Anyone still holding strong and haven't fallen for the SSD meme yet?
I'd prefer not to lose my data to spontaneous NAND failure.
>>54067500
Me. But it's not just reliability... After all, you get bad HDD's too. (Seagate anyone?)
It's also about $/GB, and SSD's just don't match up price-wise to HDD's yet. Eventually, they will, and when they do, I'll probably switch... If the reliability is there.
>>54067681
And it's also about $/Speed. You obviously never had any contact with an SSD.
I fell for the ssd meme a long time ago and honestly feel bad for people who didn't.
Just stick your OS and unimportant software on the SSD, and put any important things on a RAID 1 drive that's backed up occasionally. Heck, you don't even have to worry about RAID if it's too expensive.
>>54067500
> muh spontaneous NAND failure
> not knowing you can always read the data
> never experienced spontaneous HDD FAIL
> 2 TB data last, no possibility of recovery
Truly, OP, you are a lying faggot amongst faggots.
I use RAID0 SSD...give zero fucks.
>>54067681
>Eventually, they will
No they won't. They'll continue getting cheaper yes, but so will HDDs. An SSD will never match an HDD on price per GB.
That's not to say that SSDs aren't worth it, though. They serve a different purpose than HDDs.
I fell for the ssd "meme" only recently and frankly, I should've bought one earlier. The speed boost and overall performance is worth the investment when you're paying for something which will last you years probably and is easily transferable to a new system if you need to do that.
>worrying about data loss
Most of my data is kept elsewhere
Are OPAL SSD's a meme?
Should I pick one for my Thinkpad?
>>54067850
You're just pulling this out of nowhere.
If that's the case, what's the reason?
First fell for the SSD meme in 2010, if you actually hold the OP opinion you should get your head checked.
>>54067833
Same. my home server has an ssd raid0, been working fine well over a year that way.
>>54067850
There is no reason SSDs will not become cheaper than or equal with HDDs. You can only produce fragile metal or ceramic platters so cheap.
>>54067870
How about you look at HDD prices a few years ago and compare them to now ?
Price per GB used to be a lot higher on HDDs then they are now, and it'll continue to come down as they cram higher capacities onto less platters.
HDD R&D isn't dead. As long as there are improvements to be made, HDDs will continue getting cheaper/better. Less platters = cheaper HDD, denser platters = lower price per GB.
Of course the same goes for SSDs, but if you think an SSD will ever match an HDD on price per GB you're going to be very disappointed.
>>54067500
Anyone still holding strong and haven't fallen for the HDD meme yet?
I'd prefer not to lose my data to spontaneous controller / platter failure.
>>54067962
That's not a reason. You're just rambling.
>>54067850
>SSDs won't be as cheap as HDDs are
Well, half a year ago I bought 500GB SSD on a cheap, for the same price I bought a 128GB SSD 3 years ago - 125$. The price has to fall and will fall.
>>54067850
well it is not that simple. Pricegreatly depends on the quantity,
>>54067871
^this. I've been an SSD user for last 3 years, and I've seen 6 dead HDDs since then and no dead SSDs. I consider now HDD a meme.
>>54067500
I haven't either. Would it even speed up anything if I use a WM? desu I only think it would be worth it if I use windows (which I don't)
I don't think SSDs are a meme but they're still too expensive for me. I'll wait until I can at least snatch a 1TB sandisk ssd for ~$100.
>>54067500
I have an SSD boot drive : OS, Associated programs all go on the disk. Platter drive in the CD bay of the laptop handles all storage needs.
Biggest draw to the SSD is not the speed, but the silence and negligible power draw. Yes an SSD uses vastly more power to Write, but almost nothing to read and it can drop to an idle or totally off state instantly when done reading/writing. Its over all consumption is less, it operates cooler, and no crunching or whirring.
A normal HDD is plenty fast for general usage so long as its kept spun up. I keep all my documents, dwg files, and media on the platter drive which has a spin down time of 15 minutes when on mains, effectively never cutting off until the computer sleeps or screen blanks.
>>54068041
to be honest (t.b.h) = desu?
>>54068056
Yes, it gets censored.
shaking my head, to be honest, family.
Becomes:
baka desu senpai
>>54067500
Don't you ever back up, OP?
>>54067681
I've actually had a way shittier time with Western Digital drives than I ever have with Seagate. Outside their faulty 1 TB desktop drives released way back in 2008 or so, I can't really think of any Seagate fuckups and as far as I'm aware, they aren't more statistically likely to die than any other drives.
>>54067854
This. I recently upgraded the old 7200 RPM drive in my Thinkpad W500 to a Samsung 840 Pro. I was just about ready to get a new computer, but the SSD has brought new life to the old dinosaur. It actually feels considerable faster than the T440 I have at work.
My Kingston SSD died a horrible death after sudden power loss.
>>54068213
How? What happened?
>>54068213
>Kingston SSD
After doing some photography for some time, I'll never buy kingston. Their SD cards die quick. Buy Samsung or Intel, they are actually worth it.
I remember paying 180 dollars for a Mushkin 60gb SSD.
