I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Windows, is in fact, NSA/Windows, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, NSA plus Windows. Windows is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another expenseive component of a fully functioning Spy system made useful by the NSA core-spyware, reverse shell utilities and vital keylogging components comprising a full botnet as defined by Gen. J. Clapper. Many computer users run a modified version of the botnet system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of spyware which is widely used today is often called “Windows”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the NSA system, developed by the NSA. There really is a Windows, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Windows is the cover: the program in the system that hides the spying resources from the other programs that you run. The cover is an essential part of a botnet, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete botnet. Windows is normally used in combination with the NSA spyware: the whole system is basically botnet with Windows added, or NSA/Windows. All the so-called “Windows” versions are really versions of NSA/Windows
>>53728698
>windows is not an operating system unto itself
change that to windows 10 next time you post it
polite sage ;)
>>53728698
kek
>>53728714
>he uses outdated windows
reported to the NSA through facebook for subversive activity
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>>53728698
If my new laptop comes with windows 10 can I install windows 8.1 over it?
>>53728756
Install gentoo on it
>>53728698
>>53728698
Us Redditors have to stick together and let everyone know the glory that is GNU/Linux. Fuck Windows 10!
*tips fedora*
>>53728698
Jesus Christ what a shitpost. Windows 10 doesn't spy on you. There is no botnet either. It's the most secure operating system you can use at the moment. What the fuck is wrong with you people and your paranoia? What possible reason could Microsoft have to "spy" on you and your boring life.
>>53728698
Windows 10 is free and great, and the privacy issues are way overblown.
>>53728698
Nice meme bro, but that's straight up paranoia. Microsoft has zero reason to spy on you, they just want to gather a small amount of info to improve their products. You can also disable all the telemetry if you want.
>>53728907
fake picture
>>53728756
Why would you want to do that? Windows 10 is better in almost every way.
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>>53729027
how much do they pay you, pajeet?
>>53729001
>Windows 10 doesn't spy on you. There is no botnet either.
Then you should be allowed to turn the updates and """"telemetry"""" completely off. But MS won't let you. Gee, wonder why.
>What possible reason could Microsoft have to "spy" on you and your boring life.
I wonder why Google wants to know every single website I visit online, along with everywhere I go IRL, the full content of all my emails, everyone I talk to online, and plenty of other stuff besides. But they do. And I don't want to let them have that information for the same reason I don't want MS having a complete record of when I use my computer, what applications I run and what I do in them, in addition to everywhere I go online and etc. Namely because even if they're trustworthy now (which I don't believe they are, but for the sake of argument..) they might not be in the future. The only way to defend against that, given that they never forget, is to never give them the data.
>>53728698
Stop spreading all this misinformation. Windows 10 doesn't have any "spyware" and all the data gathering can be disabled.
>>53729062
But they can be disabled. Again you probably never used Windows 10 to appreciate it, so stop posting your bullshit. It's free and great and many people agree with me too.
>>53729078
You're wrong. It cannot be disabled in consumer versions.
>>53729088
>But they can be disabled
explain this, Pajeet. Turn on all the privacy settings, and it still makes dozens of connections to MS IPs. Even when you're not doing anything that should access the internet at all.
>>53728698
You do realize all the so called "spy" stuff can be disabled, right?
>>53729092
That's from the release preview. Again, there is no actual "spying" in Windows 10, only baseless paranoia from idiots who never even used it.
>>53729101
Random ssl traffic to check for updates now = spyware? The fact of the matter is you're just a paranoid idiot and a giant tool who doesn't posses even the most basic networking knowledge.
>>53728698
lol you're just a paranoid retard. All the spyware stuff is super overexaggerated.
>>53729122
Note how there's another packet sent out with each new screen he looks at in the settings app. That's not random update checking. Update checking would be happening when the machine is idle. That's the PC phoning home to say "The user looked at this screen". Microsoft shouldn't get to watch me like that just because I use their OS.
