http://9to5mac.com/2016/04/19/apple-releases-new-12-inch-retina-macbook-line-new-processors-rose-gold-better-battery-life/
>Apple has today released an update to the 12 inch Retina MacBook line, with new Skylake processors, overall better performance, and a new color: Rose Gold. The new internals have also allowed Apple to grab an extra hour of battery life out of the same sized product. The MacBook refresh keeps the same thin chassis, the same edge-to-edge keyboard and the same single USB-C port design as the original Retina MacBook, released about a year ago. The new Retina MacBook costs the same as before, starting at $1299.
>The new MacBooks include sixth-generation Intel Core M processors, with clock speeds from 1.1 GHz to 1.2 GHz. The new integrated graphics are up to 25% faster than the previous generation. The USB-C port appears identical and does not support Thunderbolt 3 as some rumors had suggested. The MacBook comes in two configurations. For $1299, you can get a Retina MacBook with a 1.1 GHz processor, 8 GB of memory and 256 GB storage. A more expensive $1599 configuration is also available with a faster processor and 512 GB of flash memory.
>Core M
>>54116345
7 months late to Skylake Apple. The Air and Pro are still on fucking Broadwell for fucks sake.
>>54116369
Nobody is buying these for power use.
Even though it's just a minor spec bump no TB3 and the same SHIT camera is disappointing.
Battery life is sick though.
>>54116397
>Battery life is shit though.
FTFY.
The battery life meter on OSX is very unreliable. Most of the time it would quote 11 hours, but in only 6-7 hours it would be dead.
>>54116419
Nice utterly useless anecdote
>>54116425
Right back at you, iShill.
>>54116397
No one is buying these for power use because thry aren't powerful
>>54116505
Is that an issue? If a device isn't extremely powerful?
>>54116528
It is in this case to me, are you fucking stupid? I see you are shilling for no apparent reason
>>54116600
Then buy a more powerful device, of which there are plenty.
>>54116611
Holy shit that doesn't stop me from making fun of something
>>54116627
It sounded more like you were complaining, which would be pointless since there are more powerful devices available.
>>54116505
That's the whole point, you idiot.
people aren't buying this for power tasks, and Apple it's telling people those are powerful laptops.
That's like criticizing desktops for not being portable. No shit, sherlock.
>>54116660
This is what I was implying, see the context
Where the refresh on the pro models at, apple?
>>54116345
My boyfriend is going to be begging me for this for his birthday.
>>54116680
WWDC June
If it's any later I'm gonna end myself
Woah, when I posted "it could be tomorrow" in the other Mac thread I did not expect to be so prescient.
Now for the pro...
>>54116701
Wait for the 13" Pro. The prices aren't even that different.
Oh look, a $1300 machine that can only be used for Facebook. How neat.
>>54116852
What should it be able to be used for?
>>54116701
Your boyfriend is more likely to take a chair and bash you to death with it if he saw his birthday gift was an overpriced Facebook machine.
You are better off buying him a tablet, a smartphone, and an external HDD/SSD with the leftover money. More gifts, less of a functional waste.
>>54116890
>an external HDD/SSD
How exciting
...lol?
€1300 Facebook machine
>>54116876
Considering how shit browsers, as well as website coding, are these days; it can't even be used for YouTube without chugging up. It's literally a Facebook only machine, or a book reading one if Calibre or whatever you use doesn't make it blow a fuse.
>>54116913
>it can't even be used for YouTube without chugging up
This is just false. Sorry mate.
Wait, are there really people on /g/ who unironically use crApple shit?
>>54116895
This laptop is basically an external HDD/SSD of inferior quality and quantity, bundled up to a tablet, and some pretty shitty hardware.
...lol?
>>54116932
Desktops are just atoms lol
http://store.hp.com/us/en/ContentView?storeId=10151&langId=-1&eSpotName=hpspectre
and how is this better than HP Spectre?
>>54116952
Better screen
Better trackpad
Better battery life
Better build quality and support
No Windows
>>54116923
Well yeah. They are the fedoras of technology.
The hardware is outdated, just like the hat.
The hardware is overpriced for its inferior capabilities, which make the fedora a little better in the pricing compartment for a hat.
The only positive aspect of Apple hardware is that it looks "classy and elegant", just like fedoras are worn by people who want to look "classy and elegant".
The laptops aren't even luxury tier in pricing, more like middle class level trying to appear high-class with less money (much like a fedora wearer).
>>54116990
>They are the fedoras of technology.
Apple is painted as useless normie shit which is the complete opposite of a fedora of technology. Fedora of technology is something like arch linux.
>>54117006
>Apple is painted as useless normie shit
Normie shit is built robust. It doesn't mask itself in simplistic elegant design.
I hate to say it, but Cooler Master shit is normie shit.
Dell and such prebuilts are normie shit.
Even fucking Razer shit is normie shit.
Apple is just hipster neckbeard shit trying to appear like a richfag, when they barely manage rent.
>>54116701
I read that as pegging and got so confused.
>>54117041
>>54116990
There's clearly some huge misunderstanding here. You might wanna browse this website without posting for a little longer.
Maybe you should go out into the street and ask the next 5 strangers if they've heard of Cooler Master. Then do the same for Apple.
>>54116345
>>The new MacBooks include sixth-generation Intel Core M processors, with clock speeds from 1.1 GHz to 1.2 GHz.
Which throttles to .8 if you actually use them.
