Will I get jewed if I buy a Polaris GPU in nov 2016?
No, you'll be buying the best available to you at the time
>>54258141
I mean wouldn't it get shit on instantly by Vega?
So does Polaris 11 have more features or something than Polaris 10?
>>54258147
Vega is going to shit on everything, but only because it's going to be their high performance GPU. Polaris 10 is mainstream, Polaris 11 is mobile.
>>54258167
Probably just more cores.
>>54258121
>HEVC encode/decode
>HDMI 2.0
Welcome to the present, AMD.
>>54258173
so there won't be a sub $550 Vega at launch?
>>54258176
But it's for mid-range and low end.
>no HBM for polaris
WHAT THE FUCK????
>>54258267
Sub 50W TDP on the 470X?
I wonder what kind of performance that will be.
>>54258176
>>54258167
>Polaris 11
>more cores
Are you both fucking retarded? It's placed below Polaris 10 why would it have more cores or any more features? It's the same fucking architecture.
>>54258321
should be close to current 110W chips. AMD's been boasting a 2-2.5x power reduction across the board for their chips.
>>54258321
If Polaris 10 actually manages to match Fury X performance with just 150W TDP, then expect R7 370 performance from that 50W chip.
It's not funny anymore guys, there are people out there ACTUALLY falling for the AMD meme.
Stop this foolishness.
>>54258437
>tfw I fell for the Nvidia meme
Don't talk to me or my wife's son, ever again!!
>>54258437
inb4 nvidia releases fermi 2.0 and reclaims the housefire crown
>>54258519
well they are adding back DP64 units to their chips...
>>54258519
>>54258564
it is bound to happen again
>>54258236
it's too early to speculate
yes you will. polaris 10 and 11 are not going to be marketed torwards gamers, AMD is giving up the gaming market until 2017 when they're releasing vega to compete with big polaris.
by all accounts so far gp104 will be a ~100mm2 larger die than polaris 10 with performance slightly exceeding a stock 980ti, polaris 10 will likely be around 970 performance and polaris 11 is 1/4th the speed of the 950.
>>54260031
>AMD is giving up the gaming market
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH
shill, bait or genuinely retarded
>>54260055
>anything that doesn't unconditionally support AMD is shilling!
update your shill handbook raja, AMD came out and said today they're focusing on low end market share and not gaming.
http://videocardz.com/59445/amd-polaris-aiming-at-vr-capable-graphics-cards
>AMD’s Polaris May Not Be High-End But Can Cover The Entire Mainstream VR Market – Sweet Spot GPUs To Increase AMD’s Market Share
Polaris 11 and 10 are shit
http://wccftech.com/amd-polaris-mainstream-vr-market/
>>54260116
>VR
>low end
are you retarded?
>>54260271
read the article, they're targeting stock 970 / 290 performance for a card that's going to fill the equivalent price spot of the 270x and 370.
>>54260286
>they're targeting stock 970 / 290 performance
nowhere do they say that
>>54260299
You can't read for shit.
>>54260372
According to themselves they will make VR a mainstream thing.
And their cards won't be 1000$ mosters like titan for enthusiasts, they will be mainstream VR capable cards.
>>54260482
>sub $1000 is low end
fuck off you faggot
>backpedaling this hard
whatever happened to the fury x and all that
Did it dominate the market
>>54260509
>fuck off you faggot
>>backpedaling this hard
Can you even fucking read?
They say that they will make sub 350$ VR capable cards.
>Hence a new generation of VR capable cards that don’t break the $349 US barrier are needed and this is where AMD pits their Polaris 10 at.
They will be PRICED as mainstream cards and sold em masse to everyone. And they will be VR capable.
WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE 14NM FLAGSHIPS?
I'M SOFUCKING DONE WITH MY 750TI AND THE WAIT MEME
>>54260728
same, except I have a 670
>>54260728
>>54260736
so buy pascal??
>Still sitting on a 7950
>Waiting for polaris for HBM2
>HBM2 gets pushed back to 2017 for vega
>AMD being really fucking vague about what segments polaris will even be filling
Just fucking kill me
>>54260831
Just buy Pascal.
