freetards on suicide watch
http://www.zdnet.com/article/when-it-comes-to-windows-10-privacy-dont-trust-amateur-analysts/
> There's even a fourth option, not available to users of retail and OEM Windows 10 editions, that dials telemetry back to an absolute minimum. There is no evidence that Mr. Crust is aware of these options.
Stopped reading there. Why is he even still arguing? I have to buy the most expensive version to have a right to privacy? No, thanks.
>right to privacy
lmfaooooooooooo
>>54100548
Take this.
>>54100651
Just because you have already accepted Orwell's nightmare like the cuck that you are, doesn't mean the rest of us have.
>>54100548
>>54100660
enjoy your isp logging your data
or are you using a vpn? because that would mean you're paying to have a right to privacy. no thanks
>>54100695
I didn't say everything was perfect -- but the less points for a privacy breach the better. Installing Windows 10 just needlessly adds to the already long list.
>>54100548
INSTALL NOOBUNTU
But they've been doing it since 2001 LMAO
>>54100548
>Windows 10 in the URL
Yeah, I'm not reading that. I can guarantee that nothing in it will put me on suicide watch
>>54100651
>what is the tenth amendment?
>>54101479
The tenth amendment concerns states' rights.
The fourth amendment concerns privacy, and it only really protects you from government intrusion, not corporate intrusion that you allowed by accepting the terms of an EULA.
>>54100548
Freetards don't use Windows in any case, memelord.
>>54100548
>___ on suicide watch
>>54100629
>that dials telemetry back to an absolute minimum.
>absolute minimum
zdnet sez don't trust 'amateur analyst', why should we trust a media outlet known to shill products?
>>54100660
Privacy is not a right. It was not a thing until know
>>54100548
Pajeet....
>>54100629
>I have to buy
>buying windows 10
Nigga they literally give it for free
>>54102254
>free
You still need a license, you fucking idiot.
>>54102341
>You still need a license
Which they literally gave away for free for months and still do if you own a 7, 8 or 8.1 one.
>>54102413
>it was free
>if you already had paid for a 7 or 8 one.
I don't think you know what free means.
If you bought Windows 7, 8 or 8.1, your existing license could be used to upgrade to Windows 10. That's it. Nothing was given away for free.
Please stop talking about things you have no familiarity with.
>>54102413
that is user subjugating shite
>>54100548
>privacy is obviously whit when you look into it even a little bit
>don't worry I can rationalize all the problems away so stop using a system with no privacy problems you have to rationalize away in the first place and use this one instead
>also pay money for it instead of getting it for free
>>54102079
ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?
>>54102477
>If you bought Windows 7, 8 or 8.1
If you bought a laptop for the last 7 years you most likely have a windows key you "couldn't" refuse and they literally offered windows 10 licences to people with pirate versions and to people that didn't even have a pirate or oem one so my friend youseem to be the one that doesnt know what you're talking about
>zdnet
Paid MS shills.
Jesus, Microsoft, if you're going to make up shit, at least pay money to a new shill entity to publish it.
You're really bad at viral marketing, aren't you? Yet another thing you're bad at. No surprise.
>>54101904
>The tenth amendment concerns states' rights.
It concerns rights not explicitly given to the federal government, and it gives them to the states OR the people.
>>54102967
If you're going to allow pirating, then everything is free and you're just making a dumbass argument
what's with the recent influx of win10-hipsters who seemingly have to endure endless torment unless they're shilling the fuck out of win10?
>>54103027
MS allowed pirates to have valid windows 10 licences why wouldn't it be a valid for me to include it as a way to get it?
>>54102254
Not the Enterprise editions they don't.
>>54100548
>Mr. Crust says he performed a custom installation where he "disabled three pages of tracking options."
[A side note here: Actual network administrators configuring Windows 10 Enterprise have hundreds of Group Policy options at their disposal, including fine-grained controls over telemetry and privacy settings. There's even a fourth option, not available to users of retail and OEM Windows 10 editions, that dials telemetry back to an absolute minimum.
