I'm not joking.
looks gay
>>54170861
MORE FLAT COLORS WOOOOOOW
>app
The colors look bad but otherwise its fine. UAC was in need of an update anyways.
Looks good and consistent with the rest of Windows 10. What's the problem exactly, OP?
>>54170861
What if I told you these ``alerts'' are merely time delaying steps introduced to allow information to be processed for collection?
>>54170910
All of W10 is inconsistent. Micro$oft keeps trying to push their "metro" interface, but it all looks childish and nothing like a professional OS such as Windows 7.
>>54171036
Windows 7 aged like milk and looks like shit though. Far from "professional".
>>54170861
>>54170923
source
>>54170861
>>54170900
HOLY FUCKING FUCK
>>54170923
Would explain that lagspike. A slower machine could freeze for minutes when the screen was darkened.
sauce tho
>>54170901
Colors look okay to me. Title bar and top stripe are doing a black/yellow "caution" thing, and the stuff below is normal black on white for readability. Yeah it looks sorta garish, but that's the point -- it stands out. Quite good design choice on this one imo.
>>54171224
Any laptop with 5200rpm of spinning rust will lag opening the windows 10 start menu.
>>54171234
I just hope they'll keep the color differentiation between signed and unsigned code.
>>54170901
the title bar looks good.
I wished Windows allowed programs to override their window frame color, just like Android and iOS
>>54170861
>UAC requires confirmation to run MS-signed software
>>54171067
At least it doesn't call programs "apps" and tells you "we're installing updates".
>>54171292
I never even noticed...
Windows's design is so fucking garbage now.
>Let's jump onto the flat UI train from 2012 and never stop :-DDD
It would look a lot nicer if they didn't try to copy every fucking hipster web designer ever
>>54171224
>A slower machine could freeze for minutes when the screen was darkened.
That's more to do with GPU drivers afaict. I've seen machines with similar specs that take forever to darken the screen or do it instantly. That's why they give a setting to disable the screen darkening.
>>54171292
True. That does look like a problem now that you mention it -- OP's pic looks like a signed one.
>>54171312
Oh no, they call programs "apps". What a disgrace!
>>54171292
Is that what the difference is? For some reason I thought the yellow was for programs running as admin
>>54171332
Copy them? They hired them.
>>54171332
Welcome to Windows 10, where design is arbitrary and the user experience doesn't matter.
>>54171297
Well you kinda need to.
Otherwise you could just write a shady batch script and since cmd.exe and every dangerous tool is signed you could do anything without the users consent.
Tools like mmc and msconfig don't require UAC consent to run but most tools do.
>>54171362
>Welcome to Windows, where design is arbitrary and the user experience doesn't matter.
fixed
>>54171259
My instance of windows 10 runs in a virtual machine on my 4790k and 16GB desktop.
It's on a HDD though. Maybe should move it to an actual drive instead of a HDD image...
>>54171336
Still laughable that they'd release software like that. What purpose does the screen dimming serve, and why the fuck is it so demanding that you need performance settings for it?
>>54171362
Also know that a better version is not coming, ever.
>>54170861
Does anyone actually leave UAC on? lol
>>54171432
Well you still should. Otherwise any sort of malware can simply execute itself without anything to stop it.
UAC is like a shitty version of sudo.
>>54171432
When I deploy it for normies, yes.
I don't need it because UAC virtualized programs have a separate, isolated registry for some reason and it makes it a slighly more annoying to fuck with it.
>>54171345
Blue means it comes from a trusted and verified publisher, orange means no verification and it could have come from anyone (For example if the site was hacked and replaced with a malicious exe)
>>54171332
What design schema would you suggest then?
>Glass: aged like shit and ruins performance
>muh windows 98: probably underaged if you think this actually looks good and isn't just novelty
>Windows XP: fischer price toy
Windows 10's combination of flatness and 7-style blurry overlays is actually quite nice and modern looking.
>>54171432
Enjoy your early 2000's XP-tier security, retard.
>>54171478
Hello pajeet. How has your shillin' day been so far?
>>54170861
The old ones look better
>>54171513
Good.
When you get home from starcucks, tell your wife's son to stop uploading CP to OneDrive.
>>54171415
>What purpose does the screen dimming serve
It draws the user's attention to the UAC prompt. Of course now that the prompt is on a separate window station so all other windows disappear when it's shown, it's pretty pointless.
