>Macbooks are overpriced
>Ok, show me a similarly priced laptop with the same specs or better. Reminder that $1300 rMBPs are light, have a 2560x1600 retina display, 8GB RAM, outstanding battery life, NVMe SSDs and the best build quality and support in the business
>...
Can we finally put an end to this meme?
>Laptops
when will this meme end?
>>54150942
but muh games
>Apple
>Build quality
stopped right there
>>54150983
Well you stopped pretty late in
>>54150983
>>54150990
Ya that's pretty much the end of the statement. So you stopped at the end of what was written?
>>54150962
You must be at least 18 years old to post on this site
>>54150942
>Hey everybody, I posted it again!
>>>/v/
>>>/b/
>>>/reddit/
If only the 15 was cheaper, fuck I want to get the upcoming refresh for thunderbolt 3 GPUs but the 13's dual core might bottleneck it
>>54150962
Desktops are only for gaymurs these days
>>54150942
> Retina Display
sorry man you lost right there
>>54150962
I don't know how anyone can live his life without a laptop to use in the couch or in bed for maximum comfyness
Also. How the fuck do you get any work done outside your house? Tablets? Phone? lmao
>>54151091
Computers in the office maybe, dickwad?
>>54151062
>he never experienced a retina device
I'm sorry man
>>54151105
So you don't go anywhere besides your office? That is very limiting
This thread gets posted three times a day, but never have I encountered someone actually providing a link to a comparable laptop that is significantly cheaper.
You can get an X220 with similar specs for 300$. I guess if you think the higher res screen is worth 1000$ because you don't want an external monitor when your doing super serious stuff.
>>54151154
Why would I want to work anywhere but my office (or place of work)? Separating work and non-work areas is very important
>>54151163
Link to that $300 device?
>>54151157
Because it isn't.
Apple gets called overpriced just because they don't make cheap devices. Almost every other manufacturer makes cheap low quality devices and expensive premium devices. Apple only makes the expensive ones.
Considering how well apple devices hold their value, you would have to go full retard to call them overpriced.
>>54151173
Well then its clear you don't even have a job.
If you do you're retarded.
And still the only reason to not have an laptop is if you're a gamer kid. Any decent laptop can run everything a non gamer needs and it's not attached to a table.
>>54151191
Here's an example. There's a whole bunch on Ebay, or you could buy one with lower ram, HDD, etc, and upgrade it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-X220-i5-8GB-128SSD-/121957043370?hash=item1c6534ccaa:g:Uy4AAOSwFNZWyoju
>>54151283
>used devices
Really dude?
>>54150942
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/lenovo/y-series/y50-uhd/
>>54151217
Shill or autistic. There's no other motivation to posting a thread every day to prove a point thar benefits you in no way.
Macbooks are 3 years old at this point and still cost the same as when they were new. Why would anyone overpay for old tech?
>2560x1600
>on anything smaller than 24"
top kek
But I can get a thinkpad that does everything I need for less than 200, and it will outlive my grandchildren's grandchildren.
>>54151306
is there something wrong with that?
>>54151268
>hold their value
It's because they stuff them with proprietary crap.
My gf had to buy a replacement charger for her 8 yr old laptop and it costs 100$. No competition means high prices
>>54151356
There is when you're comparing prices
>>54151306
Good goy. pay an extra 1000 dollars so your laptop doesn't maybe have a small scratch on the back.
>>54151373
Why?
>>54151091
>work done
/g/ consists of gaymur children, no work done ever
>>54151384
>>54151390
My friend gave me a 2015 rMBP for $100. Holy shit rMBPs are so cheap hurrrrr
>>54151412
On ebay they cheapest you can get them is like 700 dollars used. We are talking about the best value laptop. We aren't talking about the best laptop that is brand new.
>I browse iTunes at Starbucks im such a professional lol u little gamer kiddie
This is what Mac Shitters actually believe
>>54151163
> I guess if you think the higher res screen is worth 1000$
Why wouldn't it be? It's way better than the low res 16:9 cancer on X220. Besides there is OSX, much lower weight and way better design.
Also you're compared an used device with a brand new one. Pretty silly. In that case you can get an used Macbook which should be just 800. $500 more for a vastly better device sounds fair.
>Macbooks are overpriced
>Ok, show me a similarly priced laptop with the same specs or better. Reminder that $1300 rMBPs are light, have a 2560x1600 retina display, 8GB RAM, outstanding battery life, NVMe SSDs and the best build quality and support in the business
>...
>Can we finally put an end to this meme?
Can we finally put an end to this meme meme?
Seriously as of late I have been seeing this thread several times
Dell XPS 13/15 depending on your budget is better than the macbook.
>>54151444
>We are talking about the best value laptop
Why do you assume everybody is as poor as you? The Macbook is aimed at people who want the best portable laptop, not saving couple bucks to get a fat brick with a shit screen.
>>54151596
>3 year old macbook is best ultrabook
Oh, please.
>>54151573
>Seriously as of late I have been seeing this thread several times
And I still haven't seen a single cheaper alternative to the 12" or 13" Macbooks that doesn't cheap out somewhere.
>>54151574
It's more powerful than Retina Macbook but much heavier, got shit trackpad and 16:9 screen.
It's less powerful than rMBP but leighter, got shit trackpad and 16:9 screen.
Also it's not really cheaper with similar configuration.
>>54151622
>3 year old macbook
Le what?
If I don't buy Apple how else am I going to get a Unix desktop?
what does retina display do?
>show me a similarly priced laptop with the same specs or better.
Dell Precision 5510/ XPS 13
HP zbook Studio
Lenovo Thinkpad T460s/ X1
>the best build quality and support in the business
Topkek. Nice try. Most Business Notebooks have better build quality and also a lot better and longer service.
/thread
>>54151682
It displays 2560x1600 motherfucking pixels into your motherfucking eyes, so all the shit on your motherfucking screen is sharp as fuck. (and offers more room on your desktop)
Also because Apple is actually a respectable company, all the third party apps support it too, so you won't get cucked like on a Windows laptop with scaling issues.