That just sums it.How much of an expert to get so damn privacy while I browse porn?
the article is right.
Forbes made a bunch of bullshit articles on W10 after their first article got more hits than almost any other tech article they have published.
It's all marketing and places like /g/ fell for it.
What's the deal with random "old" bits of Windows just lurking in Windows 10?
Like this shit - it doesn't even scale properly because it's old as shit (identical to Windows 7, likely older).
Same shit with Settings - they have this nice new Personalisation section, but let's just duplicate the old Windows 7 style bit too...
Windows is an industry spying tool. Using it in any professional context is insane.
>>54103365
>your password just floating around in the Internet
I think you have bigger problems than Windows spying on you.
>>54103290
>>54103224
>>54103155
>>54103138
>>54103027
Have you morons even read the TOS?!
>90% of the request were totally leight
>10% is encrypted but why bother goy it's for your own good.
>>54103331
>What's the deal with random "old" bits of Windows just lurking in Windows 10?
oh, you know anon, that's just windows consistent ui that's far easier to navigate than a terminal and doesn't require years of experience of using windows to know where everything is
/g/ is a special brand of idiot.
Microsoft has been doing this for over 10 years how is it not exceedingly obvious by now?
FFS XP had backdoors in it for years that they patched out because of security fuckups and everyone finding them and getting haxxored
How is W10 spying articles even news at this point.
YES they are spying on you and YES you cant stop it.
Dont like it? FUCK OFF AND USE UNIX
Meanwhile ill keeping gaming and pirating and watch you faggots argue about which Windows is the least spy ridden between XP, Vista and 7/8.x they are all bad.
I love using a slow, buggy, and uncustomizable OS just to show lincucks that I don't mind being spied on.
>>54103694
Unix can't play games though (except Tux Racer)
>dont trust amateur analysts
So basically ignore 4chan and reddit posters, then.
>>54104185
>write law
>get challenged about its wide scope
>oh, we'll only use it for X
>it gets passed
>it gets used for X, Y, Z
>no recourse
Poo in the loo
>>54104469
>Poo in the loo
Wrong thread? This one is about Windows.
>>54104185
Top kek NEET wangblows shill detected
Here you go faggot. Hang yourself
>>54104703
>le windows update face
>look, if I start doing stuff while Wireshark is capturing a bunch of update packets it looks like it's because of what I'm doing!
Post the "decrypt_rsa" one now, faggot.
>>54104822
>Can't argue
topkek winshills are very loyal. How many rupees do you get paid, rajesh?
>>54100548
Easy fix:
Spybot Anti-Beacon
Problem solved
>>54100548
Pajeet, pls.
>>54104862
Yeah, and make your updates break your system
>>54104860
I literally said what your retarded webm does. What is your point? You think adding a video of Wireshark capturing Windows update packets proves shit?
Oh look, it's another "anon thinks he cares about privacy by bitching about his OS, while also owning and using a smartphone" thread.
>>54104892
I bet you are one of those dumb sluts that like to snapchat every 30 seconds
>>54104890
It does. Enjoy your botnet.
>>54104822
You should see that one when the dude change the 2 .BIN files into .PNG and show that his screenshot was taken by Microsoft.
>>54104898
I don't even know what snapchat is, but the fact is:
If you "care" about Windows being a botnet and Linux being free, and also own a smartphone, you are absolutely retarded. Which is most of /g/.
>>54104914
I own a "smartphone". Name my privacy issues
>>54104912
Was that the one with the magic decrypt_rsa program?
>>54104911
I can update my Linux system and run Wireshark to capture packets from that too. I guess Linux is the botnet.
>>54100548
Ed Bott has literally made a career out of sucking up to Microsoft. Good to see he's still around.
>>54104944
>Update meem once again
Nice damage control, loyal shill. Just give up, you are not fooling anyone here
>>54104992
Keep barking, faggot. Anyone who knows what Wireshark is knows that those packets are nothing.
Please link me to one confirmed case where Microsoft has collected sensitive personal information from a user (not included in their license terms).
