Where were you when linux got btfo?
At university
Why would I want a Linux terminal on Windows anyway?
Even if you slap Linux on top of Windows you still have the underlying problem of Windows.
>>53791792
>it has a terminal; it's just like linux now!
So no more automatic updates? I can do sudo apt-get update/upgrade??? I can remove packages I don't want? I can download programs from the command line???
Didn't think so bitch
sitting on the toilet typing on my SP3 running Win10 Pro Insider Preview after drinking a chocolate protein shake
>>53791829
They'll make that too, eventually.
>>53791829
>I can do sudo apt-get update/upgrade
OneGet was in powershell, so maybe?
>>53791829
Yes you can for Ubuntu sudo apt-get upgrade
>>53791792
>Linux terminal
>Linux
>terminal
Uhhh....
Or you could just install gnu+linux.
>>53791829
They have got apt-get to work.
>>53791792
>his OS doesn't even have reinforced concrete
winlets, when will they learn?
>>53791792
Do you remember those threads asking what program or application linux had above windows? Overwhelmingly the answer was a shell, followed closely by a package manager. Those threads were MS. They were asking us how to kill something we loved.
We have done this friends. This is our fault. once again MS has won and something beautiful will be destroyed in the name of profit and asshatery. The lawsuits will come in a year or so. It's been fun fellows, but I can see the end and it looks hard and unforgiving.
>>53792033
>Do you remember those threads asking what program or application linux had above windows? Overwhelmingly the answer was a shell, followed closely by a package manager. Those threads were MS. They were asking us how to kill something we loved.
#REKT
Microsoft won, again
>>53791951
>apt
>not portage
They blew it
So now there are literally no reasons to use Linux.
>>53792167
Can I customize Windows as well as Linux yet?
Sauce:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/30/11331014/microsoft-windows-linux-ubuntu-bash
>>53792177
>muh rice
Let me rephrase myself. So now there are literally no reasons to use Linux as a functioning member of society.
>>53792256
>ad hominem
nice try
>>53792177
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, Windows/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Windows plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Windows system made useful by the NT corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by Microsoft. Many computer users run a modified version of the Windows system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Windows which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Windows system, developed by Microsoft. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. NT is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the Windows operating system: the whole system is basically Windows with Linux added, or Windows/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of Windows/Linux.
>>53792121
to me it looks more like Linux/Canonical won.
>>53792033
Ah well, start picking out your BSD-compatible hardware.
...maybe Redox will actually work, that'd be pretty cool...
>>53792256
>avoiding the question
>ad hominem
>>53792328
I think the same. I've always find most of the system components on linux superior to the ones on windows. The biggest advantage windows has over linux is exclusivity on certain programs and considering that's a gap that is closing the best thing MS can do is accept that there's a lot of open source tools that are better and incorporate them.
>>53792295
breaking news
linux is a meme
>>53792033
dubs don't lie
>embrace
>>53792372
it could also cause some projects to drop native ports for Windows
>>53792384
well, id linux is a meme how you explain that microsoft incorporated an important part of a meme system? that makes windows a meme now?
>>53792177
>muh ricing
topkek get the fuck out
>>53791792
BUT DOES IT RESPECT MY FREEDOMS?!
Didn't think so. Why is having a Linux terminal on a proprietary NSA OS such a big deal?
Having my wife’s boyfriend install Windows 10 for me so that I can enjoy a feature of an OS I hate on it.
>>53792431
>avoiding the question
>>53792431
>I'll disregard every feature that is better on linux
sour grapes intensifies
>>53792436
Your freedoms are only worth as much as you.
>>53792436
Because even if it doesn't respect your freedoms at least for me is very clear that most if not all of those tools are actually useful and much better than what windows has, so specially for developers this is a big step in the right direction.
>>53791792
It's a good thing, Ubuntutards will go back to windows.
>>53792440
>my wife's boyfriend
>>53792130
>>apt
>>not portage
>They blew it
>not Pacman with the Aur
>>53792571
>whynotboth.jpg
>>53792496
not really, no.
i dont get it, can someone explain? You have the ability to host a virtual ubuntu machine in Windows 10? Is it just a built in feature so you dont need Virtual Box etc?
>>53792571
Aurtism was deprecated for a reason. It's insecure and shit.
>>53792664
It's like a reverse wine for linux programs.
>>53792167
>FUSE probably won't work
>Still slow as fuck for all unix utils because forking takes ages on windows
>Still no auto update for the windows side
>Still atrocious font rendering
>developers face when windows 10 force restarts when he is in the middle of work
>>53791847
You're gonna get hemarroids
>linux users sarcastically tell windows users to apt-get install something
>they'll actually be able to do it now
This is going to be hilarious
>>53791792
So it's got all of these great security features.. What protection does it offer me from the feds?
>>53792167
Except, you know, stuff that actually requires Linux and not Ubuntu userland only.
where were you when the catalog was implemented you faggot. stop reposting
>>53791951
That feel when apt-get will be useless when they move to snappy packages.