>>54151682
Nothing, it is an Apple invented Marketing buzzword.
Also their Displays are from Samsung, LG and Japan Display.
>>54151783
Half of them are 15", all of them got shit trackpads. Try again, friend.
>>54151062
>Falling for cheap Marketing buzzwords
I am sorry man
>>54151814
>Because there are not any macbook with 15"
>because the Dell precision 5510 is not extremely small for a 15" Device thanks to it's small bezels.
Nice damage control Apple cuck
>>54151596
Sorry im too poor to eat shit out of my hands. I'll just be enjoying a superior product for a fraction of the price.
>>54151596
>wasting money means you're poor
>>54151890
>Because there are not any macbook with 15"
Hardly the point when the thread is about the 13" one.
>Dell precision 5510
Height: .44” (11.1mm) (seems like bullshit and other sources say .66, why is Dell lying on their own website?)
Width: 14.05” (357mm)
Depth: 9.26” (235.3mm)
Weight: 3.93lbs (1.78kg)
vs
Height: 0.71 inch (1.8 cm)
Width: 12.35 inches (31.4 cm)
Depth: 8.62 inches (21.9 cm)
Weight: 3.48 pounds (1.58 kg)
vs
Height: 0.71 inch (1.8 cm)
Width: 14.13 inches (35.89 cm)
Depth: 9.73 inches (24.71 cm)
Weight: 4.49 pounds (2.04 kg)
It's closer to 15" rMBP at everything but weight.
>>54152025
>vastly inferior screen
>superior product
Fascinating logic, anon.
>>54152051
>buying a better product for more is wasting money
>>54151108
Retina displays look no different than any other high quality displays, and they're not touchscreens
>>54151786
So it's only resolution?
This link says
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/28/five_high_dpi_laptops_roundup/?page=3
There are many laptops with similar displays
>>54152115
>There are many laptops with similar displays
Sure. But the OS support is worse for them and depends whether your software is optimized or not. With OSX it always is.
Besides, it's about the entire package. Hi res screen, 8+ hours battery life, NVMe SSD, godly trackpad and the likes.
>>54152058
>superior product
>Shitty keyboard
>No touchpoint
>No Docking station
>2 usb ports
>Crappy OS out of the box
>Retarded exhaust grill placement
>No dedicated volume keys, escape key, forward back browser keys etc.
And on top of all that you look fruitier than the logo on the back of your computer.
>>54152186
>it doesn't have what my chinkpad has so it's bad
Want to have another try with objective criteria this time?
>>54152224
>Laptop 1 has features that laptop 2 doesn't have
This isn't an argument?
>>54152186
>Touchpoint
meme
>>54152301
If you've ever used one for an extended period of time you would know that it's far superior in terms of accuracy and speed and you don't have to move your hands from the keyboard
>>54152323
As accurate as a rubber-band.
>>54152335
So you haven't used one. Got it.
>>54152285
>features
Just because you use them, doesn't mean other people do it.
Macbook has vastly better speakers, might be a killer argument for some, might be irrelevant for people who prefer headphones. Same with muh usb ports. Also how's the transfer speed on the USB C port on the X220? Oh right.
>>54152357
You can get 3 x usb 3's using the Expresscard slot
>>54152400
>comparing usb 3 to usb c
>>54150942
Surface Book?
>>54150942
> Appul
> good hardware
Boy, are you seriously this retarded?
>>54152422
What the fuck can you even plug into a usb C port?
>>54152342
typing to you on one now. If you've never experienced the "rubber band bounceback" issue then I'm guessing you've never used one.
>>54152422
>I regularly need to move hundreds of geebees over USB
>>54152452
Using one right now and it's perfect. Try getting a refund or a new trackpoint. Yours seems broken.
>>54150942
Precision 5000 series
Xps 13/15
Thinkpad T450s, T460/p, X1 Carbon (newest)
Chromebook Pixel 2
all laptops that don't throttle, have good screens, are lightweight with better build quality than Macbooks, and all cost less than similarly specced macbook
>>54150962
Some of us have to actually leave the house to go to work and school
>>54152491
I bought a whole new laptop upgraded model, same problem. It's broken by design.
>>54152424
>"Macbooks are overpriced guys, spend more to get a Windows laptop with shit trackpad that doesn't even close."
>>54152442
Given the current hardware, mostly adapters and power supply, but it can be used to drive external hard drives without extra power source, screens and the usual peripheral. Also it's faster than usb 3.
>>54152468
Isn't that how the MUH ONE PORT people argue? I am simply saying that USB C is on another level compared to USB 3.0.
>>54152497
>Thinkpad T450s, T460/p
>have good screens
>are lightweight
>Precision 5000 series
>are lightweight
>>54152517
>Worksonmymachine.jpg
>>54152542
precision 5000 are literally XPS machines with different configurable specs you retard
>>54152551
So if the trackpoints are so good, how comes most manufacturers dropped them? It can't be cost related like 16:10 screens for sure.
>>54152593
They are only available in 15", while the MBP is 13" and weight 200 gram more, not counting the bigger powerbrick.
>>54152609
it is the xps 15.... it competes with the macbook pro 15
holy shit you idiot
>>54152551
Your inexperience is showing. This was a well know problem throughout the life of the trackpoint.
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Tablet-and/Trackpoint-moves-on-it-s-own-Lenovo-X220T/td-p/1004919
>>54152609
>how comes most manufacturers dropped them?
because most people are retards and dont like them simply because theyre retarded
>>54152113
So what? Does that mean its bad?
People get triggerred just because Apple calls their displays retina. Why do you give a shit? Can you blame them for being good at merketing?
>>54152617
The thread isn't about it. All you had to do was to get a Retina display, maybe you wouldn't have such reading comprehension problems then.
