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Hi /g/,
What is your opinion in the new windows 10 bash?
embrace
extend
extinguish
>>53969627
>expecting any actual discussion about microsoft on /g/ without memes in every post
Linux is obsolete. You can run native Linux binaries on Windows 10 now. Not even Cygwin could do that.
>>53969627
Bash is trash.
>>53970666
Please, by all means. Tell us how this works with bash you faggot.
UBUNTU WON
>>53970745
Well, I don't feel like memeing right now, but for me Windows 10 fucked up my computer in such ways that the only thing I could do to fix it was going back to Win7. It did stuff like changing the ownership of my Pictures folder by restricting myself out of it, and shit like automatically logging into my account when turning on the computer instead of prompting me with the logon screen.
Also the Win10 App Marketplace is all kinds of fucked, I don't want any part with that.
>>53969627
I literally and wholeheartedly do not care.
This is the year of the Linux desktop
If it solves this then i'm satisfied
>>53969627
not being execute win executables from within bash, discarded
Next year over 50% of developers will have moved away from windows. Glad MS is helping us with the transition. Once devs use the linux tools they'll be out pretty fast.
Well for some reason mime cant apt-get cause it cannot connect and my windows partition now has a / mount point according to gparted
>>53969627
Could make using windows a lot less awkward depending on how it is implemented.
>>53971030
Wait a minite wouldnt this efffectively killl any same drove dual boot?
>>53970884
>It did stuff like changing the ownership of my Pictures folder by restricting myself out of it
Same. How do you think that happened? The start button doesn't work anymore for me too so I'll need to reset.
>>53970884
Install gentoo
>>53970966doskey ls=dir /w $*
>>53970966powershell
ls
>>53971330
powershell slow as shit
>>53971113
I traced that problem down to OneDrive syncing although I had it disabled for that folder. Only solution was disabling OneDrive altogether but I really used it a lot so I just uninstalled Windows 10.
It never went as far as locking up my start button, though.
>>53971423
>slow
Post specs so I can laugh at your shitty build
>>53971449
laugh all you want. a CLI should not be slow even if my computer was much worse
>>53969627
whats the point? we've had cygwin for years and their shitty bash doesn't come with vim, g++, ssh, etc.
>>53971509
>94c
>>53971549
> amd housefire meme
>>53971537
But it does.
>>53969627
FreeBSD had that ages ago.
But shit's irrelevant. The kernel's everything is a file APIs are to comfy.
>>53970884
Personally, it fucked up all my games. Not even half my steam games are runnable
>>53969627
>bringing GNU aids to windows
Why the fuck they didnt buy Hamilton C Shell?
>>53969627
It's just another example of Windows playing catch-up to superior Unix operating systems
>>53971601
more like MS realised how retared the average user actually is
Well, I am neither much of a windows user, nor much of a bash user, so take the following opinion with a grain of salt, but here it is, anyways:
>>53969627
>What is your opinion in the new windows 10 bash?
I think it is a good idea, because bash, and the whole unix/linux/gnu toolchain makes quite a lot of work easier, but, why on earth do they put it in 10?
No one doing any serious work is using W10. Every single workstation or worklaptop I have ever seen is running W7, and probably will, for the next 10 years or so, until linux becomes ready for the mainstream.
But W10 for work? Not going to happen, because, a) the UI is shit, so office drones wont use it, and b) its a security nightmare, from an IP standpoint, so no sane IT department will roll it out, bash be dammed.
>>53972264
literally what?!?!
I use windows 7//
is it in 10 already?
Shit.
Also botnet.
>>53970966
in powershell both ls and dir are aliases for Get-ChildItem
I'm just compiling cmake 3.5.1 on this right now.
>>53969627
Good step forward, nice that MS has acknowledged that no devs ever want to use their shitty, non-POSIX, package manager free OS for their work. Beats using MinGW/MSYS/MSYS2/Cygwin/POSIX in a VM. Most importantly, it means that the top 3 operating systems (Windows, OS X, and Linux) come with a first-party GNU toolchain, which means that they can become a standard for how to build and distribute C software (instead of requiring developers to maintain separate Visual Studio projects).
