>Macbooks are overpriced
>Ok, show me a similarly priced laptop with the same specs or better. Reminder that $1300 rMBPs are light, have a 2560x1600 retina display, 8GB RAM, outstanding battery life, NVMe SSDs and the best build quality and support in the business
>...
Can we finally put an end to this meme?
>trackpad impossible to click near upper edge
>extremely loose near bottom edge
>overall flimsy diving board piece of shit
>even applel themselves has admitted it's utter shit now and has trashed the design to go back to copying 90's era laptops with solid non-click touchpads
>still has no real buttons
>relies on pressure sensitive gimmick bullshit
>if you press too lightly or too hard it does something completely different than what you intended
>ultra shit tier zero travel chiclet keyboard
>OSX is a steaming pile of shit with horrendous battery management
>applel's solution is to cram in a massive heavy 95WHr battery to make up for it
>even XXXTREME GAMER cancer like razer blade with 4X the CPU/GPU power and 70WHr battery matches it in battery life
>gets BTFO by 55WHhr Yoga 2 in battery life in same tasks
>the battery takes up the space where a cooling system would've been in a laptop not designed by the world's thinnest and lightest gay hipsters
>overheats at the slightest task because abysmal crippled cooling system
>throttles to 800mhz because of chronic overheating problems
>retina meme supposedly for "pros" have have <70% aRGB
>blurry as shit retina meme scaling
>macshit is good
Can we finally put an end to this meme?
>>54272547
>trackpad impossible to click in upper edge
This has been fixed ages ago. Other manufacturers are still using a seperate button.
ASUS Zenbook UX303UB-DH74T Ultrabook
>Intel Core i7 6500U (2.50 GHz)
>12 GB Memory
>512 GB SSD NVIDIA
>GeForce 940M 2 GB
>13.3" IPS 3200 x 1800
>Touchscreen
>HD Camera
>costs $1200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=34-232-777
I found.
>>54272504
>2 USB ports
>>54272547
>anime poster
opinion discarded, you weeb shit
>>54272687
Original price is $1400 with a worse touchpad. Also 16:9 is down right awful.
>>54272739
i thought the new ones only have 1 usb port
>>54272772
>downright awful
cool opinion. i bet you still use 4:3
>>54272772
>Original price is $1400
And the price was lowered, congratulations for pointing that out.
Even if it was still $1400, is that not similarly priced to the $1300 macbook OP is shilling?
>>54272825
I believe that is the air, not the pro.
>>54272772
Are you retarded?
Almost everything is 16;9
>>54272547
This whole pasta can be debunked with a single visit to an apple store, but you won't since you're an animefag scum
>>54272908
Can buy MacBooks on sale too. Doesn't change the fact that they're $1300.
>>54272924
The rMBP isn't.
>>54272924
Using 16:9 as a work environment is horrible. For that 16:10 is more suitable.
>>54272547
back to desktop thread, weebshit
>>54272504
Couple years ago, rMBP 13 didn't have a decent competitor, but ultrabooks have caught up now. They're all around the $1300~$1400 range w/ the high dpi screen option.
>>54272504
>Can we finally put an end to this meme?
No because we all here hate Apple and that enough is a reason not to buy it and fling mud on the brand
Back to Macrumors faggot
>>54272950
The laptop I linked isn't on sale :)
Unless you consider a price lowering a permanent sale....
>>54273009
>we all here hate Apple
speak for yourself Pranjeet.
>>54272547
>trackpad impossible to click near upper edge
the new trackpads don't do this, update this pasta please
>extremely loose near bottom edge
? no?
>overall flimsy diving board piece of shit
????
>even applel themselves has admitted it's utter shit now and has trashed the design to go back to copying 90's era laptops with solid non-click touchpads
literally meaningless
>still has no real buttons
the fuck does this mean? it has a full keyboard
>relies on pressure sensitive gimmick bullshit
turn it off if you don't like it. it's actually really useful
>if you press too lightly or too hard it does something completely different than what you intended
no it doesn't you bullshitter
>ultra shit tier zero travel chiclet keyboard
it's a damn good laptop keyobard
>OSX is a steaming pile of shit with horrendous battery management
literally best batery managment of any os if you run default apps. you can literally get 14 hours of browsing out of it
>applel's solution is to cram in a massive heavy 95WHr battery to make up for it
a big battery that lasts an age is bad how?
>even XXXTREME GAMER cancer like razer blade with 4X the CPU/GPU power and 70WHr battery matches it in battery life
literally bullshit
>gets BTFO by 55WHhr Yoga 2 in battery life in same tasks
lol
>the battery takes up the space where a cooling system would've been in a laptop not designed by the world's thinnest and lightest gay hipsters
the cooling is fine. I literally play wow in my bed and it doesn't even heat up that bad
>overheats at the slightest task because abysmal crippled cooling system
only heats up when playing games. you will never get the fans spinning without running something really intensive
>throttles to 800mhz because of chronic overheating problems
but that's nopt true
>retina meme supposedly for "pros" have have <70% aRGB
lol
>blurry as shit retina meme scaling
how is it blurry? it's literally perfect. 10x better than anything windows does
>>54273027
It said $200 off.
>>54272504
LE RETINAAAAAA
>>54273059
LE FORCE TOUCH (TM)
>>54273045
Yeah, it's called "sales". As in, Newegg says it is on sale so more people buy it.
Here's another site where the laptop is listed for the same price:
http://www.buydig.com/mobile/product.aspx?sku=asux303ubdh74t&ref=pla&omid=103&utm_source=googlepla&utm_medium=cse&utm_item=asux303ubdh74t&cawelaid=230005120001030537&catargetid=230005120001165486&cadevice=m&gclid=cj0keqjw6ya5brddyoewyo_z_64beiqa-fvke6eik628lqx0oaljvcvftzgdrt3-so_fhmhpwzkuu64aarrh8p8haq
Can someone please report the thread? I'm on clover, and since I've got an ip range ban on my isp, I can't post or report without a pass, but clover doesn't send pass data when reporting
It's the same guy making the exact same thread every 2 weeks
Sage
>>54273070
So the original price is $1400 and Newegg has it on sale for $1200. Doesn't change the fact that it's a $1400 laptop.