>>54152630
>everybody else is stupid but I am enlightened, not because I use what objectively proved to be a better solution but a nipple as my pointing device
>>54150942
>The 13.3" Lafité II
>128GB PCIe SSD
>i7 6500U
>1080p screen
>8GB RAM
>as light as an MBA
>£600
>>54151316
>Weight: 5.29 pounds
>Battery: up to 5 hours
Yeah, you didn't even read OP's post. This thing is a behemoth.
Battery life and weight (aka portability) are pretty much the most important things in modern mobile devices.
>inb4 I want computing power
Sounds like you want a big laptop that you can leave plugged in on your desk 24/7, using it like a desktop. Just get a desktop computer if you want desktop performance, ya goof.
>>54152708
>1080p screen
Next.
>>54152692
if you really have a boner over large screen resolutions then ok
Chromebook Pixel 2
XPS 13 with UHD screen
X1 Carbon 1440p
>>54152722
>actually believing that 2560x1440 on a laptop means shit. It doesn't. Fuck off.
>>54151339
enjoy ruining your eyes
>>54152787
>>54152722
you do know that a 1080p laptop has more screen real estate than a retina macbook, right? they have 2880x1800 aka 1440x900 squared. you get sharp text but less room to actually do work
>>54152760
For one, neither is massively cheaper and all 3 have worse performance than rMPB.
>Chromebook Pixel 2
>le 64GB
Besides, I haven't seen the battery life with Loonix yet. Comparing Chrome OS with OSX is crazy.
>XPS 13 with UHD screen
More expensive for Amerifats, shit trackpad, inferior battery life.
>X1 Carbon 1440p
Mediocre screen (pretty pale colors and dark) and worse battery life.
>>54152766
>actually being blind
>>54152817
You do know that you don't have to stick to Retina and can use any resolution you want on it?
>>54152871
>and can use any resolution you want on it?
>using any resolution EVER other than native
i dont carehow good their scaling algorithm is. anything other than native pixel resizing is disgusting
>all 3 have worse performance than rMPB.
thats a joke especially considering the throttling
>>54152871
Lol.
>Muh retina makes me win all the arguments.
>Oh retina gives less screen real estate
>You can turn it off though.
You just embarrassed yourself.
>>54152916
>i dont carehow good their scaling algorithm is. anything other than native pixel resizing is disgusting
Literal autism
>>54152817
>you get sharp text
yes but that's the point
it's enough room for me
besides, it doesn't ONLY offer the squared resolution. You can go up as high as 1680x1050 afaik
>>54151640
Its more powerful what the fuck are you smoking.
>>54152942
its not autism. we're talking about objectively superior user experiences with computers
using display scaling on any screen is objectively inferior. you pretending to not care about it doesnt make it not count
>>54152956
see above; not native display scaling
call me when the macbook has 3360x2100 screens
How well do they run Ubuntu?
>>54152975
macbook pro 13 (2015) uses 28w intel processors; xps 13 uses 15w processors. the macbook has more processing power
>>54152991
not well at all. linux and bootcamp windows are a fucking joke
Razer Blade Stealth.
>>54151640
The macbook doesn't have a 4k Screen, touchpad is amazing if you know how to use it. And the XPS 15 has a 960m and a 6700HQ, its as powerful as you can get in that form factor.
>>54153008
>Using wattage to compare processing power.
This guy is obviously either completely autistic or trolling.
>>54153008
>not well at all. linux and bootcamp windows are a fucking joke
Bootcamp Windows runs perfect. You probably just forgot to install the drivers that Apple provides.
>>54153008
If you are getting a 13 inch laptop you aren't in it for the CPU power anyways, and the XPS 15 has the 6700HQ and a 960m, way more powerful than the macbook.
>>54153034
It's a processor with almost twice the wattage by the same fucking manufacturer. You can be pretty sure that it performs way better.
>>54153058
I know but im playing this guys autistic game of pretending that any laptop larger than 13" doesnt exist
>>54152916
>anything other than native pixel resizing is disgusting
If you use low resolution screens. Have you ever seen one of the screens?
Besides, you can just use native 2560x1600 if you want it so bad.
>thats a joke especially considering
15W vs 28W, it's not something a slightly newer architecture can offset. Obviously the difference will get even bigger when Apple finally jumps on the Skylel train
>the throttling
>the meming
>>54152925
Do something about your reading comprehension already, mate.
>>54153010
Funny enough this is actually the one that comes closest. The trackpad and shit battery life though.
>>54153022
4K screen on an OS that has problem to support it for 3rd party programs isn't as good as it should be. Besides 4K only partially balanced out 16:9.
> touchpad is amazing if you know how to use it.
Ye... no. They aren't on the level of Apple or Google trackpads and won't be any time soon.
>XPS 15
>15
>>54150942
Explain to me why my laptop from 3 years ago has comparable hardware to current macbooks and yet cost half the price?
Face it, they're overpriced meme computers. You can find a cheaper laptop with better specs. If you're going desktop, it's even easier, and almost sad.
>>54153034
>>54153104
Tell us more about your magical laptop with comparable hardware!
>Reminder that $1300 rMBPs are light, have a 2560x1600 retina display, 8GB RAM, outstanding battery life, NVMe SSDs
>>54152991
Runs Windows.
>>54153008
>more processing power
>based on wattage
woah
>lightness, thinness
These don't matter. There is no noticeable difference if you are an average adult male who can easily lift 50lbs using your arms alone. All laptops save some 20th century shit and desktop replacements are like feathers.
>retina display
An overrated gimmick largely praised by effeminate men and literal autists. You get it, and you pay a premium for RAM because it's soldered. Unless you're a fucking graphic designer you don't benefit from it. Stop sitting so close to your screen and the text will still look nice.
>outstanding battery life
Older models are on par with thinkpads. Newer models are SHIGGITY RIGGETY REKT by thinkpads, if you're not a huge dick sucking faggot and can deal with a protruding battery.
>NVMe SSDs
Oh wow, one good thing.