But something is deeply broken in terms of networking, and so a lot of related things don't work such as ping. Most notably, it currently appears impossible to run any program that listens on a network port (i.e. any sort of server software, which is a huge proportion of what modern developers work on).
>>53972781
It's in the latest Insider Preview of Windows 10 (on the fastest release cycle). To install it, and I'm not joking here, you will need to:
* Install the regular Windows 10 using the official ISO
* Install the upgrades
* Link your Microsoft account to Windows Update
* Set your release frequency to "Fast"
* Wait 48 hours for the release to show up
* Install it on your previous Windows installation. If you prefer to clean install, you can a) use third-party, proprietary tools to convert the Install.esd image hidden in C:\$Windows.~BT to an ISO, b) install the update, then use 10's "Reset" feature to wipe "all your files", but really it'll only delete files in your home directory and leave the rest of your system filled with cruft, or c) wait an indefinite amount of time for MS to release official ISOs of the latest build. But remember, Linux is hard and Windows is easy and straightforward and just works.
>>53974475
Oh, I forgot. After you've installed the update, you need to:
* Go into settings and enable "Developer mode*
* Go into "Turn Windows features on or off" and enable "Windows Subsystem for Linux"
* Open a command prompt and run "bash"
>>53974475
>>53974635
You have to be fucking with me,
>>53974475
Can't he just use the latest insider preview ISO?
>>53974475
right now they only implemented 50/350 linux syscalls
no ICMP yet so no working ping
>>53969627
As a Linux system administrator does this means I'll now have to painfully try and watch the Windows system administrators try and use cli? ;)
>>53974672
No, the latest ISO MS released is for 14925, which doesn't have bash.
>>53974700
Makes sense, thanks for the info. Have they released a timeline for other syscalls?
>>53974736
God damn it, same here, I didn't even think about this shit
Although on second thought I don't think any of the Windowsfags here have Windows 10 so we're safe for now anon
it's amazing
>>53974752
But using that ISO still pretty much cuts down on the amount of steps
>>53970861
How to?
>>53969627
why install bash on windobe whene you can install Gnu+linux and work on it stupid people
>>53974795
When*
>>53974763
What the fuck
Are you trying to use Windows Bash in Wine
How deep will this go??
>>53969627
Still wont keep windows from force restarting with every update
Meanwhile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbABy9ul11I
>>53974752
They will explain more in a blog post but the goal is filling the gaps so it's ready for this summer.
>>53969627
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Windows, is in fact, GNU/Windows, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Windows. Windows is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Windows”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Windows, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Windows is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Windows is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Windows added, or GNU/Windows. All the so-called “Windows” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Windows.
>>53974855
>>53974322
success compiling cmake. Now to mpv cross compiling
>>53974855
Did you just replace every instance of "Linux" in the GNU/Linux rant with "Windows"?
holy shit.
I can't get used to see Linux binaries with Process Explorer
>>53969627
Hello Pajeet.
Here is my opinion: Fuck off.
Well, I am neither much of a windows user, nor much of a bash user, so take the following opinion with a grain of salt, but here it is, anyways:
nice
>>53974774
The only step it removes is checking for updates. Even if you install 14295 from the ISO, you'll have to wait up to 48 hours for 14316 to show up.
>>53974795
At least in my case, because there are Windows programs I have to run for work and school, and I prefer installing Bash and comfy Linux tools and libraries.
>>53971537
>What is the fucking package manager that comes with Cygwin?
>>53970666
Trips is right. Microsoft sees Linux as a threat otherwise they would never include bash.
>>53969627
Why is no one pointing out that we've had Git Bash for *years* on Windows? It's like you peasants don't know how to Windows dev. So, what's the big deal, I could already do this shit?