If you can find an official word that the price was lowered to $1200 then we can conclude that it's $100 cheaper with a worse screen, worse touchpad, and legendary ASUS build quality and support.
>>54273083
>MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
>>54272504
macfags BTFO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834232777
vs
http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MF841LL/A&step=config
Macs are fucking sexy, I wanted to stick my dick in the new Macbook but I didn't find the port.
>>54273096
Here you go, $1200 from the ASUS website.
http://store.asus.com/us/item/201510AM160000430/A17602
>worse touchpad
How so?
>worse screen
Nope. Higher resolution, and touchscreen (if you're into that).
>bad build quality
I have no issue with ASUS build quality, especially since my laptop isn't glued together (Apple), so if I want to upgrade or do anything to it I can.
>>54272547
80% of this is true but the other half is exaggerated or outright false bullshit
only post the true stuff so people can't dismiss it. I'll help
>even applel themselves has admitted it's utter shit now and has trashed the design to go back to copying 90's era laptops with solid non-click touchpads
>still has no real buttons
>relies on pressure sensitive gimmick bullshit
>if you press too lightly or too hard it does something completely different than what you intended
>ultra shit tier zero travel chiclet keyboard
>OSX is a steaming pile of shit with horrendous battery management
>applel's solution is to cram in a massive heavy 95WHr battery to make up for it
>even XXXTREME GAMER cancer like razer blade with 4X the CPU/GPU power and 70WHr battery matches it in battery life
>gets BTFO by 55WHhr Yoga 2 in battery life in same tasks
>the battery takes up the space where a cooling system would've been in a laptop not designed by the world's thinnest and lightest gay hipsters
>overheats at the slightest task because abysmal crippled cooling system
>throttles to 800mhz because of chronic overheating problems
>retina meme supposedly for "pros" have have <70% aRGB
>blurry as shit retina meme scaling
>macshit is good
Can we finally put an end to this meme?
and the proposed alternative should be the chromebook pixel 2 ls with your choice of gnu/linux
>not having your os and hardware come from the same designer
poorfags will never know how great it feels
>>54273402
>not having many different options to suit your needs/wants
Applefags will never know how great it feels
>>54273096
>Doesn't change the fact that it's a $1400 laptop.
thats exactly what it does though
>>54273419
Oh but I do, I have a rMBP and a self built Desktop PC.
>>54273298
>Battery
>50WHrs, 3S1P, 3-cell Li-ion Polymer Battery Pack
>Battery Life
>Up to 7 Hour(s)
into the trash
>>54273435
Forgot to add I had to get rid of so much bloatware, the drivers were full of it, even Windows was full of bloat.
>>54273435
And what advantage do you have as a result of your OS and laptop coming from the same company?
>>54273419
but macbook pros can run linux and windows
>>54273470
There are also hardware options.
Also, if you run Linux or Windows on a mbp, then your hardware and software are no longer from the same manufacturer. Which was the point of the post I was responding to
>>54273497
but your post is still retarded
>>not having many different options to suit your needs/wants
you said that applefags will never know this feel even though the truth is that they know that feel better than anyone else
>>54273455
>better display
>better ram
>better gpu
>hundreds cheaper
get rekt macfag
>>54272687
>nVidia SSD
u wot m8?
>>54272504
>NO GPU
>NO GPU
>NO GPU
>>54273520
>better display
kek
>>54273549
> muh gaymes
t. rajeev
>>54273520
im typing this on a thinkpad.
>better display
no. more pixels but worse quality and worse screen ratio
>better ram
more ram, not better ram
>better gpu
marginally. the iris pro is on the 920m level. the difference is that the iris pro is integrated and thus inherently better for a laptop
>hundreds cheaper
one hundred dollars cheaper, and for that you get
>worse processor
>worse screen
>half the battery life
>worse input devices
>worse storage
>worse build quality
its an alright laptop but it's not better at being a laptop than a macbook pro. maybe if your measure of judging a computer is how well it plays CSGO when plugged then yeah the mac will be worse at that
>>54273389
Pretty skeptical of the battery life claims. MBA and MBP 13 do fine on battery life tests. Sounds like some MBP 15 just failed a battery stress test
heat/throttling complains probably about the fanless macbook w/ intels m cpu shit
>>54273549
>iris pro
>no gpu
top kek. unless you have something like an msi gs40 you have no right to brag about a dedicated gpu in your laptop
I have an 840m in mine right now and it causes more problems than it fixes
>>54273587
thats pretty true though. they have twice the battery capacity of almost any other laptop but not twice the runtime.
a thinkpad t460 configured with 48whr + 24whr can get 16 hours easy where as a 95whr macbook pro will get 12 max
the thinkpad t560 and x260 are advertised at 22-24 hours of battery life
>>54273587
>heat/throttling complains probably about the fanless macbook w/ intels m cpu shit
this is from notebookcheck's review of the 2015 macbook pro 13
>However, the processor still suffers from throttling due to TDP limitations under maximum load and drops to 1.8 GHz (CPU) and 800 MHz (GPU) in our stress test. Intel's temperature limit of 105 °C is fully utilized by Apple and we were able to see up to 103 °C for the CPU cores for a brief moment
>>54273516
Really? If I wanted to buy a new macbook, how many options do I have? 6.
That's not many.
>>54273652
you have more options on a macbook than you have on any other computer. thats the point.
your post makes no sense at all
>>54272504
My alienware was a better deal and no macbook can match its performance
When looking for a laptop I actually started at MacBook Pro, but they were all too slow
>>54273688
Alienware has a completely different target audience with their shit tier design and quality though.
>>54273710
>shit tier design and quality
alienware laptops are certainly overpriced and ugly, and I would never recommend one, but purchasing a laptop based on how pretty it looks is fucking retarded. What are you a women's studies major?
