actual os comparison
>OS X
>Teaches something about computers
>>53987791
os x and linux (gnu) are pretty much the same inside, the only difference is that only osx has a good DE
>>53987698
Are your linux memes lies or just inaccuracies?
I've never had a computer that I ran Windows on that had all the drivers out of the box. I always had to go through the CDs and install them.
In Linux the only thing I've ever had not work was a graphics card that had a little pop up telling me I need the drivers and this is what you need to get them.
How do people still think Windows "just works"?
>>53987865
for me only drivers for windows i've installed additionally were GPU drivers. Same on OS X (hackintosh) and linux, really.
>>53987698
it is pretty clear that you are a homosexual
>>53987698
Very accurate. I considered OS X a meme for like 15 years, but using it is pretty productive, it has the benefits and support of a *nix system, while being easy to use. I see why google and fb use it at work, and why my company enforces it
>>53987791
>UNIX, both by genetics and by license
>uses superior microkernel design
>is open source at core
>motherfucking dtrace
>can easily extend with custom kernel modules, Xcode will literally walk you through how to create generic device drivers
>>53987865
for loonix, there are no decent drivers so unfortunately there is nothing to install.
>>53987824
That is incorrect.
>>53988069
That is correct.
>>53987698
I'd say you're pretty much spot on except for the third row on Linux. First of all, a lot of it is done by people being paid by big companies, and second, people doing it for free are likely to be better than people who get paid by AGILEing and their LOC
WINDOWS SIDE IS WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS
WINDOWS 10 CORE RUNS ON ARM
>>53988166
>>53988166
>>53988180
adapted os x runs on ARM too (iOS).
>>53988180
Mainstream linux release are NOT free as in freedom since they contain BLOBs.
Windows has good superuser access too, but idiots just run logged into an admin account all the time.
>>53988227
and because most programs require admin access
>>53987698
Made by people who know their shit, not linux?
I mean what!
This is the mount command built into bash#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <errno.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <getopt.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/mman.h>
#include <sys/stat.h>
#include <stdarg.h>
#include <libmount.h>
#include <ctype.h>
#include "nls.h"
#include "c.h"
#include "env.h"
#include "strutils.h"
#include "exitcodes.h"
#include "xalloc.h"
#include "closestream.h"
#include "canonicalize.h"
#define OPTUTILS_EXIT_CODE MOUNT_EX_USAGE
#include "optutils.h"
/*** TODO: DOCS:
*
* --options-mode={ignore,append,prepend,replace} MNT_OMODE_{IGNORE, ...}
* --options-source={fstab,mtab,disable} MNT_OMODE_{FSTAB,MTAB,NOTAB}
* --options-source-force MNT_OMODE_FORCE
*/
static int readwrite;
static int mk_exit_code(struct libmnt_context *cxt, int rc);
static void __attribute__((__noreturn__)) exit_non_root(const char *option)
{
const uid_t ruid = getuid();
const uid_t euid = geteuid();
if (ruid == 0 && euid != 0) {
/* user is root, but setuid to non-root */
if (option)
errx(MOUNT_EX_USAGE, _("only root can use \"--%s\" option "
"(effective UID is %u)"),
option, euid);
errx(MOUNT_EX_USAGE, _("only root can do that "
"(effective UID is %u)"), euid);
}
if (option)
errx(MOUNT_EX_USAGE, _("only root can use \"--%s\" option"), option);
errx(MOUNT_EX_USAGE, _("only root can do that"));
}
static void __attribute__((__noreturn__)) print_version(void)
{
const char *ver = NULL;
const char **features = NULL, **p;
mnt_get_library_version(&ver);
mnt_get_library_features(&features);
printf(_("%s from %s (libmount %s"),
program_invocation_short_name,
PACKAGE_STRING,
ver);
p = features;
while (p && *p) {
fputs(p == features ? ": " : ", ", stdout);
fputs(*p++, stdout);
}
fputs(")\n", stdout);
exit(MOUNT_EX_SUCCESS);
}
and so on. I doubt you could even contemplate the code.
>>53987698
>Price, OS X: $0
stopped reading there
>>53988244
Such as?
>>53987698
Is Win10 really that bad on the "Just werks" level?
>>53987698
>free as in freedom: yes
>nsa honeypot: yes
This seems a bit contradicting.
>OSX
>just works
So how much have you used it?
>>53987698
>Linux
>volunteers
Most of Linux kernel developers are professionals hired by big corporations like Red Hand and IBM, it's userspace/GUI developers who are mostly volunteers.
>>53988265
There is no proof that the NSA has a backdoor on linux.
Anyone who says there is would be gaining resources from social media or wikipedia.
I am sorry, but just like the facts feminists bring the table, NSA is not this super power hackers.
>>53988293
when run on apple hardware it does. really.
>>53988265
I think it means most distros come with proprietary software of some kind, making them an NSA honeypot, but GNU/Linux is itself a free operating system.
>>53988294
I know right.
He also stated they don't know what they are doing. I am sure when the read both the kernel and bash code. They need to fucking know what to do. I mean, it take a while to understand the first network socket class.
>>53988339
Then why does everyfucking thing break whenever I update the OS?
>>53988294
but people usually see the shell, not the insides.
people don't care about what's inside
example: windows 9x
WE ALL USED IT
>>53988363
No software is perfect. Understand this before you give yourself a tumor.
>>53987698
>All of them, but amd64 has like 99% marketshare
ARM has most marketshare you pleb
>>53988387
78% to be persistent.
>>53988095
Far from it.
Different kernel
Different FS
Different userspace
Proprietary
>>53988248
are you dumb?
>>53988247
gnu true:#include <config.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <sys/types.h>
#include "system.h"
/* Act like "true" by default; false.c overrides this. */
#ifndef EXIT_STATUS
# define EXIT_STATUS EXIT_SUCCESS
#endif
#if EXIT_STATUS == EXIT_SUCCESS
# define PROGRAM_NAME "true"
#else
# define PROGRAM_NAME "false"
#endif
#define AUTHORS proper_name ("Jim Meyering")
void
usage (int status)
{
printf (_("\
Usage: %s [ignored command line arguments]\n\
or: %s OPTION\n\
"),
program_name, program_name);
printf ("%s\n\n",
_(EXIT_STATUS == EXIT_SUCCESS
? N_("Exit with a status code indicating success.")