>>53969627
Most likely a really dumb question. Can you now replace explorer with a Linux desk top environment?
>>53969627
>What is your opinion in the new windows 10 bash?
Yet another reason to ditch Linux.
>>53977460
Linux isn't even a threat to Windows Vista.
I don't understand the point of using bash with windows to begin with. Any self-respecting user that works with bash would just use linux to begin with. Competition is a bitch I guess.
>>53974849
Neat, thanks again!
Been playing with it so far, is far from ready so far but it's promising
>>53971509
thermal paste: apply directly to the CPU
can i run DE's?
This is the first step in Microsoft killing Windows and replacing it with something that they can still sell without spending any money to make.
>>53969627
how is this better than cygwin?
>>53981434
Not painfully slow.
>>53971591
All my steam games work perfect I wonder what you play.
>>53970995
Topkek
YEAR OF DA LOONIX DESKTOP HURR DURR
>>53981561
I am quite certain the upgrade process involves RNG concerning what it breaks. W10 left me without any network drivers, so I had to boot into Linux and download them.
>>53974475
>It's in the latest Insider Preview of Windows 10 (on the fastest release cycle). To install it, and I'm not joking here, you will need to:
>Wait until it comes live you fuckin dork?
>>53974736
>As a Linux system administrator does this means I'll now have to painfully try and watch the Windows system administrators try and use cli? ;)
No sane win admin will use that shit it's just for autists that don't manage to use the much more advanced gui.
>>53974975
Are you an autist? Of course he did.
>>53981592
What do network drivers have to do with steam? Of course it won't work without net. Every broadcom, realtek or intel device works fine, so what?
I'd say Linux is on suicide watch but let's face it, it's never not been
>>53981503
oh right... cygwin is a bit slow compared to *sh on linux
its in keeping with my my experience, insomuch as its not that slow relative to anything else on windows
how to better live with windows...
ram is so cheap, there really are few reasons to be running windows on bare metal anyway.
>>53981637
Different anon. You don't have to go far to find someone with a fucked up W10 upgrade.
>>53981657
That's why you install a clean system instead.
An already fucked up windows 7 installation that went unnoticed won't necessarily result in a working windows 10 installation. I have fucked up one before too but that was because of a shitty android emulator that left corrupted third party drivers on my machine that would crash it from time to time.
>>53981726
>>53981657
Tell all your friends. Windows 7 + Aegis is the last OS of the free world.
https://github.com/th3power/aegis-voat
>>53978079
For gamers not. For developers yes.
Tried windows 10. Mactype didn't work. Downgraded to windows 7 again.
>>53970966
install git for windows.
>>53974159
Whoever thought Get-Childitem was a good idea.
>>53981956
Because all powershell commands share common prefixes like Get and Set to be both descriptive and self documenting.
Structured predictable command names have been around since IBM iseries days.
linux is actually a hot mess since anyone can name their tools anything, there are no standards.
Well, I am neither much of a windows user, nor much of a bash user, so take the following opinion with a grain of salt, but here it is, anyways:
I hate it
>>53970839
wat
>>53982004
I'm pretty sure that, if you use a standard for using a standard's sake, even if that doesn't at all compensate for the loss of developer convenience, that it's called overengineering.
>>53982030
That is why they both introduced standards and added aliases for developer convenience.
There is no such thing as overengineering. There is only thinking ahead, or piss in the wind no forethought given.
Stop using buzzwords and hating things you don't understand.