>>53792436
https://stallman.org/to-4chan.html
Does Gentoo respect your freedumbs?
No.
But /g/ still uses it.
>>53791792
Sudo apt-get noose
But I still can't simply ssh into my work machine and copy a file over?
>>53792817
Yes, you can faggot. You always could.
There exists a bunch of ssh clients for windows.
>>53791951
>Sysvinit
>Not CancerMD inside
Bravo MS
>>53792830
Yeah but if I am using an ssh client, there is no point to updating to Windows 10.
>>53792835
now...
wait...
SystemDead fags BTFO
BTFO
T
F
O
>>53792436
>what is systemd
M$ bash doesn't have that cancer.
>>53792817
Is there any reason you can't run sshd from the new Winbash?
Personally, my biggest question is: so can I fucking make symlinks now without jumping through admin hoops? I use them to redirect large, rarely accessed data like photos off my SSD. But every damn time I want to make one, I have to run a command prompt as administrator.
>>53792733
>install gentoo (image) is next
mfw
>>53792693
> >Still slow as fuck for all unix utils because forking takes ages on windows
Do you have any evidence for this?
>>53792843
No shit, sherlock.
Will this really be much of use? I cant see any real life use-cases. I get to run some linux software in an isolated instance that wont be usable or communicative with any other software on my computer, wowww.
Does this mean Linux software can be run on windows?
OP here. I am sorry if I have hurt the feelings of any GNU/Linuxfags here.
>>53792940
>I cant see any real life use-cases.
Interoperability
They announced Microsoft SQL Server for Linux earlier this year and Visual Studio for Linux late last year. They want to make it easier for people (especially devs) to transition from Linux to Windows.
Can't blame them, all the web hipsters lately have been using web technology that up to now only existed on Loonix.
>>53792759
Catalog is a giving up textual information for more threads to see with their OP pictures and half cutoff OP replies.
It is legit a manchild mode for the reading impaired and the lazy.
>>53792898
>Personally, my biggest question is: so can I fucking make symlinks now without jumping through admin hoops? I
No, you'd still have NTFS junctions under the hood.
symlinks are not a userland functionality.
>>53792972
What about the year of the linux desktop? Is that also btfo?
>>53792993
>No, you'd still have NTFS junctions under the hood.
I don't care in the least how it's implemented, all I care about is whether or not I can say "ln -s" at the command prompt and have it create something without having to dick around with UAC or re-launching as admin.
>symlinks are not a userland functionality.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Windows relies heavily on symbolic links, and they've been used by *nix users for decades.
>>53792940
>Will this really be much of use? I cant see any real life use-cases.
I spent years writing god-awful batch files for a fairly complex build environment. I would have given my left nut for a simple, well-documented, tool-rich interpreter like bash.
Then PowerShell came along and fucked everything up for several years.
Now, finally, MS is waking the hell up and doing what they should have done in the late 1990s: just created a bash.
>>53792972
> They announced Microsoft SQL Server for Linux
> and Visual Studio for Linux late last year
> They want to make it easier for people to transition from Linux to Windows
I don't know, the third sentence kinda contradicts with others.
>>53791792
>>running an OS that requires reboots after every little update or uninstall
Oh great, more bloat.
>>53792929
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Windows+fork+slow
http://games.greggman.com/game/why-is-windows-so-slow/
>>53793141
Maybe that Indian guy's secret masterplan is to run Microsoft to the ground and then pull the mask off and reveal that he was Richard Stallman all along?
Anyway, they also released a distro based on Debian too.
>>53793060
I dunno, I don't care. I'm going to still use Linux like I've always done.
>>53793089
>I don't care in the least how it's implemented,
How it is implemented affects how it can be used, anon. Also, this is /g/. You should know, at least on an abstract level, how the different file systems work.
>all I care about is whether or not I can say "ln -s" at the command prompt and have it create something without having to dick around with UAC or re-launching as admin.
If junctions require elevated privileges, then no, you're still going to need UAC.
>I have no idea what you're talking about.
File system links are handled on the file system level, it's not a feature of the userland.
Seriously, did you not take a Intro to Operating Systems class when you went to college?
>>53792993
I've made local hard drives out of folders in other hard disks using symbolic links from a userland program from sysinternals. It definitely uses a driver but it can be operated via userland.
On my desktop running XP back in 2005.
>>53791829
Yes. You literally can. That's literally the fucking point. You literally get all the ubuntu command line userland. Which clearly includes apt.
>>53793234
>i used a program that did a syscall
Well no shit kiddo. But symlinks are still a file system construct. See >>53793210
>>53793262
Not for the windows side though.