>>53729045
>someone actually went through the trouble to create the paranoid retardation image
>>53729143
Do you have any actual proof to back those ridiculously paranoid, outlandish, and impossible claims you are making? Nope, because they are false. There is no spying in Windows 10, paranoid idiots like you post their stupid shit all day, but not even once can you come up with any actual proof. There is no spying in windows 10, only paranoia. Why don't you stop your retarded shitposting and leave this board to people who actually know a thing or two about technology.
>>53729122
>ssl traffic
Where do you get your buzzwords?
>>53729161
>someone actually shills for Microsoft, presumably for free
Windows 10 ships with default settings that show no regard for the privacy of its users, giving Microsoft the “right” to snoop on the users' files, text input, voice input, location info, contacts, calendar records and web browsing history, as well as automatically connecting the machines to open hotspots and showing targeted ads. https://web.archive.org/web/20151001035410/https://jonathan.porta.codes/2015/07/30/windows-10-seems-to-have-some-scary-privacy-defaults/
Windows 10 sends identifiable information to Microsoft, even if a user turns off its Bing search and Cortana features, and activates the privacy-protection settings. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
Microsoft uses Windows 10's “privacy policy” to overtly impose a “right” to look at users' files at any time. Windows 10 full disk encryption gives Microsoft a key. https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/
Thus, Windows is overt malware in regard to surveillance, as in other issues.
We can suppose Microsoft look at users' files for the US government on demand, though the “privacy policy” does not explicit say so. Will it look at users' files for the Chinese government on demand?
>>53729180
The unique “advertising ID” for each user enables other companies to track the browsing of each specific user.
It's as if Microsoft has deliberately chosen to make Windows 10 maximally evil on every dimension; to make a grab for total power over anyone that doesn't drop Windows now.
Windows 10 requires users to give permission for total snooping, including their files, their commands, their text input, and their voice input. http://www.techworm.net/2014/10/microsofts-windows-10-permission-watch-every-move.html
Spyware in Windows: Windows Update snoops on the user. Windows 8.1 snoops on local searches. And there's a secret NSA key in Windows, whose functions we don't know. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/28/windows_update_keeps_tabs/ http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/look-the-black-underbelly-of-windows-81-blue-222175 http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article40836.html
Microsoft SkyDrive allows the NSA to directly examine users' data. http://www.itproportal.com/2014/05/14/microsoft-openly-offered-cloud-data-fbi-and-nsa/
>There are people in /g/ RIGHT NOW who are defending spyware controversy in wangblows 10
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>>53729189
Nice clickbait articles, but they are still exaggerated and mostly false. I don't get paid to "shill" for anyone, I just can't stand people posting blatantly false information and stirring feat into people, all in a pathetic attempt to feel self-important like they are helping someone or something.
>>53729206
fear*
>>53729206
here's some more sources if you dismiss a bunch of major tech news sites out of hand:
Microsoft has already backdoored its disk encryption. https://theintercept.com/2015/12/28/recently-bought-a-windows-computer-microsoft-probably-has-your-encryption-key/
Microsoft Windows has a universal back door through which any change whatsoever can be imposed on the users. http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201806263
More information on when this was used. http://slated.org/windows_by_stealth_the_updates_you_dont_want
In Windows 10, the universal back door is no longer hidden; all “upgrades” will be forcibly and immediately imposed. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/windows-10-updates-to-be-automatic-and-mandatory-for-home-users/
Windows 8 also has a back door for remotely deleting apps. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2500036/desktop-apps/microsoft--we-can-remotely-delete-windows-8-apps.html
You might well decide to let a security service that you trust remotely deactivate programs that it considers malicious. But there is no excuse for deleting the programs, and you should have the right to decide who (if anyone) to trust in this way.