And as for quality, macbooks have awful keyboards and the air is such shit it cant play youtube videos without overheating.
>>54272957
literally no difference, autist.
>>54273776
>overpriced
I dunno, mine was very competitively priced at $1549
>>54273776
I am an EE major, but still, if I drop >$1000 on a laptop I want it to look at least half way decent. Currently using a Latitude 7450 and not a Macbook, if that matters.
Macbook keyboards are decent and on par with the new Lenovo/Dell/HP ones, and the overheating thing is a meme. Try harder.
>>54273926
>the overheating thing is a meme. Try harder.
Shill harder.
>>54273926
>the overheating thing is a meme
no it isnt. My mentally disabled Macfag sibling got a macbook air. Fucking thing literally couldnt play youtube videos.
>Macbook keyboards are decent
I disagree. It takes me twice as long to type shit because the keystrokes never register. I'll be typing shit, realize the letter A didnt register, hit the delete key to retype the word, then resume typing until it happens again in the very next sentence. It's only apple keyboards that do this to me, and it happens at every single school from middle school to college. They are garbage.
>I want it to look half way decent.
well if Apple styling really matters that much to you go ahead and pay $500 extra for your aluminum body. I'll be in the real world making practical decisions.
>>54274087
>well if Apple styling really matters that much to you go ahead and pay $500 extra for your aluminum body. I'll be in the real world making practical decisions.
Thats not even what I said but ok, proceed with your blind hatred and "practical decisions"
>>54274283
Enjoy spending $2,000 on a laptop with a two year lifespan.
61 responses
only 26 posters
>looks like OP has a life beyond masturbating to gay pron in his mom's basement
>>54273680
Really? Last time I checked there are more than 6 laptops that aren't macbooks. There are far more options as to what computer when you choose to not buy Apple.
>>54273776
design and quality has a lot more to it than just looks
if youve ever had a good laptop you'd know
>>54274889
this is the most non-argument retarded thing anyone has ever said
>there are a lot of laptops that aren't macbooks
>that's a mark against macbooks!
I mean holy shit I dont even like macs but fuck off
>Macbooks are overpriced
More @11:00
>>54272687
I'm sorry senpai I was torn between this one and a Macbook, the moment I tried the trackpad I puked. It literally had input lag, needless to say I made up my mind on the spot.
>>54273800
these kids man...
>>54272950
>The rMBP isn't.
That's another thing to add to >>54272547's list, then.
>>54275028
I mean it in the point that a person buying a laptop has much more options for a laptop when they choose to get a non-macbook.
I just have to explain every little part of my point to Mr. OP because he can't grasp the concept that far more laptops provides a greater diversity of what is included in the laptops, which gives more choice to the buyer.
Just get a Dell XPS.
>>54275077
... being 16:10 is a plus for the macbook your retarded dumbass
>>54272504
>aww yeah /g/ look at me logically defeating this strawman!!
Dude we know, MacBooks are decent. There's no need to post this shit everyday.
>>54275137
>calls someone retarded and a dumbass in the same sentence
>does so by saying "your retarded dumbass"
Projecting.
>>54275188
>doesn't know what projecting means
>thinks typos reflect intelligence
you are a retarded dumbass
>>54273083
>the exact same thread every 2 weeks
That's literally all /g/ is
>>54275230
>doesn't know what projecting means
Psychological Projectionis a theory in psychologyin which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denyingtheir existence while attributingthem to others.For example, a person who is habitually rudemay constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporatesblame shifting.
According to some research, the projection of one's negative qualities onto others is a common process ineveryday life.
>implies typos don't reflect intelligence
>takes time to type projection correctly
Keep telling yourself that.
>>54275387
>he thinks typos are the same as misspellings
kill yourself
>>54275571
>implying typos and misspellings are different
According to Merriam Webster, a typo is: a mistake (such as a misspelled word) in typed or printed text.
>>54272687
>touchscreen
>>54272504
Oh look, this thread again.
>>54275052
forgot which company, but msft worked with one ultrabook manufacturer to make a nonshitty touchpad. The asus ones are still garbage sadly
Yoga 3 pro for less than 1200 $
>>54276083
The trackpads on their surface lineup is good, but there was no way I was going to buy a photoframe with a keyboard attached, and the Surface book is even more overpriced than Macbooks.
>>54275914
kill yourself
>>54273926
>Macbook keyboards are decent and on par with the new Lenovo/Dell/HP ones
Bullshit, are you comparing it to their consumer or business models?
Lenovo Thinkpads have the only good chiclet shit keyboards that ever exist, because they have large travel distance, especially the P50/P70
>>54275959
>can be disabled
>>54276228
>tfw you know you're wrong so you resort to "KYS"
>>54272504
>same specs
Enough to do basic tasks but not enough to do actual hardware intensive tasks such as rendering or gaming.
>Light
Sure
>2560x1600 display
Apple literally has a monopoly on 16:10 laptop screens right now, we all learned this when people wanted Lenovo to give the New Retro Thinkpad a 1920x1200 display, which we found out they couldn't do because of Apple's contracts.
Also, scaled shit doesn't count.
>8GB ram
Sure, this is useful for VMs and for browsers, which are two things Macbooks can actually do
>Battery life
Sure
>NVMe SSDs
Sure, though a SATA 3.0 SSD does come close in speed
>Build quality
Sure
Okay, we've acknowledged the requirements, now let's see.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-Core-i5-2-6Ghz-Premium-IPS-Display-8GB-Webcam-320GB-Win-7-/141737719128?hash=item210039f558:g:BDkAAOSw3ydVsm5D
X220 for $250, has IPS panel and 8GB ram
Get this, get an 850 Evo of whatever size you want (120Gb to match the $1300 is $68, but let's spend $20 more for 256Gb), get a 9-cell battery if you want 9 hours of battery life instead of 6, which costs $80 for a genuine Lenovo on Amazon. Total comes out to $418. I actually managed to do this myself for only $350 since I found a $250 X220 with the 9-cell included, but I don't see any for sale right now, so I won't count it.