>>53791792
>anti-virus
said the company who hides spyware inside security updates, a common virus technique
>anti-phishing
said the company who logs keystrokes and voice input and sends it to microsoft and later to the NSA
>linux terminal
proof that Microsoft devs don't know anything about technology in general when they aren't even able to distinguish a kernel from a shell
Furthermore:
>using windows
leave this board, you're cancer
B O T N E T - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >
O Microsoft is part of NSA's mass surveillance program "PRISM":
T https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
N
E Microsoft informs the NSA about bugs before fixing them:
T https://archive.is/OBGB1
|
| Microsoft openly offeres cloud data to support PRISM:
| https://archive.is/tW6fu
|
| Microsoft has backdoored its disk encryption:
| https://archive.is/2XIvX · https://archive.is/qLRZx
|
| Windows snoops on the users' files, text input, voice input,
| location, contacts, calendar records and web browsing history,
| even after related settings are turned off:
| https://archive.is/Zny36 · https://archive.is/sz1nt
| https://archive.is/g3QdQ · https://archive.is/ko469
|
| A Traffic Analysis of Windows 10:
|
| Keypoints: Windows 10 has a keylogger and uploads all your
| keystrokes every 5 minutes. Everything you type in Edge or
| Cortana is sent to Microsoft, along with any media files it
| finds. When webcam is enabled, 35MB of data goes to Microsoft.
| Even with Cortana disabled/uninstalled, Windows 10 sends all
| microphone audio to Microsoft, when the computer is idle.
| https://archive.is/QnTTA
| https://archive.is/eZKc9
|
| Windows 10 sends desktop screenshots straight to Microsoft:
| https://d2.maxfile.ro/rwspylwbwo.webm
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDeHqiydk4A
|
| Windows 10 scans for illegal/pirated software:
| https://archive.is/vhjwm
| https://archive.is/2jehd
|
| Microsoft proudly presents surveillance statistics:
| https://archive.is/MB0Yy
|
| > Over 82 billion photos viewed.
| > Gamers spent over 4 billion hours playing PC games.
| > 44.5 billion minutes/month spent in Microsoft Edge.
| > Over 2.5 billion questions asked of Cortana since launch.
| > Windows 10 now active on over 200 million devices.
|
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>>53791792
>reinforced concrete
i've never understood that joke
>>53791828
Because some people actually do work on computers.
>>53793380
Maybe it's a pun on the Myminipony 2d minimal edgy colored gui
>>53793210
Why are you so mad that you can use syslinks in usermode just fine?
>>53793322
>>53793298
>tinfoiled Jason Bourne role players
>>53791828
It might be mostly about server side of windows. Who would want bash on windows anyway
>>53791829
apt-get works
>>53793455
>Why are you so mad that you can use syslinks in usermode just fine?
I'm trying to teach you the difference between userland and file system and what makes ext4 different than NTFS and why ext4 symlinks might not just work seamlessly on NTFS, but you are just spouting "lol u mad" memes.
The name "sysinternals" is a fucking give away anon. Your program had to invoke a kernel functionality (through a system call) in order to create a NTFS junction.
http://j00ru.vexillium.org/ntapi/
>>53793477
>tinfoil
That's why Snowden needs to hide.
>>53793477
don't you mean jason bourne-again?
>>53793515
Mati to ty?
>>53792167
Maybe to avoid the shit that is MS spying on you with Win10?
Stop denying it, it's happening to all you fucking cucks.
>>53793620
You know why there are 1000k windows 10 is okay threads? They need to justify themselves.
The windows user logic: If enough people fall for it, one more doesn't matter.
>>53793739
>Hello /g/, I'm a looser
>No problem, anon, I lost too, feeling fine
Weren't wincucks able to install bash before? What's so special about this being built-in?
>>53791828
This.
The only good coming from this is that wincucks will literally run everything they find online, and now we can PWN them with bash scripts too.
>>53793486
it's for devs, primarily web devs. most of them are switching to Macs because Widnows is hard to use.
>>53793789
>and now we can PWN them with bash scripts too.
kek
>>53793789
>crack my knuckles
>actually only two of them can crack
>I'm not sure why, I think it's genetic
I've been there man
>>53793322
Fuck, MS can squeeze 2 1080p full colour images in 1byte. They're truly techno wizards, second only to Russians with hackNSA.bat.
>>53791792
On linux, with my privacy featured enabled by default.
https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2016/C906
Canonical and MS talk about feature and run some commands suggested by the chat
>>53792167
Are the privacy-inducing problems fixed yet?
>>53793851
The wiki article is full of lies too, right? :^)
>>53791951
How do you get this?
I installed Windows 10 and enabled insider builds, but I can't find it.
>>53793515
symlinks works fine on NTFS
>>53791792
Putting gold nuggets in a pile of shit, is still a pile of shit.
no thanks
>>53793620
>>53793905
>google is spying on you
>facebook is spying on you
>your phone is spying on you
>b-but at least my OS isn't spying on me
Linux hypocrisy at it's finest
>>53794248
>don't use google
>don't use facebook
>don't have a phone
Hell, I practically do most of my computing on a fucking PDP-11 through an oscilloscope as my display. Go fuck yourself.
>>53794248
Buddy, this shit is real. Only because it's hardcore doesn't mean it isn't true. Why do you think Snowden needs to hide? Do you even read the news?
>>53794248
>implying
I don't use google, I use searx.
Facebook is normie cancer.
I enjoy my dumbphone.
Debian is the only mature operating system.