>Rose Gold
apple innovates again day one buy
>>54117073
>missunderstanding about hardware whose only purpose is to serve as eyecandy and nothing else just like a fedora
>>54117098
You might want to look at what normal people with jobs that constitute over 80% of the economic sector (small to medium business), or gaymer teens (most of the teenage population) use.
It ain't Apple.
They either get the gaymer shit,
or the most robbust looking yet cheap shit they can find.
You live in a world of delusions if you think Apple appeals to anyone but faggots who actually care how their hardware looks (nobody but an autistic retard does).
>>54117153
So 80% of the economic sector use Cooler Master?
>>54117153
>(nobody but an autistic retard does)
found the autistic retard
>MBP still not refreshed
JUST
>>54117169
I've pretty much outlined the two majority groups that constitute normies, gaymers and blue-collar workers.
If you can't figure out who Cooler Master appeals to, then i have nothing else to say.
>>54117171
There's a fire underneath your butt anon. Better get rid of that.
>>54117203
assburgers or...?
>>54117201
>MacBook Air 11inch still no Retina Display
JUST
>>54116701
L O N D O N
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>>54117382
What's this LONDON bullshit that's recently being posted?
>>54117435
>recently
Guarantee this is the same guy who is equating Apple products to fedoras.
>>54117468
Pretty much everyone on /g/ equates Apple with fedoras.
Don't blame people for seeing the obvious common association between why both products are being used.
Be less upset anon, and stop vaping, wearing a fedora, and buying Apple products.
>>54117512
You need to go back to wherever you came from.
>>54117059
You weren't be far off
>>54117435
>being this new
>>54117516
You need to stop being an "enlightened by my own style and intelligence" hipster, and you'll fit in here in /g/ just fine.
>>54117525
Sorry for not posting on /v/.
I never see that LONDON shit posted on here.
>>54117435
>>54117576
>>54116345
no zen
no buy
>>54117576
That's a /fit/ thing you idiot. Takes you 2 seconds to Google it garnered you have the IQ of an average person.
My wife's son asked me to buy him the rose gold one.
>>54116913
I have used my friends 12 inch macbook. It can play League, stream HD video, I even saw someone playing WoW on it. I mean what else does a normal human being need??? If it can do those things it can obviously be used for programming too.
>>54117041
I don't think you have stepped foot in a college lecture hall or your average american home after 2011.
>>54116435
but he had no anecdote
so you're just an idiot then?
>>54116369
>My sandy bridge i7m still beats this in benchmarks
>>54118161
I mean;
No one is saying the Retina Macbook is supposed to be powerful.
I just want a nice quick ultraportable that's not a Dell without paying the Apple tax
>>54118296
Macbook Air
You don't need faster or a dedicated GPU on a laptop
>>54116345
>1945+75-4 12' inch display
wat
>>54116395
Imagine the battery life when they have Skylake though. Lower temps too, little hard just thinking about it.
>>54116913
You've clearly never used one. I can have 10 tabs open in safari, several word documents open, a chrome window open and it works just fine. Oh, and it runs WoW at 80 FPS
I really want to buy one of these, but I'd feel pretty stupid if Apple then went on to announce a retina MBA at WWDC in June. I'm currently using a Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro and I hate it. The battery life sucks, the trackpad sucks, tablet mode is useless, and Windows sucks with high density displays. I installed Ubuntu just so I didn't have to deal with shitty window scaling but that doesn't fix the battery or the trackpad.
>>54116345
>clock speed from 1.1GHz to 1.2GHz
WHOA A WHOLE .1GHz
SOTP THE PRESS
>>54119390
>clock frequency being relevant in our post-Moore society
Will HD graphics be enough to drive the screen at decent framerates? Or will it be the 5K iMac fiasco all over again?
>>54119390
The difference is in the turbo-boost. The 1.1ghz boosts to 2.2ghz, the 1.2ghz boosts to 2.7ghz. I'm interested to see what the actual difference in performance is when benchmarked, I'm hoping the 1.1ghz is sufficient.
>>54116395
Air and Pro will be dropped completely. Macbook will become ARM-based in next quartal.
>>54119496
>boost for half second
>throttle back to 400 Mhz for the rest of the time
Bravo Apple
>>54119672
>Air will be dropped
Possible but unlikely
>Pro will be dropped
Not happening
>Macbook will become ARM-based
While I imagine Apple is working on an ARM version of OS X I doubt they'll release an ARM Macbook and a Core M Macbook in the same year. Next year is probably the earliest.
>Frome the iVerge review
>Apple gave us the 1.2Ghz Intel Core m5 version to test, and though I can notice the difference, it's small enough that it's not an easy or automatic upgrade from the previous MacBook. I ran a few benchmark tests and have been poking around for the last twenty minutes or so — nothing too crazy — and here's the long and short of it. Geekbench 3 pegs the speed improvements on raw processor operations at around 20 percent, but disk-write speeds using Blackmagic saw bigger improvements, as much as 80 or 90 percent faster (reading speeds look like smaller, incremental improvements). Overall, the thing feels about 25 percent faster to me.
>It's not an automatic upgrade over the last macbook
>buying successive generations of laptops EVER
>Overall, the thing feels about 25 percent faster to me.
>What a reliable benchmark
>>54119804
Pretty sure OSX Works on arm already
>>54119306
They won't do that and I can't imagine why they should.
The air is obsolete by now.
The Pro is as thin as the air and has better specs.
There's literally no reason for the air to still exist
Your post has no content
Perhaps you forgot it
Fuck yes. This is just what I wanted.