: N_("Exit with a status code indicating failure.")));
fputs (HELP_OPTION_DESCRIPTION, stdout);
fputs (VERSION_OPTION_DESCRIPTION, stdout);
printf (USAGE_BUILTIN_WARNING, PROGRAM_NAME);
emit_ancillary_info ();
exit (status);
}
int
main (int argc, char **argv)
{
/* Recognize --help or --version only if it's the only command-line
argument. */
if (argc == 2)
{
initialize_main (&argc, &argv);
set_program_name (argv[0]);
setlocale (LC_ALL, "");
bindtextdomain (PACKAGE, LOCALEDIR);
textdomain (PACKAGE);
atexit (close_stdout);
if (STREQ (argv[1], "--help"))
usage (EXIT_STATUS);
if (STREQ (argv[1], "--version"))
version_etc (stdout, PROGRAM_NAME, PACKAGE_NAME, Version, AUTHORS,
(char *) NULL);
}
exit (EXIT_STATUS);
}
OS X true:
>>53988419
Hardware exclusive, operating system is bundled in hardware revenue. You are paying for the software without displaying it in your purchase.
Do you honestly think that by giving away software for free is what apple loves to do. They want the customer to cover all costs 3 times over.
>>53988410
But you can say those differences exist between most Unix-Like OS's.
>>53987698
The third one isn't really true since there are companies pumping money into linux development
>>53988453
>when july is over osx upgrades will cost money
>>53988440
Are you saying that the linux project contains programmers which don't know what they are doing?
According to the entire kernel, they sure as hell know more then every programmer I know. Hell the network stack alone requires at least 40 expert programmers to build.
The original 1.0 kernel never had the complexity of today.
>linux has people who know what they are doing.
>>53988486
I never bothered owning anything apple, nor do I educate myself with this useless information as I will never own their machines.
I thought it was free upgrades ?
>>53988453
Linux also needs hardware to run, which surprise surprise, costs money.
>>53987698
Nice comparison
>>53988503
>Hell the network stack alone requires at least 40 expert programmers to build
and yet netflix engineers decided to go with FreeBSD, and are currently generating 1/3 of peak Internet traffic.
>OSX price 0
no
>made by people who know their shit
linux depends on distro, should be yellow
windows should be red, come on
>NSA honeypot
yes for linux? wut?
>ease of use
>just werks
again, depends on distro, should be yellow
>teaches something about computers
windows sure as hell teaches more than OS X
>has productive proprietary software
why proprietary? productive by whose use case? yours? compare specific software types
>CPU architectures supported
Linux should not be neutral. you can't have it both ways. I need those architectures. This is productive by my standards.
>package manager
last I checked windows had nothing satisfactory. brew is pretty good but it doesn't compare with Linux managers in terms of installing dev tools.
>how is it updated
Ignoring the annoyance of Windows updates, Linux has completely unified updates. Nothing can compare.
>codebase quality
How do you know that OS X is good? I actually know nothing about this. It said unknown before.
>>53987698
FIFY
>>53988527
It is. Every software upgrade is free. The office suite is free. Most creative tools are free. OS X upgrades used to cost money. Apple has stepped away from the Software as profit strategy. Their hardware has always been as expensive.
>>53988534
Dude you run linux (free forever) with a Pi3 which is $35 us.
Try fucking running OSX on that.
Hell if you are lucky, even you netbook will struggle to use OSX over any linux distro.
But if you get hardware for free off your mate, the costs are 0. However if your mate is retard, you might pay $50 for a apple pc. No on simply releases their posion apple laptops without a price.
>>53987698
pretty decent senpai
except the part that osx teaches
>>53988580
How could you know Linux isn't a honeypot? Maybe there are hundreds of little exploits like OpenSSL's heartbleed which nsa uses
>>53988604
That makes me wonder if there is a darwin port to armVwhatever.
>>53988659
It's called iOS.
>>53988653
I can ready pretty much any Oreilly book on Unix and I've done the exercises to Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment on a mac without any hickups.
>>53988546
Red Hat support?
Unix Support?
Also I think netflix may have lied to you.
>Their composite gateways are redhat linux which identities the passing gateway to route data to.
>Red hat is used for controlling data and the data is on the FreeBSD servers which is using a cloud storage configurations for pooling databases and files.
Just so happens that I work at netflix Australia as a network engineer.
>Finally, something I know about for physical proof.
My section is responsible for ensuring that the Red Hat servers stay online.
>>53988671
Stop being retarded.
>>53988655
That's not a honeypot.
Corrections:
OS X Isn't free.
Windows is heavily used in science.
OS has nothing to do with learning about computers, you learn the system if you choose to; coupled with neither OSX or Linux having something as deeply ingrained to the system as .NET and PowerShell Windows comes out on top here even if you find the truth hard to swallow.
Windows UAC is graphical sudo, using admin user PW no different from default Ubuntu install you find NASA using.
Windows codebase is completely fine based on leaks in previous years and not made up irc convos posted on 4chan with no citations or references.
Malware is due to user stupidity and carelessness, Windows default install is second highest rated out of all only beind OpenBSD according to OBSD founder Theo De Raadt.
>>53987698
>implying being paid big bucks means that devs automatically know their shit
>implying you have proof that OSX and Loonix are NSA botnets
>implying it's hard to use Loonix if you want to do same shit like on Windows and OSX
>implying using any OS won't teach you something about computers
>>53988453
Hardware always costs money, Apple hardware is cheaper than similar alternatives.
>Do you honestly think that by giving away software for free is what apple loves to do.
It helps to keep their customers happy and bound to their eco system.
>>53988556
>why proprietary?
Because most people doing productive shit, use proprietary and open sores software is almost always avaible for all systems.