Since then I've gotten 2 256gb Samsung Evo
0 regrets. I'm convinced I have enough storage to where I won't need to buy another hard drive, only solid state drives for now on.
>>54068042
Why are people who use tripcodes always so stupid?
I fell for it on my T420.
Not on my desktop.
>>54067500
um.. backups?
just buy a cheap raspberry, connect a hdd backup to it, and rsync once in a while (@weekly) for the stuff you really don't wanna loose
>>54067681
that's why you use ssd for OS/programs/games, and keep the media shitz on a hdd
>>54067985
My god, your stupidity is painful.
>>54067850
A HDD has lots of metal parts, a spinning mechanical part with a motor and platters that are expensive to make. An SSD literally consists out of some tin solder, chips made of silicium (sand) and a PCB. There is no reason for them not to become cheaper.
The only reason prices are high is because companies enjoy profit and it is still a relatively new product.
>>54068585
It is also because production facilities for SSDs aren't as developed as HDDs.
>>54067500
I am just waiting Optane.
>>54068654
which is going to cost more than you and your family prepaid to be my sexual slaves for the next 20 years combined
>>54068615
Hahaha, what?
>>54068042
You can get 1TB SDDs for under $300 now
>>54069559
True but I think ~$100 is the sweetspot. I'll just wait until 1TB SSDs hit that price. I'm hoping I'll see that on Black Friday.
Using 256 ssd for OS, 500 ssd for games'n'shit, 4tb hitachi for all my crucial data. +2 old 500gb HDD for back-up mostimportant data from hitachi. Even if ssd fails, Samsung will exchange it for free and reinstalling OS and programs doesnt botherme.
>>54067713
this
also
>losing your data
if you put data on a SSD prepare to get rekt
What fucking meme are you talking about?
Are making threads like this memes? I bought an 850 pro for my desktop and jesus fuck its faster than the hdd I had in there. I can do practically anything faster than my HDD could.
I also bought one for the laptop, jesus christ what are load times?
>>54069633
I would pay $100 for 500GB
>>54067500
just today my netbook hdd died. seriously considering if falling for the solid jew or not.
Me. Mostly because everything space-related is very expensive.
Can't afford to replace HDD - can't afford to upgrade to SSD.
>>54069934
Dude just wait until black friday else you'll get cucked to death.
SDDs are nice and actually worth the money, but they are extremely overrated by the shills around here.
It's a nice speed boost but it's not a life changing experience.
>>54070038
lol waitfags
>>54069884
>if you put data on a SSD prepare to get rekt
This.
The data on a failed HDD can be recovered. If you're a professional photographer or you have other files you don't want to lose, SSD is not an option.
I never fell for the SSD meme because there isn't one. On a related note I have an SSD in my desktop, laptop, netbook, and a few other devices and it was definitely worth it
once you go ssd youll never go back
>>54067704
Yes anon. Getting to boot Windows super fast once a day is surely worth paying 10 times the price.
>>54070168
breh
>>54070250
In Germany cheap SSDs are about 30 cent per GB while HDDs are 3 cent per GB.
>>54067500
>>54067681
>muh reliability
>http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
>the most shit SSD in the test wrote 300 TB before failing
>the best one wrote 2.5 PB before failing
I can't believe there are still faggots like you two who don't know about this. You can buy a simple, cheap SSD like the 850 Evo or BX200 and pass them on to your grandchildren on your deathbed.
>>54067500
Me.
It's only because I'm poor though.
>>54070342
So can I use them for data as well?
>>54070373
Of course, you retard.
If anything, SSDs are more reliable than hard drivers for every kind of usage, only because reliability is good enough on both cases to be essentially irrelevant to most users, and it's more likely users will be affected by mechanical/shock damage (like dropping stuff on the floor) than internal failure, and with a SSD that is not a problem.
>>54070426
>hard drivers
Fuck.
You know what I mean.
>buying an SSD
>not waiting for XPoint
Plebs.
>>54070441
I'm having a hard driver right now if you know what I mean
Been using my 850 pro since December 2014 as my boot drive and install major games on it.
As of now, 35tb written and still works.
>>54070475
Yeah, Uber drivers can be annoying sometimes.
>>54070250
>CS1311
It's not THAT bad, it's at least not the shitfest that the first-gen TLC SSDs were, like the Trion 100 and the ARC100.
I'd buy it given the opportunity, but I'd still prefer the Mushkin Enhanced Reactor 1TB over it for that extra ~40GB of storage
>>54070489
>so many plebs falling for the "SSD is just a meme" meme
>>54070477
Watch out, according to the link on >>54070342 you should only have about 2465 TB left to write.
>>54070477
>35 tb written.
How do you people do it?
I've been using my main HDD since 2009 and I'm at 12.6 TB written so far.
>also only 5 TB read, I have no idea why.
>>54067870
>you're lying
>... are you lying?
>>54068585
Tape drives are still cheaper than hard drive over time (the gear to use tape drives is expensive but adding a TB of capacity is cheaper).
SSDs will always be more expensive than HDDs. The gap may close dramatically (indeed, it *has* already), but the rank ordering of most expensive to least expensive will always put SSDs before HDDs.
