What OS will be the new standard in 10 years? Are there any new non-Linux upcoming OS'? What about RISC OS?
>>53717633
Some Linux castrated by Google.
>>53717633
next decade will be the Decade of Linux
I had a hope that all the low-power ARM mini-PCs would bring in an age of small, solid-state, low power, and quick OSs loading from a "ROM"-like SD card.
BUT NO
It's just bloat all over this shit.
os.js
>>53717633
this is equivalent to asking "what gender will be most common in 10 years"
there allways will be faggots
>>53717633
Jolicloud / Chromium OS. or whatever cloud based OS. In business world it has it's benefits, and wouldn't be too surprised if the trend just leaks in the consumer market via Google or Apple.
>>53718179
you people with a hard-on for ARM are the worst.
but if you want it that bad you can do it. Get an RPi and put a minimal WM on it or something. Go post in guts threads about how your machine is so much smaller than ITX junk they obsess over.
>>53717633
unless apple fucks up majorly, which is not entirely improbable, it will probably be similar to now. i'm too disillusioned to believe that the corporate world will drop windows yet, even though clearly nobody is really happy with win10 and its cuckolding features.
read: there is absolutely zero fucking chance corporations will accept having their machines spied on by microsoft. "windows as a service" is not something that will work for them. it is therefore quite probable that there is going to be a very castrated version of win10 for the corporate world; something even more castrated than the current professional and whatnot editions.
i do have hope for linux, but again, i'm still too disillusioned to really believe it. if anything, this anon >>53718037 may be right.
The concept of an OS won't even exist. Devices will just boot into an instance of Chromium and everything will be web apps.
Well, at least if things keep going in the direction they're going now, anyway. It's not a future I want. I'll hold onto my traditional compiled native desktop apps until the last second.
>>53718476
>there is absolutely zero fucking chance corporations will accept having their machines spied on by microsoft.
they'll be forced to accept it whether they want it or not, outside of a few industries with strict data-protection standards (HIPAA, PCI, etc) because they'll be all "but.. but.. we need support! We're way too scared of running an OS without a big vendor support contract! And we're too locked in to Office/Active Directory/some other MS thing to just ditch it! And Windows 10 is gonna be the only supported version!" MS has their business customers by the balls and they know it. Businesses will drag their feet but eventually they'll fall in line and do what MS tells them to.
>>53718633
This. Most companies have no problem in running Office 365 or CRM.and in the end, like anon said, they just do not care.
Windows 11
/thread
>>53718765
There are no more Windows versions after 10. It became a rolling release OS
Linux has come really far in recent years. Much better hardware support, with AMD you can play AAA games with a free driver. And the ability to customize is second to none.
>>53718633
>>53718706
i was talking about corporations with a couple of thousand employees. you're right about smaller companies, no doubt, but not big corp.
- i work for a German car manufacturer. win10 isn't going to fly.
- mom works for a US medical corp. win10 isn't going to fly there.
- girlfriend works in the battery sector. no fucking chance.
everywhere where corporate secrecy is of paramount importance, win10 is on the no-fucking-way list.
>>53718886
so what's their plan then? They only got four years till 7 is out of security support. Apple doesn't much give a crap about the enterprise market. Chromebooks and shit have the same botnet problems. They gonna roll out a gazillion RHEL desktops or something?
RISC-V will take over the world, Microsoft will keep sticking to amd64 and ARM in full denial mode and some linux derivative butchered by google will dominate the desktop.
Not an OS, but I really think that GUIs need to catch up to high-def, and large, screens.
The conventions on how windows are managed are still based on what was established for 600x480, so a lot of things like web pages either run their lines really long, or have a huge amount of white space.
Not sure what the answer is. Probably something like a tiling window manager, but they still need something to fill the gaps.
>>53718481
Heard this shit in the 90's, only it was "Netscape and Java."
People aren't going to put up with near 100ms access times (bound by the speed of light), transfer rates that are a tiny fraction of SATA3 (or whatever faster bus exists then), and all around shit tier performance.
10 years ago I wrote a custom app for a business as an independent contractor. Recently a company with a cloud version tried getting them to dump their custom app and join the service. (This is an important niche for their field and they should have hired me full time to sell their app on the side, but whatever.) The cloud product had many more features and a slicker UI (I'm one guy; they're funded with a team of devs).
I got called up and I'm finishing up new builds of that old app, with new features, now. Why?
* Cloud was too fucking slow.
* Can't work when Internet is down but local network is never down.
* Once they upload all their data to the cloud it is ultimately out of their control. If China hacks XYZ Inc. and gets everything, what are they supposed to do? Sue Chinese hackers for copyright infringement? It would be a challenge to sue the actual company offering the cloud service if they went rogue.
>>53718969
>so what's their plan then? They only got four years till 7 is out of security support. Apple doesn't much give a crap about the enterprise market.
Someone needs to clue Tim Cook in on this exact situation. If Apple wanted I bet it would take their engineers and devs 1 year to deploy serious rack servers and management software for Enterprise.