The only things this fails to do that your $1300 Macbook offers hardware-wise is the display resolution (limited to 1366x768), and the SSD isn't NVME, but that's relatively trivial right now. In return, you get a much better trackpack, delicious clitmouse, and a better keyboard.
If you want a 1080p display, a T420 can be had within a similar price-range, though it won't be as light.
>>54276612
>X220 for $250, has IPS panel and 8GB ram
>1366x768
>1366x768
>1366x768
>1366x768
>1366x768
Dropped.
>>54276612
>Sure, though a SATA 3.0 SSD does come close in speed
I sure hope you're joking about this
>>54276612
>Used
Joke post? Thinktards are so fucking embarrassing.
>>54276938
No, thinkpads are durable so buying used doesn't matter
>>54276953
Yeah and MacBook pros are $100 because that's what my friend sold me one for.
Out.
>>54276976
But for thinkpads that's the price of pretty much any sale, not just your friend
>>54276884
>Using a M.2 and not a standard 2.5 inch drive
Its almost like your trying to be serious, but still only post bait
>>54272504
>2560x1600
>153
LEL
>>54277974
15"*
>>54277931
Show me any sata 3.0 drives that come close to the 950 Pro lol
I don't mind having this discussion in earnest, but if using the exact same text and image a dozen times isn't spamming, I don't know what is.
>>54278005
Not come close but a 850 will max out a S3 port all day long, something your M.2 can't do.
>>54278131
My 950 Pro more than maxes out a S3 port, you're not really making any point here.
I was only refuting this:
>>54276612
>Sure, though a SATA 3.0 SSD does come close in speed
I promise they don't come close to speed
Apple is for girls to browse pintetest.
>>54272504
I'm going to need a custom adblocker to browse /g/ at this point, family
>>54276884
>>54278160
Going from an HDD to an SSD provides a substantial boost in speeds, and going from an SATA 3.0 SSD to an NVMe also provides a substantial boost in speeds.
Something that takes 30 seconds to load on an HDD (say, a level of Skyrim or something) would take only a couple seconds on a SATA 3.0 SSD. Something that takes a couple seconds to load on a SATA 3.0 SSD would take 1 or 2 seconds to load on an NVMe SSD. You're still getting good factors of improvement, but raw time differences are suffering from severely diminishing returns.
>>54278160
>more than
How the fuck would you know if it was beyond the scope of its transfer method? You cannot make that claim.
Stupid tripfag.
>>54272924
Doesn't make it right
>>54279009
lol, kid it's not like the drive will magically interface in some other way to make it fast
>>54273387
I am not a shill, but the MacBook is glued for a very good reason.
Could you imagine how much it would cost to mill aluminium with standoffs to screw in the hardware?
Adhesive is the only viable solution. And worth the trade off for not having a moulded plastic piece of shit.
>>54279258
The fucking Dell XPS manages to have non-glued hardware
>>54277069
This OP
>>54272504
>>54279258
>Could you imagine how much it would cost
lol so poor
>>54278160
The write speed of the M.2 was well below what a normal 2.5 could do, thats all i was really trying to get across
>>54279740
both drives I tested were m.2, and no regular 2.5 inch drive would have matched the faster one
>>54279784
Then you have something broke, my Velociraptor gets better write speeds than the S3 SSD you have.
>>54279864
that one is a piece of shit, my point is that non-nvme drives are nowhere near as fast which is contrary to the claim of >>54276612
>>54272687
This must be the 3rd or 4th time I see this thread and finally somebody posted something competing.
Although if Asus says it has "up to 7h" battery life, it's probably more in the 6h territory, so quite inferior compared to 8h+ with rMBP. 16:9 is quite lame too. Obviously much worse trackpad too but at least competitively priced.
Don't exactly make the rMBP overpriced though.
>>54272924
Almost everything is 1080p or lower too, what kind of retarded point is it?
>>54273007
>They're all around the $1300~$1400 range w/ the high dpi screen option.
Which kills the "MACBOOKS ARE SO EXPENSIVE" meme.
>>54273633
>because anybody is going to use something with 100% cpu/gpu load at the same time for long periods of time
Also isn't it for the Windows performance?
>>54276339
Travel isn't everything, Macbook keyboards are always rated as one of the best. Your subjective opinion is pretty irrelevant for this discussion.
>>54276612
>Apple literally has a monopoly on 16:10 laptop screens right now
How comes MS and Google got respectable aspect ratio too? Why would anybody accept that they get inferior ratio because they buy from manufacturers who jew out?
>Sure, though a SATA 3.0 SSD does come close in speed
Not really, the speed difference is about 100% if not more, obviously it's not that noticeable since any SSD is damn nice but they are not "close."
As for the X220 meme, it's kay if you want a decent laptop and can't spend a bit more but the screen alone is a joke, even if it were superior at every other aspect and free.
>>54277069
The i5 on rMBP is 28W, so it blows away the 15W one on XPS. Also the 12h battery life on 13" 4K XPS is pure bullshit, it lasts 6h+
Then again, you claimed that Dells support is good, so probably a troll.
>>54276612
>x220
>2 hour max battery life with a normal looking battery
>4 if you're lucky with a battery sticking out of the back
Anything more than that and you need a battery the size of the laptop itself attached to the bottom
Also its like 3 gens behind CPU and GPU wise. Intel's made a bunch of power usage improvements since then, and their iGPUs are exponentially faster now
Posted from my x220t
>>54278954
God I want to throw an SSD in my x220t. It has a 5400rpm piece of shit in it right now and 4GB of RAM. I have to wait 30 seconds at a time before my system responds every few hours. If I wasn't putting crazy amounts of l-theamine into my body I'd have ripped this thing apart with my bare hands by now
![discarded[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pU8wmFQ.jpg "discarded[1].jpg")
>>54272504
>CPU throttles to 800mhz under load
Can we put an end to actually shilling products on /g/?
advertisements are against the rules.