>why the fuck is it so demanding that you need performance settings for it?
Not entirely sure why they couldn't just chuck up a fullscreen black window with 50% transparency. Transparent windows don't have the same performance issue. Presumably something to do with making it so that malware can't fuck with the prompts or hide their dimming effect.
>>54171432
Yes. It's not as nice as sudo, but it does help security. At least malware can't mess with the system without asking first unless it has an unpatched exploit.
>>54171036
windows 7 wasn't that professional looking with all that stupid glass shit
windows 2000 is still the best looking windows
>>54171415
>What purpose does the screen dimming serve
UAC windows are in a separate desktop
the idea is to prevent clickjacking
>>54171478
Windows 7 Aero wasn't that bad, but Vista had a sleeker design, I think.
The problem with Windows 10 is that absolutely nothing is consistent. You still have all these "classic" UIs available, yet there's also this horrid amalgamation of black-on-white "modern" panels with disgusting greyscale font rendering (it's literally a different renderer compared to what everything else in the OS uses, which knowing the designers is designed to only work well with tablets and looks like shit on standard LCDs). Font sizes and margin widths are all over the place, and generally it's really fucking clear that they aren't sticking to a style guide and everyone at MS is doing their own thing. Barely anything in the "modern" UIs supports a right-click context menu in places where it would be sensible.
I'm only using Windows for games these days. Not sure what it would take everyone else to move off the thing considering everything has been downhill since the abomination that was Windows 8.
>>54171616
>Presumably something to do with making it so that malware can't fuck with the prompts or hide their dimming effect.
This is it, it's an entirely separate screen from your workspace. The dimmed background is just a screenshot it takes automatically so it looks nice and isn't a big jarring black screen. Its done specifically this way so malware can't mess with the window.
>>54171697
I agree that its a hot mess of inconsistency. It was inconsistent before, but Microsoft just did a better job of hiding it.
I blame them setting a deadline for 10 way too early when the OS was obviously still incomplete. It looks like they are gearing to fix the inconsistencies with this update though.
>>54171544
Oh my god that is gorgeous.
>>54171699
I've got 8.1 and it never screenshots it. It's always just a dimmed version of the wallpaper.
>>54171697
>knowing the designers is designed to only work well with tablets and looks like shit on standard LCDs
ClearType was nice. I've heard the reason it was removed explained as that they had to support devices rotating to different orientations. But I'm not buying that -- they could simply disable ClearType for rotated or high DPI displays. Then there's the fact that ClearType works fine with vertical text, as can be tested in Word.
>abomination that was Windows 8
8.1's pretty good actually, though it needs Classic Shell and disable the corner actions. I only really touch anything Metro when I need to do one of the few things that normal Control Panel can't, like turn bluetooth on or off. Or sometimes if Windows Update breaks -- the Metro version usually still works and using it sometimes fixes the normal one.
>>54171748
>I blame them setting a deadline for 10 way too early when the OS was obviously still incomplete.
I think they definitely did that, but it shouldn't take nearly a year to make the start bar and title bars the same theme.
there is literally nothing wrong with it. If you wanted a customization DE, you chose the wrong OS.
I can't stand the fucking retarded security doctrines of this OS. A computer that can't handle an uptime of a week when you want it to is fucking useless.
>disable auto-updates by metering every network
>schedule weekly updates by having an autohotkey script press the fucking update buttons
>I have to do this because there is no fucking way to trigger an update with command line
>>54171934
>A computer that can't handle an uptime of a week when you want it to is fucking useless.
I think they make Windows Server for that.
>>54171955
we must be regressing far then
in windows 7 when you select "let me choose when to install updates" it actually never shuts off the desktop unless you tell it to
>>54171973
With Win 7 the end user bought the OS though so had the right to choose.
>have shitty laptop
>screen goes dark for seconds when UAC shows up because intel GPU
>music playing skips for a few seconds because shitty sound card
>disabled dimming and now 0 problems
>>54171292
Jeez I thought the blue one was for programs that required less privileges
>>54171292
Interesting how Vista's unsigned one is completely different
>>54171934
If you require that level of availability you will simply patch every month or quarter, especially taking into account what the patch fixes. You don't need to install and reboot for a hyper v critical patch if you don't use hyper v, for example.
Endpoints... Who fucking cares?