Their name is pure gold right now. /g/ may hate them but normies fucking love them. And more importantly, they are perceived as the one American IT company that will truly go to bat with a government over privacy issues. They have a strong reputation of being secure.
Apple would fucking clean house if they went all out for Enterprise at the exact moment that Microsoft is screwing the pooch with WinShit 10. Apple is also strong enough to push FOSS solutions for some things if they didn't want to commit the resources (thinking of a FOSS office suite).
The future OS will be barebone with a container package manager. Download container services and apps directly to the PC.
>>53718969
there isn't much talk about it yet. our linux section is beefing up, but they have been beefing up for two or three years now; linux is bound to become a major factor in the automotive industry, but so far mostly in cars rather than workstations.
i reckon microsoft will be providing a non spying version of win10 when pressured, but that remains to be seen. if they don't, i wouldn't exclude the possibility that we would get custom software installed to cut the umbilical cord.
i may be wrong, but the way things are handled here, company policy doesn't allow for the win10 model. in the special protection section where i work, you have to sign three NDAs to just set foot past the entrance hall. our IT guys are having a fucking laugh when they talk about win10.
>>53717633
RISC OS is really fucking great. I love it. I hope that it'll eventually get widespread support and good up to date software again, like it did back in the early 90s.
>>53719395
i doubt that, honestly. too much CAE software is still windows only, although it has been getting better, but something like Catia or SolidWorks or Siemens NX or ANSYS isn't going to be ported overnight, let alone without pressure.
>>53719490
Siemens nx runs on linux, should nor be too hard to port
>>53719459
Can't see that happening. The ages of varied OSs are long past.
There's no more reason for RISC-OS to become mainstream than Haiku.
>>53719612
you are right. i though it was only the server, but you are right - it does.
>>53719281
I hope you're right anon. Don't get me wrong, "the cloud" can be useful and it has its place, but I wouldn't want to rely on it for anything. Here's to hoping that this whole HipsterCloud.js thing is mostly just a phase for the industry and we see a resurgence of locally-running resource-responsible native applications.
>>53717633
Probably the first one to have Ai integrated with it..
I mean shit that common people can give commands to and interact in a way in which it's not problematic for them ( the accent, the way they compose sentences and so on ).
More like - a cloud machine with a voice recognition software and a artificial intelligence program capable of applying commands as expected by human that issued them, nothing fancy.
Linux could be the next if they focus on making it easier for "normal" people to use. As it is now, most people will not even get through the installation.
>>53719724
>strong AGI
>nothing fancy
Maybe in the year 103884.
>>53719395
Don't forget that Apple is all buddy-buddy with IBM right now, the company which is practically enterprise incarnate. The two could make some serious inroads together if they really wanted to.
>>53719748
Most distros are significantly easier to install than any windows. The thing is, windows comes preinstalled.
>>53719754
Not genera intelligence tho and what I said already exists as third party platform + software.
>>53717633
ayy lmao OS
>>53719887
>these are the inbred that post on /g/ nowadays
>>53718991
That's not a legacy from 640x480, it's just human nature. You wouldn't read or lose track in very long lines. So they arrange things in columns. But if there is a second column then you wouldn't exclusively look at the advertisements they put on their page.
>>53719776
>have to partition disk
>panic.jpg
>>53720706
Most distros even do that for you, while windows doesn't last I checked.
>>53718196
This one knows
ALLAH OS
>>53718196
This
Everything will be in the cloud and most of the programs we run will be written in javascript
Potentially more interesting questing: When we see a new Linux or BSD-based desktop OS that isn't your boring garden variety mismash of GNU and X? The mobile world has Sailfish OS but nothing of the sort really exists on the desktop.
I don't know about you guys but I'm getting kind of sick of debian and arch forks. The FOSS desktop world is in dire need of spice, because right now it's all unflavored tofu.
>>53720826
>MemeScript
>fast enough for anything remotely intensive
Just learn C or C++ and stop being a worthless dumb nigger.
>>53720879
Install Gentoo
We will have plague of adroid/iOS tablets-PCs that cant do anything... the only real use of this devices today is... browsing internet and texting with few people.
And of course plague of ChromeOS laptops...
I think traditional computers that we have today will become a "specialist ultra-pr0 hakier" maschines that no one really neeeds... but look at it from the other side - there's no more space for windows in this future : )
We need to start thinking... are we sure that everyone have to have real computer at home? Most people dont need, what are they doing? Probably browsing internet and nothing else, they don't care about type of device... they probably will do it on toilet paper if you'll give them "iToletPaper" with android or iOS.
That's really sad truth.
>>53720910
Jesus, are you serious?
Why the fuck front-end devs are supposted to know C/C++? Ok, now they are but we are talking about future. C and C++ will become server-side only languages.
On client-side you'll have running java script or java or C# application. nobody really cares about "should I use long or int?".
You have to write working code, not perfect code. That's why what i said is right and will become reality.
