https://github.com/vim/vim/blob/master/runtime/doc/version8.txt
NeoVim cucks on suicide watch!
>Asynchronous I/O support, channels
>JSON support
>GTK+ 3 support
Why would I use anything other than Sublime Text?
>>54016759
If you like your retarded keybindings just use GNU Emacs with evil-mode.
>>54016793
Non-free garbage.
>>54016808
Who cares?
I can't understand how some people (mostly NEETs, I assume) keep using shitty terminal programs like Vim instead of a modern text editor. It's like the Arch Linux of text editors.
>>54016759
>NeoVim cucks on suicide watch!
Sure, just call me back when they implement their stuff right and replace VimScript.
Also
>JSON support
>GTK3 support
Whoohoo, it's fucking nothing.
>>54016840
Lol this
>>54016759
Massive damage control from Molenaar.
>>54016828
It's like there is a correlation, using Arch Linux with Vim.
>>54016828
it's because they don't really work for a living
>Not a modern text editor that's hackable to the core™ with Vim Modal control
Productive and professional programmers use Sublime Text or Atom, not this garbage.
>>54016995
Productive and professional programmers use Visual Studio
>>54016828
You've either never programmed or never used vim
>>54017008
You're right
My time is valuable enough that dicking around with a text editors from the 80s wouldn't be productive
>>54016759
NeoVim cuck here! Back to normal Vim.
>>54016995
kek. A lot of linux devs use Vim or Emacs
i am fine with notepad++
>>54017351
This is the only other option. Only cucks use atom or sublime shit
>>54017250
>browsing 4chan
>his time is valuable
Pick one
>>54017416
Stuff's compiling
Vim is a meme right? At best it's just shit unemployed NEETs use on /g/ and have the usual superiority complex because it's needlessly antiquated and convoluted, right?
>>54017435
>because it's needlessly antiquated and convoluted
Just like Linux
>he uses actual VIM unironically
>he doesn't know about spacemacs
>>54016759
>The support for MS-DOS has been removed.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO USE MY COMPUTER NOW?
FUCKING DROPPED
>>54017435
No. I actually use gVim on Windows at work for some quick hacking
>>54017487
>some quick hacking
r u the hacker 4chan
>>54016911
https://github.com/martanne/vis
>>54017494
do you even know what hacking means?
https://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html
retard
>>54016828
Don't compare arch with vim
A lot of oldfag EEs and devs use vim
Only NEET fag autists use arch
>>54017484
This. Seriously, now that neovim is a thing, Moolenar should realize that vim needs to fill a new niche in order to stay even slightly relevant, namely the one of being compatible with a shitton of mostly obsolete operating systems used by mostly obsolete people. So anyone doing work that is actually important uses Neovim, and others use vim. BOTH editors breaking is just retarded.
It's also retarded when he tries to mimic Neovim's features, since there is no doubt which project has the better developers. Moving Vim into a direction where it's just a shittier version of Neovim will non-doubtedly make it more irrelevant.
>>54017585
>stallman
Nah, I'd rather use the dictonary definition over the ramblings of a mad man
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hacker
> a person who secretly gets access to a computer system in order to get information, cause damage, etc. : a person who hacks into a computer system
>>54017612
Stallman's definition was common vernacular around MIT during the 60's, and some of those guys were more successful and sane than Stallman. So, in this case, it wouldn't hurt to use Stallman's definition.
>>54017612
>>54017627
Do you also like lynching niggers, considering you like the 60s so much
>>54017652
Well, who doesn't?
>>54017652
>implying there exists a sane person who doesn't
>>54017420
Yeah sure dude
>>54017602
/thread
/g/ is dead, loook at these fucking retards trashing Vim and GNU/Linux. Obviously have never used vim in a real environment
>>54017470
> Even more bloat on a bloated editor
Nah, Spacemacs is shit.
>>54018003
I have, it was shit and crashed.
Will it still choke on long lines with syntax highlighting on?
>>54018028
>aka is it still not using ropes
>>54018038
you should use a rope
and hang yourself
>>54017390
atom is for cucks sublime isnt
>>54018050
kek
>>54018026
Vim can do some crazy stuff, Neovim is even better though
>>54018012
> bloat
It's not 80s anymore, everybody have spare 100Mb on disk and in RAM.
why would I ever use vim for anything except on servers where there is no GUI so no better editors to modify config files?
Do people seriously use that crap while programming? You realize you can do the same stuff with GUI editors most of the time even faster? Oh I forgot you wouldnt look as cool to your autismo friends.