Everyone arguing that it's not certain and we don't know the future is being a fucking faggot retard, so stop. We don't know for sure whether the sun has inexplicably stopped the fusion process in the last 8 minutes and we're just waiting for that news to reach us at the speed of light. In everything we do that interacts with the real world, we infer based on the knowledge we have, and we have sufficient evidence and common sense (well, most of us) to infer that SSD prices will stay more expensive than HDDs by some variable amount.
If you're storing lots of data (more than 2TB) or doing it cheaply (more than 1TB and/or less than $100), you will almost certainly be using HDDs for at least the next decade.
>>54070567
this is a good opportunity to remind autistic people, so listen up:
not everyone does the same shit that you do. some of us do different things, or the same things but in different ways. some people - even people who browse /g/ JUST LIKE YOU - download more than you do, or write logs for servers, or do any number of other things that you have no particular reason or need to do.
and it's perfectly fine that they find other products and services right for them when they're not right for you.
>>54070715
Way to be an asshole.
>>54070676
>SSDs will always be more expensive than HDDs.
You've said this three times now, and still provided no justification for it.
>>54070737
look around on /g/ and tell me you honestly don't see the retards who can't fathom other uses cases than their own in 90% of the posts.
tough love hurts sometimes. get over it.
>>54070800
i'm not replying to the substance of your post unless you read the entirety of mine. i know you're eager as fuck to fire off another reply, but i address this problem you have specifically in the third paragraph.
>>54070715
Sir, I was just voicing my surprise.
Not trying to start a fight.
More on-topic thought - checking your main drive's volume of written bits over the years is a nice way to estimate how long an SSD will last.
In my case it'd last roughly 5 times longer than that Anon's. That's pretty appealing when you think about it.
>>54070168
>Getting to boot Windows super fast
If that's your argument you may as well be using a chromebook. It won't make your internet connection faster faggot.
>>54070168
it's not about boot time
if you try it you can't go back
everything is just faster
i tried going back, i can't
>>54067962
But that's fucking wrong.
HDD price development has nearly come to a total halt during the last 6-7 years and they're reaching the limits with their memory density.
So no, they're not going to be cramming more information onto fewer platters in the future.
Besides SSD already greatly surpassed HDD in this regard around January.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3030642/data-storage/flash-memorys-density-surpasses-hard-drives-for-first-time.html
>This year, Micron revealed it had demonstrated areal densities in its laboratories of up to 2.77Tbpsi for its 3D NAND. That compares with the densest HDDs of about 1.3Tbpsi.
That's a pretty big difference.
I get that people do like their proven products that they're using, but fucking hell you're defending a quickly dying technology here.
It's like saying "Yeeah the tape drive is never going to be obsolete, fuck these HDD things"
Sure the tape drives still exist, but they've been more or less useless for normal consumers for quite some time.
HDD will suffer the same fate very quickly.
Companies that don't enter the SSD market will suffer the same fate Kodak suffered by not getting heavily into digital cameras.
Juts a quick reminder that my samsung HDD is around 9 yo already and never had a problem
>>54071253
>It's like saying "Yeeah the tape drive is never going to be obsolete, fuck these HDD things"
That's probably a poor analogy, given tapes are still around and refusing to become obsolete.
>>54067500
You put your OS on your SSD, as well as your programs. Also - make sure your pagefile is set to a static size and on a drive that is of the same speed (if not the SSD which stores the OS already) as the SSD containing your OS.
You put your data (documents, videos, etc) on your regular HDDs (hopefully you're not dumb enough to use seagate).
Good SSDs like the Samsung 850 pro can have like 10GB written per day for years and still work fine.
If the SSD breaks, then guess what? Your data is still fine, you just have to reinstall the OS and the programs. If you really want to get careful, make complete backups of your system and store them on other (i.e. your data HDD), that way you can put the image directly onto an SSD of the same type and get right back to using your system.
>>54069884
>>54070115
>Unironically keeping important files on single drive regardless of it is a SSD or HDD and not having backups
>>54069934
Deals like this happen all the time. Pay attention to practically any deal website ever.
>>54070115
>This.
>The data on a failed HDD can be recovered. If you're a professional photographer or you have other files you don't want to lose, SSD is not an option.
You're an idiot. Data on a failed disk drive will take thousands, sometimes tens of thousands to recover.
Data on a failed SSD takes zero dollars to recover.
Also, if your data is important, it doesn't matter what medium you use; you should always back that shit up.
>>54071507
>Juts a quick reminder that my samsung HDD is around 9 yo already and never had a problem
You're an idiot. I have a Seagate hard drive from the 90's that still works. Big deal.
Likewise, I have an SSD from early 2010 that still works (well over 90% left on the write wear as well).
Anecdotal evidence proves nothing.
>>54070567
35TB written isn't even a lot. My SSD just turned 4 years ago and I'm at 140TB written.
>I'd prefer not to lose my data to spontaneous NAND failure.