Although you're right and the shit should include specific software types as it did with vidya and science.
>Linux has completely unified updates. Nothing can compare.
Pretty much same with OSX, plus Online Recovery swag.
>How do you know that OS X is good? I actually know nothing about this. It said unknown before.
He said it's based on devs opinions, and well, there are not many other sources for Windows and OSX.
>>53987698
>implying the nebulous realm of "science" isn't extremely diverse in hardware and software platforms
>implying teaching something about computers isn't entirely user-dependent
>implying modern GNU/Linux is at all difficult to use
>>53988703
iOS got a lot code from OSX.
>>53987791
>>53988410
He just said that your statement "that is incorrect" was correct...
>>53988723
Fuck you and your powershell meme
>>53987698
Can someone add SweetOS to the op image?
>>53987791
this was like a premonition for the whole thread, literally
e.g.:
>os x and linux (gnu) are pretty much the same inside
he obviously use vista or xp
>>53988822
Fuckoff
>>53988748
>Because most people doing productive shit, use proprietary
What about robotics, servers, 3D rendering? Those are productive.
>Pretty much same with OSX, plus Online Recovery swag.
What does OSX have? I'm pretty annoyed dealing with the appstore, brew, npm, and pip. Linux wraps all that kind of stuff up. Just curious.
>>53988748
>Hardware always costs money, Apple hardware is cheaper than similar alternatives.
If you remove your borner for the screen. All apple laptops are shit.
My toshiba p70-a has more power then the base apple laptop and contains 32gig ram, 740m nvidia chip and a 1080 FHD-LED 17inch screen.
>$1000 Australian.
>With 3 years warranty
>$56 option for 120m.2SSD.
Nothing you guys say would explain why buying apple laptops for a screen is worth the $200 more then what I use to shit post.
>>53988822
what is this
>>53988822
The official autistic /g/ OS.
I hear a lot of retards here use that. They call it arch.
>>53987698
>W10
>used in science: rarely
I could read every single post of /pol/ right now and wouldn't find any statement that is more wrong than this.
>>53988723
>coupled with neither OSX or Linux having something as deeply ingrained to the system as .NET and PowerShell Windows comes out on top here even if you find the truth hard to swallow.
are you retarded
what is bash or literally any shell coupled with everything being a file
>b-but muh convoluted powershell
>Windows default install is second highest rated out of all only beind OpenBSD according to OBSD founder Theo De Raadt.
yeah, no thanks, I'll rather take (flawed) statistics on CVE's released for operating systems that consistently puts even the average linux distro far below osx and windows releases in terms of both number of vulnerabilities and average severity of those vulnerabilities
>>53988860
>toshiba
that's cool and all for like the first month it actually works until it melts in your hands
>>53988878
stop samefagging you fucking nigger and go back to the desktop thread where you belong
>>53988822
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT
>>53988890
Whatever, troll.
>>53987923
OSX doesn't have a microkernel though.
>>53988891
1.2 years.
I use it for engineer networks (virtually gns3)
Run 8 virtual systems (for both work and education - same time)
It gets hot when you game, but like any laptop and laptop user, it is simply retarded to game on a portable laptop. But it has a better graphics output then apple. At least it has a dedicated graphics card + the i7 core.
>>53988890
and if we're doing corrections
>made by people who know their shit
yeah, I guess all those people whose professional careers are supporting, maintaining, and developing for gnu+linux don't know their shit, I mean it's not like redhat is a billion dollar company or anything
>>53988936
Isn't Mach a microkernel?
>>53988945
Then again mate, this was constructed by people who has NEET careers.
>>53988693
Sounds cool as fuck. What is your average day working at Netflix like?
>>53988912
what's the matter, do the rajeet training camps not include rebuttals with their scripts?
>>53987698
What an oversimplified and retarded analysis. Fuck off.
>>53988961
It's not mach, it's XNU.
>>53988893
Sweet-OS
>>53987698
source on osx codebase being good?
I could believe it, though. Nothing like trying to maintain backwards compatibility to turn your software into shit.
>>53988856
>What about robotics, servers, 3D rendering? Those are productive.
Mhmm, fair enough, hence more categories would be the best, and actually helpful for people who still try to pick an OS for their needs.
> I'm pretty annoyed dealing with the appstore, brew, npm, and pip. Linux wraps all that kind of stuff up.
Ah, you meant it in that way, yeah, Linux is bit more elegant about it then indeed.
>>53988860
>If you remove your borner for the screen. All apple laptops are shit.
>if you remove your boner for the wheels, all cars are shit
You use the screen 99,9% of the time you use the laptop, why shouldn't it matter? Besides, their trackpads are unmatched and only Chrome OS comes close.
Other than that, you missed the point. "Similar alternatives" don't include a laptop much bigger and much heavier, with a much worse screen to boot.
>Nothing you guys say would explain why buying apple laptops for a screen is worth the $200 more then what I use to shit post.
Well, if all you buy a computer for is shitposting, there might be better alternatives, although having much more space on your desktop and cleaner fonts, while having touch gestures, might increase your shitposting productivity and enhance the experience.
>>53988982
Shit.
Constant statistics.
>We are always analyzing traffic.
>Ensuring the network stacking is balancing network correct
It is rare for us to attend the servers. they are all virtually present on massive servers as well. I can say it is the best feeling in the world to step into the server room on a hot day.
>>53988978
GNU was being developed while RMS was still attending MIT and Linus started developing Linux after graduating from the University of Helsinki
try harder, pajeet
>>53988247
>I doubt you could even contemplate the code.
That is not really an advantage. A good program should be clear.
But you are otherwise correct. There are some brilliant people working on Linux including numerous full-time developers. Acting like it's a bunch of amateurs is dishonest in the extreme. Particularly since the codebase is so vastly better than Windows.
>>53987698
You know, about "Ease of use". So I tried to install Exchange on Windows Server yesterday. I got a ton of vague errors and a ton of "recommended solutions" under each error. I did everything I was told to, but still I couldn't get rid of them. Configuring exim/postfix is 100x easier.