>>54018099
I don't even use Vim over CLI
I prefer nano, since I don't need to spend 4 years lerning it to properly use it
>>54018095
IT CAN LITERALLY EDIT TEXT FILES !!
THERE IS NOTHING "CRAZY" about editing text files ! You can do all the advanced stuff needed while programming in IDEs for a decade unless you are using something from the 80s.
>>54018095
>Vim can do some crazy stuff
I'd rather have a working text editor, though.
>>54018099
>I am not efficient with Vim
>Therefore nobody is efficient with Vim
Good one, idiot.
>>54016911
Emacs?
>>54017470
My negro
kek I'm lauging at these neocucks in denial, maybe you should donate some more to tarruda so he can finally finish that Lua/Vimscript abomination lmao
>>54018158
>horizontal split on a widescreen monitor
reeeee
>>54016995
>>54017004
SPACEMACS
>>54017927
Kys
>>54018118
>>54018123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD9aFIvlQYs&nohtml5=False
Fucking neo/g/ windows kids, do some fucking research
>>54018124
efficient with what? Bragging about knowing some sw for klingons with manual bigger than the whole OSI model specification for hardware manufacturers?
Do you fuck up your code so hard nonstop that you have to do all those advanced edits (I can do without learning anything in any modern IDE) daily or what? Or do you modify characters in a vertical line where there is x replace with y unless there is z after the x as a hobby or ?? Please tell me your daily use cases for using vim that is not editing config files that cant be done in any modern IDE / GUI text editor without any prior knowledge of them or its 5 sec search away.
>>54018222
>I am too lazy to learn something
>Therefore nobody should learn that thing
Good one, idiot.
>>54018217
>being that easy to impress
>>54018217
"So if I want to like delete 5 lines I can hit eeeh...eeeeeh (shit what was it?) DJ5 and its gonna delete 5 lines down! Or if I wanna move to line 6 or something like that or you know move up 6 lines i can just say 6K and boom! I am ready to go. THIS IS AMAZING!"
yea amazing autism
>>54018178
Normal workflow.
Shoutout to Kivy framework.
>>54018222
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy84TYvXJbk
You are free to write a program to do this for you if you think that typing a few letters with vim is too much work for you.
>>54018252
but the essential features in vim is present in other editors.
I use vim for all my terminal editing, but I often switch to a graphical editor when I have to do something more advanced as it is easier to google what extension I should add, and how to configure it so I can do the same thing.
I mean vim is fine, but it is a god damn timesink
>>54018359
i just see more autism and nothing that can be used to do actual work
>how to copy text on vim
>32 page guide
>how to copy text on any GUI editor
>select text and ctrl+c
>>54018445
>I don't know the vim commands
>Therefore nobody knows the vim commands
>>54018461
This is where vim really falls apart. Some parts of it look neat, but the barrier to entry to do some of the simplest shit is just so pointlessly confusing it's no wonder only autistic freaks bother with it.
>>54018521
Three words: vimtutor
>>54018461
>>54018521
>Select text
>Middle click
Wow, so hard.
Even then, the fucking vim copy commands aren't even hard. You can learn them in like 10 minutes.
>>54018546
>here spend 14 days learning how to copy and paste text using this helpful program
>>54018558
I thought you autists never used the mouse
>>54018566
Confirmed for never using it.
>>54018558
>vim copy commands
>takes 10 minutes to learn
You're just proving our point lmao
>>54018604
You're right, I have better things to do
>>54018605
You seriously don't have a few minutes to spare learn how to use a program, which you could possibly spend hundreds of hours using in the future?
>>54018461
>>54018558
>>54018605
>10 minutes
1. select text (e.g. with ‘v’)
2. yank text (‘y’)
3. go somewhere else and paste text (‘p’)
There, took me a few seconds.
>>54018450
>converting arbitrary file formats to JSON with only a few keys is not usable for actual work
I suggest you actually find work first, kiddo.
>>54018627
I was also talking about shit like yy, yw, etc. as well, and also a few minutes to test it out.
>>54017317
>NeoVim cuck here! Back to normal Vim.
Why would you go back?
>>54018648
Well these are all things that normal GUI programs can't do, so it's not exactly fair to put it in a time comparison against normal GUI programs.
In general, it takes maybe 5 minutes in total to learn how to use vim to the same degree of efficiency as you can in any old shitty GUI text editor.
But that's using vim (and yourself) to 5% of its potential.
>>54018494
no thanks I will keep using industry wide standards instead of having to feel like a special snowflake
there are thousands of shortcuts that are universal across all text editing programs, that will literally spawn the matrix screensaver from hell in vim. And I dont like wasting my time to learn the same 1000 shortcuts only to look more edgy.