Windows 8's back doors are so gaping that the German government has decided it can't be trusted. http://drleonardcoldwell.com/2013/08/23/leaked-german-government-warns-key-entities-not-to-use-windows-8-linked-to-nsa/
ebin
where can I get MS-DOS 2016 edition?
>>53729206
>>53729211
The level of damage control is overwhelming
>>53729203
being this faggot
>There are people in /g/ RIGHT NOW who are defending spyware controversy in wangblows 10
it's because they have life and something to do
>>53729206
If you don't like the term "spying" than call it whatever but Windows 10 is competely backwards in regards to privacy.
>>53729212
Again you post more clickbait, sensationalized articles that have ZERO proof of this so called "spying." Are you really this pathetic? You gather and label all this bullshit ,isleading clickbait trash to use it in "arguments" that you have no actual way to prove because they are completely false?
>>53729225
>They approve of spyware because they have something to do
Nice try justifying your spyware 10
>>53729228
I hate to burst your bubble but it's 2016. People use the internet for almost everything they do. Crying about Microsoft wanting a samll bit of info on how you use your computer to help improve their products in laughable. Microsoft were nice enough to let paranoids like you also disable all the minimal data gathering, but you still whine like crybabies. Let's also not forget the fact that Windows 10 is FREE and a very decent operating system.
>>53729252
Leaving aside the fact that you refuse to admit that you're wrong, and Microsoft gathers data whether you want it to or not, why should Microsoft get to see anything I do on my computer, for any purpose?
Linux is also a FREE (both as in gratis and as in libre) OS, and it obviously doesn't need to collect my keystrokes in order to be such.
>>53729231
Define spying
>>53729280
It's also full of bugs, security issues, low quality code, and has barely any drivers or programs for it. But I'll let you persist in your deluded ramblings.
>>53729252
I hate to burst your bubble but people don't get an OS to help a company out, they just want to use their computer. It's laughable that I even have to disable it at all.
Win 10 is only gratis if you already have a licensed Windows version, that's like calling a update free.
>>53729307
kek good luck doing that with your crippled linux distributions.
>>53729320
I'm actually doing good thanks. Have you ever used a linux distribution? What did you not like?
>>53729297
Which is why it runs the vast majority of the world's web servers, that have to resist attacks 24/7, right?
Also, answer the other point. Microsoft has absolutely no justifiable reason for wanting to know who I am or what I use my computer for. Why do they even ask?
>but they need that to improve their software!
No they don't. Software has existed for a lot longer than always-on internet connections, and it still got improved. Bugs still got fixed and features still got added and new versions still came out, despite the team writing the software having no real data about how it was used, only information from people who chose to report bugs, or post publicly about what they did with the software.
>>53728698
Saved.
But honestly, as a Windowstard. I really don't care, and couldn't care enough to be even slightly triggered by this.
>>53729345
i guess you forgot about heartbleed, shellshock, and thousands of other vulnerabilities that rarely get patched,.
>>53729358
Why are you giving in to botnet?
>>53729365
What alternative did MS give in regards to Open SSL?
>>53729376
Windows has ssl already included in the operating system. Not that it is comparable in this instance.
>>53729358
I don't mind Windows users at all but this one guy ITT is getting ridiculous.
Windows would be a quite decent OS if Microsoft spent their time actually improving it instead of shilling and trying to justify why it has to spy everything you do.
>>53729358
You should care. Read this image: >>53729062
>>53729365
All software has bugs. In Linux-land they're disclosed and patched. Microsoft doesn't even give patch notes for updates anymore. They issue updates and don't tell you what they do. On Linux you can install alternative SSL libraries. Pretty much any component of the system can be swapped out, if one of them is insecure. Microsoft doesn't give you that choice. You don't get to know how the OS works, or what flaws it has. They don't tell you.
Also, you still haven't told me, why should Microsoft get to have a record of who I am and what I do on my computer?
>>53729388
Yeah, MS came up with MS14-066.