>but I completely trust this device with moving parts that will eventually fail
>tfw just bought an 850 EVO 500GB
>840 PRO 128GB still going stong
I dunno what to get to my mini itx build:
WD Re(Durability) 7200 rpm, 128MB cache 1 TB
- 113 usd
or
Samsung evo 850 - 250 gb
105 usd
or the least desired option:
seagate SSHD 7200 rpm 64MB cache with MLC - 8GB cache. 1 TB
- 88 usd.
I don't play games, just programming and browsing web.
>>54072237
>i trust new, glitchy, garbage technology over solid, proven technology
Millennial thinking in a nutshell.
>>54067918
> fragile metal
Ha, you're fucking retarded.
So far I have replaced 4 hdds with ssds in all my tech, poorfags on suicide watch
>>54072347
>NAND, invented in the 80s
>New Technology
Wew lad
>>54067500
>get free 256GB 3gbps drive in a parts dump
guess what im going to sell on ebay
>>54071816
He never said they were obsolete, "only more or less useless for normal consumers."
>>54071816
Niche markets
>>54072390
>invented in the 80s
>was shit back then and no one used them
wew lol
>>54072347
I don't trust any media to be the one and only place to store important data.
Every disk will fail at some point, whether flash or HDD or tape or optical, and even outside of that, there's hundreds of ways that user error, software error, malware, or hardware issues unrelated to the disk can damage data.
>>54072462
NAND wasn't shit, it was just expensive. Cheap NAND has been used in consumer shit for 20 years.
>>54072319
Those seem overpriced as fuck.
You guys are going to hate me for linking to reddit but just wait for a deal
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/
>>54067500
>he doesn't back up his data daily
It's like you want to lose it all.
>>54072528
>https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/
Not everyone is from America you know.
>>54072697
No shit, but the majority of the people here are.
>mfw build a NAS using 3x 960GB Ultra IIs on a passively cooled ITX board powered by a DC connector
You should try it. It's completely silent and draws less power than a Core M laptop.
>>54072697
I'm not either, I just pay for international shipping AND you used usd in your question lmao.
>>54072736
>caring about noise and pennies worth of electricity
>not having a server closet or basement
Powerful server master race.
>>54070676
You're wrong. You don't understand the logistics of flash memory manufacturing and that's why you think HDDs will always be less expensive than SSDs. Flash memory is manufactured using the same wafer technology as any other micro chip. That means that every time the big chip designers move on to a smaller node, most of the equipment and facilities for the node they were previously on become available for purposes such as flash memory. For that reason, SSDs haven't even come close to hitting the lowest price and highest densities we'll see (and Samsung already has 15TB SSDs, where are the 15TB HDDs?) and it's why $/GB for SSDs has plummeted far faster than HDD ever did.
On the other hand, HDDs use mechanical tech. Improvements to this technology are far, far slower, and when they come, the issues not only take longer to iron out, they're far more difficult to detect, as getting accurate results for the reliability of a mechanical drive could take weeks, whereas the same testing for an SSD could be done in minutes. That's to make no mention of materials costs, which are higher in HDDs, design costs, which are higher in HDDs, and final assembly costs, which are higher in HDDs.
HDDs are at a disadvantage at every turn in terms of how efficiently they can be manufactured and how large the capacity can scale to. Only a luddite would take the position that HDDs will always be cheaper.
(and for the record, mag tape is a terrible comparison because magnetic tape is hilariously cheap to manufacture as it doesn't require anywhere near the precision that a HDD does to manufacture)
>>54072878
It's an Avoton C2750 8-core on an ASRock mITX board. A bit overkill for regular multi-system back-ups and media streaming, but I couldn't resist trying to build a low-power, fanless NAS for the sake of it. Can't wait to put it all together.
>>54072959
>C2750
How is it? I was thinking about using that CPU for my VM server
>>54072997
>Can't wait to put it all together
>>54073038
Shit, didn't read past the CPU
>>54072959
Mine's an ASRock X58 ATX board with a first-gen i7 and 16GB of RAM. It's mostly for storage and virtual servers.
Some day I'll replace it with a dual socket EATX board, a pair of 4 or 6 core xeons, and maybe 96GB of RAM, once all that gets cheap enough on ebay.
>>54067500
I haven't bought one yet. Mainly because I'm cheap. I really only buy stuff once my old stuff breaks. I was still using a CRT monitor up until last year, in fact.
SAGE BAIT THREAD SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGEAASSEGAGASGEGSGAGEG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVhyrh_lWWg
>THEY FELL FOR THE NAND SSD MEME
>>54073069
>using high-TDP CPU with non-ECC RAM for a machine that will be always-on for months at a time
Unless electricity is really cheap in your area, I'd advise against that. My VNC server is a simple i3-4130T on a C222 chipset motherboard that barely draws more than 100W when at full load.
>>54067788
> not knowing that you can't actually read the data after a reboot from a long term read write stress test
>>54072042
Nope
>>54067984
It's almost never spontaneous, and enterprise grade HDDs are way cheaper than SLC enterprise flash to this day
>>54068176
Well, Seagate's 3tb shit was pretty bad too, but I always try to avoid odd numbered capacities anyways because autism
They do have some dank SMART data that doesn't sugar coat it like other manufacturers do
>>54070342
You aren't a shill, because even a shill wouldn't spew out such garbage numbers and guarantees. 300TB is pitiful, call me when SSDs can handle being a cache drive without the assumption that it's going to shit itself in just a few years
>>54070426
Laptops a shit if they don't come with a power-off g-force feature for mechanical drives, SSDs are just a cost and power consumption reduction for them.