>>54172168
are you implying this is somehow better than the previous system
>update when the user is actually not using the desktop
vs
>update regardless of what the user is doing
This is batshit insane. Imagine if your phone had this much downtime from fucking updating all the time.
>>54171973
it's really retarded but desu you can disable the windows update service
i know this and i don't even use Windows other than occasionally in VMs, and even less so Windows 10, so it really can't be that hard.
>>54172301
:^)
>>54172301
The point is that the old one was configurable to do either. The new one forces you into their one use model whether it matches yours or not.
>>54172321
Hmm, would it work to disable the service and then enable it weekly using sc? After a week of not checking, it should be starving for an update check and therefore do it right away. Then disable it again after a preset time or after waiting for the service to kick up in CPU use and then settle again.
>>54172361
That look gorgeous. Why do they keep fucking up the Design on the PC version, but can make this look good ?
>>54172617
Its nice to look at but not to use.
>>54170900
same thought
>>54172640
W10M user here, it's actually pretty good to use too.
>>54170861
Why everybody hate UAC? You prefer open xxvideo.avi.exe in admin mode?
thought that was Norton coming back to haunt me for a second
>>54172700
why not open it, it is clearly a good porn movie.
>>54172700
Because we are smart enough to only open "xxxloli.avi.exe"?
>>54172617
That screen is the result of someone chopping up a picture and setting each piece of it as a custom image for each tile. Moving the tiles will scramble the picture, and it'll need to be redone if he changes his tile arrangement.
By default it looks about like the right side of the Win10 start menu.
>>54170861
Complete shit, just like the whole Winblows 10
>>54171036
My favorite is how WP design is about black intefaces and toolbars, but actual Microsoft apps have white backgrounds and hamburguer buttons.
>>54171660
You can set Windows basic as a theme and turn off all the dumb Aero shit on 7.
>>54172831
Or Windows Classic to make it look more like Windows 2000 but with the program compatibility and hardware support of Windows 7.
>>54171934wuauclt /checknowwuauclt /updatenow
>>54170861
I like it
>>54170861
what's wrong with it?
>>54171660
Why does everyone hate Windows Aero?
I found it extremely comfy
>>54172159
Vista has the best of everything
>>54172895
Its nice but extremely bloated and a resource hog. Even on today's computers it takes up significant amounts of RAM and gpu power to run compared to 8.1/10
>>54172700
How many billions of dollars in man-hours has been wasted because Microsoft - since Windows 3.1 until the present - has, by default, hidden file extensions from the user?
And all because the Mac of its day had a resource fork and a data fork and didn't use file extensions at all, and Microsoft wanted to be "competitive...."
We're still paying for that mistake, 25 years later.
>>54172770
>that gloss
>those gradients
Looks like one of those Deviantart themes lmao
>>54172617
You can make it look like that on PC.
>>54172922
Everything is done by the DWM.exe process. Compare the one from 7 to the one from 8, you'll find out that 8's is more of a resorce hog.
>>54172954
flattard
>>54172954
Deviantart themes like the ones that have been put the most effort into and are the best quality. I know glass is a bit overdone to be 100% good for eternal daily use but if you actually prefer themes that are so simplistic they could be created by anyone in Paint then you're just plain stupid.
>>54172925
>sudo chmod u+x
>>54172640
I like using it.
>>54172756
No.
In W10M you can set tiles to be transparent with a background that fills them, or transparent with a background behind them.
Alternatively you can set a solid color on black.
>>54173007
>Everything is done by the DWM.exe process. Compare the one from 7 to the one from 8, you'll find out that 8's is more of a resorce hog.
How much more?
>>54172925
>the Mac of its day had a resource fork and a data fork
that is even more retarded.
>>54172925
>How many billions of dollars in man-hours has been wasted because Microsoft - since Windows 3.1 until the present - has, by default, hidden file extensions from the user?
3.1 did no such thing. If you mean the icons in Program Manager not saying .lnk at the end or whatever, they're not even files, they're entries inside proprietary format .grp files.
>>54172301
What are you talking about? Are you reading the dumb threads about 'LOL MY MACHINE TURNED OFF BY ITSELF AND I LOST MY 100 WORD ESSAY ABOUT COMPUTERS THAT IS DUE IN 5 YEARS!!!!' or something?
