Why are people allergic to laptops with AMD cpu?
>>54137046
The flesh burns...
i had to optimise a laptop with some shitty budget amd laptop (2015 e something). i have never dealt with such a slow machine. at least i3s are fast.
they're secretly fed shillpills daily labelled as autism medicine
>>54137046
I just ordered an AMD CPU for my home fileserver.
why are they bad?
laptops are portable devices you usually use in public
and nothing screams "i'm poor" more than amd hardware.
maybe besides having dark skin
>>54137046
I had a Toshiba L505D with ATI/AMD. Although it ran like as hot as a griddle, it was a solid machine. It was my first GNU + Linux laptop and where I learned to edit and compile drivers since it had a non-supported wireless adapter.
I wouldn't put it on my lap, though; >>54137063
>>54137169 | sed 's:like::g'
>>54137046
heat
>>54137046
Higher power consumption means shorter battery life and the need for larger, heavier coolers.
Also, Intel's vertical integration, smaller node and higher volume means Intel are probably able to sell their chips cheaper than AMD.
>there are people who actually fall for the AMD meme
>AMD cpu
>Shitty none optimized Windows
>Runs hotter than the Sun
>Can grill meat in a few seconds
>Warmer than a Sunbeam blanket
>>54137046
They run so hot that they can only fit in behemoth 15.6" laptops and above. People will only buy them if they are cheap so they come with 1366x768 TN screens and cheap plastic.
>>54137114
Don't the $20,000 Macs use AMD?
not too bad, come at me, /g/
>>54137262
That's mostly their GPUs, since they do a stupid amount of compute.
not having to do with amd but the laptops manufacturer. mine is shit and over heats constantly to the point that shit was melted inside when i went to fix its fan, but i could be full of crap and i could just have been a manufacturer error.
Well, I have an old ass Hp G4 laptop with an AMD A6.
It still works perfectly after something like 5 years? I can still play some games like Smite on it and it doesn't overheat. I just had to repaste it with some Arctic Silver maybe a year into owning it.
I also added an SSD a couple of years ago. Shit still flies. Only about 3 hours of battery life, though.
$330 brand new from Best Buy before the $60 SSD upgrade.
The hardware is only as good as the user.
>>54137282
>come at me
I've backtraced your font rendering, you're dead, kiddo
>>54137112
for a fileserver? no not at all. just expect a couple more watts being consumed
>>54137112
they're not
>>54137114
shill and racist faggot
>>54137198
not much difference vs nvidia
>>54137200
this is completely false and im humored
>>54137046
not true lol
>>54137232
not a meme, its a company
>>54137234
not like nvidia heat man
>>54137241
strange my 11" laptop has amd cpu in it and its cold
every one of you is a baby, shut the fuck up and just use hardware you like
stop making our lives so much worse because you don't like something
kill yourself
like now
fag
>>54137086
The E series compete with the lowest end Atom's, no wonder it was slow as fuck
At least the E series iGPU's are better than the Atom's
>>54137426
>not a meme
>its a company
top zozzle
>>54137426
>Nvidia
Literally who when it comes to laptops
>>54137282
>dual core
>less than 3ghz
how is 2006?
>>54137232
Advanced Meme Devices
>>54137046
because it doesn't have Intel Inside™
>>54137442
even still, it's like quicksand. i have a lenovo pc stick (z3735f) and it's faster than the shitty amd laptop.
>>54137509
This, I know I'll be one Team Blue the rest of my life.
It's the best for gaming, and I need a powerful Intel processor to be Occulus ready
APU laptops are amazing. I have an HP M6 with an A10 APU I got like 4 years ago. Despite having an iGPU with dual channel 1600 MHz DDR3 RAM it's still able to average 30-40 FPS in games like crysis 2 or BF3 on medium 720p settings. Performance will only get better especially if we see HBM equipped Zen APUs for laptops in 2017.
>>54137489
Those tiny macbooks have a 1.3ghz dual-core and have no issue editing and exporting 4k video.
>>54137541
i actually was sarcastic.
amd apu's are where it's at if you want graphical horsepowers without a huge price tag on laptop
carrizo is boss
I saw a few laptops with the A10 FX-7600p in it. Quad core with great igpu. Problem is the only companies offering this chip or even the family of this chip is cheap stuff from HP. If a company like Sager, Clevo, or even any company that offers build quality similar to a thinkpad/Dell precision had the A series chips in them, they'd be a hit.
