Patek 3970 > All other Swiss complications edition
Required viewing for newbies:
https://youtu.be/508-rmdY4jQ
Strap guide:
http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE
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>>54060383
>>54089605
>barely a gram
lol holy shit.
What's the power reserve like?
>>54089743
How about 5004?
Does /g/ approve of Hamilton
>>54089853
Nice + has inhouse movement , but I prefer the font on the 3970 dial.
>>54089802
I don't know, but guessing I'd say it's less than 12h.
>>54089936
>Power reserve: 33 Hours
>>54089864
Approve is a bit strong.
Accept? Tolerate? Sure.
They're fine entry-level mechanical watches that are mostly completely boring in every possible way.
Once upon a time I had a watch-crush on the Code Breaker. Then I got over it.
What does /wt/ think of the Seamaster 300?
Will it magnetise my watch to leave it near a wireless charger overnight each day?
My SKX is running an average of +8 sec at the moment so it doesn't seem to be affecting it but if there's a risk I'll stop leaving it there.
>>54090010
They look and feel cheap in person.
Might as well get this.
>>54090010
I really don't like arrow hands, except for seconds. At least Aqua Terra doesn't have it so pronounced.
Black or white?
>>54090010
Most beautiful diver imo, my uncle has got an older version.
>>54090170
Black.
>>54090010
It's fine. I wouldn't buy it, but it's not really bad.
>>54090170
Neither of them, they are both pretty ugly. It's a shame Damasko can't into design, they have really good in-house movements.
>>54089743
What's your favorite Patek watch?
>>54090523
Calatrava on a NATO
>>54090170
Get a Sinn that doesn't look like a toy instead.
>>54089743
>>54090523
3970J
or 1463A
>>54090010
Gives me a sea wolf vibe
My grandpa left me one of these. Wound it up a couple of weeks ago and it still works, it's 30 years old.
>>54090935
Did your grandpa live in the GDR?
>>54091044
Nope, Yugoslavia. He got it in 1985 as a retirement gift.
Guys is this [Dressy as fuck]?
>>54091303
Not dressy at all
>>54089853
>10 gorilian shitty submariner homages but none like this
>>54090935
Dont keep it running. It's in really good condition for a 30 year old watch. I would say it's worth the service cost
>>54091308
This.
>>54091308
Not even on a black croc with a deployant clasp?
fug I need a dress watch for interview season
>>54091400
It's not a dress watch, regardless of strap.
And are those jeans?
So I head to flight school in November. As a reward for achieving my dreams of being a pilot, I figured I'd get myself a nice watch to go along w/ my aviators. Any recommendations? Right now I have a Movado that I really like, but its broken.
I really like the Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave (aka Appleseed XIII)
But it retails for about $3,800, so I'll just stick to using my cellphone.
>>54091459
This or a Navitimer. you're living my dream anon I'm very jelly.
>>54091454
Yeah
would a Chink wellington on leather look ok then? Or should I just stick with this while wearing a suit? I doubt people even care about watches anymore honestly.
>>54091459
I recommend a Seiko Astron 8X that automatically adjusts, via GPS, for all 40 time zones on earth, so you have accurate time no matter where you land.
Alternatively, you could do some Google searching, as you have till November to decide.
>>54091514
>I doubt people even care about watches anymore honestly
They don't very much. So while it's not a dress watch people will probably not flinch at you wearing it with a suit.
In fact if someone does know much about watches, they will probably care less about if that watch is okay to wear a suit and instead care more about the fact that you're wearing a watch made to look like a Rolex.
>>54091577
I don't really like homages too much but it annoys me when people dismiss this watch for being one. The Paul Newman hasn't been in production for almost a century now.
I doubt any non watch autist would recognize this as a rolex design
also posting comfy timex chrono
>>54091635
>I doubt any non watch autist would recognize
That's why I said
>if someone does know much about watches
>>54091514
R'ing that drawfag version of this watch
>>54090935
Have it serviced.
Glashutte is great.
>>54091400
>CK ALPHA
top kek
beta AF
>>54091490
cringe
>>54091650
Got the same watch, mate. Just wanted something cheap that looked decent and told me the time.
>>54091490
That's like two A660 Chronomasters.
im thinking about getting a leather strap for this honestly
just to switch it up somtimes
>>54090583
Pls explain how anything about these watches make them a toy.