>>54116345
Making the best laptop even better now. Too bad I am too lazy to sell my current one and get Skylake swag.
>>54116369
Is probably faster than all the Sandy Bridge ThinkPads poorfags jerk off about; in a much better overall package.
>>54116419
The battery meter assumes that your usage stays the same, which is rarely the case. It still easy lasts 7-8h with medium workload, more if you pay attention to your usage and got low brightness.
I picked my up today at 83% after a week on standby, 6h later it's still at 31% with screen brightness at 50%. Seems pretty gud.
>>54117201
They will probably introduce it with a hardware redesign, so it's not the right time yet.
>>54116345
>tfw skylake still can't into p-states
>>54121113
>Is probably faster than all the Sandy Bridge ThinkPads poorfags jerk off about; in a much better overall package.
It's not, specially if it throttles madly
>>54121113
>Is probably faster than all the Sandy Bridge ThinkPads poorfags jerk off about; in a much better overall package.
What is 'not even close' for $1500 applebux, Alex.
>>54116369
The problem isn't the Core M. The problem is that despite being a Core M, it still thermal throttles terribly.
>>54121166
Well, would be interesting to see some benchmarks. From what I remember Sandy Bridge was about 15-20% faster than Broadwell Core M (and even slower, depending on workload), given that Skylake is 15-20% faster, it should be pretty much identical.
And obviously faster in real use due NVMe SSD.
Throttling doesn't really happen on OSX, 1.1Ghz is minimum, temperatures would only limit the boost clock/time it stays on it.
>>54121190
So? It's not even 1kg, has a great fucking screen and trackpad plus long ass battery life. You'll certainly get more laptop for money with a chinkpad but if you're not a poorfag and want the best truly mobile laptop, Retina Macbook is the way.
>>54121243
>You'll certainly get more laptop for money with a chinkpad
quoted for truth
applefags btfo
How do you guys tolerate having a single type C port? I can't seem to understand the appeal.
>>54121260
You're missing the point, friend. "more laptop for money" matters if your question is "What laptop do I buy after mommy gave me $200?" The question for potential Macbook buyers is rather "What's the best laptop for my needs?"
>>54121339
I only missed it when wanting to connect my screen but since it's HDMI, it already needed an adapter for my previous MBA, so one port doesn't change shit.
Why else would you need it? You can do everything else over wifi.
>>54121406
>>54121243
>>54121113
actually shilling this hard for a macbook on /g/
>>54116419
At least it's not as bad as Dell. They advertised the XPS 13 as getting 15 hours of battery life when it only gets 6 on lowest brightness and idle half the time. Also for OS X, battery life changes a shit load if you're not using safari.
>>54121442
Stating facts is hardly shilling. I recognised that it's not the best option when somebody is poor in my first post. It's obviously also not the best option if you need a desktop replacement.
>>54121501
why do you feel the need to defend an inanimate object produced by one of the largest companies on earth? what drives you to do this?
I asked my mom's boyfriend to buy me the rose gold one.
>>54121526
>why are you discussing technology on a technology board
>>54121526
its a tech board where unironic tards spout off about the virtues of chinkpads so i think literally anything would be fair game at this point
>>54121572
the chinkpads are not really mainstream tho as a personal device so it makes sense that there is some cultish community surrounding them
defending an apple product that was literally just released is just mindless consumeristic drivel to the nth degree
>>54121612
>cult about an outdated piece of plastic is okay
>discussing improved release of market shaping technology is shilling
>>54121406
It's not so much it needs the Type C as much as it needs more of the standard ports laptops tend to have, ie HDMI/DP, SD card, ethernet, in my opinion anyway. I dunno, just when I think of a product marketed as 'Pro' it would have a bigger emphasis on functionality than simplicity.
>>54116345
>chinkbooks
>>54121661
Pro has most of these. Retina Macbook isn't even labeled as "Pro"
Besides, come on, SD card and ethernet are close to useless for most people even for "Pro" desktop replacement.
>>54121653
>discussing improved release of market shaping technology
kill yourself
it's a thin laptop. MUH GAWD IS THAT STEVE JOBS MUSIC? AND IT'S ROSE COLORED
>>54121653
>market shaping technology
>macshit
>>54116345
>1.1 Ghz to 1.2 GHz
Do I at least get a usb port?
>>54121653
>market shaping technology
IT LITERALLY THROTTLES ITSELF
I SURE DO HOPE THAT OTHER MANUFACTURERS CATCH ON TO THIS NEW TRENDY TREND
>>54121701
>>54121733
>not noticing all the fanless copies flooding the market after MB release
>not noticing how ultrabooks are basically Air or MBP clones
>not knowing that Apple is the only company that has growth in premium laptop sector
You don't have to like Apple stuff but denying facts is pretty silly, friend.
Also while the thinness is pretty cool, the weight is much more impressive.
>>54121765
>Do I at least get a usb port?
>>54121765
you don't need a USB port
>>54121786
>what are core M processors
do you really honestly believe that apple is driving fanless computers and not intel? IT'S THE FUCKING SPECS of the SoC you fucking stupid ass mac cuck
>>54121786
>this is what literal brainwashed mactards actually believe
>japan has made smaller lighter laptops with 10x the ports for years
>>54119413
You're an idiot
>>54121786
http://chromebookbuyer.com/search.php?fanless
half of these machines were released before the macbook
apple's design has nothing to do with it. you can't make a fanless laptop without a cpu that supports it
>>54121819
Stay BTFO maccuck.
Are they still using cellphone sized motherboards with everything directly soldered?