>>53794322
Because he leaked top secret documents to the Chinese and Russians?
>>53794248
>google is free
>facebook is free
>android is free
>windows 10 pro is $199
>visual studio (needed for commercial use) is probably way more
When you are being spied on by free stuff thats the compensation you are giving those companies
With microsoft you pay for the product, then they spy on you anyway
>>53794348
This is some special sort of stupity you got there. get help.
>>53794377
Maybe it's a fetish. Many people pay to being dominated/cucked. Pretty normal.
>>53794248
>implying we all use all of that
Also, how is being spied on at the most basic level the same as being spied on by using a service like google search or facebook?
If we pretend that Windows isn't practically software as service now, that is. Hosted on your machine, lol.
>>53794381
So he didn't do that, then?
What is a linux terminal
Do they mean xterm? The poor users
>>53794414
Have you read wikileaks?
>>53791792
> Enjoy improved security om Win10
Ayy lmao senpai
> Uh we now haz em loonix terminal so were cool for all the edging 1337 kiddos
Microsoft now went fully cancer.
They lost against Loonix and now have to implement a shell.
They have lost the phone business against apple.
They've lost the creative ( graphic/video editing etc.) spectrum against apple.
They lost against illegal copies and now have to do 'muh windows as service'.
They lost against free software and developers and now are edging about open source.
And I nit even mentioned that NSA thing
Microsoft has gone kek.
I'll never use that privacy destroying piece of corrupted software again.
Have fun with it anon. Good luck
>>53793789
>remove_telemetry.sh
>sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
>>53792693
>>53793207
Fucking idiot, this isn't cygwin you stupid piece of shit.
They implemented a Linux subsystem in the fucking kernel.
>>53792961
Yes
>>53792436
What the fuck did you do to Cirno!?
>>53793620
Who /nothing to hide/ here?
>cmd in wine since 1993
>linux terminal in windows since 2016
>>53791792
when did linux get btfo? care to expand?
>>53794782
nudists
>>53791792
This has been available for years you dumb fucks. Cygwin is freely available.
Also Windows is a insecure buggy piece of shit.
I have all three major OS's: linux, mac, and windows. Out of all of them windows causes the most trouble.
When will you guys learn that Microsoft makes shit products and people only buy them because they dominated the market for so long.
>>53792256
linuxfags BTFO
>>53794921
A long time ago Microsoft decided that they didn't need to improve there terminal tools for Windos anymore (ie they still you the more pager and no terminal a shitty editor). Then Linux dominated the server and dev worlds because Microsoft felt that GUI was the only way to go. GUI cost overhead, and terminal is easier to manage in a enterprise environment. Now that MS is losing ground in the PC market they are trying to take every market share they can and now offer Bash and some basic Linux tools. They are hoping that Dev's will port server tools over to their platform, which they wont, because why would they?
You can read what they've done here: http://www.eteknix.com/microsoft-demo-linux-bash-terminal-on-windows-10/
>>53795233
They are unable to communicate with women, so they get dominated by the market to realize their cuckold fantasies.
>>53793262
Stop using the word literally in every single sentence like a pre-teen.
>You literally get all the ubuntu command line
Especially where you're just blatantly wrong.
so far the only arguments i've seen in this thread are:
>muh ricing
>muh kernel
>muh freedom
is that really all you've got? god damn, i'm starting to think linux is dead.
>winfags whine how their OS doesn't need a terminal, and it's too complicated, and only autists use it
>first thing they copy from Linux: the terminal
There's nothing wrong with admitting you were wrong, kids.
>>53794921
Just a winkid utilising all his 3 brain cells for critical reasoning
>>53795413
agree. they obviously have no idea what they are talking about
>>53795478
You're right. How about this, we'll borrow your terminal and you can borrow our ability to see thumbnails :^]
>>53793262
you are retarded and just spraying words out. please fuck off this website
>>53795516
At least try using a meme from this year and that isn't entirely false, anon. Every single DE has thumbnails.
>>53795544
What's the newest meme
>>53795478
same guy from >>53795442 here.
m8, i'm no windows fag. i've been using gnu/linux for probably longer than anyone itt, but there's no shame in admitting that windows is my OS of choise when i just need to get shit done. i use my computer to be productive. OS is a tool. i use linux as a tool when i need to - mostly it's fantastic command line tools (shells, package managers, dev tools, anything CLI really).
i believe that most people get into linux for that exact reason - to be productive. now that you can do the same things without rebooting or using a VM, why bother?
(this is, assuming microsoft gets it right and we'll be able to seamless get linux binaries to just werk)
>>53791951
And? That is still separate from Windows. You can do "apt-get install git" which will install git in the Ubuntu part. You CANNOT do something like "apt-get purge internet-explorer."
>>53795565
>now that you can do the same things without rebooting or using a VM, why bother?
A huge part of my productivity involves keyboard shorcuts for launchers and things like that, plus a good terminal (adding bash to whateverthefuck isn't enough). I can't have that in Windows.