>>53969627
B O T N E T - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >
O Microsoft is part of NSA's mass surveillance program "PRISM":
T https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
N
E Microsoft informs the NSA about bugs before fixing them:
T https://archive.is/OBGB1
|
| Microsoft openly offeres cloud data to support PRISM:
| https://archive.is/tW6fu
|
| Microsoft has backdoored its disk encryption:
| https://archive.is/2XIvX · https://archive.is/qLRZx
|
| Windows snoops on the users' files, text input, voice input,
| location, contacts, calendar records and web browsing history,
| even after related settings are turned off:
| https://archive.is/Zny36 · https://archive.is/sz1nt
| https://archive.is/g3QdQ · https://archive.is/ko469
|
| A Traffic Analysis of Windows 10:
|
| Keypoints: Windows 10 has a keylogger and uploads all your
| keystrokes every 5 minutes. Everything you type in Edge or
| Cortana is sent to Microsoft, along with any media files it
| finds. When webcam is enabled, 35MB of data goes to Microsoft.
| Even with Cortana disabled/uninstalled, Windows 10 sends all
| microphone audio to Microsoft, when the computer is idle.
| https://archive.is/QnTTA
| https://archive.is/eZKc9
|
| Windows 10 sends desktop screenshots straight to Microsoft:
| https://d2.maxfile.ro/rwspylwbwo.webm
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDeHqiydk4A
|
| Windows 10 scans for illegal/pirated software:
| https://archive.is/vhjwm
| https://archive.is/2jehd
|
| Microsoft proudly presents surveillance statistics:
| https://archive.is/MB0Yy
|
| > Over 82 billion photos viewed.
| > Gamers spent over 4 billion hours playing PC games.
| > 44.5 billion minutes/month spent in Microsoft Edge.
| > Over 2.5 billion questions asked of Cortana since launch.
| > Windows 10 now active on over 200 million devices.
|
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>>53982053
No, fuck you. Engineering is great, but when you understand the concepts you can clearly see that some designs just aren't necessary and will only work counter-proudctive.
>tfw all the wasted developer time using capitalized, long commands in scripts for no real benefit.
>>53970966
I install msys2 and just put its bin at the end of my path.
https://msys2.github.io/
It's too bad the Windows console doesn't handle moon runes by default on English locale systems. I still need to use conemu for that.
>>53981214
I doubt it right now with this. You can with xming and something else like cygwin. I used to run Openbox on Windows for a little bit.
Get rid of the Windows part it might be cool.
yo when is the update coming?
How does that insider thing work anyway? Could someone extract an MSU from it and have other people just install that in their system?
I'll be impressed when they let us run desktop linux apps natively too
But it'll be nice to have bash, because I have no fucking idea how to use powershell
>>53969627
>>What is your opinion in the new windows 10 bash?
People intelligent enough to actually find use for it already use GNU/Linux. There's no point, so: fail.
Here is the reason why Microsoft want to implement bash on NT
http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#technology-desktop-operating-system
>>53969627
It's running on Windows which is the worst malware ever created.
>>53982567
And how was this data gathered?
>>53982611
/thread
>>53982614
It's literally in the link you retard
56,000 people took a survey on stackoverflow
>>53982567
>Linux is an OS
lol
When will people get that there's no such thing like "Linux OS". "GNU/Linux Distros" would be correct.
>>53982654
The kernel is the OS proper, it is the system that operates the hardware and you interface with that using utilities, without the kernel you're not operating anything.
>>53975103
impressive
>>53982674
Without the utilities you're not operating anything :-)
>>53982905
Yet the kernel still would, which is why it's considered the operating system.
>>53974974
it failed. There is a bug when you can't rename a fodler with mv. because Permission denied
>>53982905
nope.
you could send syscalls to the kernel to do shit.
>gnu fags btfo
>>53982654
GNU is a faggti name that will never stick for the same reason people pronounce GIF as in Gift.
GNU is a retarded acronym that stands for Not Unix. The G is pointless just like the rest of the acronym.
Linux doesn't make you sound like a massive faggit when you say it. Instead of Linux being called "not unix kernel" it actually has a name of it's own.
So you GNU/NUK fagits can go cry and preach your social justice while all the original G's will be calling it linux. Nobody gives a fuck about GNU's name. Their software is pretty good though.
>>53982975
>Their software is pretty good though.
The irony of GNU being that they just copied Unix utilities. It's annoying that they call it "not Unix" when it's just a copy of Unix with unnecessary features bolted on.