For desktops, my preferred method of preventing shock damage is to not drop my case onto the floor while it's turned on.
This isn't hard guys, all of the FUD in this thread is what makes people think that SSDs are a meme. For a home user who wants to FAST and also not loose data
STEP 1
BUY FAST DRIVE CONFIG IN YOUR PREFERRED ARRAY/CAPACITY
STEP 2
BUY SLOW POTATO BACKUP, SCHEDULE BACKUP TIMES
That's it, you're done. Replace drives as needed. It doesn't matter if SSDs have garbage reliability. If you prepare for failure regardless, it takes a lot of stress out of your life for a few dollars more.
>>54073095
If you're going to get an SSD, at least get one that doesn't have a Sand Force controller before you complain about the sustained read/writes
>>54069533
He means that the production methods for HDDs are much more mature than those of SSDs, and thus they can make more for less money. It's not hard.
>>54073127
It's cheap enough that my server only adds a few dollars a month to the electric bill.
Hopefully the cheap natural gas will keep flowing out of the fracking wells and I won't have to buy new low-power hardware.
>>54071129
I had to buy a second ssd for my laptop. HDDs as primary drives are unacceptable.
That being said, I still have 9 hdds for storage.
>>54067500
I went with an ssd for my new build and will never go back. Important shit is backed up on externals.
>>54073095
75 usd for 250 gb 850 evo and you get this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woYe0Emo6n8
Close to 1 gb/s write.
So that's a good deal, when will optane ssd's release?
>>54073465
Invest in some ECC RAM if you're running 24/7. They really do make the difference in sustaining your uptime.
>>54070342
BX200 is shit
BX100 >>>>> BX200
>>54067500
>SSD
>MEME
I don't care for OS and game file drives, otherwise SSDs are too expensive with no advantages compared to hoarder terabyte drives.
>>54070342
Why I buy the Samsung Pro. I'll never reach 2.5 PB in this lifecycle and will buy a new one before.
SATA3 is pretty slow compared to newer technologies
>>54067850
This is true. Just look at records and cds.
>>54073127
100w is a lot.
m xenon e3 with 23 gigs of ram 4 hard drives pulls 60w
>>54075619
You might be right there. A 4130T draws no more than 45W and the HDDs I do have only draw ~10W each. I'm going off the pcpartpicker estimates, though.
>>54067850
>An SSD will never match an HDD on price per GB.
that completely depends on the market. if companies focus more on solid state and instead of hard drives as a medium then their prices will stagnate while SSD will keep getting cheaper due to improved facilities, assembly, and R&D. A lot of big data centers are already moving to SSD. For example, AWS supports SSD backed instances that are a hell of a lot faster.
M.2 PCIe SSD here. Shit's cash. Store anything that needs to be archived on my HDDs though. It's basically an OS and caching drive.
>SSD
>HDD
>not just using the Cloud
>>54070168
>implying boot speed is the only difference with an SSD
What about the fact that EVERYTHING is faster?
What about noise?
Reliability when it comes to physical stress?
Heat?
The fact that if you're using a Windows laptop, 100% disk usage will fuck you over and there is nothing you can do about it apart from swapping to an SSD.
Piss off, mate.
>>54077116
>the cloud
>it uses 'vapor' drives
>>54075983
I jelly as shit. Been thinking about getting a new mobile just for m.2
I back up my data in a 2 tb drive but my ssd has been good for a while now.
>>54067500
Failed sectors on a spinning disk.
>Incorrect data writes
>Failed sectors
>Spontaneous disk failures.
Get the fuck out of here you uneducated black cunt.
>>54067500
May as well throw in my 2 cents.
So I was a neet for, I dunno, like 4 years, then I was forced to get a job or get kicked out. After I had 4 paychecks I had around $1200 and I dumped it into a good pc for once in my life. I was lucky and got a gtx970 from a friend at work who wanted to upgrade so he could do VR. And the rest I just bought from newegg on his recommendation.
I got a 256 gb SSD for $80. I wish I had just waited another week and gotten a 1TB for $300. I couldn't tell you the speed difference between my SSD and HDD because I haven't put them to the test yet. I just have my big games on the SSD and the shitty $10 games on the HDD along with my other crap.
But I do know that holding out on yourself just makes you feel like shit in the end. If you want it, make sure you get enough of it. Just close your eyes and go somewhere else in your mind for a week, grind it out, and get the good stuff.
At the very least, a $100 toy isn't THAT expensive to see for yourself. It's all about perspective. You can blow that much on shitty fast food in like 2 weeks, or a night at the bar if you're an idiot.
tl;dr. Newfag likes his SSD, wishes he got more.
>>54067500
kek. The amount of bait in this thread.
I only have one small 120gb SSD
and on segate 3 tb Its recent one too so no dead hdd meme.