I looked and looked and looked. Nothing worthwhile offers the "godvari" chips in them. Sad really.
>>54137558
i also like to wait weeks for a finished video
>>54137413
I don't get that. I run an AMD Athlon 5350 (25w TDP) in my FreeNAS box. Intels at the same price have a 50w TDP. Not to mention that there are no affordable mITX mainboards for those.
>>54137046
I have a 17" screen laptop with an AMD cpu and it's fine. It runs Windows 10 and has an AMD graphics card for gay men too. I don't use it very much, but it's perfect for what I need.
>>54137589
I got my hands on the 1.3ghz quad core Sempron 3850 and an asrock mitx board for $40 total at Microcenter. The board was $35 but Microcenter has a deal where if you buy and AMD CPU, you get $40 off a compatible board. They gave me the board for $0.01 lol.
It can actually handle a 1440p monitor for moderate usage such as movies and web browsing. Bit laggy, but that's to be expected.
>>54137587
>weeks
Nope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnapaZYD2cU
I'm still using Acer 5560g laptop since 2012 (which uses AMD A8). Overall I'm satisfied with it. If I do need another laptop, I'm seriously going to consider getting another AMD ones
>>54137660
>not rendering pixar movies
I have an AMD A8 laptop with 4 cores and dual GPUs and it's dreamy.
According to benchmarks it's slower than i3 but it doesn't feel slow. It gets the job done always and fast. I don't think that benchmarks are representative of real usage.
The battery lasts forever, I easily get 5+ hours of usage with web browsing and video viewing, it automatically switches between integrated graphics to conserve battery, it charges quickly, it has plenty of ram, it's light, it's slim, it has a DVD drive, it's silent and it's cold. Very cold.
And is was cheap. Very cheap. It has a 1366x768 screen and it's plastic but I don't care because it looks good and plastic > aluminium. And it just werks.
It was half the price of comparable Intel laptops and a quarter the price of Apple and Ultrabooks.
Best laptop I ever had.
Good job AMD.
Thank you.
>>54137046
I need a laptop, not a fucking oven.
>>54137659
Wow. Of course the mainboards are cheaper because the chipset is integrated in the APU, but I still don't get it.
I have A10-7300 and it's horrendous.
>>54137046
Those CPU are better than Celerons
I have a AMD 10-8700p, it's really good and stays cool. Only cost me £320, but my only gripe is the choice of mainboard by the OEM. The AMD APU's are great, but stay away from toshiba.
>>54137900
>plastic > aluminium
>>54137046
>>54137547
>muh nigga
Lenovo E535 (yes the shitty prosumer line) here running A10-5750M, upgraded from A8-4500M.
Runs as hot as the sun since the upgrade, but performance is amazing for 80€.
>>54137900
Same here.
I would only add that the full potential of the AMD solution can be reached only on Linux installed machines.
>>54137046
because they're trash
>poor performance
>terrible battery life
>runs hot
>>54138744
>because they're trash
Not really
>poor performance
see >>54137547 For a fucking cpu+gpu on the same die they honestly pack an impressive punch. My APU can also sustain 2.5GHz frequency when encoding video.
>>terrible battery life
Depends, trinity APUs are pretty power hungry but modern Carrizo APUs are pretty close to intel i3 energy efficiency.
>>runs hot
Well no fucking duh, it's a cpu with a large gpu running on the same die. At least they can play vydia unlike intel's super shitty intel hd graphics
>>54137046
Heat and shit energy efficiency but they werk.
AMD HOUSEFIRES
AMD HOUSEFIRES EVERYWHERE
Because your a fucking retard.
The lack of AMD parts in consumer-line laptops is literally the best proof of Intel market shenanigans that you will see, and it gets worse with each passing generation.
The mid and high-end Carrizo parts blatantly outperform pretty much every i3 laptop out there, and offer compelling tradeoffs in the i5/i7 space - and they cost less.
If I had to buy a laptop today, you can bet it would be a midrange Carrizo for about $500-600; one of the few models Intel does let out to play simply to keep things from looking TOTALLY bonkers.
>>54137241
You just described my laptop perfectly. I fucking hate it.