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=%3EMacbooks+are+overpriced+%3EOk%2C+show+me+a+similarly+priced+laptop+with+the+same+specs+or+better.&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=op&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=post
>>54280579
Can we start with Thinkpad threads?
>>54280618
Thinkpad threads are not the same stale pasta reposted over and over. People actually discuss their Thinkpads there, and often heavily criticize them.
>>54280632
I fail to see how this thread is any different
>>54280579
I suggest you start with Apple and then proceed to worrying about decade old cum covered business line shittops
>>54274071
Simply untrue in real world applications like video rendering.
They must have been using something like prime95
>>54273037
>posted from your neighborhood Apple store
>>54280632
That's exactly what they are
>>54280632
Back when I still browsed Thinkpad threads I remember it consisting mainly of tripfags posting pictures of their Thinkpads with anime figure and dragon dildos and circlejerking with each other
>>54276362
>tfw you know you're arguing with someone so stubbornly retarded you actually hope they die
kill yourself
>>54276612
>If you want a 1080p display, a T420
NOPE
FUCKING NOPE
but otherwise you aren't wrong
It's insane how many poormad fags in this thread are going to be blown the fuck out YET AGAIN when Apple refreshes the rMBP in May.
>>54280094
>100% cpu/gpu load at the same time for long periods of time
you dont need to do that to make it throttle. it can't handle anything beyond web browsing and because chrome on osx is so shit it actually throttles on it
>>54280094
>Travel isn't everything, Macbook keyboards are always rated as one of the best.
travel actually is the only thing you can measure on a laptop tier keyboard
>Your subjective opinion is pretty irrelevant for this discussion.
the only person with a subjective opinion on this matter is you. macbook keyboards are objectively mediocre if not bad
>>54280094
>How comes MS and Google got respectable aspect ratio too?
because it's not 16:10; MS has 3:2 and Google has 15:10
>>54272547
It's like you haven't even used the trackpad. It's hands down the best one I've ever used.
>>54280094
Are you a retard? If the TDP is higher doesn't mean it's better. You just said the MacBook has an older Core i5 Ultra consuming almost double the wattage.
>>54281491
No, but it does mean that it's FASTER when you need it to be faster. That particular CPU comes in two packages: a 15W package and a 28W package. The 28W package has more processing power than the 15W package. Pretty much all other ultrabooks came with the 15W package when the rMBP was last refreshed, therefore it was objectively faster than pretty much all other ultrabooks. This will likely be the same case when the rMBP is refreshed again soon.
The thread ended here >>54272547
>>54277069
The rMBP in the OP is €1499
>>54272504
>2560x1600 display
>on a laptop with Intel integrated graphics
>on any laptop
>a good thing
Yeah I just love system resources being consumed for the sake of making text and 4k video slightly sharper all while making the laptop run super fucking hot and drain battery like a motherfucker.
>>54281383
And do you have any proof for your claim? At very least personal experience with it?
>>54281399
>travel actually is the only thing you can measure on a laptop tier keyboard
>what is feel, key size/distance, noise, pressure, mushy-ness, layout
Or are you going with the LAPTOP KEYBOARDS ARE BAAAD - meme?
>macbook keyboards are objectively mediocre if not bad
As said in every review ... oh right.
>>54281413
Which are closer to 16:10 than 16:9 cancer for sure. So why are only software manufacturers investing into worthwhile displays for work and why would anybody buy some crippled shit for series and vidya?
>>54281491
>If the TDP is higher doesn't mean it's better
Not per se obviously not but we talk about nearly identical CPU architecture from the same manufacturer made in same 14nm process. Current i5 rMBP is slightly faster than i7 XPS, while being one generation behind.
>>54281874
>run super fucking hot and drain battery like a motherfucker
Neither is a problem with Macbooks, the temps and battery life are great despite having a good display.
Also it's not just about having much sharper text and not seeing pixels, the extra screen estate is lovely too.
>>54282018
"According to the specified clock rates and the improved architecture, the Core i7-6500U should perform similar to a Core i5-4300M (Haswell, 37 W) or a Core i7-5600U (Broadwell, 15 W)." - http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-6500U-Notebook-Processor.149431.0.html
The i7 on the XPS is Skylake, 14nm, that is why has a lower TDP.
Ultra vs Ultra the i7 performs better, has hypertreading, higher clock and more cache.
>>54282470
>i7-5600U (Broadwell, 15 W)
While rMBP starts with a 28W Broadwell i5 and can be upgraded to i7 too.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i5-5257U-Notebook-Processor.127680.0.html
>hypertreading
Holy shit! Just like Core M, i3 and any not shit mobile CPU.
>clock
rMBP i5 got 2.7 - 3.1 GHz (2 Cores: 3.1 GHz as well)
XPS i7 got 2.5 - 3.1 GHz (2 cores: max. 3.0 GHz)
Not like clock matters.
Pretty sure Iris is better than 520 though.
>cache
1MB more.
>>54282061
>temps are great
maybe browsing the internet, but under full load these fuckers run hot as hell. and the ones with dedicated graphics have horrible overheating issues (ranging from throttling to ~2ghz to 800mhz and killing gpus)
>>54282782
Do you have any definition for "hot as hell"? The only place that is really uncomfortable to hold are the cooler grills under the display, not something you will ever touch unless you actively want to.
I did vidya tests on 2012 Air for the fuck of it (Dragon Age and GTA IV) for couple hours and never had any problems with temps or throttling, only the fan noise was annoying as fuck.
Can't comment on the ones with ded. GPU since I never had one and a laptop with a ded. GPU misses the point I'd say.
>>54282893
the 2012 and later airs are the only ones that don't horribly burn you, but the 2011 and earlier airs and all the pros run really hot.
right above the heatsink (and below which you would probably touch if you needed to move it) on my pros regularly runs at about 120F under load, and it's slightly worse right by the cpu and gpu
>>54283007
Oh so laptops from 4 years ago are worse
I understand
>>54283007
>120F
That's not very lap-friendly indeed, although not THAT extreme. 13" Alienware reaches 140F for example, that's pretty much unuseable.