![Omega-Soho-037[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gDdGy3K.jpg "Omega-Soho-037[1].jpg")
>>54093142
>>54093142
I'd suggest you check out Dangerous 9 Straps if you'd like custom work which will add personality to the watch.
>>54093370
That's the most instagram-intended fuckugly strap I've ever seen.
I've seen some guy that did custom leather mainly for Rolex and focused on conforming endpieces. That's interesting custom. Sadly don't remember the name, think he was German.
is this like the buick of watches?
>>54093495
>bulova
doesn't even make it to "kia"
>>54093495
Best description of Bulova I've ever read.
>>54093495
>the buick of watches
>>54093408
Munich.
Same guy, unless I am mistaken.
>>54091919
don't make fun of the flightmaster...
>>54093495
Thats a really disgusting date font
>>54093495
The precisionists are some of the best quartz movements you can get, it's too bad the designs aren't quite up to snuff.
>tfw /g/ doesnt like your watch
>>54094167
You didn't buy it thinking /g/ would like it, did you?
>>54094276
W-whats wrong with it?
>>54094167
>>54094303
Shitposting aside, it's fine m8.
You didn't ask if we liked it, though.
You asked if it was suitably formal for wearing to a job interview. It's kinda not.
>>54091459
>aviators
>overly complicated E6B watch that you'll never use
I bet you also have a "remove before flight" keychain. Don't forget to pick up a captain's hat, epaulets, and white gloves, kiddo.
>>54094333
So does such a thing as a dressy chronograph exist then?
Obviously discounting Pateks and JLCs etc.
>>54094167
Lol, you even set it to about 10:10 for this pic?
>>54090010
My boss just got a Seamaster, not this sprcific one, it's the one with the blue wave dial. While objectively a nice watch, I honestly could not help but feel a bit disappointed with the fit and finish considering the price point.
>>54093569
I have a Precisonist (one of the older ones with a tuning fork logo) and my mom drives a Kia Sportage. The Kia is a fucking awful piece of shit, whereas the Bulova has some genuinely good internals packaged in a mediocre case... Kind of like a Buick Regal with the Supercharged 3800 V6.
>>54094368
Sure, there are a few around.
>>54094368
Dressy-ness is partly defined by simplicity and subtilty. The nature of a chrono partly works against that because it complicates the watch. A dress watch in its most pure form is very uncomplicated.
That being said, we can certainly say some chronos incorporate the dress watch essence more than others. But a Chinese copy of a Rolex sports watch is not going to follow the essential elements of dress watches.
>>54094509
Well said.
>>54091303
No. A dress watch shouldn't have a ton of shit on it. It should be bold and shine like jewel, but not with a shitload of damn diamonds.
What does /g/ think of Akribos watches? Got one cheap on an Amazon sale awhile ago
>>54094696
It's crap
>>54094851
Any reason why?
So how about I get this for dressy occasions then?
It's like 20 bucks, steel and seems to have a half decent bracelet
>>54093142
get a faux pink one, fag
>>54094873
Any reason why not?
Does there exist anything like a James Bond-style spy watch? Some watch with some sort of special utility? Maybe a hidden compartment to hide weed in or some shit?
>>54094984
Yeah man, I'm sure James Bond needs to hide a lot of weed in a watch.
Oh wait, James Bond isn't a retard stoner.
>>54095002
thats not very nice
>>54094984
Got you covered m8
>>54094891
Your enthusiasm is great!
But you are kinda missing the point a bit.
Having a watch that is the cheapest piece of shit you could find that happens to be vaguely shaped and colored appropriately is not the same thing as having a dress watch.
The watch you wear should say something about you in a way that you can be proud of.
A dress watch should ideally be something special, for special occasions. At the very least it should say, "I am competent and professional. I am taking this event seriously."
It's about sending a message.
And a $20 Casio certainly sends a message, but not the one you want to send.
Does this make sense?
>>54095240
Nigga I'm a broke biology student.
Casio is unironically my favorite watch company though.
Getting an oceanius the second I can afford it
>>54095276
Do you only like casios analogs or would something like this interest you
http://www.seiyajapan.com/collections/casio/products/casio-g-shock-gb-5600b-1jf-bluetooth-v4-0
>>54095276
Casio makes some attractive watches, and there are some cool Oceanus variants.