>>54137046
they are bretty gud when you can manage the thermals but for normies who uses it on a dust filled dorm room it will get very hot very fast
>gf needs a new laptop
>recommend an APU powered HP
>"You can play the sims 4 on it"
>throttles like shit after 3 months
>gf wants to break up
>>54139082
But the IGPUs are good so that is something i guess.
because ultramemes are all the rage right now and that's an intel specification
>>54137234
my old laptop gt525m runs fucking hot and throttles, changed the paste but the gpu is still running shit and i think the newest drivers fucked something up also
"Falling for the AMD meme" means that you fell for the AMD is a meme meme.
AMD cpu and nvidia gpu to have a built in hand heater.
Because battery life is important.
Because nobody wants to pay 400 dollars for an overheating piece of shit with 3 hours of battery life.
>>54139339
battery life is dogshit too on intel based laptops unless they use celery/leltium processors.
>>54139352
Where the fuck have you been you nvdiacuck? Crying salty tears over the 390X btfo the gtx 970?
>>54139352
But intel based laptops have pretty much the same battery life.
>>54137584
this
only shitty acers and HPs have AMD APU, FML
i bet jews did this
I need a laptop and I saw some with Intel i3 quad processor. I dunno if I should go for it or i3 is really too slow?
I need it for media, writing, storing and a little bit of everything.
>>54139428
Build an APU desktop if you can, much cheaper. Else get an APU laptop. hd graphics are literally NEVER worth it.
>>54139133
>HP with AMD
I'd break up too.
>>54139462
I already have a good desktop, I need laptop for different reasons altogether.
Why are people allergic to AMD laptops you ask? I have an AMD laptop and I've literally locked the CPU to the lowest clock speed it can go so that my legs don't burn off and the fans don't sound like a jet engine. It can "turbo boost" up to 3.5ghz but I have it I have the min/max clock speed set to "0%" which puts it at a minimum of 1.35ghz.
>>54137046
>Why are people allergic to anything with AMD CPU?
When are Zen + Polaris APU's gonna hit laptops and what can we expect?
>>54139742
Q1-Q2 2017
Though the ones equipped with HBM are likely to only be in $600+ laptops.
>>54137046
They tend to overheat and use cheap plastic
>>54139545
because they're shit
Cuz intel cpu is better idc for gpu
>>54140240
spoken like a true cuck
>>54137046
Because Atoms and Pentiums are faster.
>>54137282
>Dual-Core
I had a mobile Turion 64 2.0 GHz back then. I had to close everything in order to play games on it.
>>54140401
>Because Atoms and Pentiums are faster.
false
>>54137169
>let me interject
>>54140435
>rendering entire Pixar movies in 4k on your laptop
workstations you man child
They are allergic because AMD is seen as the bargain bin option and perhaps because of past bad experiences.
>>54137046
They're just shit and usually have shit displays
AMD needs to make netbooks with free-sync displays that are built for gaming if they want a chance at selling with their current chips
From what I understand, Intel cpu's along with its integrated gpu's are very well supported in linux. How well is AMD's apu's suported in linux?
I have an intel laptop with amazing battery life, but it comes at the cost of very poor performance.
I recently bought a laptop with an a10-8700p and it stomps it in terms of performance, and has about 50-66% of the battery life, depending on settings and how heavy the useage is.
intel n3540 in an acer laptop I've got, and I can get 12 hours out of the battery.
AMD a10-8700p in a dell laptop I got for the same price, $300 each.
Because people fall for marketing. They see "price/performance" and instantly think it's shitty hardware.
>>54139352
>le overheating meme
intel is actually much worse when it comes to this. I swear to god, my current laptop gets so hot sometimes that I need to turn it off because the heat gets too much that it shuts down my pc on its own.
>>54146265
Post laptop model and processor.
>inb4 C2D
>>54146285
It's an old LG laptop which I bought because it was cheap as fuck. It was on discount the time I bought it and barely has anything on it, just an old pentium 2 and other components, didn't have a graphics card or anything. Anyway I threw it away because it was impossible to use anymore, every time I wanted to use it I had to bring an ice pack with me to act as a cooler, and this fucking shit top melted the entire ice pack in 5 seconds.
>>54137492
Oh I am laffin
>>54146365
> my current laptop
> Anyway I threw it away
Do you live in a dumpster or something.