Linux isn't just a direct copy, it's inspired but still original.
>>53969627
Are they implementing an environment (i.e. the standard commands, env vars, etc) or are they porting the shitty bash terminal itself and slapping it onto the windows env? Bash is a shit terminal, the underlying env that you interact with is what we should care about.
>>53982450
Anniversary Update will be released this summer
>>53982975
>Linux doesn't make you sound like a massive faggit when you say it.
But it does, at least for everyone who knows at least a little bit about computers in general.
There's no reason to continue something wrong just because most people are wrong also.
>>53983044
Running linux servers is standard.
The tux penguin logo and GNU name are both gay as fuck. Literally nobody with any sense of quality uses them.
Red hat the 2 billion dollar coroporation calls it RHEL Redhat Enterprise Linux. They don't call it RHEG/L Because they are smart and don't want some toe shit eating hobo, retarded names, or a 6 year old's rendition of a penguin drawing associated with them.
>>53983044
>everyone who knows at least a little bit about computers in general.
I would say business not computer. While Solaris and BSD rule the ENTERPRISE there are plenty of tech people using Linux. Even still business people don't look down on Linux.
>>53969627
If this puts the powershell devs at my company out of a job, I'll be happy.
>>53983044
I do understand what you are saying though. Everytime someone calls a magazine a clip I always correct them.
This happens all the time, even some games label magazines as "clip size".
Did you know sherbert is a mispronunciation and misspelling of "sherbet"? Also "Duck Tape" brand Duct tape. Duct tape was originally used on vent Ducts. It's fairly common for people to mishear and call Duck instead.
OS X is OS Ten. Because OS one through OS 9. Hell even Mac people themselves call it OS ecks sometimes.
There is a difference though, because I intentionally mispronounce "Jif" as Gif as in Gift. I also intentionally ignore GNU and only call it Linux.
Also did you know Windows KB, MB, GB measurements are WRONG. They actually measure in KiB, Mib, Gib, which are pronounced "Kibibytes", "Mibibytes", and "Gibibytes". They sound gay and people would probably just try to correct you to saying Kilobyte anyway feeling like they are some smart asshole.
KB Kilobytes are 1000 bytes.
KiB Kibibytes are 1024 bytes.
If I ever actually needed to say Kibibytes or Mibibytes, I would just say "kib" or "mib", because they are shorter and sound cooler. The same way I say "gig" for gigabytes.
>>53969627
are you guys all falling for an aprils fool joke, or are you just pretending?
>>53983246
>Also did you know Windows KB, MB, GB measurements are WRONG. They actually measure in KiB, Mib, Gib, which are pronounced "Kibibytes", "Mibibytes", and "Gibibytes". They sound gay and people would probably just try to correct you to saying Kilobyte anyway feeling like they are some smart asshole.
Gib/MiB is a meme started by storage companies.
>>53983246
I respect you Anon.
>>53974824
>How deep will this go??
To the elbow, my friend. To the elbow.
Invest in lube.
>>53974855
Fuck. I'm gonna have to edit this wallpaper.
>>53983320
Not exactly. If you want to complain about anyone complain about ISP's and networking equipment advertising in bits instead of bytes. Which is 8 times inflated.
One Gigabit Ethernet adapter is only equal to 125 Megabytes. Compared to storage devices 1 Gigabyte is 0.93 Gibibytes. Literally the same thing and your partition table for your file system is going to take up a percentage of space anyway. You will never get 100% utilization of all the space.
Mechanical HDD actually come with some spare sectors that can be mapped if normal sectors go bad. There is really no meme or money saving scam compared to replacing erasers on pencils with red rocks.
>>53971509
Nice monitor
>>53983320
>Gib/MiB is a meme started by storage companies.
HURR WHAT AM SI UNITS??! XD
>>53971509
>94c
>>53974635
>Open a command prompt
>Run bash
0/10, bash on windows is trash.