I'm suggesting that you would be better served saving that $20. This >>54094891 is destined for a landfill and will likely give you no satisfaction. I think you would find the poor quality quite disappointing.
>>54095394
The quality is pretty good though, all SS and whatnot
I need something cheapish that'll go with a suit, since none of my watches are dressy enough apparently.
Yes I'm broke because grad school apps (especials medical field ones) are expensive as fuck.
>>54095455
And again, just because it is roughly the right shape and color doesn't make it a dressy watch.
What should I look to be paying for a Strela chronograph with a 3313 movement, I really dig the look but they seem to have risen in price over the last few years
>>54090551
Top eww.
I just don't interact with trip and namefags overall. No replies, no trolling not anything. Filtering them is also a nice thing to do, but then one would miss all the dumb shit they talk.
>Calatrava on a NATO
Whoever is dumb enough to pay 20K for a watch, just because PP is on the dial, can also wear it on the nato. Makes no difference anymore, they are still retards.
>>54095707
>No replies, no trolling not anything
Just posting about them.
>>54095636
New? ~$575 USD plus shipping (and possibly VAT)
>>54094891
I like this watch a lot. But let me tell you something, you don't need a dresswatch if you have a casual dressy occasion like weddings, family dinners...etc.
Do not listen to fedora pussies like this one >>54095240
He took the wolf of wallstreet a little bit too serious.
>At the very least it should say, "I am competent and professional. I am taking this event seriously."
What a bunch of cringy bs. Important business meetings, where your watch could play any role in getting you ahead in your postition happen only in movies.
>>54095810
That's perfectly fine. I like what you do and it helps other to show how dumb these low cast redditors are.
>>54095852
Yikes, that's pretty steep
anyone have any recommendations for an automatic chrono that's sub 500?
>>54095907
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>>54095907
>you don't need a dresswatch if you have a casual dressy occasion like weddings, family dinners.
Pretty much.
>Important business meetings, where your watch could play any role in getting you ahead in your postition happen only in movies.
If your watch ever helped you in an interview or anything -- it would probably be because the person you're talking to is a fellow watch enthusiast, and you're able to build rapport and bond over watches with them. And he may be wearing a speedmaster or submariner in his suit. And you'd win more brownie points wearing an inexpensive Seiko diver or cheap vintage swiss watch than some random watch that happens to follows all the guidelines to a dress watch.
>>54095985
>automatic chrono that's sub 500?
kek
>>54096063
>tfw poor but want an auto chrono
it hurts
>>54096072
Tissot Carson.
Google shopping turns up a few under $500 that are purportedly automatic chronographs.
No idea how sketchy the sellers might be.
>>54095985
>>54096072
>automatic chrono
For what purposes?
You can buy a handwound chrono. If you think that winding your watch for a minute, every 42 hours is a hassle, you don't deserve a watch at all.
Got that watch for 579€, Look for watches with a poljot p3133 movement, maybe there are sub 500$ ones. Or buy slightly used.
>>54095985
Nothing worth having at that point. Also 3133 is hand-wound which I actually prefer, and so you don't have +15 mm on your wrist.
>>54096157
>>54096188
>>54096217
>>54095852
thanks for the help
What is he wearing here?
>>54096481
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-story-of-the-hanhart-417-chronograph-steve-mcqueens-othe
>>54094891
If you really want a dressy watch that isn't dogshit consider an Orient Bambino.
The grey dial is dressy enough to wear with a suit but also looks good with jeans.
>>54094984
I'm surprised Victorinox don't make something like that to tie in with their line of Swiss Army knives.
>>54096072
A Seagull 1963 is in budget, it's handwinding though not auto.
>>54096481
A cougar I think.
>>54096481
he is actually shirtless
>>54093614
Slightly ironically, you're right. He calls it TCLS. Doesn't mean he also makes some outright distasteful straps too.
>>54091400
Casually dressy, or dressy for a young guy.
>the feel when you send your watch for service and its gonna take months before you can wear it again
>>54093142
>date window without frame
AHAHAH
>>54094984
We're where you in the 90's?
>>54098424
>We're where you?
You, we're where?
We're you, where?
Hey /wt/ just got my Submariner that I ordered last week.