>best build quality
Lol no. They're not built for durability, they're built for look and feel. I wouldn't trust a macbook to survive more than a short drop onto a carpeted floor. "But thinkpads creak" "but cracked palmrests"
Well
"but no spill shield"
"but cracked screens"
"but bent chassis and snapped/shorted logic board"
>Support
It's really worthless because, unless you're a tech illiterate who can't navigate system settings, they won't do anything except say "that's expected behaviour", "try reinstalling" or "file a bug report and go about your day". When I think "support", I expect something on the level of RHEL, not a how to computer class for morons.
-sent from a macbook pro
>>54153176
>same manufacturer, almost the same architecture
NO, GIVING IT ALMOST TWICE THE WATTAGE WON'T ALLOW IT TO RUN FASTER
Not a computer fag. I am using an 8 year old macbook for school shit. The thing is fucking bullet proof, never crashes, overheats, no bugs no bullshit. I have a small mountain of dead windows based shit, used over the same time frame. I want to hate mac shit because of the planned obsolesces but the build quality seems way better than anything else.
>>54153192
Here is your (You)
>>54153192
>Stop liking what I don't: The post.
>>54150942
I have a MemePad X220 I picked up for $300 and only the display, battery life, and hdd interface are worse.
>>54153215
the OS throttles when it might overheat
>yfw kernel_task takes over
>>54153192
>retina macbook
Lol doesnt even matter...
>iphone
Wow apple still stuck in 2008 with 720p!!!
>>54153101
>using windows
Even if you are going to use windows, there are plenty of apps that help with both the trackpad handling, and the high resolution screen. 3k isn't capable of playing a 1080p or a 720p video without it looking like shit, and there is almost no content that uses the resolution the macbook has. On the other hand, 4k supports both 720p and 1080p content that won't look like utter shit, and is just plain better in terms of resolution.
>>54153220
>i don't like thing loloololol everyone gets a medal
>>>/tumblr/
>>54153224
Don't forget performance, ports and OS.
>he actually uses his laptop for computation instead of SSHing into his main machine, or, in extreme circumstances, remote desktop
spotted the pleb
>>54153250
Thanks for supporting a future of just thin clients and no actual home computers.
>>54153169
That wasn't my question
>>54153230
I dont know what that means. Is that bad?
>>54150942
>being cucked by apple's ecosystem
>OSX
>overheating
>shitty touchpad
>shitty keyboard
>shitty battery time
>R E T I N A
>R E T I N A
>R E T I N A
biggest fucking buzzword of all fucking time... apple fags are really that fucking retarded
$1300 = 1150€
here you go, faggot, took me 1 minute tbqh:
>inb4 dat url length
https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/notebook+kaufberater/advisor/10/?availability=&box_18695_17291_min=1029&box_18695_17291_max=1246&box_18695_17291_slid=1&box_18694_17291_min=&box_18694_17291_max=&box_18694_17291_slid=&box_18700_17291%5B%5D=12250&box_18700_17291%5B%5D=12333&box_18700_17291%5B%5D=21967&box_18697_17291_min=&box_18697_17291_max=&box_18697_17291_slid=&box_18704_17291_min=&box_18704_17291_max=&box_18704_17291_slid=&box_18701_17291%5B%5D=6894&box_18707_17291_min=&box_18707_17291_max=&box_18707_17291_slid=&box_18708_17291_min=&box_18708_17291_max=&box_18708_17291_slid=&box_18709_17291=&box_18710_17291_min=&box_18710_17291_max=&page=1&perPage=0&sort=price&order=asc&advisor=10
>>54153241
>using windows
Linux doesn't even have basic shit like Adobe Suite and Office. (No, Libre Office and Gimp aren't viable alternatives for most people)
>there are plenty of apps that help with both the trackpad handling
Like what?
>the high resolution screen
Is more dependent on the program itself and not extra apps.
>and there is almost no content that uses the resolution the macbook has
...
Nobody buys it primary to watch movies.
>>54153301
>OSX
Not sure how this is a negative.
>shitty touchpad
>shitty battery
>shitty keyboard
So you're just retarded?
>>54153215
Funny, I've got a Macbook Pro in my dead computer pile because it overheated, is dented, has a cracked screen, and also, the hard disk controller is completely dead. Lasted me only 2 years.
I don't trust Apple with hardware quality.
>>54153250
Try running a big IDE on a shitty laptop.
>>54153249
It can run OS X but I've got a linux distro on it so it's better anyway. :^)
The performance difference is negligable, I compared compile times with my sister's rMBP and it was about the same. (Both using clang.)
The ports are better though, that's true.
>>54153330
>IDE
You deserve to have your macbook die.
>>54153301
>inb4 dat url length
All of them have much worse performance, trackpads and most even have worse battery life.
They rather compete with Retina Macbook, which is much lighter, and again, got a much better trackpad.
>>54153303
>what is wine
http://lifehacker.com/5493849/get-mac-like-scrolling-and-gestures-on-a-windows-laptop
That still doesn't refute the better looking and higher resolution display.
>>54153330
>running big IDEs instead of SSHing into CLI-IDEs on your main system with all your work already on it
spotted the pleb again
Literally my Alienware laptop OP
>>54151091
>What are Smart TV's, Chromecasts and Raspberry Pi's?
>What are gaming consoles and Steam in-house streaming?
>What are smart phones and tablets?
Besides nothing beats working at a desk with a multi-monitor setup if you want to get some work done fast. This goes for both home and work locations.
>>54151062
>>54151786
>>54151803
>>54152113
>>54152692
>>54152641
>>54152925
>>54152916
>>54152871
>>54152817
>>54153192
>>54153232
>>54153301
Do you want to know how the Retina display got so popular? Sure, it's nice, that's one thing, but the old MBP displays (despite being TN) weren't that bad either.
But with their new OS X iterations Yosemite and El Capitan (surprisingly introduced just as more and more Retina devices came along), Apple literally cucked non-retina device users.
Lucida Grande was a nice font, but both Helvetica and San Francisco are terrible to read on a non-retina display, because their small arches will blur out, their thin gaps make letters melt and cause horrible aliasing.