If you are surprised by reboots it is literally your own fault. My own win10 install has never abruptly rebooted on me. Ever.
>>54173007
DWM in 8.1 uses significantly less than DWM in 7 because it doesn't have to render bitmaps of everything under the transparent glass effect.
>>54173038
>>54173111
At 1440p DWM in Win 7 takes about 110MB (currently, after one day of uptime) of VRAM, Win8 goes beyond 200, up to 270MB, what I've seen the most. In Win8+ DWM is resposible for Metro/ModernUI as well, as those applications can not run without it, at all.
>>54173144
In terms of CPU (and GPU-CPU) usage they're about the same though, 0 to 1%
>>54172571
>Hmm, would it work to disable the service and then enable it weekly using sc? After a week of not checking, it should be starving for an update check and therefore do it right away. Then disable it again after a preset time or after waiting for the service to kick up in CPU use and then settle again.
I'm not that experienced when it comes to things like that in Windows, but at least you can just enable it for a short amount of time to update the system. What you want sounds like it should be easy enough with some scripting (Powershell? Cygwin?)
>>54173144
sittin at 32MB here on W10
Also an Aero screenshot ^^ Because why not
>>54173168
Resolution matters a lot. To me 10 LTSB x64 also uses around 200-230MB
>>54170923
What if I told you you're a fucking retard?
>>54173168
15.3MB here. Not that it matters.
>>54173144
Where do I go to see VRAM? On my 8.1 craptop right now DWM.exe is using 9.3 MB of regular RAM. This is a little almost-netbook with 4 GB RAM and 1366x768.
>>54171297
If it requires elevated privileges, yes, it needs permission. That's what happens when you have UAC set to its highest setting. It doesn't even matter if you're running as admin and the application is signed - if it needs more than the basic permissions given to it, it'll prompt the UAC.
I don't see how that's a problem.
>>54171415
>What purpose does the screen dimming serve
It literally runs in a completely isolated container. It's known as the SecureDesktop, and without it, any program can simply click the button in place of the user and auto elevate itself.
If I remember correctly, literally nothing is allowed to tie in or run inside of the SecureDesktop. It's completely isolated from the rest of the system, regardless of the software installed.
>>54173168
>>54173208
It sounds like you're telling the RAM usage, not VRAM, which is what I was talking about. Use ProcessExplorre and go to GPU graph. RAM in 7 is using about 11MB
>>54173227
Process explorer.
>>54173268
there are easy ways to bypass uac especially if you are a local admin. unless you have it set to the highest mode though.
its still good to have, because all of the ransomware i have seen will still invoke a uac popup.
the best course of action is to do stuff in a non local admin account
>>54173308
>Process explorer.
Do I want GPU Dedicated Bytes, GPU Committed Bytes, or GPU System Bytes?
>>54173313
>its still good to have, because all of the ransomware i have seen will still invoke a uac popup.
wtf why does it need elevated anything to encrypt the files in your account and set the wallpaper to a ransom note?
>>54173335
Dedicated GPU memory
is what is currently using
Committed GPU memory
is what under any circumstance won't free it
>>54173364
bullshit
>>54173384
dedicated = commited + temporary working set
>>54173364
8.1 craptop fag again. GPU dedicated is 37M and committed is 26M.
>>54173335
0 across the board
>>54173434
Then re-run Process Explorer as admin so it can see the DWM process's resource usage.
>>54173431
What resolution? This >>54173428 is at 1440p
>>54173445
45MB at 4K
>>54173452
Mine's 1366x768 due to being a small craptop.
>>54173308
66.5MB. Still pretty much nothing.
>>54173478
Well, 48, >>54173428 therefore Aero blur does not hog resources at all.
>>54171474
UAC didn't stop the Windows 10 malware infecting people's computers
>>54172895
It's a desperate attempt to smear Win7 by Win10 shills, it's been happening a lot recently
>>54171616
> Presumably something to do with making it so that malware can't fuck with the prompts or hide their dimming effect.
You're right. It's impossible to use emulated input on those screens, for example: I can't use DS4 touchpad to click on it, only mouse or keyboard.
>>54173615
>Mfw i used to run JoyToKey as admin just so i could hit UAC prompts
Why would anyone unironically use Windows?
High Contrast White is actually pretty legit senpaitachi.
>>54173934
>Why would anyone unironically use Linux?