>>54121693
Oh, my apologies then. I guess I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have been while reading.
>>54121786
>chinks copy someone else's R&D
BREAKING NEWS AT 6.
>>54121786
>while the thinness is pretty cool, the weight is much more impressive
how much are they paying you?
>>54119774
press the turbo button and go to zero faster than ever before
>>54121801
Intel offers the SoC, Apple the blueprint how to use the SoC right. How many laptops had hires screens before Apple pushed the Retina meme?
>>54121819
>relevant on any market
Also what about important things like screen and battery life? I don't speak waponese.
>>54121843
>Celeron
>ARM
>low resolution trash
>relevant
>mactard mongoloids actually think apple ripping off japanese laptop designs is innovation
>>54121572
>chinkpad for $120
>get an i5 with 2.5GHz
>usb ports
>toss in an SSD and more RAM for $50
>better specs than this shit for a sixth of the price
Apple shills are hilarious.
>>54121801
>you don't need a USB port
Then how will I transfer data physically at 6 GB/s?
>>54121904
Laptops were 1920x1200 while Appleshit was still 1280x800 white plastic bricks that melted if you stressed them in any way.
>>54121918
>Then how will I transfer data physically at 6 GB/s?
>physically
>2016
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>>54121853
Maybe that new processor will give it comparable performance with all the Lenovo-bundled malware.
>>54121156
This. The specs make it look great, getting two Skylake cores and a GPU in what's supposed to be a 4.5W TDP which was Braswell territory (before Goldmont) - but in reality it's 3.5-7W.
And it has the P-state errata from hell. If you use it heavily, it will die young. They don't know why. Braswell was OK and so was Skylake normal, but this thing is trouble. Microcode is trying to limit this. That's why it throttles so aggressively.
They really, really should have waited for Kaby Lake.
>>54121934
Wifi can't transfer data at 6GB/s. Why the fuck would I sit around for 45 minutes to download data from a filehost like dropbox?
It's 2016 for fuck's sake.
>>54121944
>mactoddler has no argument
>pulls out his dank memes
ayylmao@yourlyfe
>>54116345
>1.1 GHz
it's time to post smug animu bitches
>>54121853
But is it fanless?
>>54121944
>implying
>I don't know how to uninstall programs
I mean, I guess that's Apple's target audience.
>>54121930
Only a minority, that was way more expensive too. Apple brought hires screens to mainstream for an affordable price.
>>54121990
>brought hires screens to mainstream for an affordable price.
>apple
How does one become so brainwash and deluded?
>>54121990
>Apple brought hires screens to mainstream for an affordable price.
>samsung starts mass-manufacturing high ppi displays for all manufacturers around 2012
>anon's selective memory thinks apple invented hi-res dsiplays
>>54121990
Just kill yourself you literal brain dead sheep, you are a waste of oxygen for more intelligent lifeforms like mold.
>1.1ghz
Tell me honestly senpai can it run 10bit full hd video without jerking? I don't mean like initially, I mean can it muscle through an entire video without overheating/throttling itself?
>>54121113
>Making the best laptop even better now.
This is LITERALLY a fucking marketing slogan. I can hear Tim Cuck saying this at the next keynote.
>>54121988
>being this cucked by apple that you think fans are bad
fans are literally magical for computers
they allow them to run faster, longer at the cost of $2 and are barely audible and require nearly no power to operate
getting rid of fans has been a disaster
>>54122021
So how many <$1500 laptops had hires screen besides the rMBP in 2012?
>>54121990
>Apple brought hires screens to mainstream for an affordable price.
>>54121988
>le fanless maymay
>>54122021
No one used hidpi laptops. Also, no one used 4k monitors until the 5k iMac was released.
>>54116345
Rose gold is for homosexuals and women. Why do they have a colour exclusively for homosexuals and women?
>>54122086
>buying a MacBook for the performance
>>54122174
>no one used 4k monitors until the 5k iMac was released.
>>54122060
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Z61p.3590.0.html
>>54122209
>>buying a MacBook
If you don't give a shit about performance and care only about weight and battery, Macbook is still shit.
>>54122231
>15.4 inch
>1920x1200
>hires
Nice try, blindfag.
Although given how only Apple, Google and MS still make laptops with 16:10 screens, it's a great example how almost the entire market went to shit.
>>54122214
There's a picture somewhere that showed the cheapest 4k monitor at the time being the same price as the newly released 5k iMac.
>>54122208
So black is exclusively for nigger lovers?
>>54122276
Given how only MS still make laptops with 3:2 screens, it's a great example how almost the entire market went to shit.
>>54122292
As long as you're not running Nigbuntu, no.
>>54122307
>what is a pixel
>>54122291
And it was actually worth the money being 100% sRGB unlike the <70% sRGB 5K macshit permanently soldered to a laptop.
>>54118444
What the fuck does the current year have to do with the size of laptop displays? Are you one of those autists who think any device that isn't made for them has no reason to exist?
Like this isn't even about Mac vs PC, Thinkpads are still made at the 12" form factor. So what the fuck does it being 2016 have to do with that?
>>54122351
there's no reason to buy a 12" laptop when 15" and 17" options exist
oh, you want LESS screen for the money?
>>54122326
a shitty shit device with a shit keyboard made for muh cloud.
>>54122405
>made for muh cloud
>implying you can't install a full OS
>implying you can't also put in a flush 512GB SD card for your animu
>>54122390
>there's no reason to buy a 12" laptop when 15" and 17" options exist
You might as well just say "I'm autistic and can't fathom use scenarios or opinions on feeling and comfort other than my own."