>>54137442
no
intel actually makes the most powerful GPU when you actually bench their HD series. the compute power for realitve size and transistor count is better than nvidia or AMD
i have an intel atom z8500
im pretty impressed with it.
i can run titan quest in 1280x800 with 40-50fps
....this is a 2watt CPU, and the entire system runs off 5v 2amp USB power
Aren't Intel GPU drivers the only real good open source drivers that are available on linux?
I came from an HP FX 7500 APU, Upgraded to the next model .
The 7500 was a solid game performer but the RAM requires replacement.
8800P has slightly better RAM but still needs upgrading to something with better Latency and branding.
In all honesty, for 600-700$ including RAM upgrade cost, one could have a completely pimped out laptop if Ya went with an FX-8800P laptop, Actually Runs cool and battery life exceeds 6 hours surfing WIFI with normal battery settings and full screen brightness enabled.
There is nothing embarrassing about AMD APU's the right machine will put any Intel/Nvidia gaming laptop to shame within 10 minutes of either plugged in or Unplugged gaming.
>>54146495
The Asus X205TA or Vivobook E200HA get 13 hours runtime (real world), 10 with gaming.
AMD will never achieve this.
Never. The Zen race is about tranqulity. You get Zen by choosing tranquility and this is to be found at Intel.
>>54146525
I had the E200HA briefly. Fuck the standby battery life is fucking shit. I thought it would've hibernate after a few hours like the Surface 3 does. Other than that everything else is fucking awesome, especially the battery life under load.
>>54146525
Even if zen turns out to be completely shit, I'll tell switch to it. Mainly because I have really bad experiences with old intels, plus they come up with nerd names like centrino and kaby lake. Zen sounds much cooler.
Availability and price. Where I buy, AMD laptops are several generations old and priced on par with much better performing i3 i5 counterparts. Hard to blame people not choosing.
>>54146583
The stand by battery life is fucking awesome, kys my man.
>>54146597
Mine would lose about 40% overnight like it was still operating. Other Connected Standby devices I had lasted around 5-7 days without hibernation.
>>54137291
also the cpus from now on
CHECKMATE
>>54138129
>cpuboss
get the fuck out
>>54137046
Because AMDs biggest problems like efficiency and single core performance stand out much more on devices with two cores and limited power envelope/battery.
I got a FX 6300 on my desktop btw.
>>54137046
I enjoy glowing keyboards for typing in the dark but is it so fucking hard to find one without a gaymen aesthetic and shiny ass plastic case?
>>54137200
>10 dollars have been deposited to your intel jew account.
>>54148628
dear amdfag.
please stop complaining about how poor you are and go order yourself a R9 295X2 to show some respect.
sincerely,
anon
AMD's laptops are on the bottom of the pile, quality wise.
The most common AMD laptop is the lowest bidder laptop. Laptops made so cheaply that they're forced to use shitty AMD processors simply because intel charges too much for their shitty processors.
>>54137558
>1.3ghz
This Intel meme needs to die.
The CPU doesn't spend a single second on that level.
Not a single fucking one.
>The updated MacBook features sixth-generation dual-core Intel Core M processors up to 1.3 GHz, with Turbo Boost speeds up to 3.1 GHz
The CPU is going to spend 100% of the time on that turbo boost.
Often even when idling it's on turbo mode.
This was the case with my i5-3210m it's also the case with my current i7-4700HQ and I don't see why that CPU would be any different.
Base clock shouldn't even be reported with laptops.
>>54140240
>no EDID overrides
>>54137558
Because they use a good OS. Apple won't put AMD into their laptops anytime soon.
>>54146628
You're doing something retarded, then.
>>54139362
My 15 inch retina mbp has great battery life
>>54138129
Try a E1 and say its faster than a celeron
>>54149558
That's because fapple laptops have huge fucking batteries. The 2013 mbpr has a 8.6 Ah battery for example. Most ~$400 APU laptops have a 3-4 Ah batteries.
>>54137046
Because they are shit. They are the crosleys of laptop cpus.
>>54149977
>2-4X the graphics performance of intel hd graphics
>shit
k
>>54148658
at least you won't see the rest at night
could just go thinklight style and mount a down-facing led from the top of your monitor
the E-series apus where really poor. they probably only gave them a worse reputation. yes, i know they where supposed to compete with the lowest end from intel but at this point might as well don't release anything. on the other hand their A-series stuff was pretty good and always decently priced, at least here in italy. The problem is that I don't really know how to compare them to intel counterparts. For example, what's the AMD equivalent of an hawsell U-i3? An AMD A4, or A6? Also i'm pretty worried about battery life and shit, although they should have made progress at least since kaveri.