What's that? There are zero cases? You mean /g/ is just full of shit and talking about theory like "omg they COULD do this if they really really wanted to"? Big surprise.
I guess that means Donald Trump punches infants because in THEORY, he owns a hand. That's definite proof he's a baby puncher. Remove his hands! It's /g/ logic, everyone!
>>54105026
The level of damage control is overwhelming
>>54100629
> expects microsoft freeware to not respect his privacy
> is confirmed retard
>>54105070
Keep barking, faggot. Anyone who knows what Wireshark is knows that those packets are nothing.
>>54105026
>>54105082
>Defending this hard
TOP LEGIT KEK
>>54104703
>hidden tray icons
>bunch of LAN IPs
>both 68.142.103.219 and 68.142.103.219 belong to a ISP website
65.55.44.109 and 204.79.197.200 actually belong to MS though
>Diagnostic and usage data
>Basic
not to mention the several network services windows requests from MS servers since XP
At least make a list of that excludes LAN IPs, your ISP stuff and has no duplicates, it'll be easier to spot both bullshit from you and MS.
Also if thats the famous capture pack where a lot of traffic is blocked you should look into how TCP works
>>54105158
>into how TCP works
Before you say things about repeated trial, I all ready know.
Some MS employee made a blog and ranted for a while about this. I like how he quietly admitted that some of the attempts are not explainable for him though.
>>54103513
Well played, sir.
>>54105218
they don't need to be, according to MS engineers not a single person in the company knows everything about windows, office, visual studio or any other of their big products
>>54104944
>Was that the one with the magic decrypt_rsa program?
Dunno. Didn't noticed. Next time I'll see. Thanks for the info.
>>54105274
>they don't need to be
See here is your cuck mentality. The topic was about botnet explanation and you resort to "they don't need to be explained".
Why did the MS shill even make that blog in the first place?
> Mr. Crust's list has another 549 connection attempts on port 80, which is plain old HTTP. Windows doesn't have a web server installed by default, so those are all incoming connections, with Windows trying to retrieve data. They're not sending it the other direction
> We also know from Microsoft's documentation that it all telemetry data transmissions are encrypted, so it's highly unlikely that any of those unencrypted HTTP connections on port 80 would have included telemetry data had they been allowed.
> We can, however, safely conclude that none of those connections would involve any "spying."
I wonder how much this guy gets paid by MS.
>>54105325
That's some enterprise level cuckoldry right there,
>>54105325
>I wonder how much this guy gets paid by MS.
He worked in MS
>>54105302
i said he doesnt need to have one, someone else has
nice adhominem anyways m8
>>54105325
>>54105350
what exactly is wrong with those >?
Embrace the botnet
http://news.softpedia.com/news/us-government-wants-its-employees-to-install-windows-10-on-home-pcs-503029.shtml
>>54105036
The ToS literally says they will collect your personal information, fuck off with your fallacies
>>54104489
>not adding "source" to the end of that
I posted this last night, came back this morning and not a single, let me repeat, NOT A SINGLE FUCKING ARGUMENT has been made against it.
Is shill seriously the best you can come up with? Are you all just retarded 16-year-olds who don't know shit about networking and just like maymay spewing to get your anonymous 4chan cred? Could you not even be bothered to check the IPs in the article? Could I post some bullshit on Voat about how Linux captures data with no evidence or breakdown of connections and have you believe it? Are you Linux shills?
I expected better, for some reason.
>>54100629
Sending anonymous telemetry is not private enough for you?
>>54100548
Sorry, I don't use an OS for cucks
>>54108717
>why can't you little faggot kiddos prove that this closed-source operating system is spying on you, despite the fact that it openly states it's doing such?
Why bother? I'm never going to be affected by it, as I'm not fucking stupid enough to ever run such an OS.
Seriously, how demonstrably retarded do you have to be to trust anything you do, or any of your data, to an OS that openly states it's spying on you and (unwillingly?) participates in the PRISM program?
When I read threads like this I just assume it's bait. It can't really be anything else, can it?