Plus, what the hell, 20GB for a stock OS? Is this a joke? I know this sounds like nostalgia, but XP was the last good Windows. If MS released XP with DirectX 12 I'd use it.
>>53795560
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/san-francisco-state-university-dreadlocks-controversy
White guilt, yo.
Oh, wow. It's an isolated Ubuntu-like environment with practically no integration with the rest of the OS. It's basically a glorified VM. It's fucking nothing.
>>53795657
What do dreadlocks have to do with Windows or Linux
>>53795661
Fucking this.
I don't get what all you Wintards are getting hyped about.
>>53791860
>>53791860
>>53791951
>>53793262
>>53793491
You guys must be the most retarded posters on /g/. I can't even believe you bother coming here. It's insulting to everything this board stands for.
Now listen closely, little children who only know what Techcrunch.com tells them: apt-get upgrade will not upgrade Windows 10 - it will only upgrade the userland packages for the Linux system in Windows.
There. Is that clarified? Do you think you can run Unity in Windows 10 now? Are you that much of a baby? Please, just leave.
Forever. There's nothing good about your technological input. You don't have any. You never will. You're mindless smartphone consuming drones with a lack of understanding even on the most basic levels. You are tantamount to idiots. Dolts. Simpletons. Naivetes. Plebian. Rubes. Rudiments. You're elementary and you don't belong here. Go. Forever.
>>53795728
To be fair, they only said apt works, which is true. No one said "it will work in the same as it does in Ubuntu".
>>53795755
If this counts as apt-get working, then running apt-get in a VM also counts. apt-get is still working in Ubuntu-land with pretty much no interaction with Windows.
>>53791792
>normie reads "Linux terminal" and is baffled
>"I couldn't possibly want this I don't know about this Linux"
>>53795794
Basically that, yes. There's not much difference between this and a VM except it runs on powershell I guess.
No one cares about this.
>>53795830
>what is a developer feature
>>53795840
>not much difference between this and a VM
Wow, you're dumb. It's native.
>>53795867
Oh so apt-get is running directly on the Windows kernel?
>>53795867
So? What difference does that make in usage? 10% better performance?
It's native, but is not more closely integrated with Windows than a normal VM.
I wonder if I could use vim properly under Windows now.
It was pretty fucked up if used over cygwin in cmd
>>53791792
playing windows 7
>>53791829
https://chocolatey.org/
>>53793789
i think the only difference is that now the support is more comfy and official.
>>53795916
Don't know how good it will be but yes you can. They used emacs on the conference.
>>53794248
>Linux hypocrisy at it's finest
Not exactly. Some people found a more respectful alternative on the desktop side, the same can happen to android and facebook. Simple, you get an overall better offer with better terms you take it.
>Micropajeet Winshit 10 needs to emulate Linux to be competitive on development and servers
LOOOOOOOOL
>>53794782
so you don't care that people can recollect private info about you without guarantees?
>>53793210
>How it is implemented affects how it can be used, anon.
Uh, yeah, for some completely arbitrary meaning of implementation and usage. Seriously, could you talk *around* an issue with any more condescension, yet without providing *any* value whatsoever?
> Also, this is /g/. You should know, at least on an abstract level, how the different file systems work.
What makes you think I don't?
>If junctions require elevated privileges, then no, you're still going to need UAC.
Given that I could easily write a 'service' that would create symlinks for non-elevated clients, no, your statement is just wrong, dumb, and useless. In fact, you don't know a goddamn thing about this new Winbash, but you're damned well going to try and be snotty about it, aren't you?
>File system links are handled on the file system level, it's not a feature of the userland.
So, again, irrelevant...?
>>53795329
It's not about having a gui or not, MS tools in that regards has been inferior and restrictive in most cases compared to the alternatives.
>>53795442
>muh ricing
>muh kernel
>muh freedom
Those are things that is not good to disregard though
>>53795233
>I have all three major OS's: linux, mac, and windows. Out of all of them windows causes the most trouble.
Weird. I have the most trouble with Linux. Like that week where my audio stopped working. I had to unplug my external USB "sound card" after booting up, then plug it back in. Awhile later I did an update and the problem went away.
Or how Bluetooth support is beyond retarded. System arbitrarily didn't find the Bluetooth dongle? When you try to open the Bluetooth window, it fucks itself up and renders some tiny portion of a window, with no error message. Unplug and replug the dongle and bam, now you can access the Bluetooth setup windows.
Everything is so fucking janky on Linux. It's great for servers and absolutely appalling for doing any real-world work (outside of maybe ops).
>>53795657
>A huge part of my productivity involves keyboard shorcuts for launchers and things like that,
Ironically, I can't get the keyboard shortcuts that I want in Linux. There are a million programs for customizing and adding utility to Windows. Between the variety and configurability, you can get what you want. Compare that to Linux where you ask for a program that does X and snotty kids tell you to go write it yourself.
> plus a good terminal (adding bash to whateverthefuck isn't enough). I can't have that in Windows.
I bet you're complaining about the terminal window itself, and that you're completely ignorant of ConEmu. Anyone with half a brain who does any command line work whatsoever has been running ConEmu for quite awhile now.