They are made for their "print-like" Retina screens, so that users of "legacy" devices will have a feeling that their device is "getting old", despite having an Ivy Bridge i7 and maybe even an SSD.
>>54153352
>All of them have much worse performance
>Lying without turning red
>>54153439
>notice the loss in contrast.
You're right, lets make it black and white and make you want to gouge your eyes out. If you honestly think the font choice was to purposefully deprecate the old devices you're more retarded than can be helped.
>tfw people choose apple over linux and windows
>>54150942
>tfw just recently bought a maxed out 13" macbook pro
Why the fuck is this machine so bad at gaymen
>>54153340
>The performance difference is negligible
Depends on use a lot, anything that really tasks it, will get a huge benefit from the better CPU ... besides, come on HDD, get a SSD already, anon.
>>54153361
>what is wine
A suboptimal solution that doesn't even support newest Office, pretty sure the support for 2013 is random-tier too. Though it runs CS fine, there is that.
>http://lifehacker.com/5493849/get-mac-like-scrolling-and-gestures-on-a-windows-laptop
>You may experience some quirks or buggy behavior
In the second paragraph. Even assuming it would work near perfect, that'd require time for tweaking and time is money.
>That still doesn't refute the better looking and higher resolution display.
Better looking, slightly but sure. Higher resolution is more tricky, since you're more likely than not to run into some program not optimized for it and have to deal with bugs, artifacts and huge/tiny icons. Good hardware without matching software is pretty meh.
>>54153439
>but both Helvetica and San Francisco are terrible to read on a non-retina display, because their small arches will blur out, their thin gaps make letters melt and cause horrible aliasing.
My sisters 13" Air looks fine, even from my overly critical perspective after being used to Retina. If you never used a hi res screen before, the shittiness is even less likely to stand out.
>>54153492
>Core M 5Y7
>5500U
>6200U
Compare these with http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i5-5257U-Notebook-Processor.127680.0.html
>>54153246
That doesn't even make any sense
Well, you tried I guess
>>54153544
OSX is superior to Linux in just about every possible way.
>>54153556
If you actually use the term gaymen you're opinion is worthless.
>trackpad impossible to click near upper edge
>extremely loose near bottom edge
>overall flimsy diving board piece of shit
>even applel themselves has admitted it's utter shit now and has trashed the design to go back to copying 90's era laptops with solid non-click touchpads
>still has no real buttons
>relies on pressure sensitive gimmick bullshit
>if you press too lightly or too hard it does something completely different than what you intended
>ultra shit tier zero travel chiclet keyboard
>OSX is a steaming pile of shit with horrendous battery management
>applel's solution is to cram in a massive heavy 95WHr battery to make up for it
>even XXXTREME GAMER cancer like razer blade with 4X the CPU/GPU power and 70WHr battery matches it in battery life
>gets BTFO by 55WHhr Yoga 2 in battery life in same tasks
>the battery takes up the space where a cooling system would've been in a laptop not designed by the world's thinnest and lightest gay hipsters
>overheats at the slightest task because abysmal crippled cooling system
>throttles to 800mhz because of chronic overheating problems
>retina meme supposedly for "pros" have have <70% aRGB
>blurry as shit retina meme scaling
>macshit is good
Can we finally put an end to this meme?
>>54153141
I have an HP 4540s. The only way the MBP is beating me is in screen (which unless you're doing photowork is negligible) and weight (2lb difference). Not really a big deal, unless you're a babby.
I have 8gb of ram (that I can upgrade to 16 for cheaper than Apple), 500gb hdd that I upgraded to ssd (also cheaper than apple). And an i5 processor with comparable speed.
I paid $600 for this in 2013 and it still works fine. Are you telling me I should pay another $700 for the same specs, lack of upgradeability, and a nicer screen?
Go fuck yourself. For what Apple is charging, you could get a laptop today with better specs out of the gate. If you're talking desktop, the gap is even worse. Stop defending this shit company.
>>54153568
>My sisters 13" Air looks fine
Though not as high as the new Pros, the Air still has higher PPI than the old pros. 1440x900 @ 13" vs. 1280x800 @ 13"
Try using a 2011/2012 MBP with Yosemite
>>54153603
>OSX is superior to Linux in just about every possible way.
kek'd hard
>>54153439
>Lucida Grande was a nice font, but both Helvetica and San Francisco are terrible to read on a non-retina display, because their small arches will blur out, their thin gaps make letters melt and cause horrible aliasing.
Stop talking about things you don't have any clue about, it shows, a lot. Both the version of Helvetica they used as SF are heavily optimized for screen and look crisp, even on non-retina displays. Helvetica could be a little difficult at times, but SF is spot on.
>>54153568
>Depends on use a lot
That's true, the newer intel chips are better in some regards. Compiling code is pretty taxing though, and it's the most important metric for me because it's the most resource-intense thing I regularly do.
>all these apple shills
>>54153605
>trackpad impossible to click near upper edge
>loose near bottom edge
>diving board
>new one is a gimmick
have you used a mac recently? its superior to a traditional trackpad in every way
>OSX is a steaming pile of shit
I think you mean windows pal
>zero travel chiclet keyboard
>throttles
rMBP
>>54153653
Humor me, list some reasons linux is better
>>54153648
>2011/2012 MBP
Was a pretty awkward year for MBP. Retina MPB had still issues and normal one had lower resolution than Air. Though knowing Apple it wouldn't be surprising that they dropped Lucida Grande to make people upgrade.
>>54153691
>Compiling code is pretty taxing though
Sure but usually not taxing enough to get "worthwhile gains". Even Core M isn't too bad for it.
>>54153728
Kill yourself desu
>>54153772
>>54153728
/g/ is filled with autistic manchildren, europoors, and actual children. Trying to have any reasonable argument is a waste of time. They're all lusting after the new Moto G because it's all they can afford.
I agree with most of this thread. OSX truly is the greatest operating environment we have in the modern year. I ca't believe people would even think of using a traditional desktop, when you can bring your Apple - MacBook Air® - 13.3" Display - Intel Core i5 - 4GB Memory - 128GB Flash Storage - Silver to a protest and use it as a way to join the digital era.