>>54100695
>you're paying to have a right to privacy
Access to internet isn't a right, it's a service your ISP provides you for a fee under their TOS. If I had the choice of an ISP that respected my privacy I would choose that one as my provider.
>>54101904
>he fourth amendment concerns privacy, and it only really protects you from government intrusion
Sure seems to be doing a great job safeguarding against NSA and PRISM.
>>54108717
>Ed bott, the classic microcuck shill
>Cannot even explain all attempts
What retard are you trying to convince, mouthbreather? This shit blog has been debunked a long fucking time ago
>>54114036
In case anyone doesn't know,
Ed bott is a very well known microsoft defender in the internet, made a lot of money out of it. His primary concern is to shill microsoft and reverse shill android.
He is just another disinfo shill, he could not even explain all connection attempts in his shillblog.
>2,100 connection attempts in eight hours over port 443. Those are secure (HTTPS) connections designed to exchange data so that it can't be intercepted in transit.
>And of course, those connections are not all about telemetry.
What's the point of encryption when windows is encrypting it and sending it over to the MS servers?
>And yes, there is certainly some telemetry data in there.
Sure there is. So some anti telemetry software could not disable telemetry?
Stop the fucking presses.
Truth is, Ed bott is trying really hard to shill wangblows 10, as he always does and /v/ never gets tired of posting is debunked shit blog
>>54105325
>using your system resources like bandwidth, cpu processing power for encryption, electricity, outputting heat to upload botnet data
>>54104914
>compromise doesn't exist
>if you're not one extreme, you should be the other
kill urself my man
>>54108717
>Are you all just retarded 16-year-olds
You are no better than the ones calling you shill
>>54105580
The first one says 'there is no webserver by default, so it must be incoming traffic'.
It takes like 3 lines of code to have outgoing traffic over port 80 and this can be easily hidden anywhere. There is literally no way of proving that closed-source software does _not_ contain a webserver whatsoever. The writer assumes that because there is no webserver program avilable to the user, there must be none at all which is stupid.
The second one reasons
"MS says telemetery is encrypted" ^ "This traffic is not encrypted" => "This traffic is not telemetery"
In fact, the documentation/TOS does not exclude unencrypted traffic for reasons that are not called "telemetery" but can easily be interpreted as such (even the request source, which is included in any request, is a metric)
In the third statement the writer concludes that there is no spying at all, which is fundamentally impossible when dealing with encrypted traffic
>>54115568
thank you for the coherent answer
i accidently got here, what is this thread about?
>>54101479
Isn't that the one about not fucking your neighbor's donkey?
>>54102079
-Anon, 2016
>>54100548
>cites microsoft.com as his sources for why all this shit isn't spying on you
>>54103365
There are two separate internets?
>>54100629
The worst part is
>to an absolute minimum
I.e. it's still there.
Nevermind the fact that
>lmao nosource
>>54100548
>freetards on suicide watch
Thanks for taking all suicidal thoughts away with that funny post, friend. It's a damage control (literally) article from February.
I don't understand your need to share this with free software community, though. We are not into software and data cuckolding. Respect our choice, cuck, and take this to 9gag.
>>54105325
Probably not much since he couldn't even be bothered to goo- I mean, bing network 101 concepts.
>>54100548
>implying that somebody knows what Windows actually do
These thread are useless, trust Microsoft if you want to
>>54104703
If the NSA had a backdoor in Windows, it'd be invisible in the network stack, it's very possible to mask network traffic in an OS's TCP/IP stack.
>>54119895
Yeah, but routers would detect the traffic, making it arguably more suspicious.
Relatively good sysadmin here - Windows 10 is spying. Call it telemetry, quality assurance, whatever the fuck you want. I've sat down and recompiled the TCP and UDP streams (the best I can) since the technical previews and this shit is spying on us all. I hold the opinion that Windows is the best option out there for general purpose computing, but Linux is safer, less big-brother garbage.
It is important to note that the NSA & CIA plant operatives with the intention of them being long-time, career oriented employees on the surface.