FTFY
>>54173347
it needs to in order to disable and modify the shadow copies, otherwise it would be very easy to simply restore from automatic backups
>>54171120
That fucking pic is spot on
>>54173023
Laughed
>>54173986
Where did I say Linux?
>>54173176
Vodka balalaika
I never see this because I've been using Administrator-account since Win 2k.
>>54174274
Even if you're the administrator you still see UAC
Linux and OS X are the only mainstream OSes that still have compact UI options
>>54173934
Games. Software compatibility. Never having to compile to install a package even if it isn't in the large array of packages in apt. Binary compatibility back to most Windows programs written 20 years ago. Near perfect hardware compatibility with current computers since they're designed for it.
>>54173986
Stability. Customizability. Large selection of packages and all you need to do to install them is run a single package manager command. Amazing hardware compatibility with weird systems. Compatibility with almost ever filesystem and partitioning scheme you can name and some you can't. Source compatibility with a lot of old UNIX things. Binary compatibility with a good deal of Windows programs through Wine.
>>54173961
Ugly imo on a color screen, but that sort of theme would kill on an e-ink display or reflective LCD.
>>54174517
What level of compact are you thinking of?
>>54174274
if you can install software without manual privilege elevation you are insecure, period.
an insecure program such as a web browser could plant software with ease.
>linux users who have ~/bin at the front of their search path
>their faces when a firefox exploit throws fake sudo in there
>>54170861
What's the point of this
What is preventing people from simply entering the name of some other trustworthy publisher, like Microsoft Corporation, when in reality it's made by some russian faggot
>>54174621
Because Windows has executable signing.
>>54170900
>>54174621
It just says unknown publisher unless you actually sign the exe with a valid certificate.
>>54171036
>icro$oft keeps trying to push their "metro" interface, but it all looks childish
Surprise surprise motherfucker, metro for desktop was developed so ms managers could draw their ideas in fucking powerpoint using colourful square blocks
it's just that every company shilled flatshit to the point where everyone thinks its hip and trendy
>>54174649
>>54174853
>>54174621
Correct. You could put "Microsoft Corporation" but unless you sign it with a valid cert saying your name is "Microsoft Corporation", it might show the name in properties, but it'll be unknown and caution-yellow theme in the UAC prompt.
>>54171312
app - button you press on phone that makes a fart noise
program - AutoCAD
>>54171292
Oh what. Never even noticed. Is that why sometimes I can use my keyboard to select yes and other times there's no keyboard focus on the prompt at all?
>>54175033
meant for>>54171339
>>54175033
And application? Package? Solution?
>>54175048
Alt+Y works for me in both cases, as does left arrow and then enter. Windows 8.1.
>>54171312
Windows has been calling executables apps in explorer since windows me
>>54175135
Really? Where?
>>54175094
Hmmm. Just tried them both. Windows 7
>Signed Affiliate (HWMonitor) - Success
>Signed Microsoft (Regedit) - Success
>Unsigned (HDDScan) - Success
Can't replicate it for some reason.
>>54175207
"App" is short for "application", your image is arguing my point
>>54175249
But this discussion comes from the guy griping about "app" replacing "program", "application" etc.
>>54170861
it´s a prompt alright
>>54175056
application - Something that does one thing
package - program you install from a package manager
solution - the final
I can't wait to subscribe to the most cutting edge apps on the MicroSoft® Store!
It look like the old one made for windows 10
>>54172954
>says the man using literal deviantart themes on ganoo linsuks
>>54171067
windows 7 looks cohesive
windows 'metro ui' is just microsoft being lazy
>>54173144
u wot m8
2x 1920x1080 and 2x 1680x1050
>>54172361
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>54172855
joke's on us faggot that command doesn't work in windows 10 anymore
>>54171036
>professional OS
>Windows 7
Choose one.
>>54177930
>arguing about professional OS
do you even know where you are
we're consumerist cucks
>>54170861
What did you expect when they made a poo in loo CEO?
>>54172617
They fired sinofsky for being an autistic tablet obsessed cunt
>>54171120
What are you supposed to say anyway?
If it's web, I usually use application, binary or executable for machine code, and executable or script if it's interpreted.
>>54178880
holy shit is that real?
>>54179079
what do you think?
>this app
>not "this program"
FUCKING TRIGGERED
>>54180238
>>54170861
>UAC
Who gives a shit.