>>54153728
less bloated
better storage performance
better graphics performance
independent of hardware
(much) better computational performance
(much) more efficient ram usage
more portable
open source
more modifiable
more control
free
+ about any other reason you could think up
>>54153872
>less bloated
So less useful
>better storage performance
Fair
>better graphics performance
Fuck no
>independent of hardware
Irrelevant
>better computational performance
probably
>more efficient ram usage
>more portable
>open source
Open Source is not a benefit.
>more modifiable
>more control
At the expense of polish and sophistication. This argument gets brought up with poordroids all the time, meanwhile half the flagships don't have marshmallow while the Iphone 4 is running the latest version of iOS.
>free
Irrelevant
>>54153959
here's your (you)
>>54153728
>list some reasons linux is better
- open source
- NSA-free
- freedom (of choice)
- independency
- performance
- customizability
- real package managers
- wider variety of software
- developers that care about users
- developers that don't charge you for simple programs ("apps")
>>54153809
>having a self esteem based on shiny, expensive apply computer cases
>europoors
get shot, retarded murrican buttergolem
>>54153959
>So less useful
Kill yourself retard.
>>54154034
>open source
Lower quality software 99.9% of the time
>NSA free
This is such an irrelevant point in this day and age. Unless you're literally using a payphone and an alias for everything you do you're being tracked and or succeptible to surveillance in one way or another.
>freedom of choice
Which OSX has
>independency
>performance
Superior
>real package managers
Fair
>wider variety of software
Quality over quantity.
>developers that care about users
Right.
>developers that don't charge you for simple programs
This is up to the developers and in general OSX software is much higher quality.
>self esteem based on apply computer cases
It's not even that. Whenever there's a good android phone and or laptop equivalent I'd be happy to switch. So far none exist (inb4 the 6p). Android tablets are a joke at this point.
>>54151163
>Lenovo
>Good
pick one
>macshit
>good
>>54154162
>anime reaction image
Brain damage
>>54154178
:^)
>>54154178
>apple user
Brain damage
>>54153524
>because applel doesn't believe in planned obsolescence
>>54154131
This must be you
>>54153363
Two words: Android Studio
>>54153728
>List some reasons why Linux is better
It isn't literally the most insecure operating system on the market. Mac OS X and iOS both had more vulnerabilities than Adobe Flash in 2015, including a critical vulnerability that took them months to fix, and after they claimed to have fixed it, an ex-NSA employee noted that he was able to still use it to gain root on a Macbook.
Apples specs on paper doesn't matter. The design throttles every component in the system. A well build i3 laptop will shit on a dual core i7 Macbook.
>>54154131
The 6p is a good phone though. The Nexus 5 was a downright amazing phone when it came out, easily as good as the iPhone 5.
>pride and joy of the android line is cheap Nexus devices that skimp on features
>best selling motorola phone ever is a budget phone lacking many features and cutting many corners
>the "flagship killer" and champion for the underdog is also a gimped device missing key features.
>The only company making a good flagship has it riddled with bloatware with gaudy branding and a "me too" design
>>54154248
>planned obsolescence.
Meanwhile what percentage of android phones are running marshmallow?
>>54154265
>the vulnerabilities meme
Multiple versions bundled into one category, no listing of severity of the vulnerability, only measuring reported vulnerabilities, etc etc. That data is pretty inaccurate.
>>54154337
Even still, Apple's response to rootpipe was fucking horrendous.
>>54154332
>slow as fuck camera
>truly awful headphone output and sound quality
>worse build quality than the "bendgate" scandal
>>54154332
You forget the fact that at the time the 5s was already out.
>>54154265
>android studio
Apple vs Android can go on and on in other aspects but honestly Android Development is a serious fucking blunder compared to iOS. You introduce this whole new design language and you don't even have native libraries to support it. Honestly library support in general is lacking and android development is just a massive clusterfuck.
>>54154286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnapaZYD2cU
>>54154332
Nexus 5 was the last good Nexus phone, desu.
>>54153439
Can't you change system fonts on those faggy apple devices?
>>54154535
>turn off hardware acceleration
>apel winz agen!!!1111 xDDD
>>54155030
>WAAH MY WINDOWS™ LAPTOP WITH MUH BETTER HARDWARE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH A FANLESS MAC
>>54155120
>WAAHHHH I NEED TO CHEAT AT BENCHMARKS AND LIE TO MAKE MY FAGBOOK NOT LOOK LIKE COMPLETE UTTER SHIT
>>54155286
>I NEED TO CHEAT AT BENCHMARKS
Prove it.
>>54150983
Hinges, that is all
>>54155318
FCPX literally renders in the background even when you don't tell it to you moron. You would know this if you've ever even used FCPX.
Mactard subhumans should all be rounded up and gassed for being wastes of oxygen desu senpai.
>>54155430
And Apple having better software is cheating ... how?
>>54155503
>copying premiere background rendering and then claiming fcpx is better when you turn it off in premiere
Pic related, it's you.
>>54151843
ok, let's call it "high pixel density screen"
>>54152186
>Retarded exhaust grill placement
that's a real issue with macbooks
>No dedicated volume keys, escape key, forward back browser keys etc.
normies don't use those keys regularly. The problem is, that many software developers are turning to Mac so the lack of some keys may be a problem.
You're missing the main point, buying Apple is like buying something with a glowing I AM A FAGGOT plastered on it
>>54155554
> when you turn it off in premiere
Where did he say that he did that?
>>54152722
1080p saves power.
>>54155657
Good that rMBP gets you 8h+ without gimping the screen then.
>>54155643
He clearly did either that, or let the Macbook sit around for hours rendering in the background before finally hitting "render" and getting the fake render time.
>>54155667
Too bad you gimp everything else with that 20lb battery.
>>54155667
imagine how much time it could last with a 1080p display
>>54155700
Still not much if using homOSeX.