>windows 10
>photoshop, sony vegas, ableton
>literally make money using it, it just works
>linux
>dead piece of shit for phones and servers
Why should I use linux again?
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>>53729231
lets face it bradeep, your kids are eating ox shit for dinner tonight
>>53729442
It's simple. Sony vegas' availability is not /g/'s concern.
Try another board. Good luck with your youtube channel
>>53729442
>dead piece of shit for phones and servers
So a dead piece of shit that's widely used?
Use whatever you want but don't pretend MS are saints because they are letting you run photoshop.
>>53729442
>baby duck syndrome
>being completely ignorant of GNU software that does the same or similar things and can be used professionally (movie studios have made major movies using GNU)
Goddamn it, Microsoft shills, I told you: Leave.
>By default, when signing into Windows with a Microsoft account, Windows syncs some of your settings and data with Microsoft servers, for example “web browser history, favorites, and websites you have open” as well as “saved app, website, mobile hotspot, and Wi-Fi network names and passwords”. Users can however deactivate this transfer to the Microsoft servers by changing their settings.
Why is this even a thing? What the fuck?
>>53729534
>GNU software that does the same or similar things
>>53729534
>can be used professionally
>>53729575
>replying with a stupid picture instead of an actual argument
Looks like I win by default again. You make it so easy, shills. You just give up and prove I'm right by not actually having an argument.
>>53729575
Epic meme xD
>>53729598
>argument
there is no argument here, only comedy
you didn't exactly post any proof either, so I don't know what you're getting at
linux is a joke for people doing actual work
no ms office, no quickbooks, no photoshop, no drivers, no actual support, it's all a big joke.
>>53729610
I bet you're now going to suggest wine and some other shitty virtualization meme in response to this. Lol the linux fedora nerds are so predictable.
>2016
>people think they can get good software without paying for it
>>53729653
Windows 10 is actually FREE, so the freetards literally have no excuse anymore.
>>53729610
Oh look, another shill cornered by evidence and ignoring given evidence to make themselves look good. If you're so goddamn dense to believe that GNU doesn't have any software that fills those purposes, you're either a liar or so dumb I'm surprised you're able to post on 4chan.
You're likely a paid shill, and I've told you over and over that we've exposed you, there's no point in continuing, your trolling bonus is no more because you've been exposed, and please leave.
>>53729188
>protocol tls1.2
>>>>>>>>where do you get your buzzwords
holy shit get the fuck off of /g/
>>53729666
lol i can feel your fedora nerd rage through the screen
so where's this so called "evidence" of yours you keep mindlessly rambling about? The fact of the matter is if you to run a real business and do actual work, you use an operating system that has actual support. You don't run some shitty hobbyist operating system that has practically 0 support for most mainstream company software.
>>53729666
And you're some cancerous paranoid redditor who uses double spacing in their paragraphs like all faggots from reddit do.
>>53729695
Call Red Hat. They'll be happy to sell your business a support contract for they're Linux systems. They've been around for a few decades, so apparently plenty of people take them up on that.
>>53729681
Some word I don't understand = buzzword for all the paranoid idiots out there.
>>53729695
If you to run a real business and do actual work, you don't want ANYBODY to access your "actual work" stuff, so you keep the hell out of spyware OS.
But Windows 10 is great for hobbyists who just use their computers to shitpost, tho.
>>53729730
>used by less than 1% of companies, and mostly for servers only
>mainstream and decent support
>>53729735
You do realize that the USA government also use Windows right? The whole spying thing is a giant paranoia created by people who have very little technical knowledge and only know how to spout copy-pasted nonsense and 0 actual evidence.
>>53729662
Free upgrade retard
>>53729755
>You do realize that the USA government also use Windows right?
Do you realize that the North Korean Government uses Red Star OS? That means Red Star OS isn't full of spyware?