>>54260804
>>54260844
>>54260860
Fun fact:
AMD, Intel, Apple, Cisco etc support Israel. Nvidia don't
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multinationals_with_research_and_development_centres_in_Israel
>>54260844
>AMD shooting themselves in the foot yet again with no intent on releasing highend stuff until 2017
>pascal flagship will be dogshit by then because jewvidia
Just end my life already.
>>54261074
No, no it's
>AMD shooting themselves in the foot yet again by releasing a mid-range GPU as their "top-tier" card
>mfw the 490X IS Polaris 10
>mfw the 490X will cost the same as a 1080
>>54261117
Polaris 10 isn't the 490/490x
>>54261117
polaris 10 is the 380
>>54261402
>380
youw0t?
>>54261402
>>54261577
380 successor**
>>54261593
it's called the 480
>>54261402
>>54261593
it's replacing the 370, not the 380. polaris 10 is 'mainstream' tier
>>54261232
>Polaris 10 isn't the 490/490x
It is, actually. Polaris 10 will cover their enthusiast and high-end (read "$200-$300+") segment while Polaris 11 will cover their mobile, and mainstream segment (read "$150-$200"). It will in all likelihood be branded as the R9 490X in its full fledged form.
Vega 10 will come in on top of the 490X, like the Fury to the 390X, except at a much higher price point.
480 will probably be the most back for the buck, anything above that is overpriced placebo or for fags who fell for the 4K meme.
1440p master race
>>54261655
NO
>AMD demonstrated its “Polaris” 10 and 11 next-generation GPUs, with Polaris 11 targeting the notebook market and “Polaris” 10 aimed at the mainstream desktop and high-end gaming notebook segment. “Polaris”
http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/press-release-2016apr21.aspx
>>54261716
>mainstream desktop and high-end gaming notebook
WTF DOES THIS MEAN? like an nvidia 650 / 750?
>>54260031
>1/4 the speed of 950
>card segmented to replace the 7850
I hate these bullshit trolls
>>54261716
>mainstream desktop and high-end gaming notebook segment
The 980 is considered both mainstream and high-end gaming notebook. Polaris 10 is supposed to compete against the successor, the indomitable GTX 1080.
And yet it's not only smaller than the Pascal compact monster, but it's significantly weaker as well.
http://www.game-debate.com/news/?news=19737&graphics=Radeon%20R9%20480X%204GB&title=Reported%20AMD%20Polaris%2010%20GPU%20Specs%20Surface%20In%20Benchmark%20Database
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-polaris-10-gpu-to-offer-near-980-ti-performance-for-299-usd.html
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-3dmark-11-entries-spotted/
>~4000 points for Polaris 10
>over 9000 points for the 1080
tippity top kek
AMDone
>>54261825
why not buy a Fury X then?
>>54261866
>buying an outdated housefire
>his card still uses over one 8-pin connector
kek
>>54260728
Wait for Vega.
i have a question that i know will not have a 100% correct answer but im gonna ask it anyway.
buy a $1000 pc now or
buy a $1500 pc in 3 months?
>>54261890
>$1500 pc in 3 months
this is easy.
>>54258321
>I wonder what kind of performance that will be.
I thought they demoed a modern game running at 1440p on full framerate back on that recent event, using Polaris 11.
>>54261825
polaris 10 will be ~10% less powerful than a 980ti but will also sell cheap. amd will attempt to capture the low end/lower midrange market because they know they'll never beat nvidia in the higher midrange/enthusiast market.
the lead engineer has already said they're focusing on the best price/performance they can offer compared to expensive enthusiast cards which are very poor in terms of price/performance.
>>54261890
>buy a $1500 pc in 3 months?
That should get you a decent 6-core Broadwell-E and at least one GTX 1070 if you buy an alright case, a 500GB SSD, and a good PSU.
Step down to an i7-6700k and you should be able to fit a 1080 or two 1070 for the ultimate next-gen gaming monster of a machine.
Polaris and Zen are overhyped and will under-deliver.