Besides, the temps outside of the zone are pretty nice and it's not like you're going to edit 4K movies while resting the laptop on your balls.
>>54282018
>>what is feel
feel is key travel
> key size/distance
they're all the same
>pressure, mushy-ness,
also key travel
>LAPTOP KEYBOARDS ARE BAAAD - meme?
membrane keyboards are shit: fact
>As said in every review
which is just peoples subjective opinion which is warped by the fact that they like the trackpad so much. you paired a macbook trackpad with a thinkpad keyboard and nobody would praise the mac keyboard ever again
The Retina MBP refresh at WWDC is going to make this thread obsolete
>>54272504
>toshiba kira book vs macbook air
>>54273037
It actually does throttle to 800mhz. Do your research. Its the same with the iphones, they downclock the processors to stop heat issues
>>54283128
>feel is key travel
So it affects the texture and materials? Fascinating!
>they're all the same
Not really, there are tons of variations, with small keys and no distance between them, and huge keys with too much distance between them; and everything between the extremes.
>also key travel
Key travel doesn't affect the flex, nor is it the single indicator of how hard you have to push a key until it registers. Also there are loose and stiff keys.
>which is just peoples subjective opinion which is warped by the fact that they like the trackpad so much.
Unlike your objective wisdom, interesting.
>you paired a macbook trackpad with a thinkpad keyboard and nobody would praise the mac keyboard ever again
And you think the world's richest company couldn't pull off something like that after they confirmed in objective testing, that their keyboard is inferior? As seen with the screen aspect ratio, Apple doesn't jew around about important things and the keyboard is in the top 5.
>>54283318
rMBP with design language from Retina Macbook would be damn lovely.
>>54283787
>nor is it the single indicator of how hard you have to push a key until it registers
that is *exactly* what key travel is
>Key travel doesn't affect the flex
I'll give you that one at least; thats just objectively true
>Apple doesn't jew around about important things and the keyboard is in the top 5
the keyboard is one of only a few things on macbooks that apple doesnt give a shit about at all
they use cheap and thin plastic keys with very little key travel at all. the macbook 12 even has one of the worst keyboards on any laptop sold today
>>54283921
>that is *exactly* what key travel is
You missed the part that some keyboards have loose keys, where it's enough to partially push it for it to register, while others with stiffer keys need a stronger push, even if the LENGTH they travel is the same.
>keys with very little key travel at all
Which everybody sans ThinkPad fanboys and mechanical keyboard autist likes. Macbooks aren't exactly a niche product, do you really think they would do nothing about improving the keyboards if a significant amount of people would complain about it? Or are you implying that Macbooks are so much better than any other laptop, that people prefer them despite the shit keyboard?
>macbook 12 even has one of the worst keyboards on any laptop sold today
By your own MUH KEY TRAVEL standards which are as subjective as it gets. Find a single review calling it horrible or bad.
>>54284086
>Which everybody...likes
they like it but they're wrong; like people who "prefer" to watch netflix on their phone, like people who "prefer" to listen to pandora over cds or even 320kb mp3s, like people who "prefer" touch screen keyboards on phones over physical ones... most people like things that suck so long as it's the only easy option and they get used to it
>key travel
>subjective
you keep pointing to reviews almost as if that were a more objective source than the measurement of key travel
>>54283787
>rMBP with design language from Retina Macbook
>>54284261
>"prefer" to watch netflix on their phone
Depending on location, it can be more comfortable, especially if they don't have a small and light laptop to watch it in bed.
>pandora over cds or even 320kb mp3s
Completely different technologies, for completely different purposes. Besides, nobody but autists with the right equipment would even notice a difference.
>touch screen keyboards on phones over physical ones
For one there are practical reasons ... besides, small physical keyboards are the epitome of chancer.
>most people like things that suck so long as it's the only easy option and they get used to it
Yes, the entire world got it wrong, luckily there are still some people left who know the truth! Glad there are still some people who know it best!
>key travel
>subjective
The relevance of it is.
Reviews show that there are other factors to consider and that people like the keyboad(s). Whether you like them is a different question but instead of being somehow reasonable and admitting that YOU like longer key travel, you go full autism and pretend that it's the only criteria.
>>54284378
It doesn't have to be as thin/wedge, these are completely different devices after all but the MBP design is unchanged for over half a decade now, it's getting boring. Smaller bezels (perhaps allowing a bigger screen), lesser wasted space on the base and that baller ass lower bezel, plus space grey option.
>>54277069
You forgot to mention that Windows' display scaling is broken as fuck, especially with multiple windows, and any Linux distro just can't do it at all.
Alright, I'll admit it, I want a 15' macbook pro so fucking bad. But I just can't afford it.
What's the closest thing I can get for a max of $700?
>>54286234
Don't fall for the 15" meme dude. Just get 13".
>>54272504
Nigga there are no similarly priced laptops because all laptops that are that good are way less expensive.
>>54286394
Link?
>>54286421
Surface book had same/similar PPI same shitty graphics storage is not vme but it's ssd very similar shitty cpu and a compact and an unbeatable form factor.
>>54286506
Any link?
>>54272504
>Macbooks are overpriced
>Uses Macbook pro as counter point
Two different products you retard cuck.
>>54286508
http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/microsoft-surface-book-1306306/review/2
Here's the specs sheet. Actually is better than I expected and almost 2k cheaper.
>>54286542
what are you talking about? the surface book is more expensive than the rMBP
>>54286691
Holy fuck. Was unintentionally looking at Canadian prices on the macbook home page. The discrepancy is fucking crazy
>Macbook keyboards are always rated as one of the best.
you must be completely fucking retarded if you eat that shit up
>retarded apple fan reviewing an apple laptop
>won't badmouth the standard shitty laptops keys that go glossy after a year of use
>"it's up there in the top 5 keyboards, guise!"
i can't really not disregard the opinion of a retard that even takes the time to touch turds made by apple
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Pretty sure I would hire the guy in the hoodie. The suit is old and probably don't know anything about modern programming. He's probably stuck talking about SOA.