>>54099571
>pulling an image off some chink site for bait
Here's your (You)
>>54097250
ugh. Those hands are shocking, taper them for gods sake
>>54091459
Get a used Omega X-33, they were designed with input from pilots and astronauts.
>>54097325
Can I get a definitive answer on how reliable these are? Can the chronograph actually be used frequently? And how easy (and expensive) is it to service?
>>54100186
If you want a cheap reliable chrono get something with an OS-20 movement, or just a f91w. ST-19 is neat because it's a fully mechanical chrono for cheap, though chink tolerances and QC doesn't seem to mix too well with chronographs. Read up on WUS instead of asking to be spoonfed.
Post some 'summer' watches.
>>54100405
Ugly.
>wg
>circlejerk to the same shit every day
post something new you faggots
>>54100605
>6106
Is thata Seiko movement? Doesn't look like it.
>>54100653
Yup.
It's somewhat of a predecessor to the later 7000 series movements, both are supposed to be lower end automatics at heart.
Interestingly enough the 6016 and most of the closer variants have hacking, but no handwinding.
>>54100688
This,
I have a Seiko 5 Actus with the 6106 (6106-8460)
'25' Jewels on the dial lol
>>54100688
But why those jewels? Seiko doesn't have the habit of adding jewels just because.
They might add jewels that in the end don't make the watch more accurate, but blank jewels? Never heard of that.
Interestingly, it was something the swiss did a lot before the rules about jewel counting got tighter.
>hurr durr our watch has 54 jewels, but only 17 are used durrrr
This is what my seiko would look like with a metal strap that I havent ordered but have posted here for two years. Ree
>>54100709
I saw a couple of nice NOS Actus examples up for sale recently, almost grabbed one myself.
>>54100714
It's along the lines of: "More jewels=better movement", and since synthetic jewels aren't exactly expensive they might as well. A more recently example by Seiko is the two extra jewels on the 7S36 in comparison to the 7S26.
As far as the Swiss are concerned, i recall Rado having a 57 jewel movement that was based on another 25 jewel Swiss movement. And probably a lot more exist, but not my cup of tea going into that.
Another example is the modern Vostok 2416B that we see in all the Amphibia's the people post here. It has 31 jewels while the earlier variants have 21 jewels.
Now when looking at it the 2414A movement that you see in Dirskie's has 17 jewels (balance; 5, lever/pallet; 4, escape pinion; 2, 4th wheel pinion; 2, 3rd wheel pinion; 2, centre wheel pinion; 2) while the earlier 2416 movements have another 4 in the automatic winder. Annnd suddenly another 10 jewels out of nowhere.
Curious subject though.
Which watch should I get
>>54100842
Depends.
Do you want something as faggy as that shoe or an actual watch recommendation?
>>54100898
Pic was unrelated. I just want a watch recommendation.
>>54100911
Well what kind of watch do you want, and what's the budget?
Also get rid of that tripcode.
>>54100941
I don't know what you mean by "what kind of watch", but my budget is around $300.
>>54100979
>>54100979
a sports watch, a field watch,a dress watch to name a few.
Too many too boot.
Arguebly, if you want a casual "wear it everywhere" the Seiko SARB033 is a nice choice.
>>54100999
>>54100974
I don't recall starting the shitshow so soon.
>>54100898
Why are you responding to that
>>54100979
>I don't know what you mean by "what kind of watch"
What style, if you would.
Sporty, Dressy, Somewhere inbetween.
Chronograph, Diver, Tank.
Automatic, Quartz, give us something to go off. Hell, even find something you think looks nice, and we Anon's can try find some other items along the same kind of lines.
>>54100979
>>54101018
>>54101033
>>54101039
Keep posting blingy ones for me, don't have enough.
Got this though.
>>54101039
That wouldn't be nearly as obnoxious if the leopard print wasn't mirrored.
>>54101026
Casual, not too fancy. Minimalist, but not TOO minimalist to the point where the watch only has 3 parts. Something like pic related, but I wouldn't mind numbers too.
>>54101053
Now we have something to build off of!
Now. Would you consider textured dials "un-minimalist"?
>>54101053
Bambino 3?
I personally prefer the Bambino 2 which I'll post in a second.
>>54101072
>Bambino
My first thought for him too.