>>53729681
You fucking missed the point by a mile you computer illiterate piece of shit. Fuck off
>>53729731
Same goes for you, semen licking faggot
>>53729778
>the fedora nerd gets triggered when he gets exposed for the unknowledgeable tool he really is.
>>53729777
Means they use it to prevent data leakage. Microsoft listens to the NSA, reason why russian army moved to Linux
>>53729807
Even the government isn't as paranoid as you. Stop acting like a retard, this is a technology board ffs.
>>53729877
Literally why would your government be afraid of YOUR own secret service, retard?
>shilling lincucks so hard
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>>53729877
pozzin as all fuck
Holy shit you autists take this shit seriously kik
>linux
enjoy ur bulgarian botnet
>times Windows has been proven to use data maliciously: 0
>times /g/ has used the word "botnet": 38921567292
>>53728962
![red-star-3-2015-01-02-13-50-04[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/WXtXdHD.png "red-star-3-2015-01-02-13-50-04[1].png")
evening /g/
I've just purchased a 2 in 1 inspiron which naturally is a touchscreen.
I would like to make the switch to a decent linux distro but I'm concerned about wasting the touch potential, support etc.
What are the most stable choices here?
Or alternatively should I just do an enterprise install of win10 so I disable the botnet
>>53729965
>Forcefully gathering data is not a malicious use
>>53729981
Red Star OS
>>53729965
>times Windows has been proven to use data maliciously: 0
>times the Stasi had been proven to use data maliciously: 0
>>53729534
>this is what freetards believe
>>53729971
>>53730006 (Samecuck)
Get out, dumb frog poster
>>53730015
>hating pepe
hi there reddit
>>53730023
>Muh Paypay
Back to >>>/b/ normal cuck
>>53730000
checked
>>53730034
>paypay
>>>/r/eddit
>>53730034
>cuck
back to >>>/pol/, insecure stormfag
>>53730050
Fuck off back to /b/, newfag
>>53730055
Hello Rajesh
>>53730075
CUCCKED AGAIN, WINCUCCKS
>>53730099
do you even know what that word means?
>>53730106
It means using windows
>>53729088
the fact that it's FREE on top of all things should tell you all you need to know. Things don't come for free in life, not from a company called Microsoft.
20 whole minutes without shilling? Get your lazy asses back to work or you won't get paid this month.
>>53730329
Kek let rajesh take his staff meal. Microsoft respects his work rights
>>53728698
I don't understand all this hate. Windows 10 is pretty good.
>>53730723
Spyware, Ads in pro versions, security exploits, no real controls you pick one
>>53730603
>>53729252
> Why do you want privacY, guys. I mean, come on, it's THE CURRENT YEAR.
but in all seriousness I'm not upgrading to windows 10, which in most regards is a superior system because I'm worried about agressive updating tactics
they might start upping the base requirements of necessary features to force people to buy new computers periodically
more concerning to me is that they might persue a "single OS" model like on ps3 systems, where they lock out users with modded OS' and don't allow backwards compatibility
I'm also worried about the backdoors being used for commercial purposes like data mining from people's drives
and the dumbing down of windows is an ongoing problem, 8.1 was a nightmare with layers of settings, "apps" that just made the UI over-complicated
the idea that a computer shouldn't shut down, just pretend to didn't work at all
sure you got faster boots, but many programs relied on shutdowns to update, and it caused a number of security concerns
I took to taking the battery out of mine when doing sensetive work
Tell me an OS that can play all my games like Windows can.
That's really the only reason I'm on Windows. Wine sucks.
>>53729045
>when you store data in our cloud we can access it
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>>53731590
>win10
>anti telemetry programs
I really like this meme
>>53731633
they just change some settings and put some IPs in your hosts file. I already use the enterprise LTSB version but I want a script to change privacy settings
>>53731645
>Windows 10
>Privacy
Give up
>>53731790
when I started researching the lengths you would have to go to, to actually make your data private I was astounded how so many programs were compromised, and how ineffective encryption actually was