At least then you'd have an excuse for being that retarded.
>>54122235
There were no fanless Intel laptops.
>>54122340
https://blog.conradchavez.com/2015/10/26/a-look-at-the-p3-color-gamut-of-the-imac-display-retina-late-2015/
>>54122449
>hi sir
>i'd like to pay more for less
>yes, you heard me right
>pay more for less
>>54122390
>being this autistic
It might sound outrageous to you but some people leave their basements ... some even ... wait for it ... t-r-a-v-e-l.
>>54119422
The 5ks ran at 60 hz
Wtf are you in about
>>54122452
>fanless
when will this meme end?
>>54122494
>he wants another breaking point in his laptop that actively blows dust inside the machine and makes noise
>>54116967
>Better screen
>Better trackpad
>Better battery life
>Better build quality and support
All of that is wrong.
>No Windows
Since OSX is useless shit that is not advantage at all, you can put any OS you want on the spectre.
>>54122453
>p3
Good joke.
>>54122480
>my 15" laptop prohibits me from traveling
make sure to bring your hijab to the middle east
>>54122340
Normies didn't buy 4k monitors. Not even many of the few gamers with capable machines did.
>>54122511
>actively blows dust inside the machine
kill yourself
>makes noise
20dB, so loud!
>another breaking point
>implying that throttling isn't breaking
>>54122494
Passive cooling and active cooling are literally the same mechanically. One just has the addition of a fan over top of the metal, and the other doesn't, and the air flow is what accelerates the cooling process.
>>54122558
wow, thanks for explaining that to us anon! you've been a huge help! where did you get your degree from that allows you to process complex information like that?
>>54122527
>traveling with a huge brick
Why do you even bother with a laptop?
>>54122549
>wanting dust inside of his laptop
>thinks 20dB is max noise
>thinks Macbook throttles
Living with your handicap must be a pain, anon.
>>54122522
The screen and battery are kinda true. OSX is subjective.
The whichever OS argument is false. You cant have working OSX on a hackintosh spectre
>>54122582
I'm just saying. All forms of cooling are meme worthy, the only legitmately effective one is water cooling.
>>54122608
You are fucking stupid
>>54122549
Thermal throttling is designed to prevent hardware damage, dumbass.
>>54122291
At least you tried.
Apple is a meme brand, by a meme company, that produces only meme products, for meme spewing retards who don't understand a fucking thing about technology, but like to think they do.
Why are you even on /g/?
>>54122586
>>thinks Macbook doesn't throttle
It's literally crippled to 50% performance out of the box idling and doing nothing.
>>54122682
Mspaint over
The contrast ratio for brightness does not equate to color depth. Thr imac is 100%srgb accurate and has an average color output for adobergb.
OSX has a better color output from colorspace conversions than Windows or Linux, and you get a working computer for the price of a monitor.
So, you're arguing nothing. 5k displays are still pricey.
>le macs r gud meme
>>54116709
>I did not expect to be so prescient.
does this phrase even make logical sense?
>>54121243
>And obviously faster in real use due NVMe SSD.
Eh. It will load programs faster, sure, but programs already load practically instantly on a SATA II SSD. And that's before we take caching into account.
>So? It's not even 1kg, has a great fucking screen and trackpad plus long ass battery life.
What is "moving the goalposts?" You said it would be faster, and now you are saying that it is slower but that the slowness is not a problem.
Moving on:
Trackpad is a trackpad. Chinkpads come with trackpoints, which beat any trackpad.
Battery life is mediocre compared to other ultraportables. My X220 gets pretty much the same battery life, and I could make it get 20 hours with the slice battery.
Screen is good but overkill. At 12", I don't notice an improvement from 1080p -> 1440p.
>>54122660
>can't design a laptop that won't overheat itself
>>54117153
>serve as eyecandy and nothing else just like a fedora
lol, this is what neckbeards actually believe
a fedora doesn't serve as 'eyecandy', it serves as an indication to everyone else that you are a walking meme
>>54122448
>512GB SD card
How's the read speed with those?
>>54122779
>working computer
You're joking, right? A display that huge, high-res, and expensive is only worthwhile for professionals. The iMac is vastly too wimpy to be a good workstation. It has a fucking MOBILE GPU and Apple expects people to use it for professional video editing. It's absurd.
And the shit computer also ruins the display. A proper professional display will have a huge amount of calibration features, but the iMac does not because it's a shitty minimalist all-in-one.
>>54117041
>trying this hard to argue that Apple isn't normie shit
You're one dumb ass nigga
>>54122956
Irrelevant. For most users, read speed is only relevant for launching applications and booting. For playing video, anything made in the past ten years will work just fine.
>>54122920
>literally every single laptop/ultraportable maker that uses a metal body has thermal throttling
>even low tier laptops made of plastic overheat and shut off, after 30 seconds of thermal throttling
If you have an ultraportable, it will throttle period
>>54122881
>Eh. It will load programs faster, sure, but programs already load practically instantly on a SATA II SSD. And that's before we take caching into account.
I can confirm this.
I have an Intel 750.
And I notice no real-world difference with my old SATA SSD.
The NVMe SSD's they put in laptops show even less difference, because they are limited by heat production.
>>54123016
>If you have a macshit, it will throttle period
Fixed.
>>54123013
Well yeah, aren't chromebook hard drives miniscule?
>>54118030
He's not talking about programming, he's talking about websites having ridiculous bloated javascript running all the time in the background.