>>53989039
Linus was living with his mom when he developed Linux. He was attending college at the time.
>>53989015
>>If you remove your borner for the screen. All apple laptops are shit.
>>if you remove your boner for the wheels, all cars are shit
Nice logic you retard
>Remove the retina display and replace it with a normal FHD screen
Really fucking good hardware left over aye. You're paying $1000 for an i5 non dedicated motherboard. With both solid RAM that is limited in size, cannot provide 32gig ram, and is known for graphics?!?!? with dedicated GPU processing.
>To prevent heat it throttles the CPU down
>That slim design is very good for performance aye.
Don't burn yourself but remove the lighter fluid from the lighter. Very fucking useful.
>>53988884
He probably needs to be more specific.
There's "office work by scientists" which will be a mix based on preference, "need to hook up a computer to this specific instrument" which will usually be windows because corporations, and then there's technical computing, which is almost entirely *nix.
>>53989005
>>53988822
if i search with google i can only see this
>>53989039
I was implying the people who made this chart.
I mean this cunt stated people don't know anything with linux.
I am saying
>"Well this was made by NEETS"
>>53988822
This makes me physically uncomfortable
>>53987698
>Windows 10 teaches nothing about computers
Bullshit. Considering the numerous issues it has, you quickly end up learning a lot, and eventually you learn Windows is shit.
>OSX teaches stuff about computers
Literally wat.
>>53988723
>OS X Isn't free
Then why can I download it for free right here?
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/os-x-el-capitan/id1018109117
>>53989019
Gimme some more details bruh. What languages do you use to gather statistics? Is it all real-time? Did something bad ever happen like servers crashing?
>>53989124
>Literally wat.
It's UNIX, of course it teaches stuff.
>>53989041
Not to forget the prevalence in servers. Couple of neckbeards really harm Loonix reputation.
>>53989085
>Remove the retina display and replace it with a normal FHD screen
>going back generations to save couple bucks
>downgrading from 16:10 to 16:9
Rest of your post is MUH SPECS, ignoring that there are many different and more important factors for people buying a laptop. Stop being so autistic, enjoy your Toshiba and try to understand that different people look for different things in their laptops.
>>53989041
So programmers would believe.
To make efficient programs, it is sometimes required to shorting the lengths of calls and functions calls. It does not always mean readability is good for reliability.
>C programs are like this though.
you need to manage how many calls you make. Yet it is fast.
>>53989126
Because the update to El Capitan is as free as the update to Windows 10.
>>53988891
>stop samefagging you fucking nigger and go back to the desktop thread where you belong
I literally just want to know what it is
>>53989166
Upgrade to Windows 10 is free for XP users?
>>53989166
And update to mountain lion. And update to Mavericks. And update to Yosemite. And one is able to upgrade or downgrade to that version any time he wants.
>>53989166
It's the full OS, not an update. You can burn it to a disk and install it on a blank HDD.
>>53989005
Looks creepy as fuck
>>53988884
NASA uses OSX.
>>53989201
Upgrade to El Capitan is free for Mountain Lion users?
>>53989161
>You'd pay 3 grand for these two specs right here.
I am not saying laptops are bad. But the apple laptops are not worth the price if your deduct the screen. I mean if apple added a dedicated graphics cards I would then say cunts are not retarded.
Apple laptops are not for graphics since it is using the internal chips to process GPUs processes.
>The thinner you go
>The less you will get with apple laptops.
>>53989240
Of course. NASA prefers commercial Unix to GNU. They still love and use Solaris.
>>53989201
>>53989203
>>53989224
Yeah because all those people originally got the OS for free.
Same thing as Windows really, the point still stands. You can be sure they'll be selling the next major version.
>>53988265
There's a hardware level backdoor in every single recent (< 3 years) x86_64 CPU.
>>53989229
It'll look friendly once you get used to it :)
>linux
>teaches you about computers
Every operating system does if you put in the effort.
Fucking around with ubuntu and ricing your desktop isn't going to teach you shit.
Your time would be better spent using windows and studying the windows internals books than jerking it to your optimized gentoo installation.
>>53988265
Not really. You can actually do anything you want with it, just expect to get caught swiftly.
>>53989285
I would like these confirm please
>From a reputable source
>Not from a retard sub reddit
>Not from some retards post on 4chan.
>Not from some random fucktards website.
A real source.
>>53989283
Why would they? The last time they sold a physical copy was Snow Leopard.
>>53989253
Providing you can run it, yes.
>>53989260
>But the apple laptops are not worth the price if your deduct the screen.
By the same logic, other laptops aren't worth the price if you deduct the extra weight, battery life or a good trackpad. It's like you still don't understand that tons of people don't need 32GB RAM and dedicated GPU.
>>53989283
>Yeah because all those people originally got the OS for free.
Yes they did, it was preinstalled on their PCs. If they have good enough hardware, they are free to upgrade to a newer OSX version. If you bought a powerful enough PC with XP or Vista pre installed, you're not getting shit from Microsoft.
>>53989334
https://libreboot.org/faq/#intelme
>>53989319
Now, you do not learn redirection
I am not going to type a massive post to you. Linux simply said is closer to the hardware at the application level then windows.
You can remove the kernel by using application level software.
>>53989367
Wtf is redirection?
>>53989348
Mate, I am saying that the $1000 toshiba laptop is better then even the cheapest apple laptop model,
It is even more powerful, is better suited for graphical work. My partner is in fact a digital and concept artist and she even believes that the apple laptops are shit.
>She laughed when I told her it is known for graphics yet does not have a cheap and nasty dedicated GPU.
I mean what retards want the CPU to process both software and graphics as well as pay over a grand $US.
It is not about features you don't need. If that was the case then why are you not buying a simple netbook? I mean even those things have the same graphics abilities as the cheapest apple laptop.
A $400 business laptop would have the same features of the cheapest model.
How does it feel to be smashed in features by a fucking business laptop with a 15.6inch screen.
>>53989414
Type in linux redirection on google.