>>54261787
like 960/970/380/390 successor
>>54261964
and when are they to be released? how much longer do I need to wait? I have a GTX670
>>54261920
>the lead engineer has already said they're focusing on the best price/performance they can offer compared to expensive enthusiast cards which are very poor in terms of price/performance.
So AMD is admitting that their high-end cards suck shit from a shitpile and are giving up on that market?
WEW LAD
Why buy AMD at all then? Just save up a bit of extra money and buy a 1070 or 1080.
>>54261977
this summer
>>54261716
>Polaris 11 targeting the notebook market and “Polaris” 10 aimed at the mainstream desktop and high-end gaming notebook segment
Fuck me
>>54261987
i am getting the 1080 m8. i'm not supporting amd in any way i was just saying that they're pulling out of the high end market.
>>54262029
I'm buying two 1070 at launch and playing the waiting game for the 1080 Tis when they launch next year. There's no point in getting the GTX -80 cards anymore when a better version on a larger die always comes afterwards.
>>54262029
>he fell for the 980 meme
kek
>>54261655
>>54261716
mainstream means 480/480x, which will cover the $250-$300 price point.
sauce: previous AMD quarterly report referring to the 280 as mainstream.
Anyone pretending Polaris 10 isn't the 1070 competitor is a complete retard
>>54262082
>980
>meme
But the meme is the self-conflagrating 290X rebranded to sell $100 more
>>54262101
>buy 980
>get cuck'd by 980 Ti
>>54262057
i got this 980 when the 390 released for the same price as the 390 cos some guy was selling his 980 FTW for desperate cash. absolute fucking bargain. i nearly bought the 390 (kek) but thankfully i saw this deal.
>>54262101
still $100 less than a 980. Even Fury is cheaper than a 980
>>54262088
Given the Firestrike Ultra benchmarks, the 1070 will run laps around the Polaris 10.
It can't even compete with a 1070 and they want to sell it as a "mainstream" card? How dumb does AMD think we are?
>tfw in a few years pcie cables wont be a thing
>>54258121
Vega will come out in Q1'17 in all likelihood, and it'll be in a different market segment, so it's not like Polaris 10/11 will see prices affected that much.
My plan of action:
> buy ungimped Polaris 10 (490X? 485X?) in June/July
> if I feel like I need more by next spring, sell it and buy a Vega, or buy a 2nd one depending on how prices and DX12/Vulkan explicit multi-GPU support are going
Navi won't be out until the end of 2018 at best, depending on how aggressive "NextGen Memory" really is.
If it's direct-stacked (i.e., no interposer), performance could be phenomenal, but the engineering challenges will be enormous.
>>54262152
>but the engineering challenges will be enormous.
>packing the hottest components of a graphics card into the smallest possible space
aka "housefire"
AMD is forever a housefire
Not even Nvidia held the title for that long
>>54262124
>Firestrike
>Rumored Firestrike scores of unannaunced cards
nice sauce you have there
>>54258267
>480X at 110-150W TDP
>Performance should be slightly better than current 380X, which is only around 20% worse than 390
Damn, that's some amazing price/performance right there. Probably really low on the heat, too. With AMD doing better on the drivers side too, Nvidiots are going to be short on ammo for this next generation.
>>54262188
>>54261825
They're not rumors, just leaked benchmarks
>>54262148
Nvidia will use it for the maximum housefire performance
>>54258121
>Will I get jewed if I buy a Polaris GPU in nov 2016?
I think it will depend largely on when GDDR5X hits the consumer market in volume.
June launches for GP104/Polaris 10 seem to imply GDDR5 only, or GDDR5X with extremely limited availability to the point of being paper launches.
I would strongly consider waiting for the GDDR5X variants if you're not going for toaster tier or waiting for Vega/Big Pascal.
>>54262189
>Nvidiots are going to be short on ammo for this next generation.
It's AMD that's lacking the serious firepower in their hardware line-up. The 1070 and 1080 will continue being enormous successes because there's no true competition and AMD will have to resort to price-cutting and blame-gaming in order to placate their ever-shrinking consumer base.
>>54262178
The hottest components are the VRMs you retard, which IIRC were actually what caught fire in the Fermis.