>>54101053
>>54101072
>>54101070
Somewhat, but I might be able to deal with them if it's not excessive and overdone, a la >>54101039
>>54100833
The high jewel count in the Vostoks is due to how the automatic winding system works. It has two wheels (onde for each direction) with six or so jewels each, to offer the maximum efficiency to the system. They need to be there.
>>54101088
>>54101072
V1 and V3 are the best.
V2 would be nicer without the date window.
>>54101131
I don't like having date windows in the watch, and can't find any watches matching "Bambino" on amazon with out it.
>>54101156
All Bambino models come with the date indicator, and the example you posted earlier also had a date window.
Not really a big issue on the V1 and V3.
>>54101053
chinese copy of the nomos tangente
>>54101254
>2780 usd
If I could afford this, do you think I would be shitposting on 4chan right now?
>>54101323
you're retarded
>>54101323
rodina knockoff you moron, i have one, have a nomos metro too. The nomos keeps time far more accurately but the rodina was a nice first watch.
>>54101323
I own a few similarly priced watches and I shitpost on /wt/ all the time!
>>54101378
>a few
t. celebrity, entrepreneur, investor, and/or businessman
>>54101395
Celebrity impersonator.
How loud is the ticking in the Timex Expedition Scout? I want a cheap casual watch to wear outdoors, and I really like the look of it. But some reports of loud ticking put me off. Can anybody comment? Is it as bad as the Timex "tell-tale heart" Weekender?
>>54101557
same movement
>>54101323
Why are these so fucking expensive? The case and dial design and finish look equivalent to like 3-500 dollar watch, is the movement really worth paying $2000 more? Same with PP, mostly boring shit with hideous price tags for muh history.
>>54101323
>>54101378
what the anime anon said :3c
>>54101557
Only low range watches are noisy, the others are a bit on the loud side, but nothing you'll hear unless you put your ear on it.
>>54101728
Clearly, you've never actually seen one.
>>54101728
Literally rebbit and WUS started liking them and spamming them everywhere, so Nomos jacked up their prices.
>>54101879
Yep. That's it. Not the fact that they went from using an off the shelf movement to their own in-house movement, escapement included.
The reason is actually reddit.
>>54095541
>right shape and color doesn't make it a dressy watch.
But the one you are showing with the thick case?
>>54101879
Also, have the prices really increased? You've shitposted about it every time someone mentioned it, but I don't see when that happened or by how much.
>>54101907
>they went from using an off the shelf movement to their own in-house copy of an off the shelf movement
w o w
o
w
In-house is a fucking meme. If they were doing something interesting and making a movement themselves because it offered something no other manufacturer could offer then I would be more impressed. Reinventing the wheel just to make the gorrilionth 3-hander low-beatrate handwinding movement with subdial seconds and no date is a pretty useless exercise.
>>54101987
3.2mm tall, mass produced, automatic, chronometer accuracy
so yes, it does offer something interesting
>>54101984
July 2014:
http://web.archive.org/web/20140725085918/http://www.nomos-store.com/en/Watches/Model-Series/Orion/Watches-with-manual-winding/Orion-stainless-steel-back.html
Today:
http://www.nomos-store.com/en/Watches/Model-series/Orion/Watches-with-manual-winding/Orion-stainless-steel-back.html
Unfortunately the archive for nomo-store.com only goes back to 2014. The archive for the main Nomos store goes back to 2004 but they don't show any prices on there.
>>54101809
I'm sure that printed dial and simple round case with straight lugs looks much more stunning in real life
>>54102063
By the way that 1400 EUR is about $1800 with the 2014 exchange rate, if I got that right.
>>54101745
Are there any alternatives more or less at the same price range? I really like the look of the watch w/ a nato strap.
>>54102063
Yes, that's a significant increase.
Interestingly, the 2014 page says the model is being discontinued. I wonder if the price was a sale to get them out of stock - but that seems unlikely.
>>54102066
Enjoy your seiko 5. Every watch is the same.
>>54102145
I do enjoy mine
>>54102130
To the expedition scout? SNZG15 is the closest one but more expensive. (For a reason)
Otherwise the Seiko SNK809,SNKN33,SNKN25 are all rather close.
I'll enjoy my watches that look much nicer for <20% of the price, thanks
>>54102199
Meant for >>54102145
>>54102145
There is literally nothing wrong with a Seiko 5.