>>53987698
>No BSD
D R O P P E D
R
O
P
P
E
D
>>53988254
Almost anything that writes to the disk (ie everything)
>>53989441
Hell there is a modd for the think pad t430s to have a retina screen.
>for $200aus
>Made by a quality china company which is link in apple as well.
>>53988328
>NSA is not this super power hackers.
That is exactly what they are, hackers funded by a super power with a near unlimited budget. Have you not read any of the snowden leaks?
You are naive to think they don't have the ability to slip a subtle coding bug that wouldn't even be identifiable into the kernel or any other of the absurd amount of libraries and packages in a typical linux install.
>>53989334
>A real source.
from intel themselves:
https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/new-intel-business-processors-deliver-leading-security-manageability-and-performance/
>New Intel AT 3.0 enables the poison pill to be sent as an encrypted, authenticated SMS message by an authorized administrator over a 3G cellular network as well within moments after a missing laptop is turned on. When recovered, the PC can be similarly re-activated with another message. Its new Locator Beacon capability gives authorities the ability to pinpoint a missing laptop using GPS technology on select 3G modems.
of course, this is for 2011 era cpus (think sandy bridge), more modern ones have the 3g chip on die rather than just on the laptop, however trying to find a link is a little bit of effort and I really can't be arsed at the minute
>>53989469
>please OS X, fill my worn out hole with your proprietary software, literally anyone is allowed to take me and use me for anything
>>53989441
>the $1000 toshiba laptop is better then even the cheapest apple laptop model,
What's your point? The MacBook/MacBook Air aren't designed for blistering performance but rather portability and ease of use. MBP is better than other laptops in it's price range
>My partner is in fact a digital and concept artist and she even believes that the apple laptops are shit.
Anectdotal evidence which goes against the fact that OSX dominates the design market
>A $400 business laptop would have the same features of the cheapest model.
And has wangblows and is twice the size. i'm on right now (lenovo) and it's shit tier, typing keeps skipping I can feel the weight on my lap, screen is shit. MBA >>> this POS any day
>>53989441
>I am saying that the $1000 toshiba laptop is better then even the cheapest apple laptop model,
Which is absolutely retarded and wrong. At best it's "faster" which either matters or don't, depending on your priorities. What's so complicated about it?
>>53989503
>hackers funded by a super power with a near unlimited budget
Doesn't mean they are actually good at their job.
>>53989524
he hates Software freedom 0:
>>53989503
I have read some documents. But... I am not going to be retarded and make assumptions with missing facts.
It would be the boy who cried wolf every time someone made assumptions that tap water causes cancer from bad research papers made by Indians.
>>53989486
You are retarded and don't know what admin priviledges are. For instance browsers do not run with admin rights on Windows. Neither does VLC, AIMP, Paint.NET, uTorrent, and most other common software including games. Now go choke on a bag of dicks.
>>53989518
>Skylake.
No fucking shit.
>>53989334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGuIGLz01hE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bJ5b8Dgoc
http://invisiblethingslab.com/itl/Resources.html
>>53989553
The one about games isn't always true. Besides if you choose to donate your money to corporations and use botnets like Steam, Origins or uPlay, your PC is compromised already.
>>53989526
Price for performance is shit when you buy a MBR.
Though your point is well said.
>People want portable and light laptops.
I agree that MBPr has the covered. Though I do not agree with the price for the performance, that is a thing people may need.
>But to cry over a laptops weight
Mine is 4kgs, evenly distributed, feels nice. If you want no weight then use a tower.
>>53989541
Are you literally Nutella man or payed by Nutella man or aspiring to be Nutella man? No? Then there's nothing you could do with BSD that you can't already do.
>>53989538
>>I am saying that the $1000 toshiba laptop is better then even the cheapest apple laptop model,
>Which is absolutely retarded and wrong
Mate it not just faster. It is more functionality. In the statement I made I said it is better. I stand correct. It is not as portable though. Which the MBPr is best at. But functionality is missing.
>>53989582
Some quality resources there mate...
Fuck youtube . Worse then fucking wikipedia.
>>53989634
Am I suppose to understand this gibberish?
Serves me right for reading daytime 4chan.
>>53989651
Functionality? Like a good screen or trackpad? Maybe a NVMe SSD? Keyboard is subjective so we can leave that out I guess.
Glad you're getting the point about portability at least.
>>53989549
>I am not going to be retarded and make assumptions with missing facts.
Read some more of the documents then, the snowden leaks have proved that we just aren't paranoid enough when it comes to nation state hackers and the efforts they go to.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/juniper-drops-nsa-developed-code-following-new-backdoor-revelations/
A nation state did this to a closed source security product. What makes you think that backdooring an obscure open source library is beyond their ability?
>>53989679
He said, are you nutella man?
>Then there's nothing you could do with BSD that you can't already do.
>>53987698
Get raped and kill yourself, you retarded
fucking faggot sack of shit with down syndrome.
>>53987698
But who cares though
>>53989681
1300hz ram with overclocking abilties
>Perhaps M.2 SSD/wifi slots x2
>room for 2HDDs/SSDs for those who want to store files on more then fixed inbuilt storage.
keyboards are average but track pads. How fucking long can anyone use a track pad for. There is always a china store somewhere selling $2 wireless mouse.
>>53989733
>How fucking long can anyone use a track pad for.
You've never actually used a mac, have you?
>>53989691
I never fucking said NSA does not have backdoors. I said NSA are not these super hackers that NEETs are scared of.
>>53989691
I never fucking said NSA does not have backdoors.
I said NSA are not these super hackers that NEETs are scared of.
>>53989617
>4kg laptop
More power to you bro. But thanks for at least being one of the few people on /g/ to see that there's more to hardware than just raw performance.
>>53988328
>There is no proof that the NSA has a backdoor on linux.
NSA = RED HAT = RPM DISTROS
>>53989733
>1300hz ram with overclocking abilties
Nothing impressive, not like RAM speed matters that much.
>>Perhaps M.2 SSD/wifi slots x2
Would still be slower unless you spend noticeably more.