The thing about a stacked memory design is that you could put it directly over L3 and memory controllers in the middle and put the hotter logic like the ALU arrays at the periphery, since you no longer actually need the edge regions to be used for the memory interfaces.
WHEN WILL THIS FUCKING JOKE OF A COMPANY JUST DIE ALREADY HOLY SHIT
>>54261900
>>54261922
ty :)
There's a benchmark of Polaris 11 being 5 times slower than a 950, how legit is it?
>>54262243
>I would strongly consider waiting for the GDDR5X variants if you're not going for toaster tier or waiting for Vega/Big Pascal.
thanks famalam, will wait for GDDR5X then, don't think I can afford to buy Vega/Big Pascal
>>54262292
>put it directly over L3 and memory controllers in the middle
GCN and Nvidia architectures only have 2 cache levels, but this point is still actually decent.
>>54262327
who cares about Polaris 11? Polaris 10 is what you need to watch
>>54262327
Probably very, AMDefunct can't into efficiency.
>>54262327
About as legit as a three wheel car on snow, that would make it fucking slower than a 5 year old Cape Verde unless it's like 5 watts or something.
>>54262327
Pretty legit. And since Polaris 10 isn't even 1.5 times the size, that bodes REALLY poorly for AMD. Next gen "mainstream" and can't even beat a GTX 950.
>>54262327
It's true it's 100% true save money for Pascal
>>54262371
>Pretty legit
Reminder that 80% of the posts in this threads are Indians trying to sell you a product
>>54262327
Polaris 11 has already been live demod with power numbers, Polaris 10 only had a 20 second long game presentation without any power numbers.
It's nonsense.
>>54262359
>>54262371
shills
>>54262327
shill bait (or quite plausibly samefagging)
Polaris 10 goes down to toaster tier via binning, and the benchmarks are likely fake anyway.
The 300-350mm^2 Polaris and Pascal chips will have ~2.5k shader ALUs running at 1.3-1.4 GHz, which will put them in 980-980 Ti territory, provided they have enough memory bandwidth (= GDDR5X variants only, thanks to 256b only interfaces).
Ungimped Polaris 10 is going to offer Fury X / 980TI performance at R9 380X or R9 390 prices.
The 1070 won't be able to match its performance and the 1080 might be able to match its performance if Nvidia are lucky but it will cost almost twice as much.
>>54262327
Remember the benchmarks of the GTX380 being 2 times faster than a 5870?
Yeah, that.
>>54262476
>The 300-350mm^2 Polaris and Pascal chips will have ~2.5k shader ALUs running at 1.3-1.4 GHz, which will put them in 980-980 Ti territory, provided they have enough memory bandwidth (= GDDR5X variants only, thanks to 256b only interfaces).
Except NVidia's CUDA cores are more powerful than AMD's shader units, so the Pascal card with the same amount of cores will pull ahead significantly.
Polaris is gonna fail, and so is Zen.
>>54262528
>Except NVidia's CUDA cores are more powerful than AMD's shader units
$0.02 have been deposited in your account.
>>54261787
The last time AMD launched a new laptop part it was a 380x-like thing running on lower clocks IIRC. Before that their fastest laptop parts were all based on the old as shit 7870. Would make sense that this would be around that.
>>54262327
5 times slower than a 950 would put it even slower than smartphone SoCs, and I'm pretty Polaris isn't a 2W part.
Ergo, that benchmark makes no sense.
>>54262528
Are you retarded? How do you know the ALu performance of two unreleased architectures? What is their size?
Do the latest nvidia drivers work with multiple monitors yet? I had to roll back to 359.06 because of this.
>>54262528
>CUDA cores are more powerful than AMD's shader units
kek of the millennium.
they are all literally just fp32 mult+add units, and GCN is actually better at utilizing them than Kepler/Maxwell.
Fermi was a good GPGPU chip too, but also ran hot as fuck since actually having good dynamic control is energy intensive.
Hawaii was actually the strongest, with 1:2 fp64:fp32 capacity, but that capacity got cut for Fiji because muh gaymen.
>>54262650
falseflagging AMDshill spotted.