>>54123047
It's 64GB which is more than enough for any distro with the entire repo installed
>>54123016
Most ultraportables throttle, but the Macbook throttles sooner and harder than most machines.
>that uses a metal body
Why are you buying a machine with a metal body?
>>54123070
I guess for an ultra-portable laptop.
>>54123047
No. They big enough for your OS and applications. Putting your home directory (or at least your media) on an SD card and everything else on the SSD would leave plenty of room and be fast.
>>54121693
i would never buy a computer lacking a SD card slot.
SD cards are the greatest form of portable storage. it mounts fucking instantly and writes/reads super quick. it's small and durable. it slides in and clicks in place instead of just hanging off the side of your computer. it can fit in your wallet. if you need more than 32 gigabytes you're probably looking for a external drive anyways.
>>54123134
Plus I though all the "artsy" people why are into photography or videography were supposed to like Macs?
>>54122959
Uwot m8
The only downside of the m290x is that it's from AMD, and thus cant do GPU/CUDA accel rendering.
It fucking runs fine otherwise. Video encoding isn't a fucking GPU task, and the card runs fine doing photoshop, lightroom, AE/premiere, vectors, and 3D unbiased renders because all of them, save for lightroom dont even use GPU acceleration.
Sluggy performance on a 3d model with millions of polygons doesnt matter when it renders out just fine.
Also, OSX has had colorsync utility, which is perfectly functional and doesnt have any sort of minimalism involved in it, and 3rd party color correction apps for colorimeters since colorimeters have existed, how else are they supposed to get color readings in te first place?
You're arguing with zero valid points.
>>54122881
>but programs already load practically instantly on a SATA II SSD
That's simply not correct or you have a weird definition of "practically instantly" since even the fastest NVMe SSDs are still not there.
Opening larger word files would be the best example where I easy notice the difference between SATA III SSD in my old MBA and NVMe in Macbook, which got a pretty slow PCI SSD compared to others because of the CPU.
>What is "moving the goalposts?"
It's called "whole picture." There is hardly a point to a laptop twice the size if it's a bit faster or lasts 4h on battery.
>Chinkpads come with trackpoints, which beat any trackpad.
Meh, a very subjective statement. I wouldn't want to trade the trackpad for the clitmouse.
>Battery life is mediocre compared to other ultraportables.
It's not. Even the Broadwell one lasts about 8h, which is the upper end of ultraportables. Not amazing but not exactly mediocre either. "Good" it is, I'd say. Specially since it lasts longer under heavier load than most. Skylake is 10h according to Apple and they tend to give very conservative estimations, so it's in the "very good" territory.
>My X220 gets pretty much the same battery life, and I could make it get 20 hours with the slice battery.
Sounds unlikely, how much do you get with what kind of use/screen brightness? Also yeah, if you go with the huge battery, you can definitely surpass the MB but carry about 3x as much weight then.
Then again, weight is pretty much a killer argument for it. If you're fine with your X220 weight and prefer the clitmouse, it's pretty much the way to go, but I'd say objectively less weight is better.
>Screen is good but overkill. At 12", I don't notice an improvement from 1080p -> 1440p.
1200p is the real sweet spot yo, 1440p is indeed bit much while 1080p is decent on 12" but not optimal. Also nice colors and viewing angles are nice.
>>54123092
>metal body
Theyre usually the only laptops/ultraportables with dedicated GPUs that aren't garbage/can actually withstand a drop or two respectively
>>54123177
i make art, but i hate mac. well, no, not hate. i just wouldn't ever buy one. i just get used workstations from lenovo. i hate most artists, who are fags. i hate most art because it tries to express what the artist was feeling, as if i fucking give a shit how some fag feels. real art should be about the execution of precise impressions through highly trained mechanical skills.
i have a z800 and a lenovo D30 for desktops and i have a dell precision for a laptop, which i don't move around, i just use for internet. fuck allowing desktops to connect to the internet. the internet is the cancer killing computers.
>>54123134
>writes/reads super quick
Rarely. Tons of laptops connect the card reader over USB 2.0.
>>54123177
Any camera worth it's money has wifi; while SD cards are not too bad as backup, I wouldn't say they are that important.
>>54123277
i used to have an acer travelmate that was definitely not using USB, and my workstations definitely aren't using usb. anyways my experience has made me reluctant to use anything else, ever. it's just too convenient and fast.
that travelmate was literally my travel mate, i walked 2500 miles across the USA with a backpack and sleeping bag and tarp and rope and that laptop, sleeping in the woods and ditches by the highway, and i could use FL studio for like, 8 hours on it, and then just charge it up at a library and be on my way.
>>54123184
>Video encoding isn't a fucking GPU task
Yes it is. There are many encoders that support GPU acceleration.
Besides, we aren't just discussing encoding. We are discussing editing, playback, rendering, and encoding. GPU acceleration may be used at any point in the process. Premiere, Final Cut, and Vegas all support GPU acceleration.
>3D unbiased renders don't use GPU acceleration
Do you think we're retarded? This isn't MacRumors, friend. You can't make shit up and hope to get away with it.
Unbiased rendering is one of the most parallel tasks there is. GPU acceleration is almost ideally suited to it. Not ALL programs support GPU acceleration, but many do and they all should.
>>54123255
You don't make art. You sound like some neckbeard that has no fucking clue about what he's talking about.
>>54123277
>Any camera worth it's money has wifi
Even the new Nikon D5 doesn't have WiFi.