>>53969627
All i need is Unity windows 10 and am happy
>>53974475
LOL fuck that shit
>>53983925
I'd give her my thermal paste if you know what I mean
>>53969627
So instead of just installing my preferred operating system for free, I would install some developer preview of some restricted software which I might have to pay for at some later time to use a glorified VM to install another operating system just to use some software like bash and vim?
It does sound like this idea has its flaws...
>Microsoft wants you do make Universal Apps.
>Linux apps now run everywhere
top kek
>>53982506
Powershell is great once you get a handle on it, much more powerful than bash. As much as people love to say OOP is a meme, it works really for the situations it was designed for, and shell scripting is one of them. It's nice to write a script knowing I won't have to shove everything through a regexp in sed to get the right output. Powershell is probably the best thing about Windows.
>>53969627
What would rm -rf / do?
>>53986621
if you open bash as admin you can delete everything that you could in windows explorer.
I tried and my wallpaper disappeared.
>>53969627
This is awesome. I'm totally going to switch to Microcuck Wangblows 10 cockcage edition because there's bash now and....oh wait, I already have bash on my gnu+linux.
>>53972425
This. I have Windows 10 on my home computer for games and shitposting and Windows 7 for actual work.
But the reason they did It was because "look windows 10 is better please upgrade :^)"
>>53982107
Aw fuck I can't install this shit.
>>53986388
>I would install some developer preview of some restricted software which I might have to pay for at some later time
Installing the developer preview doesn't cost anything. It just means that you'll be in perpetual beta mode.
>a glorified VM to install another operating system just to use some software like bash and vim
This makes no sense. It seems like most of those who post in these threads misunderstand how the technology works, or are just plain shitposting. Microsoft has created a subsystem within the NT kernel, which takes syscalls from them Ubuntu userspace and translates them into something the NT kernel can understand. There is no virtualization happening there, nor are you installing "another operating system". The standard GNU core-utils along with other common software are available to run in this arrangement.
Sure you can install you preferred operating system for free. But it's just as nice to be able to have that Ubuntu userspace and also have the ability to run Windows only software.
>>53970666
The devils trips confirm it! Microsoft is trying to embrace, extend, and extingush bash!
>>53974664
>>53983944
It's literally just an executable in system32. "bash.exe"...
Yeah, it's that fucking basic.
>>53988128
That's how it should be, they said at their event that the kernel will just handle ELFs so it makes sense to launch bash just like you do cmd.com.
>>53988128
>being a special snowflake namefag
fuck off back to your desktop cancer thread
>>53988256
>A person is doing something strictly for the attention and I don't like that
>I better give them attention
>>53969627
Sounded cool, went to try and get it working on Windows 10.
>Log into my Windows 10 partition for the first time in 2 months
>Google how to get Bash
>Need to become a Windows Insider... k
>Sign up on stupid website
>Try to update
>"Insider Premium Build is having trouble updating and your computer needs to restart."
>Fuck it, restart.
>Windows 10 regular updates download
>"Windows has been updated and needs to restart."
>.... okay....
>Restart
>"Windows is working on your updates, please do not turn off your computer..."
>Wait 5 minutes
>"Windows was unable to make changes to your computer. Undoing changes."
>computer restarts
>Same message
>computer restarts again
>Try to update Windows 10 again
>"Windows has finished updating and needs to restart"
>FUCK FINE FUCKING RESTART AGAIN
>Restarts. "Windows was unable to make changes--"
>FUCK IT
>Shut off computer
>remember why I stopped using windows
Hassle-free Bash on my Linux partition that I've been using for a year. Fuck off Microsoft.
>>53988367
https://a.pomf.cat/trcmrs.webm
I will never understand why they have to reboot so much, are they patching the kernel that often? Why is DISM so fucking slow?
>>53988367
>>53988402
Meanwhile these guys are making a parody music video about not needing to reboot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbABy9ul11I
>>53988442
JEJ