>>54262663
I'm buying pascal, I just hope the drivers improve by the time it comes out. Having my monitors undetected on locking my computer is terrible.
Speaking of shaders, it's all but confirmed Vega 10 will have 4096, the same number as Fury X, so the shaders are getting significantly faster or they just stuck in more ROPs and fixed cache misses, or all 3.
Anyhow, I guess they won't be going over that number because their scheduler might be strugling to feed more than that.
>>54262203
>m-muh housefire maymay
Fuck off, nvidia GPUs have been more efficient for years now.
>>54262650
i've been using multi monitor just fine with the latest drivers. one screen is hooked up via hdmi and the other is via dvi
>>54258121
No matter if you buy AMD or Nvidia, this year you'll get jewed
>>54262986
why??
>>54262178
Except it hasn't been like this
They're at parity of how long they have held the housefire crown
>>54263099
Because he's too poor to buy either and thinks his Intel HD graphics are good enough forever.
>>54263104
Even then no single chip card beats Fermi yet
>>54263112
>Intel HD graphics
nice assumption, I have no integrated graphics. have a gtx 670
>>54262556
What if AMD is preparing a mobile SoC to compete with Qualcomm?
Insanity would ensue
>>54258167
>>54258390
11 is the lower end cards
>>54258267
It doesn't need it, and there's no point in wasting material on HBM1 when HBM2 is basically ready to go
>>54263099
Because they're both focusing on power consumption instead of raw power, if you really need to upgrade please do but otherwise consider waiting for the 2017 cards
>>54262829
Until you get something like the nano
and they've only had the efficiency advantage for about 1 generation now with maxwell
>>54263112
The only place I use Intel graphics is on my laptop
>>54263112
The Iris Pro 6200 in my i5-5675C will demolish a GTX 750 and an R7 260
You're just mad that you couldn't find one.
>>54262712
Pascal is burning through its area budget by doing Hawaii-style 1:2 fp64:fp32 and using massive register files (6MB -> 14MB) for more interleaved warps/wavefronts/whatevers.
Vega might very well be the same, given that Fiji only reached 4096 ALUs on 600mm^2 28nm by going fp32-only.
That said, there's no real reason either company couldn't throw 6 or 7 thousands ALUs on a 600mm^2 chip by forgoing the HPC/GPGPU market.
>>54262712
>>54263523
GP100 and likely Vega will go heavily towards the GPGPU market, a la Fermi and Hawaii.
> big chips on new processes need lot of binning: GP100 will ship with 3584 (64*28) ALUs
> consumer markets need shorter product lifecycles to maintain sales
> 14/16nm process nodes will realistically last at least 2 or 3 years
> once you hit max die size around 600 mm^2, there's nowhere left to go
Nvidia and AMD have a vested interest in making this the Fermi/Hawaii generation so that they can push out same-sized Maxwell/Fiji fp32-only chips while waiting on 10nm to come out.
Vega/1080Ti could have but likely will not perform twice as well as Polaris 10/GP104, simply so there is headroom for next year.
>>54263662
will vega be worth the wait/price? or just go for polaris10?
>>54263818
nobody has any real clue yet.
GP100 looks like complete shit for consumers, and it's anybody's guess whether Vega will follow the same course.
The sandbagging speculation makes sense, but it's not exactly like AMD has a lot of financial room to be handing away the performance crown for another whole generation without even a fight, so Vega could very well be a ~6144 fp32 shader monster.
>>54262057
>There's no point in getting the GTX -80 cards anymore when a better version on a larger die always comes afterwards.
I think Nvidia already anticipated that many of us will skip the 1080 and wait for the Ti. But if they were really jews, they could announce that the GP100 will be Titan-only and $1000+. No "cheap" Ti cards this time. Or they could just sell the 1080 cheaper than the 980 was at launch but they are too greedy to do that.
>>54264188
>But if they were really jews, they could announce that the GP100 will be Titan-only and $1000+. No "cheap" Ti cards this time.
They literally do this every year, the Ti cards are never scheduled for launch, they always come out of the blue
>>54264188
they will only launch a 1080ti card if amd releases a flagship that attempts to undercut the titan, just like they've done the last 2 times.