>>53795661
>>53795718
>I don't get what all you Wintards are getting hyped about.
Because you don't understand what it is.
It's not a VM. It's not a "glorified VM". You two are idiots.
>>53796249
>Ironically, I can't get the keyboard shortcuts that I want in Linux.
Are you serious? You can bind any shortcut you want to execute any command you want.
>>53796260
'Course it is. It runs natively, but that doesn't mean it is used any differently than a VM. It's still an isolated system.
It serves exactly the same purpose as a VM. It's just be slightly more efficient.
>>53796271
Show me how to configure a set of keys to move the active window to one of several pre-determined slots.
e.g. Ctrl-Alt-O moves the window to the top, right quarter. Hitting it again moves it to the top 50%, right 33%, hitting it again moves it to the top 50%, right 25%, again for top 25%, right 25%, and again cycles back to the top, right quarter.
After you show me that handy, configurable utility, please show me what has the equivalent functionality to AutoHotkey.
>>53796290
>It's still an isolated system.
Yeah, pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about.
It's not an isolated system at all.
>>53791792
>you don't get reinforced concrete because it's blasted by shit
>>53796290
it's not isolated system stupid, it shares everything including filesystem, localhost, ports
>>53796118
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, Windows/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Windows plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Windows system made useful by the NT corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by Microsoft. Many computer users run a modified version of the Windows system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Windows which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Windows system, developed by Microsoft. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. NT is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the Windows operating system: the whole system is basically Windows with Linux added, or Windows/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of Windows/Linux.
>>53796171
for most people, this is insignificant
>>53795910
>i didn't watch any conference, don't understand shit at all so just gonna talk out of my ass to defend linux
>>53795910
>It's native, but is not more closely integrated with Windows than a normal VM.
Are you guys really this dumb, or are you trollin'? I want to say you're trolling, but I honestly just don't have that much faith in /g/ anymore...
Get hyped for Microsoft's Unix-like operating system
Kernel will not be open-source but userspace will be completely open-source and maintained by Microsoft, hardware vendors and other partners etc
it will run most apps from Windows Store perfectly fine - it will also be loaded with some tools ensuring partial legacy compatibility with Windows, mainly targeted for business/enterprise users and administrators
it will have Linux binary compatibility, just something like in FreeBSD
there will be a custom display server inspired by Wayland but nothing is certain here - and completely custom desktop environment resembling that one from Windows with Metro UI
>>53794315
>snowden revealed that prism surveillance is at ISP level
>I don't use anything! Not even the internet!
>>53794377
>have problem with windows 10/visual studio
>10 pajeets on the line waiting to help you with your fucktarded problem.
>have problem with osx
>thanks for calling applecare that'll be $99.99 would you like to have extra extended warranty for 6 months for $60?
>have problem with linux
>look at 10 year old forum posts with same issue with no replies
>>53796629
>We will get it right this time, folks, honest.
How long will it take? Another decade or two?
>>53795728
I am totally going to use those last two lines as some dank copypasta; maybe tweak it a bit so it's also relevant on /mu/
thanks senpai
>>53796387
Most people are stupid, they listen to rap and are okay with their government shitting on their everyday life. Why should we care what "most people" think?
>>53796833
yes, your anime OST's are miles ahead of rap music. Also you'd be surprised how many people DON'T know that windows 10 is spying on them
>>53795728
>Now listen closely, little children who only know what Techcrunch.com tells them: apt-get upgrade will not upgrade Windows 10 - it will only upgrade the userland packages for the Linux system in Windows.
Did this dude actually just talk shit to people under the assumption that *they thought* apt-get would upgrade Windows itself?
I mean, really? How did you manage to project that stupidity onto any of the posters you're referencing?
>>53791792
So this is basically just a mini-Ubuntu in a VM on Windows?
What is so special about this exactly?
>>53794315
just don't slip on your own shit in whatever kind of faraday cage you're in
>>53792167
>So now there are literally no reasons to use Linux.
I wouldn't trust my server with Windows.
>>53797045
its not VM
microshit wrote a reverse-Wine for native GNU/Linux binaries
>>53791858
I plan to switch to windows 10 around 2020 which will be around then they fixed w10
>>53796196
Recompile the kernel with proper Bluetooth driver
>>53797287
By that time W10 will probably be deprecated and you will be forced to update again :^)
>>53794675
Yes.....
And the issue is that windows spawns processes slowly....
Which will still be a problem, because they are still going to need to make new processes, as when a program calls fork it expects to get one.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+does+windows+spawn+processes+slowly
Any program that spawns a lot of processes is going to spawn them a lot slower on windows.
Doesn't matter if it's cygwin, a true native program, or native binary running through translation layer. Only way to fix it is to rewrite the utils to spawn less processes.
Learn 2 google before you go mouthing off like an idiot.
>>53791792
Where were you when win shills all committed suicide because they realized how worthless they were?
>>53796308
As soon as you show me a way to get windows to recognize separate mice separately, and let me give them separate settings. Or to get middle click by pressing both left + right button down.