>>54155668
LE BIG CONSPIRACY
>>54155700
Please no. 8h is perfectly functional battery life for most scenarios while 1080p screens aren't acceptable on any device that costs more than 500 bucks or phones.
>>54151173
Do you actually work?
My laptop is constantly moving from my desk to meeting rooms, to quiet rooms, to business trip destinations. Just because it's mobile doesn't mean you have to use it at home. It means you can.
>>54155712
Holy shit, a much more powerful laptop uses more power under load!
>>54153605
/thread
>>54155712
If only you checked your sources...
That test was performed under windows using factory settings. Windows tends to run like shit when you don't install drivers...
>>54155730
>LE CORE M DUZ 4K SO FAST CUZ ITS A MAC xDDDDDD
Fuck off moron, this is why no one takes mactoddler retards seriously.
>>54155748
>fagbook
>more powerful than blade
>>54155554
He turned background rendering off for the second try where he got 13 min vs 17-20 minutes.
>>54155554
I was testing Premiere yesterday for the first time (Coming from FCP) and I had to render everything manually, also the render files ate more space than the ones from FCP.
Premiere is great but if you're using OS X, just stick to what's best optimized for your computer.
In Windows I wouldn't dare touching anything that's not Premiere, I tried Sony Vegas once and it was shit.
>>54155748
So explain why the Razer gets the same battery life with far superior hardware and processing power.
>>54155823
>I was testing Premiere yesterday for the first time and want to shove my uneducated opinion in this thread to shill for Apple.
Premiere has had background rendering for years in the options for people who have the hardware to handle it and want it enabled.
>>54155829
>far superior hardware and processing power
The macbook has a better CPU actually, given the test (reading is fun, try it) Razer Blade GPU barely does shit.
Also from the pic it's not clear which screen version it has.
Why do you faggots care what others spend their money on, again?
I only talk shit on PC users if they start trying to force their SUPERIOR GAYMING PC on you because MUH GAEMS MUH MECHANICAL KEYBOARD. Otherwise zero fucks given.
Did I mention that they spend a shit ton of money on their equipment and then "I PIRATE BECAUSE FREE AND ITS ONLY TO TEST GAMES, YOU BUY THEM IF YOU LIKE THEM"
>I blew my whole savings account to join the Mustard Race and now I can't afford games
You know what, fuck you guys. You trigger my autism. Your taste is shit.
You can't get more comfy than OS X and fuck installing drivers for everything not to mention the constant updates.
IT JUST WERKS, FAGGOTS.
>>54153680
>he calls that crisp
Lmao
>>54150942
yes, macbooks are so massively produce, Apple can sell them at very competitive prices and still be profitable as fuck.
Of course, they still have their retarded OS, cooling system and old design.
>>54150942
So MacBooks are the only thing apple offers that are worth the money. Even still, as an adult with a work office and a home office I don't need what the mbp offers.
>>54155970
>macshit
>works
Nice meme.
>>54155997
>thing apple offers
>worth the money
>>54151596
>The Macbook is aimed at people who want the best portable laptop
Then those people would buy a Zenbook, and if they wanted the best specs for marginally more weight they certainly wouldn't go with Apple
>>54155868
If you have to enable background rendering then FCP is definitely more user friendly.
I spent 20 minutes trying to figure out how to do motion tweening.
Premiere is pretty gud nonetheless. I wish FCP had motion tracking, now I'm going to have to start using both editors.
>>54156044
>i'ma PRO but settingz r 2 hard fur me
>i need apel cuz im a stron independent producer who dont need no 2 button mice
>I spent 20 minutes trying to figure out how to do motion tweening.
JUST
>>54151555
>OS X
>way better design
>fat application bundles
>can't remove global menu bar
>no focus follows mouse without autoraise
>no tilers on the level of awesome or exwm
>uses a fucking dock
>stupid command key
>can't remove window decorations
>doesn't follow proper FHS
>>54154131
>Lower quality software 99.9% of the time
Lower quality than OS X? Are you joking? The kernel is ancient and the filesystem is probably the worst after FAT. No critical system in the world has or will ever run on OS X.
>This is such an irrelevant point
>things my Fischer-Price OS fails at are irrelevant
>Which OSX has
Go ahead and change the window manager. Actually, can you even change the interface font?
>Superior
No it isn't, it's worse by every account. If you install Windows on a macbook the battery life improve, same with Linux. OS X has shit performance.
>Quality over quantity.
>This is up to the developers and in general OSX software is much higher quality.
Except this is an entirely subjective point you pulled out of your ass, when using objective metrics the software is of way lower quality.
>>54155989
>Unix
>retarded OS
I don't think you belong on /g/, friend.
>>54156033
Why would they give up portability (weight/battery life/size), godly trackpad, fanlessness for muh performance ? You're missing the point of a laptop. It's not there to replace your desktop, only to compliment it.
>>54156184
Why would they give up portability (weight/battery life/size), godly trackpad, fanlessness for muh apel? You're missing the point of a laptop. It's not there to replace your boyfriend, only to compliment it.
>>54156168
>macshit
>unix
I know you don't belong on /g/, friend.
>>54151163
>but you can get this used device cheaper
How fucking dense are you?
I love my X1 Carbon and got it dirt cheap, but it's not "magically" better because I got it cheaper. It's a cancerous way of thinking.
Whatever OP, here I am, just enjoying my 2k Samsung display on my thinkpad that has more than 7 hours of battery with screen on.
Also : yep it still costs less than a macbook pro 13 inches.
>>54156244
>certified Unix by opengroup
>Initially created with 4.4BSD licensed code before the death of Berkeley Unix and Apple wanting to go OpenSores.
>Not Unix
It's time for some chemo to clean up this cancer.
>>54156230
>LaVie Z
>shit keyboard
>shit trackpad
>mediocre screen
>mediocre build quality
>worse battery life than 2015 Macbook
But hey, at least it's light and a bit faster!