>>54101053
http://zeloswatches.com/collections/chroma
>>54094696
New level of disgust when checking them from Jomashop. Chink shit fashion watch garbage. Don't waste your money.
http://www.jomashop.com/akribos-xxiv-watches.html
>>54102286
Wow that's bad.
>>54089926
Do some pateks not have an inhouse movement?
Which strap would you choose for this watch?
>>54102698
Alternative is a Diloy, which is cheaper, but I like the satin finish on the Hadley buckle.
>>54102563
I think now they are mostly in-house, but historically they were not at all. Bragging about muh in-house is a relatively recent meme.
Historically Rolex Daytonas ran on movements from Valjoux and then Zenith. Patek purchased ebauches from Lemania. Audemars used to sell movements to JLC and Breguet. JLC has historically provided movements for many of the high end brands including all of the PP/AP/VC trinity at one point or another. The Swiss watch industry was a big inbred family buying and selling from each other and ripping each other off, the fact that they were such a dense concentration of watchmakers all in such close proximity to steal ideas from each other was part of the reason why the Swiss became so dominant over every other country.
>>54097250
Sub $1000 mechanicals are dogshit.
you're better off with quartz in the segment always.
Having a non serviceble mechanical watch defeats the purpose
>>54102698
I have a brown and tan leather band that I've tried on it (cheap chinese ones but still).
The dark brown looks really nice imo.
>>54102797
>Sub $1000 mechanicals are dogshit.
No.
>>54102712
>>54102698
I've had both Diloy straps and Hadley Roma straps here and i'm a bigger fan of H.R.
t. the guy who originally recommended you to buy that H.R strap.
>>54102797
>non serviceble
They are entirely serviceable. It just generally doesn't make much sense to service them. But the exact same thing is true for quartz at that price -- you would service it if you wanted it to last forever, but it's cheaper to buy new so you generally just don't. You wear it till it's banged up or broken.
>>54102837
Thanks for the recommendation, I've been looking on ebay and they have the best looks for that Seiko 5 imo.
Now I just have to decide between tan or dark brown.
>>54102880
Dark brown leather imo
The tan will look weird.
>>54102871
So why buy a disposable watch for 500 when a 100 quartz will last decades if you keep it clean and change the battery out before it corrodes inside?
Before the swiss went full jew a cheap mechanical was still a quality watch, now it isnt.
>>54102923
They aren't "disposable," it's just more cost effective to replace the movement completely than service. The rest of the watch is going to be fine for decades.
Man i love these official swiss railways watch so much. CFF is basically my childhood.
>>54102961
Thats literally what disposable means
Save your money for a GS, JLC or any other high end watch, and wear a quartz in the interm.
A casio oceanus will last decades longer and is better made than any low-mid tier jap or swiss mechanical. And at least casio doesn't jew you with the pricing.
>>54102997
You realize those lose time like crazy right?
>>54103015
>You realize those lose time like crazy right?
Not anymore.
>>54103035
Wow that looks like shit
Also nice off center date window
Literally my cheap timex looks better
>>54103061
You are so fucking stupid good god.
>>54103102
K
>>54103061
Disgusting watch for disgusting tastes. Color me surprised.
>>54103015
You aren't going to throw the whole fucking watch away dumbass, it's just cheaper after 10 years to replace a movement that costs <$100 than spend $200 to service it every 5.
Hey guys.
Do Vostoks use a left handed case back?
If not, why are all the lug edges on the left side ground down on mine?
Did someone strip them?
>>54100405
I enjoy the "dartboard" pattern on the bezel, and the subtle radial sectioning of the face to continue that theme.
They should have quite while they were ahead.
>>54103142
If you're throwing the main part out (the movement) then its disposable.
Thats because cheap mechanicals are toys. They don't keep accurate time, they dont have decorated movements and they don't last very long.
A good quartz plus high end mechanical is a much better combo.
>>54103215
The exception to lasting very long are vostoks, but I would consider those cheap only because of the old soviet equipment they're made in. Any other company would charge 300 plus for a amphibia
>>54102923
Mechanical watches often last for decades as well even without service, it's just not good for them. But it's not good for quartz either. Someone I work with is wearing his father's 25 year old Seiko 5 which I know has never been serviced.