Did carrizo come out at least? I remember it being delayed on markets and It's a bit since I last followed the thing
>>54149449
Fucking this, I had a panel on a laptop die on me and ended up stuck with black bars.
>>54137046
My uncle doesnt buy AMD cause he thinks its made in China nd just copies Intel and Intel is original. Had to show him the wiki for amd for him to believe it.
>>54137282
>current year
>dual core
>less than 3 Ghz
>>54137046
I actually only buy AMD based laptops now, better value for money and I'm not helping Intel get a greater monopoly in the process. Also, last time I bought Intel it fucked my VMs because I'd originally created them with AMD systems.
>>54156178
>using speccy
>>54156206
>using tripcodes
>>54139178
My gt 520m would burn my lap when using my old laptop, upgraded to a laptop with a HD7670m and its much cooler and faster.
Can even play battlefield 4 on low settings with its shitty dual core cpu.
AMD processors are rated below Intel without question. Example: A 3.5 ghz AMD is equivalent to a 2.8 ghz Intel.
I'm pulling those numbers out of the air. But the reality is very similar. How come this isn't false advertising on AMD's part?
>>54137046
We won't be, when Zen comes out.
>>54156394
But the processor is really running at 3.5Ghz.
>>54156428
Then how are Intel chips rated higher? Say you're looking at system requirements for some game. The Intels are always slower than AMD requirements. But they're somehow comparable. Why is that?
>>54148658
>2016
>needing a light to see what keys you're pressing
how have you survived?
>>54156394
any comparison in frequency between different arches is inherently retarded
regardless of the assessment made
>>54156496
IPC
>>54156496
Because nobody said speed = Ghz.
Speed = Ghz x IPC (instruction per seconds)
Intel CPU has twice the amount of IPC as AMD CPU due to superior architecture.
To tell real speed, you look at benchmarks like Passmark (single-threaded score, multi-threaded score). But this is too advanced for Tom, Dick and Harry.
>>54156537
Sorry, IPC is Instruction Per Cycle, my bad.
>>54137046
I just ordered parts for a home office build.
Im looking forward to see how well the A6-7400k performs especially since i am pairing it with an ssd and 8gb 2133mhz ram.
>>54156537
>Intel CPU has twice the amount of IPC as AMD CPU due to superior architecture.
total oversimplification
>To tell real speed, you look at benchmarks like Passmark
"real speed" is actually harder to gauge than you might think, for various reasons
ideally you will want to compare the CPUs based on how they perform at various real world tasks, and occasionally one arch will have the other beat at some tasks, while lagging behind at others
go look at any old sandy bridge vs bulldozer benchmarks and you'll see what I'm talking about
there is also a small caveat, with regards to Intel's proprietary C++ compiler and the way it infamously sabotaged performance on AMD chips back in the day
>>54156537
>Because nobody said speed = Ghz.
But isn't that exactly what they're trying to do? No layman knows what IPC is. They see bigger numbers and equate them to something like horsepower. Does that mean AMD is preying on that kind of ignorance?
>>54156639
It does, due to superior branch prediction and even a better memory architecture. If you want to understand that you can attend my Level 2 course.
>>54156691
yeah this is a marketing tactic both AMD and Intel have used when they were behind each other technologically
Athlons used to beat Pentiums at a quarter of their clock speed, but retards still went for the bigger number anyway
>>54156707
what does? what are you actually responding to you dunning-krueger addled college fuck?
Because it uses too much power and cost too mich, I prefer ARM.
>>54156394
>AMD processors are rated below Intel without question. Example: A 3.5 ghz AMD is equivalent to a 2.8 ghz Intel.
That's not how it works
>I'm pulling those numbers out of the air. But the reality is very similar. How come this isn't false advertising on AMD's part?
It's not.
The latest carrizo APUs have somewhat decent CPUs compared to the latest laptop i3s from intel.
A Carrizo APU locked to ~1.8GHz will have about the same performance as a skylake laptop i3 locked to ~2.1GHz. The catch is the carrizo APU has 4 physical CPU cores whereas the intel laptop i3 has only 2 physical CPU cores.