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>Using 16:9 as a work environment is horrible. For that 16:10 is more suitable.
what's wrong with you?
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>>54275137
why should that be a plus? it's just the typical "different" applel thing. You wont even notice if u didn't knew.
>>54286979
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I got given a late 2008 macbook pro which didnt turn on.
Ultrasonically cleaned the mobo. Replaced the keyboard for 35$.
Added an SSD, upgraded ram to 8GB.
Talked to apple support for a couple hours to get it up and running with el capitan, at zero cost.
It is giving me the same framerates in games as my 2012 lenovo i5 with a 1gb radeon.
Just to be clear, I am a poorfag, and will probably never buy an apple product, but I do admire the build quality.
>>54272504
>Light
>Meme resolution
Memes that don't fucking matter
>Build quality
Fucking lie
>>54286944
Autism probably
>>54286988
>from to being with
lolwut
>>54286994
The piece of shit was broken and you admire its build quality?
Why does everybody lose 90% of their IQ whenever they come in possession of an Apple product.
>>54287006
He accidentally his grammar
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>>54280094
>The i5 on rMBP is 28W, so it blows away the 15W one on XPS
CPU on XPS can pull up to 25W when necessary, and skylake is alot more efficent than the throttling mac processor.
>Also the 12h battery life on 13" 4K XPS is pure bullshit, it lasts 6h
Its not, I've used it for 8h without getting below 50% battery while connected to wireless.
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>>54287022
It was broken because the original owner spilled soda over it.
He didnt want to shell out 500$+ to fix it, and was going to bin it.
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>>trackpad impossible to click near upper edge
I haven't used a single laptop that lets you click near the upper edge
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>>54286234
Don't bother. $700ish is a horrible bracket, either get a cumpad or save up. Maybe you can get one from last gen though.
Also why the fuck 15"?
>>54286537
Macbook Pro is a Macbook, isn't it? Besides, it's the one you can compare with other laptops pretty easy. Air and non Retina MBP are obsolete and 12" Macbook is almost unique in the sub KG niche.
>>54286709
Well, Canadian dollar isn't worth much these days.
>>54286735
It's the only objective measurement we got. I like X, you like Y is perfectly legitimate but worthless for comparison.
>>54286767
You could try washing your hands from time to time.
>>54286944
What's wrong with you, anon? Why do you want to give away screen estate?
>>54286987
>you won't notice a 16:10 screen from a 16:9
Anon ... do you even stop for a second, just a second and think before you post?
>>54287069
>CPU on XPS can pull up to 25W when necessary
...
>I've used it for 8h without getting below 50% battery while connected to wireless.
With shit brightness or 1080p screen or idling. The 4K one doesn't even come close to 8h with normal light use.
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right, I've blown my load
>>54287174
Fuck off iShill. /g/ is officially Dell xps territory.
>>54287187
Top fucking kek,that guy is fucking stupid.
>>54272504
we cant because everytime we do you make another thread.
>>54278131
the 950 pro is around 2.5GB/sec, you retard, while the sata3 port is 600MB/sec
>>54287194
It's also an 18+ board, so what are you doing here?
>>54287174
>With shit brightness or 1080p screen or idling. The 4K one doesn't even come close to 8h with normal light use.
4k one indeed with 20% brightness.
>implying mac lasts 10h connected to wireless with full brightness
>>54272504
>retina
What's next from Apple? Loudspeakers with extra umphh in the 0-20 and +20 000 Hz ranges?
>>54287221
The Mac is outdated as fuck in all fronts. They don't even use IGZO panels on the Pro, they use the old as fuck, defect ridden A-Si type panels which suck huges amounts of power, have shit color accuracy compared to competitors, and even their own iDevices. The CPU is Broadwell-based when Skylake has been out for more than half a year ago.
>>54287204
What other laptop than some Asus that's 100 bucks cheaper did anybody post?
And not like 100 bucks is much when we're talking about spending over 1000. If the Macbooks are so expensive, surely there is a 600 bucks laptop that can match them at everything?
Let's even ignore touchpad and OSX.
>>54287221
Not full but something around 70-80% for 8h+ browsing. So 10h with 20% should be easy.
(Not sure whether the Dell screen is brighter or not but it's certainly not such a huge difference)
Also isn't 4K version more expensive for Americucks? Euro version is cheaper though.
>>54287247
Skylake came out in August 2015, rMBP was released in Mai.
>>54287267
What's stopping them from releasing a late 2015 version?
>>54287290
Absolutely retarded product fragmentation? Early 2015 with Broadwell, Mid 2015 with Skylel, Late 2015 with IGZO screen, Very Late 2015 with Rose Gold option. Anon, please.
There is no windows laptop that really matches with the rMBP other than the surface book.
But consider this:
The rMBP is a piece of encapsulated shit that you have no way of fixing once it craps out on you. If you do any accidental damage to it you're essentially fucked.
The rMBP is not good for anything other than browsing the web and coding your shitty app, if you're literraly dropping $1300 on a facebook machine you might aswell get a chromebook.
You praise the rMBP as if it's some sort of miracle but if you try to do anything even close to Intense use it starts heating up and soon enough it's too hot to touch. It's not a machine anyone looking to do serious resource intensive work should be getting.
I get why some people spend $1300 on a disposable computer but that's fucking retarded and these threads serve as nothing more than an advertisement of how much a consumerist shill of a board /g/ is.
>>54287318
>There is no windows laptop that really matches with the rMBP other than the surface book.
Ah, you started so well and then memes happened.
Also because it's so funny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnapaZYD2cU
>>54287333
>Calling out rampant consumerism is now memes
>>54272825
>you want to use your usb key?
>well, just unplug your mouse, it's really easy
thanks Apple
>>54287371
The entire bullshit about heat and it having not enough power for most users is an absolute meme. Obviously it won't match a desktop but that's something everybody sane expects when buying a laptop that doesn't weight as much as a desktop.
It being pretty hard to fix is true but how many people will be really affected by it?