WiFi is slow as fuck and drains the battery.
>>54123393
you sound like a fag
wanna talk about your feewings?
>>54116345
Who cares. Rose gold meme and apple dickheads eat it up.
>>54123216
>word files
>It's called "whole picture." There is hardly a point to a laptop twice the size if it's a bit faster or lasts 4h on battery.
Yeah, yeah. So you said it's FASTER than Thnkpads, and when proven wrong you retreat to talking about the "whole picture."
You were wrong. The Macbook is slower than old Thinkpads. Admit it. We can debate whether or not its slowness is justified, but you must first admit that it is slow.
>Meh, a very subjective statement.
Not subjective at all. It is objectively faster. It is objectively more accurate. It has objectively better ergonomics.
>Then again, weight is pretty much a killer argument for it.
Bullshit. You save a little bit of weight at the expense of EVERYTHING else. Not a worthwhile trade in my book.
>how much do you get with what kind of use/screen brightness?
8 hours at full brightness while playing video. On a machine from 20-fucking-11 that I got for $200.
But yeah, 8 hours is SOOOO fucking impressive.
>>54123509
>8 hours
And, as I said before, I can get my X220 up to 20 hours with the slice battery. That is what a modular design gets you. If I need good battery life one day, I can put in slice battery and get 20 hours. But your Macbook has mediocre battery life all the time.
>>54123632
>>54123509
not him, but same with the fan
HAVING a fan gives me the option to use
I can use thinkfan to control the speed so I can make it silent (and let the CPU throttle) if I'm in class or turn it up full bore if I'm doing encodes or compiling something
NOT having a fan is NOT a feature
>>54123439
It's a meme camera, anon. Try D750.
>>54123509
>So you said it's FASTER than Thnkpads, and when proven wrong
Where? I still haven't seen any benchmarks. Sandy Bridge is a bit faster than Broadwell core M, yes but is it faster than Skylake one?
Just for the argument sake we can say it is of course, not like it changes much about the big picture.
>It is objectively faster. It is objectively more accurate. It has objectively better ergonomics.
Your opinion =/= objective. Although please delight me with the proof that it's objectively better, should be interesting.
>You save a little bit of weight at the expense of EVERYTHING else.
Almost 50% less weight and better screen. What else would be EVERYTHING? Even if we assume that Sandy Bridge is faster.
>8 hours at full brightness while playing video.
Sounds fishy.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-IPS-Subnotebook.55639.0.html
According to this it lasts 9h doing basically nothing (with 6cell battery and low ass resolution screen) so to get 8h movie playback, one would need a battery that'd almost doubles the weight.
>>54123358
>many do
>Implying you've done any 3d work
The majority of renderers don't use GPU acceleration because it will typically introduce bias errors, resulting in artifacts, smoothing to said artifacts, and a whole slew of other problems that are necessary to an unbiased render to give a physically perfect appearance.
Literally every rendering package intentionally hides away GPU acceleration away, because the images produces often fuck up anything to do with real simulated lighting. Refraction, caustics, shadows, transparency, and masks all fuck up on GPU calculated tasks
>>54123699
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=872&cmp[]=2670
The 6 year old CPU is 30% faster
>>54123753
https://compubench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=compu15d&did1=21674302&os1=OS+X&api1=cl&hwtype1=CPU&hwname1=Intel%28R%29+Core%28TM%29+i7-2620M+CPU&D2=Intel%28R%29+Core%28TM%29+m3-6Y30+CPU+with+HD+Graphics+515
Seems balanced out by the GPU though.
>>54123743
what
the fuck
are you talking about
what the fuck do you think quadro's are used for?
allow me to refer you to these programs that require a quadro to run.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-certified-drivers.html#page=partnerSelected
>>54116397
>SHIT camera
It's more than adequate for web chats, nobody is recording movies by holding their Macbook in front of themselves you idiot.
>>54116419
All battery meters work by estimating the time remaining based on averages anon. If you aren't doing anything, check your battery meter, it says '11 hours,' then you start gaymen or transcoding and it drops are you really surprised?
>>54124054
>not having a selfystick for your macbook
>not using your iMac 27" to film your life
Absolute pleb
>>54123753
>The 6 year old CPU is 30% faster
Yet it uses a full five times the power.
Do you want a laptop with a 2 hour battery life or a 10 hour battery life?
You're probably an Alienware customer.
>>54117041
how the fuck isn't the iphone normie tier what the fuck does it even have to do with hipsters you fucking sick bastard
>>54124122
my x220 gets 8 hrs with a 6 cell and 20 hrs with the slice battery so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about
>>54119390
>>54121765
>>54121986
>>54122044
>all this 1.1Ghz meming
It's like you think that an 8 core lagdragon is faster too.
>>54124172
I was talking about the idiot comparing a 35w TDP cpu with a 5w TDP CPU.
Then you barged in here to shout about your spyware-filled chinkpad for some reason. I guess you like chinese spyware, must be it.
>>54124201
I really wonder how M compares to a9x though
>>54124172
How comes the reviews say something else?
http://www.trustedreviews.com/lenovo-thinkpad-x220-review-performance-value-and-verdict-page-3#tr-review-summary
Another one, where even 9 cell doesn't even manage to get 9h with 40% brightness with fucking wifi off.
>>54124226
I think Geekbench got some numbers, if I recall it right, the CPU performance is stronger but Apple got a better GPU.
A10 is probably where ARM takes over.
>>54123753
that 6 year old CPU would also eat through the battery 5x faster too.