The interesting part is the TDP, both the intel laptop i3 and carizzo APU will have the same one. For example the A10-8700B and i3-6100U both have a TDP of 15 watts despite the intel laptop i3 having only having 2 physical CPU cores
>tl;dr
frequency means jack shit when comparing different CPUs.
>>54156774
lol
>>54156769
"Intel has twice the IPC" is a deliberate oversimplification you autistic fuck. I'm trying to explain things to a newbie here.
>>54137046
I like to have decent battery time on my laptop
>>54156178
Why crop out the rest?
Are you embarrassed by your build? Or is the cpu sensor and motherboard sensor actually working?
>>54156839
I've been using AMD for years. But I've never really been clear on why the speeds are exaggerated.
I can understand the market angle, i just don't know how or why they might get away with it. It's like Intel and AMD are measured by different criteria.
>>54156612
I've been considering an a8 7600 or a10 7800 for a while since they're so much cheaper than an i3 but still able to perform pretty good, especially for that price.
>>54156957
The whole lineup seems to handle itself pretty good in comparison to intel's counterpart (pentiums). I could have gone quad core with no ssd and 1600mhz ram or dual core (a6-7400k) with an ssd and 2133mhz. So i chose the latter figuring it would benefit best with browsing/word.
>>54156537
speed = Ghz
>>54157052
My only concern is cpu performance since I want to be able to play planetary annihilation with my friends. My friends i3 2100+r7 260x only averages around 30fps.
>>54156774
I don't laugh at you. ARM is the only real solution in 2016. We only need more RAM in these devices (maybe 4GB) and we could have a decent laptop. Bare in mind, that the resolutions on the current flagship smartphones have xbox hueg dimensions and they already carry octa core computing cores, so the potential is definitely given.
>It's 2016 and an x86 CPU still can't scroll a websight smooth like a single core 1000 MHz iPhone or Android does (Android only lags, it's still smooth).
>>54157527
I'd like a heliox20 netbook 2bh with a huge battery.
Possibly use the chassis as a heatsink too, since it'll be aluminum.
11 inch 720p ips screen, 16-10 screen ratio.
4GB ram
50w battery
Usb 3.0
Also touch screen because Ubuntu unity
>>54157523
AMD "A" series (APU) is not meant to be paired with a gpu. it is more geared to handle browsing,office and or video playback. Some slight gaming if paired with fast ram.
If you can't budget a gpu then your best bet would be an a10 chip with fast ram (2133 or 2400mhz). If you are budgeting a gpu then aim for a X4 880k and whatever 1600mhz ram.
>>54139400
My ASUS X205TA has 11 hours of battery life.
>>54137046
APU's are shit and intel is alot better
>this is coming from someone that uses an AMD pc
>>54156957
>>54157523
What's your current PC
What's your budget for upgrading?
no clue on that game's requirements
>>54157523
>>54156957
No matter it sounds like what you really want for that game is an overclocked i5 with a ton of RAM
because AMD doesn't have a CPU or GPU architecture that's viable enough for laptop tier form factor without turning it into a 20lbs portable workstation/desktop.
bulldozer/piledriver/steamroller APUs are literally WORSE than core 2 duo performance, now imagine that at 2ghz and aggressively throttling because of how much heat it shits out.
I've got a Lenovo Z50-70 with an A10-somethingorother and with an SSD, it's fine
>>54146441
>intel actually makes the most powerful GPU
Intel HD has got nothing on amd's APUs.
>>54137046
>Why are people allergic to laptops with AMD cpu?
The average person doesn't really know what's good or not. They just listen to what's popular and go with the crowd.
Since too many retards always shit on amd, that became the belief and norm. Hell.. you have retarded gamers who don't even know what's good hardware for PC gaming and they buy a fucking Mac because that's what's popular.
>>54137112
Their mobile platform sux
Normal CPU you're fine
>>54137046
I have a Carrizo laptop. Is good man.
I had an a8 laptop and stuck an ssd in it.
It was just as fast as my desktop with an ivy bridge i7.
I have a friend, which is a huge amd fan since always, who bought a fx amd laptop.
well, he said it was the worst choice in his life.
even amdfags admit it.
performance stability so bad......unreliable.....