A: Somebody unlucky enough to buy faulty hardware, it will be replaced by Applel.
B: Somebody fucking something up, well that's what you get for being a fucking clumsy idiot.
C: Battery degradation, takes around 3-4 years to be really annoying, how many people use the same laptop for 4 years? How many of these people would drop 1300 on one in the first place?
Before you drop the MUH CONSUMERISM card about point C ... consider the advances made in the last 4 years, why would you willingly skip on that?
>>54287408
>mouse
>macbook
Clearly never used the trackpad.
>>54273031
Whoa are you calling Pajeet,Abbdul Homoqbal
>>54272504
I would rather have this than being seen with fruit product.
>>54287572
The Surface looks so fucking professional, you could be watching gay midget porn on it and you'd still look respectable.
Microsoft really nails the manly design, especially with the Zune.
>>54287318
>surface book
not really, I'd say the biggest "rMPB killer" is the XPS line. Very light, powerful enough for most tasks, very expensive and has a nice aesthetic, I'd say the only difference is one runs OSX while the other doesn't
>>54287625
Surface Pro looks nice, Surface book doesn't.
>>54287625
There is nothing professional about the toy looking keyboard.
>>54287661
16:9 disqualifies the XPS series, it's a ridiculous aspect ratio for a professional laptop. Otherwise it's pretty nice and probably the second best Windows laptop. It's sad that Dell had to fuck it up, 16:10 would be absolutely based with the bezels.
Surfacebook is literally the only Windows laptop with a respectable screen. Once they fix the hinge and battery life in tablet mode, it will be a truly viable alternative not just for people who hate OSX.
I've always wondered, whay's the point of having a superfast 1GBps PCIE ssd on a macbook/macbpok pro when you can't do any heavy work with it?
It's not like you're gonna use it to render shit as it has an ultrabook cpu and can't handle the heat from this kind of use.
A regular SSD would achieve the exact same thing user-wise, it's not like you can notice the difference between a 200mBps or 1000mBps ssd during everyday use
Is it only for marketing?
macbook pros are the best laptops available today. the fact that every other manufacturer just copies whatever they come up with and they wait for apple to introduce the new models and then copying their shit should be enough of an evidence. expect a lot of "pressure touch" and pressure sense" and "touch sense" and shit trackpads on windows laptops in 2016
>>54287894
macbook pros are used heavily in creative industries. fast storage is a plus for them
>>54287733
after having 16:9 on figuratively every laptop on the market, your eyes adjust to it and you stop giving too many shits. Yes 16:10 is better but hey so are physical trackpad buttons but no one seems to make those anymore either.
XPS remains in my eyes the biggest competitor to the Macbook line
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>>54287733
That wasn't an image of a Surface Book, for what it's worth.
Here's a comparison of the Book with the previous Surface design.
>>54272772
But they are 16:10...
>>54288229
>expect a lot of "pressure touch" and pressure sense" and "touch sense" and shit trackpads on windows laptops in 2016
Isn't the tech patented?
I wonder why Windows can't copy touch gestures already. Without it, their trackpads are so incredible shit compared to Apple ones, even when they use same material. It certainly can't be that hard given that Google did it.
>>54288292
There are exceptions, anon, so I don't see a reason to adjust to something worse. Just like high resolution displays, work day long battery life or the weight of ultrabooks, once you experienced it, it feels so wrong to go back.
> physical trackpad buttons
Dear Lord, no. Having the buttons wherever you want is so much nicer.
>XPS remains in my eyes the biggest competitor to the Macbook line
SurfaceBook seems more similar to rMBP, be it aspect ratio, price, battery life or even the size. Oh and performance with better CPU on rMBP but better GPU option on SB. (Besides the whole MS vs Apple thing)
I'd say XPS is closer to Air (size/performance), but with clearly better screen and weaker battery life or to 12" Macbook but with faster CPU and muh ports vs more weight and size.
Why do you think XPS is a bigger competitor than SB?
>>54288499
surface book isn't a laptop. it doesn't compete in the same market as traditional laptops. it's a really fancy 2-in-1
Is there any point in comparing Ultrabooks now anyways? Better to wait before classes start again next semester.
>>54288608
Well that's true, although it can be used as normal laptop sans not being able to close it, without some crazy downside like most 2 in 1s.
XPS and rMBP are certainly more of "pure" laptops.
>>54272504
The Asus Zenbook.
1499 for a 960M, i7 HQ (none of that U faggotry) and 500GB SSD. The closest Mac configuration costs almost 2500 USD. Your autistic need for a particular type of trackpad is no ones problem but your own.
I've been given a top end Mac from work so I've gotten a Mac at the only price I would say it's a good deal at - $0.
>>54288666
That's the 15' version right? I think most people generally want to stick to 13' when it comes to Ultrabooks.
>>54288666
>particular type of trackpad
Godly vs shit isn't exactly a question of "particular" trackpad. Also how's the battery life on the i7 HQ? What about the screen?
>>54288749
Screen is higher res.
Rated battery life is 8 hours. 5 hours less compile time due to HQ means 5 hours more actual work thankfully.
It's meant for AV and is good for a portable workstation, anyone worth a damn will give no flying fucks about the trackpad.
>>54288798
>Rated battery life is 8 hours.
Not saying much, Lenovo and Dell rate laptops who barely pass 6h browsing with 14h. How does it fare in actual tests?
Also you're completely missing the point of this thread, which is about ultrabooks, . Most people don't compile or do anything overly tasking on the run and once you're in the office/home, you can switch to a desktop that shits on any mobile workstation.
>>54288851
I'm addressing OP not the thread. I have not read the thread. OP makes no mention of ultrabooks.
8 Hours is the actual test my bad.
And I ain't about that life where I need to pull my own projects to my desktop and push them later. Not to mention there is still the matter of having to compile at work. Not every office can provide a desktop grade compile machine to ssh to.
>>54289019
The OP specifically mentions the 13inch rMBP, and that's what the threads always try to match.
Now fuck off, shitposter.