>room for 2HDDs/SSDs for those who want to store files on more then fixed inbuilt storage.
Great if you want more storage, irrelevant if you want the fastest storage available. It's like different people got different needs!
>How fucking long can anyone use a track pad for. There is always a china store somewhere selling $2 wireless mouse.
>comparing Apple trackpads with a mouse
Now that's just silly.
>>53989779
Prove it.
>>53988936
XNU is a microkernel.
>>53988961
XNU is the kernel. Mach is the name of the design.
>>53987698
>OSX free
>OSX teaches something about computers
>Windows has a package manager
nope
other than that seems alright
>>53989696
Who is nutella man?
Also freenas looks super compelling for a home server, and I haven't seen a loonix alternative that looks as comfy and as easy to set up zfs
>>53989779
What the fuck ever you fucking autistic retard.
Go put your tin foil hat on.
>>53989798
256 storage then you have apple options. 500gig will cost you $300+
what is this retard logic.
Fuck off mate. You are saying less is better since it is faster.
Well shit. My car is a sports car but it also runs out of petrol faster then that piece of shit rust bucket next door. Faster must be more practical.
I can run two SSDs are the same time or one SSD and a 2TB storage. Good for having movies wherever I go.
Enjoy your small storage but fast speed.
>>53989674
>Both recordings of public talks given at renowned conventions by reputable security researchers.
>One live demonstration with technical explanation of attack on x86 chip vulnerability, only patched in modern chips.
Fine it may not be an intentional backdoor, but it's still outside the realm of a software patch. What exactly do you want?
>>53989811
Open NAS is a little better.
I have personally used it in vmware hypervisor. Works really nice,
>>53989763
>>53989748
I have no idea what you are trying to argue then.
You want proof of something that's impossible to prove. Even if you found a subtle integer overflow that lead to an exploit how would you prove it was a backdoor?
You can't.
If you are arguing that the NSA aren't skilled hackers with some scary as fuck abilities after reading the snowden leaks then you are probably retarded.
>>53988328
>I don't think the secret electronic intelligence services of the world's biggest, richest economy working professionally with a virtually unlimited budget in total secrecy can outsmart, blackmail, pay, or extort neckbeards who eat cheese from between their toes
Retard
>>53989893
Technical proof including patch code.
You can reverse engineer any code. If this was a backdoor then hackers would decode it then release the provided backdoor code (If any)
>>53989945
Ok mate. I do have to give it to you.
You made me fucking laugh with the neckbeard shit.
But still "assumptions".
I assume NASA found aliens, does not mean it has ever happen on record.
>>53989881
>You are saying less is better since it is faster.
No, try reading. I am saying faster CAN be better. It depends on what you're looking for.
>My car is a sports car but it also runs out of petrol faster then that piece of shit rust bucket next door.
Which make it more fun to drive. Practical depends on what you try to achieve. Using the sports car to transport stuff would be not very practical, etc, etc.
>>53987698
implying that the devs for windows know anything is autistic. its been proven they dont know why windows boots, they tried to replace the boot sequence with something else but they could get it to post. no one at microsoft knows shit about building an os anymore.
>>53988799
Are you 5 years old?
>>53989041
A good program should ALSO be easy to read, but that's not by any chance the only metric. Performance matters as well, and in kernel design matters a lot.
Besides, I get readibility complains regarding variable names and such, but in the case of C it's a problem with the language design itself. Python is more readable, but I've never seen anyone argue that it's better.
>>53989908
Did you mean openbsd? Nothing comes up searching for open nas.
I'll be running it under/along proxmox
>>53987923
>superior
Yet Linus Torvald thinks it has a ridiculous kernel design, and I'm somehow inclined to agree with the guy who designed the most used kernel in the world and that is used in more critical systems.
>>53990067
This statement tells me more about your homosexuality than the technical merits of kernels in general.
>>53989982
The difference is, one of these things is logical, the other is not.
It is logical to assume that the NSA and GCHQ have a way of accessing linux, because the facts are:
The secret services have unlimited funds
The secret services have unlimited access to personal data of software devs
The secret services do not have to abide by the rule of law
The secret services have a government demanded mandate to gain access to software
>>53989161
>other factors
But anon, you said hardware. Cute aluminum cases don't count, they aren't a spec.
>>53990131
>weight and size aren't part of the spec
>>53990067
You know that UNIX microkernels existed 20 years before Torvalds wrote his shitty UNIX clone, right?
>>53990149
>weight is hardware
It's not my fault you realized you were wrong.
>>53990153
What does ancestry have to do with quality in any way, shape or form?
>>53990173
>hardware is weighless
>>53990190
You argued that Linux being widely used inherently means that its design is good. I'm arguing that new UNIX derivatives continuing to follow microkernel designs means that it is inherently a superior design.
>>53990203
Weight isn't hardware. You can say it's relevant and that it's a spec, but it's not hardware, so justifying "apple computers have better hardware than others in the same price range" with fucking weight is retarded.
>hnng maybe if I post another backtracking he'll go away and I'll win
>>53987698
Windows has a package manager? Since when?
>>53987698
Plan9 / 9front:
No
No
No
No
No
No
>>53990226
No I didn't. I never once even mentioned Linux, anon.
>>53989563
>>Skylake.
>No fucking shit.
>2nd Generation Intel® Core™ Processors Bring New Security Features to Protect Data and Identities
>March 7, 2011
all the newer processors with vpro have it, all processors with intel management engine (all of them past 2009 or so) have a lesser form of it m8
>>53990245
Since Windows 7.
But it's was only for windows internals, such as Hyper-V and IIS.
In Windows 10 it's has become for other stuff as well.
>>53989950
Right, this is why I posted youtube videos.
There is "code" that is inaccessible which runs on these chips. It's cryptographically singed and stored ON THE CHIP. Beyond the reaches of anyone but the manufacturers. This is the problem, nobody but them have any idea what IME is doing. The second video is a demonstration of a bug in the DOCUMENTED bits of code that run UNDERNEATH the operating system on intel x86 chips.