I have far too much data for one SSD
the only SSD that capable to store all my data is the samsung 3tb ssd
fuck paying 2 grand for a SSD
high capacity don't really exist with otrher brands and there is no choice and buying 3 1tb drives doesn't save me power i also have to folk over 2 grand
yeah nah.
>>54070168
>windows
no wonder you're a colossal fucking retard
>spontaneous NAND failure
what is this meme? SSDs are shit because of the hard write limit
I don't keep very important data in my own computer but if a SSD failure makes my memes and /soc/ trap collection disappear I might be prone to shooting up the sandisk / samsung / ocz headquarters so I'll always get a slower SATAIII 500gb/1tb 7200RPM hard drive from a reliable company like toshiba
I haven't used a hard drive for my OS since 2010. I bought before the meme even existed.
>>54067500
Fell for the SSD meme here.
Still not a single issue after years of using it.
Best meme I ever fell for.
>>54072231
How can you check total written amount?
I've already written 4 TB to my 850 Pro and now it's slower than my hard drive, nice expensive temporary speed boost
I have 2 questions:
Firstly, once in a week I'm compiling some larger stuff (inkscape, mpv, ncmpcpp). Would I be killing an SSD with this too much?
Secondly, is having hardware encryption very useful or is LUKS fine (I have AES NI)?
I'm about to pull the trigger on Crucial BX100.
>>54082318
Proof please.
>>54070168
My patch times with SSD is comparable to being about 3 times faster than hdds, I'm playing my games before my friends are even halfway through patching. Patching can take 3 to 9 min. That's a lot of time in 4 years.
Anyone still holding strong and haven't fallen for the spicy food meme yet?
I'd prefer not to lose my life to spontaneous combustion.
>>54067500
>using SSDs as storage devices for important data
>not having some sort of redundancy for your important data
>not having backups too
>>54082318
I've written 50TB on my 840 evo and it's not slowing down at all.
So calling bullshit on that one.
Run some benchmarks and post them here.
>>54070676
>We don't know for sure whether the sun has inexplicably stopped the fusion process in the last 8 minutes and we're just waiting for that news to reach us at the speed of light
>/r/iamverysmart
When are the next gen Intel hard drives coming out?
Still using HDDs here. I like having the ability to securely wipe individual files and cache and free space. afaik, that's impossible to do with SSD (unless you wipe the entire drive / security key).
Every time I see people getting angry at SSDs on 4chan, I think about this radio interview this woman did with some guy who was promoting SSDs, and she asked if they'll allow her to download apps faster on her phone.
He was speechless for a few seconds.
>>54067886
>12gb ram
reee
>>54068092
senpaitachi = f a m s
is c u c k still censored? cuck
>>54067500
>hurr durr ssd is dum cuz mechanical drives don't break
>using inferior technology that is slower and no more reliable
Why am I even responding to a bait thread.
>>54070115
>If you're a professional photographer or you have other files you don't want to lose, SSD is not an option.
If your data is actually IMPORTANT, you have two backups, at least one of which is off-site.
>>54085884
this
i'm taking shitloads of photos in RAW, simple external hdd as a backup does the trick
>>54067500
I dont need a SSD i have
>Pic related
>>54085942
WHAT???
I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER HOW FUCKING LOUD MY HARD DRIVES ARE!!!
>>54085942
are access times even remotely close to ssd access times?
actually, is any important performance parameter even remotely close to ssd ones?
>>54085980
they die as fast
>>54085942
Enjoy the 5th of a SSD speed while having to deal with tremendous noise 24/7.
>>54085980
IDK, i bought the drive when you still needed to win the lottery to afford a SSD and i haven't had any issues at all
SSDs are probably the best upgrade I've done to my PC in the recent years. It had an actual very noticeable effect on performance on the PC in general rather than just allowing me to play some game on 1440p instead of 1080p that I wouldn't be able to tell the difference of anyway.
>>54085980
No. The velocirptor and other fast HDDs are still like twice as slow as SSDs in bulk read/write and like ten times or more slower at random access.
>>54085942
I had one. Noise is bad but the heat. WTF. Sold them and got crucial M500 480gb.
Well, I got one in an old elitebook with win7. It's only to play some LoL and for PowerPoint. At no point in its use I'd have had any data loss in case it died. I plan to keep it that way.
>lose my data to spontaneous NAND failure.
that almost never happens unless you do something silly to the flash firmware.
Plus if you burn out all of the flash it just makes your drive read only.
I actually just caved in and got an 850 Pro. So worth it! But the storage space is shit.
>swapped x220 mechanical hdd for budget samsung 650
>tfw it runs as smoothly as my desktop computer now
hdd truly is the worst bottleneck modern computers have
>>54086733
>2TB is small
Stop hoarding anime then
>>54086778
I have a 256gb... why tf would you assume I would spend over $700 on a solid state
>>54067500
You are an idiot buddy. I guess you'd prefer to lose your data to a spontaneous hard drive crash, since it sounds like you don't have a backup.
>>54087014
not OP but in my experience I've never had an RPM hard drive crash and die instantly but it slowly descent into death (the infamous 'click of death'). When comparing this crash to an SSD crash you still have some time to backup before the inevitable, so to be fair HDDs have the advantage there.