Saying a 500 mechanical is disposable but not saying the same about a 500 quartz is either ignorance or deception. If you just want to wear a watch for 15 years and fuck with it the least, an automatic is your best option because you won't even have to change a battery.
This comes up often enough, so I'll clarify. Your 5year service interval on a watch is a bit similar to the 6,000 mile oil change interval on your car. What happens at 6001 miles? Nothing. Nothing is broken just because you went a mile over. Even if you go 18,000 or 24,000 or even more miles, assuming you don't have an oil leak or are burning oil the car will still be working most likely. But you are doing damage, and if anything ever breaks and someone looks inside that damage may be pretty apparent. So if you want to keep it for 200,000 miles you change the oil every time. Not because it breaks after 6k, but because if you wait much after 6k, you are hurting your ability to hit 200k.
A lot of newbies act like mech watch needs to be brought in for repair at a 5 year interval. It doesn't, it's brought in for service, not repair. But certainly if you go 20 years with no service, you may be bringing it in for repair or tossing it soon.
>>54103267
Are you stupid? Wearing an unserviced watch is pointless because there's no way in hell its keeping even close to accurate time.
At that point Its jewerly. Also a quartz is very easy to regulate and maintain. Changing a battery take all of a minute and you do it every 5 years or so.
A cheap mechanical movement will not last 10 or more years. The execptions being vostok and the 7s26, but those don't keep accurate time anyway, and the 7s26 is useless after like 6 years.
Save your money something good is my point.
>>54103215
>41 jewels
For what purpose?
>>54103215
>Because there aren't a shitload of vintage watches available for well under $1,000 that have historically good mechanical movements.
>Because the Miyota 9015, Seiko 6r15c, and ETA 2824-2 aren't good movements perfectly capable of good accuracy.
>Because movement decoration isn't literal ditch digging and refilling to put more labour into the movement with little to no contribution to accuracy and reliability.
>>54103334
>At that point Its jewerly.
this entire thread is a circlejerk over watches that keep reasonable, but not outstanding time
>>54103353
The 9015 is basically impossible to service, and the latter two are useless past 5 years, especially the 2824.
Also I was talking about new sub 1000 watches. Obviously buying vintage or used breaks that.
>>54103369
Oh? I thought it was about micro and materials engineering?
>>54103404
Based on what evidence are any of those three movements not serviceable?
>>54103448
Only the 9015 is non servicable
The other 2 are but in the case of the 6r I would say it isn't worth it
the 2824 is a slight exeption because its so popular getting parts is cheap and any half decent watchmaker and service it. You won't have such luck with a Seiko movement.
>>54103476
>>54103404
What do you mean the 9015 is non serviceable?
>>54103476
Bitch please.
The 7s26 and derivatives (6r15 included) are so common and have so many parts that can go on each other that any trained watchmaker WILL have parts for them and WILL know how to service them.
Just like the 2824.
The myota are completely capable of being serviced and repaired, and there are parts easily available. The only problem is the watchmaker's experience with them, because the movement is newish. But every watchmaker worth its salt will be capable of servicing it.
>>54103616
there's no point to servicing a 7s26 and you'll be hard pressed to find someone who will service a 6r for you.
The 9015 doesn't have parts available and is literally made to be a dispoable movement.
I have no idea what kinda fantasy land you're coming from
>>54103476
Without staking myself to a "side" in this discussion, it is my general understanding that Seiko is really good about being able to do practical in-house service of older movements.
In any case, for most simple 3-handers anyone who cares enough about their watch to do so should be capable of performing a basic service. Long-term parts availability is an issue in theory, but in practice fabrication is cheap & easy and getting cheaper with the inexorable march of technology.
>>54103658
>hard pressed to find someone who will service a 6r for you
Both watchmakers that service mechanicals in my city service them, and my city is not that big nor does it have many mechanical watch users.
They'll also service 7s26, but will drop the hint that it would be cheaper to just put a new movement inside.
The price for a complete 6r15 service is similar to a 2824 service.
>>54103658
And I forgot about the myota discussion.
Parts are available retard.
If watch companies can get them, you can be sure the watchmakers can, too.
You can Google it, lots of sites selling full movements or parts.
>>54103727
How much is it to service a 6r?
>>54103658
>>54103727
Another anon chiming in.