There are autohotkey scripts for it, all of them have a major bug.
Also when someone says go program it yourself, a lot of times that's because it's a simple bash script to manipulate X a little bit.
xdotool is great for this, I wanted a tool to do something similar, center my mouse with a keyboard shortcut.
Wound up being as easy as#!/bin/bash
xdotool mousemove --polar 120 1000
XDotool can get you the current window, and has the window move option, so after a minute scrolling down the man page....xdotool getactivewindow windowmove 100 100 # Moves to 100,100
xdotool getactivewindow windowmove x 100 # Moves to x,100
xdotool getactivewindow windowmove 100 y # Moves to 100,y
xdotool getactivewindow windowmove 100 y # Moves to 100,y
Tweak those values until liking, and bind em to keys.
In my experience, these things work a lot more reliably, and are a lot simpler to code than fucking with autohotkey.
Anyway, it seems like what you're asking for is a tiling window manager.
>>53797596
Oh, you want to cycle it also.
That's still pretty easy, just hard code an array of positions, get the current window position with xdotool, find which position in the array the current window position matches up with, increment that position one (wrap if needed), set window to that position. Plenty of ways to do that.
>>53791792
So how is this any better (or even equally "good") than cygwin? It looks like just some stupid project that Microsoft did to improve their public image, which after two pathetic Windows releases is quiet terrible.
>>53797442
but fork spawns threads on WSL you donut
>>53798123
And until windows gets faster at making those threads, it'll be an issue.
>>53797772
>which after two pathetic Windows releases is quiet terrible.
Only two?
Anons, win10 linux or Mac, Android winPhone iOs, whatever, all OS can a IP adress to conect internet and this IP register your global position and save your searchs on google, bing, facebook and others websites. Linux is a false security.
>>53794248
Are you OK with your own OS *spying* on you?
>b-but i have nothing to hide
Might as well give me everything you have, even your name and your address.
>>53796629
>Kernel will not be open-source
Dropped.
>>53791792
What is the purpose?
No longer need to use a VM? "Anti virus tech" is a little dubious, so are the other security mentions. Is MSE further improved, will MS finally out perform 3rd party virus, rootkit, PUP, malware protection?
>>53793405
I'm sorry I don't understand. Windows is the antithesis of "doing work," it is designed to restrict you and prevent you from accomplishing things.
>>53793322
implying windows 10 users give a shit about bash or any of the security concerns mentioned here.
>>53791792
Enjoy your spyware, faggot. If I want to use Linux I'll use Linux, not NSA/GNU/Windows.
>>53795728
rude, many rude
https://sourceforge.net/projects/xming/
https://github.com/dokan-dev/dokan-sshfs
we hot shit now?
I was using linux on windows before it was cool
>>53792724
let stop deferring updates you fucking rhomboid
you were warned multiple times
>>53797596
>As soon as you show me
No, faggot, you said Linux supported it, so prove it or shut up.
>Also when someone says go program it yourself, a lot of times that's because it's a simple
That may occasionally be true, but far more often it's because (just like you) they don't know and they don't want to acknowledge their lack of knowledge. So, instead they just spout some smarmy shit about writing it yourself.
The Linux community is toxic and unproductive as fuck. Ubuntu's forums are the only saving grace.
>it seems like what you're asking for is a tiling window manager.
It seems like that because you don't understand what I very clearly described.
>>53798814
>" it is designed to restrict you and prevent you from accomplishing things.
Uh. Windows has Microsoft Office, which is the greatest business productivity suite, and likely itself responsible for 90% of the productivity and potential gains from IT in corporations.
>>53798814
It's designed to make money so people can't steal your work.
This is what freedomfags don't get. Nothing is truly free. In order for something to exist, something else must be taken away, always.
>>53792724
You sound like the dipshit devs I work with who accidentally shit over live code since my boss won't let me lock them out. Try restarting your computer sometime, you fuck.
ITT: winfags trying to defend a glorified VM.
>b-but it's integrated
OK, who cares? You can't fork for shit on Windows. Also, nobody made a single argument why you would use this rather than normal Linux distro?
I get the feeling that this is basically done to stop millennial gaymer developers from being bullied and shamed by their grown-up colleagues.
I don't get why Microsoft is trying to keep all of its territory instead of specializing at being the original SteamOS with Office and CAD that it is?
They are trying to make all "computer things" experienced through their one system and it always turns out goofy. It shows how old-fashioned they are.
>>53800729
Nice religious belief, fag. You can create proprietary cuckware on Linux too, and it's a much more productive environment. If you really believe coding cuckware is the only way to make money in IT.
Who here switching back to windows?
Ahahahah windows is even more clunky that before, two desktops, 3 terminals, 7 contextual menus ZEHAHAHAH
lincucks don goofed
>>53801900
>linux
>much more productive environment
Linux is just a kernel.
The GNU user-land (which I assume you meant) does not have good IDE's or debuggers like Windows does with Visual Studio.
>-You see all that RAM ?