My 4 years old corsair just broke, meme confirmed
>>54087079
In my experience, I've never had an SSD fail ever, period. Anyway, hard drives definitely do fail suddenly sometimes.
>>54087181
I think the cheaper SSDs fail, usually the ones that are bundled free with newegg deals or something. But you're right, they don't fail nearly as much as HDDs, I just haven't had an HDD spontaneously kill itself yet
>>54086248
>Noise is bad but the heat. WTF.
Never had any issues with heat, but my case has a separate bay for 2.5 inch drives.
Ssd is great tho.
>>54067500
Don't keep your data on your SSD then, idiot. Only programs and your OS.
Smh desu senpai
>>54070168
It's not just boot time, anon.
It's getting rid of that 10 minutes or so after logging in where everything is slow as shit.
It's making shit like Word or Eclipse start up in mere seconds.
It's making search actually find shit in seconds.
It's making rebooting utterly painless, keeping your system faster overall.
It's improving your battery life if it's a laptop.
>>54070715
Okay, why not write server logs and shit to a regular hard drive where accessing them instantly isn't as important?
I'm going to fall for the SSD meme the next time I see a good deal on a 256GB drive. Or I might just go 120/128. I dunno yet.
My big concern right now is reliability. I'm booting off a five year old Western Digital and I have a brand new 2TB Seagate for storage. I don't really trust either of them. I've backed up the shit I absolutely cannot afford to lose but there are things - like my porn collection - that I would hate to lose.
The speed boost from the SSD will just be a bonus (especially with Adobe shit). The peace of mind will be worth the higher price.
>>54087736
>>
Then RAID 1 or something?
>>54087771
RAID 1 isn't backup. If you get a virus that corrupts or if you accidentally delete, you're still fucked.
>>54082318
Do you have TRIM enabled?
>>54087736
This this good enough for you?
/csg/ already got some and their speeds are just below the Samsung 850 EVO
>>54087806
And here is the crystal mark test.
>>54082318
>lying to keep a meme going
fuck off seagate shill
>>54087823
$57.65 for 240GB if you're cheap.
>>54067500
I stand with you anon. We can't listen to the people who are desperately trying to justify their poor decisions.
>>54087806
>Recommending a no-name drive from a shit company on a thread specifically about SSD reliability.
Good call faggot.
>>54087906
KingDians are actually known to be better than best buy tier shit like PNY or Kingston.
Its not samsung quality, but for that price...
>>54087895
I had a 128MB USB drive that still worked until I forgot it plugged on a public PC.
>>54087906
Because they make their own NAND chips right? I mean they don't get it from the small list of manufacturers that everyone else use, right?
>>54087960
I don't get your point, so I don't even know how to argue, but you seem to be working from some bad assumptions.
1. A NAND chip does not make an SSD.
>>54079808
>SSDs are shit because of the hard write limit
Well if you plan to keep using the same SSD for 10 years, that might be a problem.
>>54087960
NAND is spooky unreliable witchcraft. Id rather keep my files on a sensitive mirror'd disk spinning at 7200 rpm assembled by a child in Taiwan. HDD's never fail because mine hasnt yet and even though you can supposedly pull data off a failed SSD I am convinced that it isnt safe for even my memes. If my high tech 8 year old drive fails I can always just pay a few thousand in data recovery, ez.
HDD > SSD
>>54088112
I've used HDDs for over 10 years consistently. NEVER ANY FUCKING PROBLEMS.
There goes you nukids and your "lol moving parts are unreliable" bullshit claims.
>>54088195
Daily usage for 10 years? that sounds like bullshit and I refuse to believe it, if you only used them for storage then yeah that's possible.
>>54088089
Hes saying the shit that matters is from the same places
Intel uses micron NND flash chips
>1. A NAND chip does not make an SSD.
Its a key component, the fuck are you on about?
>>54088195
Sometimes an image or two randomly disappear from my /b/ folder. It's been happening since 2006 and not just on one hdd.
>>54088089
He's implying that most SSDs are the same shit. It's true. Only Crucial(Micron), Samsung and Toshiba make their own controllers and NAND.
Every other company buys nand and controllers from other companies.
That no-name Kingdian uses a SMI controller and nand from one of the big manufacturers and is in no way worse than a drive from Kingston.
>>54088224
Yes, kid, daily fucking usage. Jesus fuck, today's children are so fucking brainwashed into believing bullshit that they actually believe good, reliable technology is shit because SSD viral marketing shills told them so.
For fuck's sake.
>>54088224
are you young? Hitachi drives back in the day still work nowadays, ashame they're not consumer-based anymore. I even have an old IDE hard drive that's loud as hell running in my PS2, still working after all these years.
>>54087960
>I had a flash drive once
Okay?
>>54088195
muh anecdotes
theres nothing wrong with shitting on the beach either but some of us like embracing new improvements to technology, like toilets
>>54088266
im with this guy, fuck new things
theres nothing wrong with my 10 year old imac, WHY WOULD I EVER WANT ANYTHING OBJECTIVELY BETTER WHEN THIS JUS WERKS?
