the way with Beyerdynamic DT 770.
This test is justa bout only good for telling you how good/shitty your headphones or speakers are.
>>54309846
Eugenia Cooney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwmKWt_kILU
Next time just click the little arrow next to the post number select "image search" and then select Google. It finds a source for most things.
>>54309134
But you gave no reason against his argument you fuckwit
All you said is there's a whole hell of a lot more etc
>>54308950
>not naming the file draugr.jpg
Waves affect other waves.
>>54308950
Who is this bonermancer?
>>54318713
She has a decent face for a skeletor, just needs a pair of fake tits.
>>54309188
I have tinnitus and can hear up to 20000 fine, I assumed there must have been some hearing loss but never had it tested. not bad desu
>>54319333
Tinnitus is rarely from mechanical damage to the ear. It's neurological. I have visual snow as well, and the tinnitus tends to correlate with the density of visual artifacts.
I imagine it like a failure of a filtering stage, or hypermetabolic noise in some pseudo-analog machinery.
>>54318958
I thought you were making a goof with beef queef but you arent even in the know.
>>54309035
oh I'm sure you get to regularly inspect it ;)
27, 18khz, M40X
>>54309035
I mean yeah unattractive pussies are normal but so are attractive ones
>>54319498
This is bullshit. Take your meds.
>>54309143
Holy fucking shit dude, this fucking graph made me do this.
>>54319569
kek
>>54308996
>I'm not even arguing against your main point that putting in sounds below 20 or above 20000hz is a waste
are you sure
you can feel heat from the sun which is way outside the range so maybe even though you can not register it your body has sensors that subconsciously get stimulated by the additional vibrations
in lack of a better word and in fear of sounding meme, the sound that reaches your ears is "fuller".
>her arms are as wide as her entire hand
>>54319555
>Take your meds.
I wonder if people who use this phrase cluster mostly in the US. Can anyone comment?
>>54308960
GOD DAMMIT
>>54308950
based Panasonic, too bad their product designs look like some 90s shit
>>54308960
Mmmm, meat
>>54319569
WE WUZ AUDIO 'N SHIEET
>>54308950
Nice bait.
>>54317726
>Another thing people don't usually consider is how a transducer can handle mutliple sine waves going in at the same time
This is not a problem to transducer that has the bandwidth to replicate those sine tones and operates in minimum phase while having relatively low distortion. There is no "congestion" or whatever it is what audiophools like to call it.
>>54313216
Nobody believes you.
>>54309834
Warm and cold have a meaning, smooth not so much. Audiophools like to use much more vague and undefined lingo to describe things such as "musical" and "effortless" or "transparency" and "speed" in the wrong domain.
>>54318236
I'm guessing you don't understand harmonics too well either. OP wasn't even about FR, it was merely a bait about the bandwidth alone.
>>54309678
all you need
26 and I lost it around 16k
There's a high pitched whine inside my head though and it gets kinda lost in that.
Oh well, zero fucks given.
As long as I can hear music this doesn't really matter one damn bit to me.
>>54319611
There is no way whatsoever your body can pick up ultrasonic signals, even subconsciously.
Source: Every single scientific study on the subject.
The only time audiophiles can “detect” ultrasonic signals is when the ultrasonic signals are actually distorting their speaker's reproduction of the audible signal. (Due to imperfections in the speaker design)
>>54323134
Or anyone else.
>>54318713
Spooky scary skeletons
send shivers down your spine
Shrieking skulls will shock your soul
Seal your doom tonight
~17 000 Khz
18 years old
Denon MM400
>>54310063
>putting this much effort on a troll's thread
I'm sorry for you anon
>the human eye can only see colors on the spectrum between red and violet, therefore all you need for the "perfect" display is a monitor that can display between red and violet
15k
24y/o
cheap rca desktop speakers from the early 2000s
>>54318257
>>54315730
Hearing damage can happen almost immediately and is largely irreversible.
>>54315730
my kickers hit hard enough to bounce my cheap kia ultima across the street and i can hear 18k
grado sr60i here
Around 18,500 is where I couldn't hear anymore.
26.
Honestly surprised since my parents always told me my loud music listening would fuck my hearing.
>tfw tinnitus
>>54310063
best answer in this shitty thread
also, OP is a huge faggot
>>54324723
Sufficiently loud music will damage your hearing, though its not necessarily from the high range downwards. Typically people start to have trouble hearing specific frequencies in the 0.3 - 3.4khz range which can impact on speech comprehension.
>>54308950
Just cause it can reproduce frequencies from 20Hz-20KHz doesn't mean it'll reproduce each frequency with the same pressure. So 20Hz may be just barely audible, while 30Hz is loud and clear, etc.
Tinnitus sufferer here. Had it full on since 2006. I can't hear much about 10Khz. I have 'holes' in my frequency range too.
Look after your hearing kids. Limit noise exposure. Wear earplugs at loud events and don't blast your cans/earphones too loud and too long.
>>54309035
>>54308960
I don't get it. How do we know what it looks like?
>>54310834
>might
Let's get real here.
Also, this thread is 11/10 troll.
It's the most efficient troll thread I've seen this year. Bravo, OP.
>>54309284
>>54309072
I've been to several concerts where my ears have been ringing for 1-3 days after and I've still got full range. Wtf are you guys doing to yourselves
I can hear from like 26 to 16900
Should I kill myself?
>>54309223
She has a super fast metabolism or something. Some kind of medical issue anyway.
>>54325870
>super fast metabolism
Triggered me.
>>54308950
i could hear up to ~14k on my very mediocre speakers.
is it easier with headphones? i always thought i had decent hearing
>>54325540
>do test
>get 19-500 as a result
>go to swans concert
>can't hear anything beyond 14-000 now
welp
>>54325821
kys for posting kyoani garbage
>>54308950
>accurate representation of sound counts for nothing
el oh el
18,000ish
26
"cheap" M-Audio BX5 studio speakers