Bash MS all you want, they are good OSes but with some major problems, just like Linux. If the shoe were on the other foot and Linux held the market share, you bet your asses the terms Windows and Linux would be reversed in this thread, all else the same.
>>54121556
>linux: 80% global market share
>somehow it's windows that holds the market share
>I'm a good admin pls belib me!
Fuck off pajeet.
>>54121556
>If the shoe were on the other foot and Linux held the market share,
it does hold the market share, by a massive 60-90% majority, on stuff that actually matters: public facing web servers, which by extension can be applied to non-public or public but not web servers
>you bet your asses the terms Windows and Linux would be reversed in this thread
the difference is the open nature of gnu+linux projects is that to sneak in malicious code (no, nobody will take you seriously if you try to implement telemetry or "anonymous" user statistics on gnu+linux systems) you have to implement it as a non-obvious bug and hope it exploit that bug in the future
the problem with this is that trying to backdoor code you know people will be auditing at some point will naturally be far more difficult than just frontdooring the code through the guise of telemetry and anonymous statistics, and that EVERY piece of code can be tracked back to you even over decades
not to mention that as far as some FOSS projects go, people are free to make pull requests but many, many maintainers are elitist fucksticks that are unwilling to accept code from random people, and while this isn't a barrier for entry if it's your literal job, it's not quite as easy as just submitting malicious code to projects
people target windows because it's low hanging fruit as far as the average users capacity to understand and to deal with threats and the ability for professionals to deal with those threats until windows publishes hotfixes, not because it holds the desktop market share -- end users and people in general are far more susceptible to social engineering than people who administrate public facing web servers
>>54122148
>linux: 80% global market share
You have lost what little was left of your mind.
>inb4 something, something, android!
Congratulations on the successful thread OP! Mine always die, people find out I'm with Microsoft and the thread gets deleted. I guess I'm too new at this...
Wanna talk about suicide watch? Look at what Microsoft's done to it's users by accepting Linux subsystem...
Apparently, for now there is no way a regular wincuck with no GNU/Linux knowledge will be able to troubleshoot what's causing increase in his CPU usage:
>https://ma.ttias.be/bash-windows-hidden-bitcoin-goldmine/
Besides allowing bash scripters to write malware without ever touching or learning about Windows CMD and being a great platform for crypto miners, Windows is now vulnerable to Linux forkbombs and "rm -rf", on top of its own bad security.
>>54123659
You can bet your ass it's actually on purpose.
>>54124270
Yeah, it's a safe bet.
>le nothing to see, le nothing to fear.
>>54124396
Now, an update can schedule a process via bash to start at every reboot. That process can then be used to spy on you 24/7 and you will never know about it. "what backdoor?"
I use windows 10 as my primary OS. There is definitely some shady shit that goes down with it and it clearly sends quite a bit of data to microsoft regularly.
For instance, every time I watch porn I clear my computer with CCleaner. Every single time I do though I get a message saying that Internet Explorer (not even edge) is open and I force close it. And if I run the cleaner again after it already cleaned everything it still will say IE is open and it will even show that it is cleaning microsoft reports.
It does this every single time.
Honestly, I can't imagine tech-conscious people using Windows actually believe that it's not collecting data. You'd have to be stupid to believe you're getting W10 free - ain't no such thing as a free lunch. All these community-college level analytical techniques aren't going to find what Microsoft doesn't want you to find.
It all just comes down to whether or not the benefits / usability / familiarity you get from the Windows environment is worth sacrificing your privacy, and in some professions - mostly those that heavily utilize Adobe products or Excel - it probably is. It would be nice if those were available on lugnuts, but so as long as most people aren't concerned with what they are trading to use Windows, it won't be profitable for companies to put resources into developing cross-platform versions.
>>54124594
Ye. I've been curious about this but haven't bothered with trying to find the source.
>>54100685
upboated ;-)
>>54124594
shit that never happens: the post
>>54125249
>close my browser
>clean twice
>this does it again
Pretty easy to prove that it does happen.