Why not post some 100w cpu from and tell us how its faster too ?
>>54124220
nice b8 bro
>>54124271
because I use a linux distro and also there are different versions of the 6 cell with vastly different Wh ratings?
>>54124288
>higher tdp cpu
>comes with a bigger battery
>comes with hot swappable batteries
>available in all sorts of configurations for when you are at home versus out on the road
>cost of total package is 1/5 of a macbook
I fail to see the problem here
>>54124294
>different versions of the 6 cell with vastly different Wh ratings?
Le what? Besides all the reviews had models with criminally bad 1366 x 768 screen, which deserves death penalty for use.
Also times sure changed when Linux gets decent battery life on a laptop, last times I tried, it ate about 2h compared to Winshit.
>>54124324
It's a creaky plastic hunk of Chinese shit with a lame screen, lame GPU, and much worse battery life than you portray, that's the problem.
>>54124366
>Le what?
>0A36317
>0A36306
One is 44 whr, the other is 67 whr, both are 6-cells
>Besides all the reviews had models with criminally bad 1366 x 768 screen, which deserves death penalty for use
The IPS screen is decent w/ really good viewing angles, and it's a 12" laptop so the res isn't a huge factor to me
>Also times sure changed when Linux gets decent battery life on a laptop, last times I tried, it ate about 2h compared to Winshit.
The 4.0+ kernels are really quite good
>>54124428
>creaky
mine has lasted for 5 years of daily use
it creaks slightly
it in no way affects the usability of the product
the chassis is sturdier than any other laptop I've ever used
it also has a god-tier keyboard
>>54124450
>it's a 12" laptop so the res isn't a huge factor to me
Focus on "me", it's objectively quite inferior, and you already lose physical estate because of 16:9 cancer.
>>54124577
>le 16:9 sux maymay
Fuck off iToddler.
>>54123699
>What else would be EVERYTHING?
Cost, battery life, performance, connectivity, repairability, upgradability, keyboard, sturdiness, indicator lights, and fans, for a start.
It's shit in every way except weight and screen. Still, the X220 has a good screen and is not at all heavy. Those are not major advantages.
>>54124220
Irrelevant. What matters is the battery life of the machine. The machine as a whole has the same battery life, so the power efficiency of the individual components is irrelevant.
>>54124633
>i set it to magnify 50x
>oh no it's large like baby toy
>>54124693
>still defending his toddler OS
lmao
>>54124679
>Irrelevant
Size and weight and the excellent screen and the much better trackpad and more GPU power are relevant, you can pretend otherwise but it's true.
And the PCI-e flash drive.
>mactards unironically pay $1300 for overheating throttling chinkbook triple apple/ms/nsa botnet OS shit
>memebook
>>54124428
>lame screen
It's a good screen. Resolution is not great, but it's fine for 12". The viewing angles and colors are both great.
>lame GPU
And the Macbook's 300 MHz GPU is just blisteringly fast, I'm sure.
>much worse battery life than you portray
Just deny the truth enough times and it will go away!
My machine gets 8 hours battery life even at 100% brightness. Deal with it.
>>54124726
>I was talking about the idiot comparing a 35w TDP cpu with a 5w TDP CPU.
Fuck off, Macfag. You made a specific claim: that the TDP of the CPU is relevant. That claim was proven wrong. But once again, you fall back on "but it's better overall!"
The CPU having lower TDP is irrelevant since the battery life is not better. The Macbook sacrifices performance and gains nothing in battery life. Deal with it, Macfag.
>>54124774
P.S. You may notice the "Capacity 79.4%" line. My battery is getting worn out. If I replace it (something a Macfag cannot do), I will get another few hours of battery life.
>>54116345
I'm not into underpowered laptops, but one thing we should all admit, this Mac is the best looking laptop ever, no doubts about it.
>>54124633
>wanting to use aspect ratio for gaymers on a laptop meant for work
And this is how you spot a pleb.
>>54124679
>Cost
Only relevant if both devices are identical.
>battery life
On par with 6cell at worst. Specially if going by reviews and not anecdotical evidence.
>performance,
Faster CPU, slower GPU, much slower SSD. Pretty sure the wifi speed is subpar too.
>connectivity
Will the shitty GPU even drive another screen at 60Hz? Everything else is irrelevant/nice to have at best given the form factor.
>repairability
You're sure more likely to need it with a fan and the obligatory removal of the DVD drive.
>upgradability
>hey, you can add another slow SSD
Though I guess you can count replaceable battery as a plus.
>keyboard
Subjective.
>sturdiness
MB is perfectly stable, no creaking plastic shit.
>indicator lights
Lack of that annoying, useless shit is a pro.
>fans
Who doesn't love cleaning their fans!
>X220 has a good screen
Shit like that makes it hard to take you serious, anon. You like your X220, we get it but calling fucking sub 1080 16:9 screen good is insanity.
>>54124774
>And the Macbook's 300 MHz GPU is just blisteringly fast, I'm sure.
It's almost twice as fast, so compared to HD3000, it's crazy fast, yes.
>>54124838
nah, dell's edge-to-edge kills it
I don't look at my chassis, I look at the screen/bezel
>>54124870
It has an ugly ass lower bezel. Hell, the webcam position makes it even worse than sub 720 shit on the macbook.
Besides, sometimes you close your laptop or look at the base and the Dell one is ugly as fuck.
>>54124870
I like the edge to edge concept, pretty sure Apple will copy that, but the MacBook still looks better than the XPS.