>>53990261
If you're not >>53990067 then sodd off. You're not contributing to the conversation by joining in and not following the chain of posts.
>>53990239
>Weight isn't hardware.
Glad you can see the obvious. Vice versa, hardware has a weight, which is as much part of the spec as muh GHZ, if not more important.
> being Mac OS x/windows user fell for loonix mepme
> Ubuntu is ugly af
> Fedora is not better
> struggledp with drivers
> broke the system after 30 minutes of usage, tried another one
> UI is not intuitively understandable, it seemed like some imbecile developed it for another imbeciles
> googled some questions -found them on some outdated old forums(without resolution)
> the whole system looks like shit
> installed IDE, fonts are ugly af even after manual tuning
> struggled with packages and repositories
> enough for this shit, came back to OS x and windows in VM
> spent my time on these fucking pieces of crap
Loonix retards are just stupid retards. Period. Fucking subhuman animals. Don't know what to add more. The loonixturd dogshit will never be popular and acceptable.
>>53990309
You realized you fucked up, avoided my point and started a juvenile damage control with a tumblresque "well DUH". Better luck next time, anon.
>>53990317
> UI is not intuitively understandable, it seemed like some imbecile developed it for another imbeciles
Sounds like gnome3
It is shocking to me that the default desktop environment for some of the major distros is an unintuitive mess that requires you to download a 'tweak tool' and extensions to make it into something workable.
>>53990317
> struggled with packages and repositories.
It would be 10/10 bait if for didn't include that part.
>>53990317
>> struggledp with drivers
>> struggled with packages and repositories
in what fucking decade
>>53990384
I guess this means you agree that hardware isn't weightless then? What exactly was your point besides that?
>>53988247
>This is the mount command built into bash
>built into$ type mount
mount is /usr/bin/mount
>>53990459
>omg I won! I'll pretend like I didn't get what he said
>>53987698
Still is a bullshit list:
Windows not used in science, fucking bullshit.
Windows doesn't secure super user? Since when, it's called UAC. Set the fucking permissions.
>>53990504
Wasn't that the moment to post anime girls? How disappointing.
>>53988440
the gnu version is faster and self-documenting.
why is that bad?
>linux kernel
>having a mascot package manager and mascot desktop environment
is this some sort of hidden GNU joke?
>>53990563
>is this some sort of hidden GNU joke?
Uh, it's not exactly hidden.... How gnew are you?
>>53990532
I don't know, mate. Can you list even one supercomputer running Windows?
>>53990540
I keep my lolicon on my home server and I'm in the process of transitioning, so I don't have it here.
Also you got my point perfectly fine, you just don't want to admit it.
>>53990268
And even before then everyone has been using Cygwin for an eternity.
'Cyg-apt install curl', etc
>>53990584
Oww, that's a shame.
>Also you got my point perfectly fine
This would require having a point.
>>53990544
because YOU DON'T NEED DOCUMENTATION FOR A PROGRAM THAT ONLY RETURNS TRUE
>>53987698
As inaccurate as the original.
>>53990681
brb, deleting my manpage for true
thanks for the advice
>>53990779
delete your local documentation, you're using a GUI anyways
>>53987698
OS X architecture is not AMD64 mate
>>53990810
>you're using a GUI anyways
OH NO
>>53990678
You're saying apple hardware is better because it's lighter. This is beyond retarded because you're only using one metric and a shitty one at that. Following that trainwreck of a thought process, my phone is better than an IBM Power 8 because it's lighter. I've been explaining this and you of course got it, but you had to pretend you didn't, just like you will now because you're a tumblrfag who can't hold a debate.
Hardware quality isn't judged by a single quality, and if it was I can assure you it wouldn't be weight.
>>53988247
>I doubt you could even contemplate the code.
>Esoteric code is good meme
You know how I know you are skiddie? That code is neither amazing, or difficult.
>Call some functions
>write to stdout
>WOW SO ADVANCED
>>53988860
And a battery life measured in minutes no doubt.
>>53990930
>things I don't like need to be bad!
>>53987698
>linux
>just werks: sometimes
kek
Should be rarely t b h
>>53990882
Jesus and here I thought you were just shitposting, this is even worse.
>You're saying apple hardware is better because it's lighter.
I never said that, only that weight is another important metric that can't be ignored. Whether is matters to you or not, decides what hardware is best for YOU.
> my phone is better than an IBM Power 8 because it's lighter.
Assuming you're planning to make calls with your phone and take it with you, obviously. There is no objective criteria that decides what's best for hardware, so it all depends on you.
When talking about Apple hardware, people usually talk about other ultrabooks, just like when people who talk about smartphones, usually don't argue that a laptop has twice the performance. Once you compare Apple laptops to other laptops, you quickly realize, that they are vastly superior and hence not overpriced, which makes OSX free by most criteria.
>>53990972
Same wrong shit but with extra memes and details!
>>53990994
If you're retarded maybe. Or very unlucky with driver support.
>>53990871
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X
>Platforms: x86-64
bruh
>>53990930
>xps13
>rapes most macs in specs
>only comperable mbp is 600€ more expensive
>that mac still has worse screen
>getting 12 hours of actual battery life during daily use
>>53991062
>getting 12 hours of actual battery life during daily use
If you use the shitty 1080p screen. Also it has much worse specs than rMBP, shitty trackpad and tons of issues going by complaints from people.
>>53991045
>I never said that, only that weight is another important metric that can't be ignored.
Show me a single instance of you saying this.
>Assuming you're planning to make calls with your phone and take it with you
Backtracking. You never specified usecases, you brought up weight as a single metric.
>When talking about Apple hardware, people usually talk about other ultrabooks
Again, backtracking. We never specified ultrabook, we said apple hardware.
>Once you compare Apple laptops to other laptops, you quickly realize, that they are vastly superior and hence not overpriced
Because weight, got it.
>>53991151
>Also it has much worse specs
Proof?
>shitty trackpad
If I honestly cared about pointer precision I'd use any 5$ wireless mouse that's better than any trackpad in the world, but I'm willing to accept this there's several reviews showing it.