>-We're going to waste it
>-Also enjoy having 30.000 garbage collectors
Nowaday a C64 feel faster than any monster computer with 978458 Petaflop of RAM.
>>53792033
savage af
does this mean windows will rice?????????????????
>>53801900
>grown-up
>uses a hobbyist OS
OSX is the only correct choice for a grown-up development environment
>>53791792
> april fools!
>>53803962
>we're going to waste it
Unused RAM doesnt magically make your system faster.
So basically they are just adding the terminal. Linux still has its way with customization and ease of use. Fagsoft realised that they couldnt win so they took bash. All windows can say for itself at this point is that it is the gaming platform, nothing more nothing less.
>>53804023
>Linux
>ease of use
This is what freetards actually believe
>>53804023
Are you trolling or just stupid? Why are you faggots so retarded?
>So basically they are just adding the terminal.
They are adding the userspace to Windows, it will be built directly into the kernel.
> Linux still has its way with customization and ease of use.
Most of which is done in userspace
>Fagsoft realised that they couldnt win so they took bash.
By that you mean partnered with Canonical?
>All windows can say for itself at this point is that it is the gaming platform, nothing more nothing less
gb2vpls
Is nobody here seeing the benefits of this? Being able to do at least 80% of linux tasks that are done with the GNU coreutils is very advantageous to devs/net/sysadmins everywhere. Having it be supported directly by microsoft, instead of it being a 3rd party option like Cygwin is great step forward.
>>53804023
>All windows can say for itself at this point is that it is the gaming platform, nothing more nothing less.
That must be why 99% of desktops are running Linux right now.
>>53794921
When he visit Brussels last month.
>>53791792
>Microsoft pulls up a smart move invading macbook market share
>people think this is somewhat related to a fucking kernel
>>53795233
don't even compare native support with cygwin you friggin' moron
Why does 4chan look like utter shit all of a sudden?
>>53801900
>Glorified VM
You mean built into the kernel? Learn to read you faggot.
>You can't fork for shit on Windows.
During the demo they explicitly said Forking would be possible under the subsystem
>I get the feeling that this is basically done to stop millennial gaymer developers from being bullied and shamed by their grown-up colleagues.
The most retarded thing I've heard all morning, and I read this whole thread.
>I don't get why Microsoft is trying to keep all of its territory instead of specializing at being the original SteamOS with Office and CAD that it is?
Because developers use Windows for more than just those 3 applications. Also
>Original SteamOS
>They are trying to make all "computer things" experienced through their one system and it always turns out goofy. It shows how old-fashioned they are.
What does that even fucking mean? Make all "computer things" experienced through one system? Is that not the point? How does adding a feature equate to being old fashioned?
>Nice religious belief, fag. You can create proprietary cuckware on Linux too, and it's a much more productive environment. If you really believe coding cuckware is the only way to make money in IT.
>and it's a much more productive environment.
And that's your subjective opinion, interestingly enough, Microsoft is adding this subsystem to do just that. Make Windows a more productive environment to those of us in IT that are used to GNU coreutils.
>>53804156
APRIR FOOR
DID JU RIKE IT?
>>53804156
Moot plz
>>53804078
It's a step forward towards destroying Windows, for sure.
Eventually they are going to include everything they can into their cuckOS until there's only kernel left and somebody will say: "Why are we paying for this, again? They are only adding spyware functionality."
Linux has nothing to worry about. Just watch and LOL at Microsoft, as always.
>>53792256
Do you use a phone? Forget the android and kernel meme. Your fucking processor is designed under a Linux based os using tools you probably never heard of, designed to run on linux, made by other big partner companies.
Fucking condescendant prick.
>>53804156
Dunno, but it made me reset my settings on 4chanX and oneechan
What stupid bullshit
how do i get this css for everything
>>53804300
>Eventually they are going to include everything they can into their cuckOS
Include what else? A BSD subsystem? The tools are already similar enough that there would be no point. A Linux subsystem is all it needs to get the best of both worlds without visualization.
>until there's only kernel left
You show a gross lack of understanding of how an operating system works and how this subsystem is implemented.
mfw linux terminal is windows's new buzzword
>>53791792
gnu/nsa confirmed
>>53802840
Sad though it sounds, I am upgrading to Windows 10. I am fucking fed up with cygwin and cmd.
>>53791792
It was like 2004,
I got a new laptop and I wanted to put slackware on it, naturally. I had some good linux knowledge up to that point.
So I started to install linux, recompiling the kernel, trying to find drivers for literally everything ,editing conf files with pico etc.
Next thing I knew, 9 hours later and I am still struggling to make the damn printer and camera work.
FUCK - THIS - SHIT
I returned back to windows XP.
Everything works.
Every hardware is compatible with Windows.
FUCK. LINUX.
Linux for servers.
Windows for desktops.
Answer to every "Linux vs Windows thread."
It doesn't mean that Windows is better than linux but Windows has a bigger community which means more support for driver and more software. And it's the go-to operating system. You tell the average joe about linux and he'll probably say "Is it some new Windows?".