>wanting high resolution screens for 13" laptops with no dedicated graphics
Both the MBPr and XPS 13 lagged like shit just minimizing and maximizing tabs at maximum res while not being very usable. Why do people want this?
>>54156342
>Macbook
>shit keyboard
>shit trackpad
>mediocre screen
>mediocre build quality
>abysmal CPU
But hey, at least it has an Apple logo!
>>54156408
Wow, baby learned how to copy paste and even added one line!
>>54156386
Nigga, you're so 2012. Even the shit GPU coming with the core M easy handles hi res.
>>54156136
>can you change the window manager or the interface font
Yes, and I have. These questions show to me that the people here arguing about how bad OSX is actually haven't even touched it in a meaningful capacity. As a developer I can tell you that OSX software is much higher quality than your toy linux software.
>people on the go who need battery life
T460 with extended battery for 20+ hours
>people who do media and need hires color accurate screen
MSI PE, V15 Nitro, Schenker XMG, Elitebook, Surface Pro
>people who need a portable workstation
Precision, Probook, Thinkpad W series
>people who work in harsh terrain or are just butterfingers retards who drop their laptops daily
GETAC, Toughbook
>subhumans who eat shit from their hands and want a laptop that's mediocre in every way and isn't good for anything
Macbook
>>54156408
>shit trackpad
You haven't even tried it, stop being stupid
>>54156444
>Nigga, you're so 2012.
I have an MBPr 2015 with an i7-5557U. When I set it to the maximum possible resolution, the lag is noticeable because the system is obviously struggling. Played around with the 2015 XPS13 in the Microsoft Store and it's the same apparent issue.
>core M easy handles hi res
No it doesn't. The Skylake model Core M pretty much just matches the Haswell i5 chip which is 2 generations ago. Core M is shit and shouldn't even exist except to appease the poor.
>>54156519
That's funny, you listed multiple laptops to fit all the things that the macbook does in one.
>>54156486
>As a developer I can tell you that OSX software is much higher quality than your toy linux software.
Ok, provide some examples. I'm pretty sure I know what they will be: some DAW and Photoshop. What I'm trying to explain to you is that OS X fails at its core. The kernel, the filesystem support, the things that really make up an OS. It has better gimmicks and worse core features.
It's the very definition of lipstick on a pig.
>tfw VAIO will never release a cutting edge ultra portable like they did with the 2012 13" Z series with a 3612QM
>>54156547
>macshit
>any of those qualities
Stale bait.
>>54156184
Are you retarded? Zenbooks weigh less than macbooks.
>for muh performance ?
Because not everyone spends their workday browsing facebook and coding html, some people actually need performance to get their job done. The fact that you had to ask this tells me you've never developed anything more serious than a webpage.
Also you talk like anything that weighs more than a macbook is a laptop-shaped elephant. I know it helps your point, but it's a complete exaggeration.
>>54156560
No what you are doing is repeating butthurt Linus. There is nothing wrong with the kernel and I've had no problems with the filesystem. I sitll have a core duo 2006 macbook running snow leopard like a champ.
>>54156629
>Also you talk like anything that weighs more than a macbook is a laptop-shaped elephant. I know it helps your point, but it's a complete exaggeration.
Don't be so hard on him, maclets have a hard life.
>>54156342
>shit keyboard
This is a joke, right? Macbooks have by a pretty wide margin the worst keyboard of any laptop. Acer has better keyboards. I have no idea how the LaVie is, but it's not worse than a Macbook's.
>mediocre screen
>mediocre build quality
>worse battery life than 2015 Macbook
Proof?
I'll give you the trackpad because it's mostly subjetive and I doubt anyone has compared LaVie's to a Mac's.
>>54156342
>But hey, at least it's light and a bit faster!
So let me understand this, when Apple makes hardware compromises, like selling 2-core laptops for 2000$, it's ok because it's lighter, but when someone else does it it's bad?
>>54156629
>Zenbook
Disgusting chink ripoff. It's like the Hyundai Genesis to the Mustang.
>>54156560
>lipstick on a pig
Pretty sure youre referring to windows friend. I'm not even going to mention media software when I refer to higher quality software. Literally every piece of mac software I used is more polished and higher quality than windows counterparts. Airmail, Textual, Vox, Leaf, OpenEmu, Fantastical, Bartender, Alfred, Reeder, Paprika, just to name a few.
Its funny that OSX fails so much as an OS and yet it's marketshare in the consumer space is leagues above Linux and laptop sales are climbing while everyone else is dropping.
>>54156711
It's because when everyone else does it they fuck up. They try to makea macbook clone and it ends up being worse. Hence why there are still no alternatives.
>>54156654
>No what you are doing is repeating butthurt Linus.
No, I'm not. It's a really unoptimized kernel, and instead of fixing it Apple just crams more battery into the case.
>I've had no problems with the filesystem
Ok, and your anedoctal evidence matters how exactly? I've never had cancer, does that mean cancer isn't real?
>>54156544
>When I set it to the maximum possible resolution, the lag is noticeable
You realize that setting it to native resolution actually lowers the work for the GPU because Retina renders 2x the pixels of your chosen resolution and scales the shit accordingly afterwards, yeah?
> Zenbooks weigh less than macbooks.
Zenbooks weigh more than Retina Macbooks and lesser than rMBP. rMPB has much more power if you care so much about that either way.
>some people actually need performance to get their job done
Then obviously the Retina Macbook isn't optimal for them ... but rMBP offers more performance for these people
>>54156689
>I doubt anyone has compared LaVie's to a Mac's.
>http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/06/lenovo-lavie-z-series-review/
Although I doubt you care about objectivity given the bitching about Macbook keyboards.
>>54156711
Could you miss the point even harder?
>>54156779
Well tell me your experiences with the problems you say? I mean you do have them, correct? So you can lay out the specifics. Otherwise you are living vicariously through Linus and his google+ posts.
>>54156779
Lol you are really one of the worst arguers I've seen on this board. Your points are all over the place and your analogies are completely irrelevant.
>>54156781
>rMPB has much more power if you care so much about that either way.
lmao