>tons of issues going by complaints from people.
Like what? The keyboard flex?
>>53990578
I can name as many super computers running Windows as I can super computers running Linux:
Zero.
That a handful of modern super computers use snippets of the Linux kernel in their custom built OSs is not "super computers running on Linux".
>>53991199
>>53989161
Should address the first two points.
>We never specified ultrabook, we said apple hardware.
I mentioned trackpads in my first post, which sounds like a decent hint that the talk is about the Apple laptops. The majority of them are ultrabooks. (15" rMPB might quality, not sure)
With this information, it shouldn't be too hard to conclude that the talk is about ultrabooks, unless you want to pretend that following context and logical train of thought is too much to ask.
>Because weight, got it.
Obviously not, only Retina Macbook is outstanding at weight. Compared to other ultrabooks, they simply offer the best package of specs/screen/battery life ... and while "best" specs and battery life are still somehow subjective and dependant on usecases, there are the unmatched trackpads.
>>53991336
http://www.top500.org/statistics/list/
wew lad
>>53991309
>Proof?
Just look it up yourself, rMBP uses 28W cpu, xps 13 a 15W one, sure it's one generation newer but that's not really enough to balance out the difference.
Not sure if XPS uses NVMe SSDs, so going to ignore that one.
>If I honestly cared about pointer precision I'd use any 5$ wireless mouse that's better than any trackpad in the world
Shows that you never used a good trackpad.
> The keyboard flex?
That one would be actually new. Like bugs with GPU, display, trackpad, WiFi Drops and ... take your pick really. They might have fixed most already but given that other XPS laptops had similar shit at start, it's a systematic problem with Dell.
>>53987698
The only program that linux can't run that I'd like it to is SAS.
>>53991422
He clearly said it was Linux but not Linux. Retard, so how can he be wrong?
>>53991453
>Retard, so how can he be wrong?
Is this English?
>>53991482
swap the period and comma.
>>53991519
Why is retard capitalized, then?
>>53988723
>#include <getopt.h>
>#include <unistd.h>
>#include <sys/types.h>
>#include <sys/mman.h>
HEY GUYS! FOUND THE WINDOWS SHILL!
>>53991529
It's his proper name.
>>53991346
>I mentioned trackpads in my first post
>>53988748
>Apple hardware is cheaper than similar alternatives.
I don't care what other context you used, this was the post I replied to and nowhere in this sentence did you mention trackpads.
>>53991443
>Just look it up yourself, rMBP uses 28W cpu, xps 13 a 15W one
So it doesn't reach 80C on load, that's good. I mean if we go by power only the guy with the Alienware wins.
>Not sure if XPS uses NVMe SSDs
Not sure either, but it's PCI-E.
>Shows that you never used a good trackpad.
I actually have, extensively. Any mice I've used was better. Ball mice were better. No serious application that requires pointer precision uses trackpads, they use mice and drawing pads.
>Like bugs with GPU, display, trackpad, WiFi Drops and ... take your pick really.
I don't use Windows.
>>53991550
Why would he reply to himself?
It shocks me that Windows OEMs have still completely failed on the trackpad front. Apple fucking blows them out of the water on the PRIMARY INTERFACE TOOL of the operating system.
Still sucks for programming, which is why Spacemacs exists. All trackpads are shit when dealing with text.
>>53988419
In order to acquire any of the "free" versions of OS X you have to either:
Buy a Mac that comes with them (At least $500)
Buy a copy of Snow Leopard for your Mac and then upgrade to them. ($20)
>>53991562
>So it doesn't reach 80C on load, that's good.
TDW is less related to that and more to actual performance before throttling. Obviously Alienware got even more performance but ... ultrabooks yo.
>but it's PCI-E.
Ah, pretty identical then.
>I actually have, extensively. Any mice I've used was better.
Nope, doesn't sound like it at all. Specially if you include ball mices.
>I don't use Windows.
Then a majority of the problems might indeed be irrelevant for you. Assuming the Linux drivers aren't as shit.
>>53988599
>Every software upgrade is free
Lol no. Tell that to the people who used FCP4
>The office suite is free
No, it's not.
Pages is $20, Numbers is $20, Keynote is $20
They only come free when you buy a new Mac.
>Most creative tools are free
iMovie is $15, Final Cut Pro is $300, Garage Band is $5, Logic Pro is $200. Again, iMovie and Garage Band only come free when you buy a new mac. I guess you get Photos, though.
OS X upgrades are free, but only for people who run Snow Leopard or later, which is $20.
>>53991865
>Specially if you include ball mices.
Actually I was including ball mice. More precise than any trackpoint I've used.
>Assuming the Linux drivers aren't as shit.
Well I desperately want to believe in that as well, but when was the last time you heard someone go "boy, moving to Linux sure did fix all those driver issues I was having"?
>Valve will save us, guys ;_;
>>53991981
>More precise than any trackpoint I've used.
Trackpoints aren't on the level of Apple trackpads, even if you check the shit in store for few minutes you should be able to notice how great this things are.
>"boy, moving to Linux sure did fix all those driver issues I was having"
Happened to me actually, although just usb stick wifi drivers but they worked flawlessly with Linux but needed tweaks for Windows.
>>53987698
Over 80 hours of objective autism coming right up
>>53990432
I actually really enjoy gnome 3 after staying with xfce. I see your point about the tweak tool though.
>>53991981
Drivers are perfect for Arch loonix for the xps 13. WiFi is garbage if you have broadcom WiFi, because that chip is garbage so specify if you can to get the intel one or change it yourself like I did for $25
>>53987698
Missing the category "runs on <$1200 computers".
>>53992746
>/v/ cucks actually believe this
Actually Windows IS used in science, usually on the less tech aware fiends and provided as OS on experimental devices such as microscopes, supplied by commercial vendors. It is actually pretty annoying because a typical researcher developing new devices and tools will find it frustrating and unfamiliar to work on OS.
All your Linux code can't work directly etc.