>>54088281
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over all the servers I maintain with very low HDD failure rates.
Meanwhile so many SSD desktop failures.
LOL.
>>54088361
How much does Seagate and WD pay you?
>>54088361
>all the servers I maintain with very low HDD failure rates
You don't maintain any servers.
>>54067500
Anyone still holding strong and haven't fallen for the HDD meme yet?
I'd prefer not to lose my data to spontaneous disk failure.
>>54067500
Anyone still holding strong and haven't fallen for the backups meme yet?
I'd prefer not to lose my money due to storing useless drivel.
>>54088361
>Meanwhile so many SSD desktop failures.
LOL.
>>54067500
Anyone still holding strong and haven't fallen for the downloading meme yet?
I'd prefer not to lose my data due to storing stuff locally.
>>54088256
Eh. You and he have done a poor job of making your point. I disagree.
NAND + Controller + Controller firmware + firmware updates + QC are some of the important parts. You could even make an argument that the PCB and PCB design are important.
Anyway, Intel makes their own controllers and NAND as well. Personally I wouldn't buy a drive from anyone but Intel or Samsung.
Storage means you are a botnet, i just have a ramdisk and a box of SD cards that I shred after use and recompile arch every time i want to shitpost on /g/ about how i hate things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ
>>54088465
>Intel makes their own NAND as well.
They partnered with Micron and formed Imflash.
Anything made by micron is exactly the same.
>>54088465
Good goy, brand is important, it doesn't matter if it's exactly the same controller, firmware provided by the controller manufacturer and nand provided by the same companies.
>>54088704
I guess you weren't around for the OCZ firmware update debacle. You think that each mfr implements their PCB the same way, doesn't do any firmware customization, and that the same firmware updates can be installed the same way in each implementation? You think that JMicron (or whoever), gives a shit about providing firmware updates to the companies that bought their controller 3 years ago? Best bet for support and ongoing issue fixes is to buy your SSD from the company that MAKES the controller and has the engineers who fully understand it IN HOUSE.
>>54067500
i like SSD for the main harddrive for installing and running my Linux OS, i still keep hardrives with platters for external storage devices
7200 RPM magic spinning metal disc master race reporting in
>>54088932
how is that random seek time working out for you
>>54067500
I fell for it, got a Samsung EVO 850 500GB and can say its totally worth it. I mean I have HDD's for my data but as for as OS and applications/games go, SSD's are the only way to go.
If I get an SSD, can I just dd data from my hard drive to this new SSD?
Is ext4 fine?
>>54088961
Not very good desu.
>>54067500
I fell for it and the SSD gave me a soft landing, the HDD would've killed me.
SSD saved me life senpai.
>>54067500
So you prefer to lose your data to a spontaneous platter failure?
SSD drives are the future and have been for years. Very soon SSD will even have higher capacities for consumer grade drives. All the advantages of normal HDDs will be wiped out soon.
>>54089592
What is your definition of 'very soon'? Because being able to purchase a 6TB ssd for $250 is not going to happen in that time frame.
>>54088195
>implying 100 MB HDDs have any place in 2016
>>54067500
i fell for it a few months ago.
$34 for 120GB sandisk.
lightroom starts faster.
everything else, well i never close them.
>>54067500
>how do i into backups data
>>54067751
Why would you back up a raid 1? It's already 2 copies?
>>54089592
So you prefer to lose your data to a spontaneous SSD glitch?
Because that happens way too much with SSDs. They don't die, but you lose the fucking data on them.
They're garbage.
>literally the only disadvantage is $/GB
>it's better in every other way
>it's actually not that more expensive now
poorfags gonna poorfag
>>54089837
There's this thing called a backup
>>54089886
OMG REALLY THERES THIS THING CALLED A BACKUP FOR HDDS TOO
WOW ANON YOU'RE SO FUCKING SMART
*sigh*
NOT AT ALL RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION YOU SHITLORD. We're not discussing failure solutions, we're discussing how SSDs are NOT less fault-prone than HDDs, and since HDDs are cheaper per GB AND not really that much faster than HDDs in real world fucking performance, there's zero use for them.
No, they're not that much faster. They are slightly, but not significantly enough to make them worth it.
No, your SSD benchmarks are not AT ALL indicative of real world performance.
No, that one isn't either.
No.
Just... fucking... no.
>>54070847
you've said nothing. your third paragraph has no added value to the discussion, you're just spewing bullshit.
by your logic, a brand new 1940s Buick should be cheaper than Ford Fiesta. you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
go fuck yourself and the high horse you rode in you faggot.
>>54089951
>implying it isn't a shit ton faster
Spoken like someone who has never used an SSD or used a shitty one.
Maybe 2 years ago this meme thread would have been valid.
Prices have dropped enough SSDs aren't a meme.
>>54072043
/thread
>>54087607
>falling for the reboot meme
>>54090256
For some things you just have to reboot. Updates, drivers, whatever
>>54089951
>AND not really that much faster than HDDs in real world fucking performance
[citation needed]
You don't really believe this, do you?
>>54088361
>so many SSD desktop failures
...where?
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