>>54018697
>industry wide standards
The only de-facto standard text editors I've seen being used by professional, paid programmers are vim and emacs.
>>54018697
Could you possibly have a worse case of baby duck syndrome.
>industry wide standards
>mfw
>>54018622
Why? I have never found myself in a situation where I couldnt do something in my IDEs that I wish I was able to do (and maybe vim can do? Dont think so it would have to be something really obscure).
>>54018634
u tarded? Using a voice to do it is not usable for actual work. Learn to read, something you should be able to do since you spend your free time staring at text in vim. I can convert xml to json in every IDE I checked just now its a 5 second search away with no prior knowledge about the feature in all of them.
>>54018774
>Why? I have never found myself in a situation where I couldnt do something in my IDEs that I wish I was able to do
Google the ‘blub paradox’.
>>54018784
I enjoy reading Paul Graham essays, his stuff first got me to actually start reading again desu
>>54018717
>I've seen being used by professional, paid programmers are vim and emacs.
have you seen them IRL or on obscure linux forums, /g/ or bragging on plebbit ? Its just a vocal minority for all I know and have seen in my professional life.
I mean I use vim, my colleagues use vim, but only to do quick edits where there is no GUI installed. I dont think that counts and if you saw me you would prolly count me in.
>>54018222
>Please tell me your daily use cases for using vim that is not editing simple config files that cant be done in any modern IDE / GUI text editor without any prior knowledge of them or its 5 sec search away.
still waiting for an answer instead of "hurr yur stupid cant learn 1000 commands"
>>54018774
>>54018784
The best way to describe it would be something like this:
Develop for several years in your favorite feature-rich IDE.
Then close the IDE, switch over to notepad.exe and try to build a 1-million SLOC program using only notepad.
This is what it feels like for a vim user to move to an editor less powerful than vim.
>>54018882
fair enough, decided to believe you. Stopping my shitposting now. Use what best suits you. Thread should be for vim users not for useless angry haters like me. Cya.
>>54018657
why do people think all gui editors is microsoft notepad?
Fine, jumping down 5 lines is cool, but gui editors, you just go to the specific line, not really a problem.
Take something like selecting text, copy it, move to another document and paste it.
Selecting text is about the same, with vim, you use the hjkl, with a gui editor, you use the dedicated keys.
Maybe vim is a bit slower here because you have to switch mode, but it is about the same.
Switching to another window is again an extra step.
Pasting correctly requires a plugin, and you have to accept that the hotkeys are different than other gui applications.
Snippets are cool, but they exist for gui editors as well.
Learning vim is useful for a lot of reasons, but praising it as the only good editor and all gui editors as something bad where you have to "click around" to do things.
>>54019024
See >>54018784
You are comparing vim used to 5% of its potential with GUI editors. Of course you don't understand it.
>>54019056
I was just using it as an example where both were "identical"
Graphical editors usually have a lot of features I don't think vim can get and vice versa.
I couldn't possible list everything I would expect of an editor here.
>>54019147
>I was just using it as an example where both were "identical"
They seem identical to you because you don't understand how to use vim. You think a vim user will perform the same operations as a graphical IDE user, except that the vim user will do so by pressing keys instead of clicking.
This demonstrates your inability to understand how vim users operate. We operate on higher levels of abstractions. Instead of navigating clumsily through source code, deleting text, and inserting new text; we think in terms of higher level abstractions, by performing operations on semantic structures rather than individual characters.
You are viewing vim from the wrong side of the abstraction continuum. To you it seems clumsy and weird, because all you see are the 5% that are familiar to you.
tl;dr classic blub paradox
>>54019024
>Pasting correctly requires a plugin, and you have to accept that the hotkeys are different than other gui applications.
That's funny, vim seems consistent with every other program I have on my computer, whereas IDEs that use Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V for this are being inconsistent and confusing.
(In every other program, ctrl+c means ‘interrupt’, not ‘copy’)
>>54018299
autism
>>54016759
>GTK+ 3 support
Get your GUI out of my terminal.
>>54016759
>The support for MS-DOS has been removed.
This is terrible! Preposterous! They couldn't have done that to me! I refuse to believe!
>>54017470
>literally heavier than eclipse
>>54018299
Does emacs have a video player?
>>54020495
It can use mpv via EMMS, the Emacs Multimedia System.
>>54017004
WIth the VsVim extension
>>54016828
>shitty terminal programs like Vim instead of a modern text editor.
Shit-tier bate m8. Keep up with your Wordpress web dev Pajeet.
>>54016995