I remember visiting an old watchmaker that did his practice in the former-USSR, i recall asking for a price quote to service a 7S26 and he gave me a decent price quote of 35$ (in accord with the exchange rate at the time)+parts.
Dropped in my old slav automatic for a servicing (cleaning and regulating) and he charged me 30$ to clean and regulate, though he said it would be a pain to find parts for the that movements autowinder.
I think he also did common Swiss movements, but never asked him for a price quote.
>>54103801
80€.
More for repairs of course.
>>54103162
pls help
>>54103824
you're fucking kidding me
Thats more than a third of what a SARB costs.
Get the fuck out of here with this stupid shit
>>54103162
Heavy hand with tightening
>>54103866
>Heavy hand with tightening
Yes, but it's a normal right-handed screw?
I turn to the left to loosen?
>>54103893
Yes
>>54103866
SARBs in my country cost upwards of 400€ lel
Also, the price includes complete disassembly, sonic bath, oiling, all the usual stuff. The extra in repairs is for the parts that need to be bought and/or made. Seems like a reasonable price.
>>54103900
Why are they partially stripped though?
>>54103914
QC I guess
you're not exactly buying a Patek here anon
>>54103931
I know that, but the right side of the lugs is nice and square. It seems like that would be easy to instill on the left side as well.
Should I try and file them to shape after I get it off?
>>54103960
you might mess with the WR. If it worls and it's secure just leave it be
>>54103993
Okay, thanks Anon.
I was concerned that I would be trying to turn it the wrong way and that it would slip and mar the cute design on the back.
>>54103244
>>54103215
Before Seiko shit out the 7S26, literally all their low end mechanical movements would last forever.
Someone earlier in this thread was posting about the 6106, which was badically the 7S26 of its day. Except it wasn't, it took a lot to kill one. I have a 6106 that was worn 30 years without a service, and despite the sort of shitty power reserve, it's still perfectly fine and far from the point of replacement. That's the beauty of metal parts and a few jewels here and there.
Also, nobody in their right mind would charge $300+ for an Amphibia when you can get something like a Citizen Promaster with the Miyota 8200 for around $180.
>>54104341
DW charges 100+ for their dogshit. Everyone will try to jew you anon
>>54104341
>implying 7s26 movements are not lasting a long time too
>>54104411
>tfw I got a fake one for 3,5€ that keeps time really well
>>54103993
>you might mess with the WR
how the fuck would that do anything to the water resistance of the case
>>54104458
DW is one of the few brands where you're better off buying the fake.
>>54103404
How exactly is the 2824 useless after 5 years? If ever there was an industry standard, it's the 2824. Any halfway competent watchmaker could service one in the dark.
>>54103658
>>54103727
Anecdotal, but my local watchmaker in a Canadian city of 380,000 people says he will service a 6R15, but he charges $20 more than the 2824 service since it's much lower volume and parts are not literally pouring out of drawers (it costs $120 to service a 6R15 and $100 for an ETA 2824). I know a guy in Toronto who'll service them for $60-$100, "depending on how messed the movement is", but he's "never seen a messed up 6R15". Plus I can find people to service all my ancient Seiko calibers quite easily.
>>54103707
In the interest of balance, I do have to say that Seiko are a bunch of cunts for constantly discontinuing movements and then only manufacturing parts for another 10 years. Not so much on an issue with a 6309, but a big problem with a 44A. No matter how capable your watchmaker is, he still needs parts to work with.
>>54104458
Got mine for 2 bucks
this chink in a suit wearing a real one complimented it kek
>>54104533
Mine has a brown leather strap, but I actually like yours more.
>>54104649
That mesh didn't come with it. More expensive than the actual watch
>>54104692
I might get one, considering the I'm seeing them for 2-7 bucks on ebay.
>>54104511
>I know a guy in Toronto who'll service them for $60-$100, "depending on how messed the movement is", but he's "never seen a messed up 6R15".
That sounds like Shane, right?
>>54104811
I'd service a movement for free if people don't care that I'm just some guy with no formal training who likes to fix watches...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlcb3czu5_s
>>54104854
If I was looking to get an old SKX serviced, sure I'd trust you. Not so much with a Valjoux 7750.
>>54105391
Exactly how I feel too.
It took me a while before I was able to finally trust myself with my great uncle's Universal.