>>53721150
Speak for yourself. There are multiple flavors of "front end".
I'm primarily a front end dev and I write in Objective-C/Swift w/Cocoa (Apple platforms) and C++ w/Qt elsewhere.
*You* might not care about the difference between a long and an int but I do, because you know what? Moore's law has been shot in the head and buried out back. Computers aren't going to continue to pick up the slack for your lazy ass, meaning that performance matters and JS+HTML+CSS "apps" aren't going to cut it. It's a fucking atrocity that there are "developers" out there who think it's OK for a dumb text editor to eat 300MB of memory because "muh web front end hackerbilities!"
Android
https://youtu.be/L5AcnhEEU_g
>>53721276
Go back to 80's and say that your kernel eats 50+ MB of disk space ;)
>>53717633
Still Windows, unless Microsoft somehow manages to piss off OEM AND software vendors enough to look at GNU/Linux seriously, and subsequently beat out consumer and enterprise (on the desktop) stigma regarding the platform.
Mac OS is hopeless unless Apple stops giving a shit about Macs altogether and re-opens the clone program, in that case there's a slight chance it might enjoy a little more success in mobiles, education and enterprise.
>What about RISC OS?
The fuck has gone through your head to make you think that an obscure primitive, ugly, dated operating system with no OEM support whatsoever that was never even alive in the first place outside of UK academia and only still alive because of nostalgiatards will stand a chance against an established platform like Windows or GNU/Linux?
>>53718476
>it is therefore quite probable that there is going to be a very castrated version of win10 for the corporate world
Does /g/ really not realize that Enterprise and Enterprise LTSB are a thing, and have been for nearly a decade now?
>>53718196
This post gave me cancer
It's going to be windows always
>>53722745
This
Maybe Linux will become more popular for servers and small machines, but for desktops and laptops Windows is here to stay
>>53722914
How can linux become more popular than 100% popularity? Are you high?
>>53718063
idk about that. last decade you could still buy new computers from major brands that had Linux preinstalled. now you can't.
>>53718196
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>>53717633
>OS'
You don't pluralize words by adding an apostrophe, youngster.
>>53722989
You can already compile the linux kernel to js, I believe.
>>53723008
Lrn2english, rapefugee fuck.
>>53719911
Is it production ready?
>>53723048
Enlighten me, o wise one.
[spoiler]You can't, because you're objectively wrong. And quite possibly retarded as well.[/spoiler]
>>53723036
yeah, jslinux is pretty cool
>>53722937
Because it's not 100%
Windows server and windows mobile exist
>>53722937
stackoverflow runs on windows, so do a lot of other older sites
other unices still exist
>>53722937
Windows is all over the place in servers, mostly for specialty shit like Exchange, RDP and AD, but IIS controls around 35% of websites as well.
That's not even mentioning the many unices out there like AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, OS X, SCO OpenServer and others.
>>53723179
Windows is less than 20% of servers and only because of muh enterprise.
>>53723197
The last NetCraft web server survey (March '16) had IIS hosts at nearly 30%, and steadily gaining.
>and only because of muh enterprise.
And? What the fuck does this even mean?
Of course server platforms are popular because of "muh enterprise", that's the fucking market they're built for, not hipsters playing pretend sysadmin with an ancient Core2 Optiplex running Debian in their closet.
>>53723336
>he doesn't know 99.99999% of the world never even encounters, let alone willingly visits, a muh enterprise website
kek shill
>>53723361
>moving the goalposts with fallacious bullshit
I guess I shouldn't expect much from an OS wartard who doesn't know how to counter facts and actual discussion with anything but the "muh" meme.
>>53723434
Mister pajeet sir, 3.342 rupees were deposited in your account.
keep of many make the needful kindly thank you.
>>53719911
Thanks, was needing this to make me laugh.
Risc OS is pretty much fucking dead. It died in the late 90s, and even then it was really only widespread in Great Britain.
Unfortunately the only people who use it these days are vintage enthusiasts.
>>53720826
you really think in 10 years you're going to have to use the internet to use your operating system?
Would you actually want that?
Praying to our Lord and Saviour RMS that free software will destroy Microshit's monopoly. Windows has progressively gotten worse over the past ten years, while GNU/Linux has been getting better and better, especially for your average computer illiterate who couldn't even tell you what OS stands for.
>>53721276
Holy shit, you just kicked it right in the balls. There is so much bloat and shit in software today it's horrendous. Moore's Law might be dead, but there's probably a 10x performance gain waiting in software optimization. Maybe more.
But that means kicking the script kiddies out of development and getting back to the basics. C/C++/Obj. C for the win.
>>53718409
ARM is much more suited to modern computing.
Latest chips come with a Java machine built in, removing the need for one on the OS, and freeing up that extra bit of CPU time.
>>53718476
Retard love win 10 so much. The problem is whether they realized that they have own privacy to be protected or no. Every years we produce so much retard day by day, no one gonna interested in Linux if it's looks "hard to understood"
>>53718865
This, I'm pretty sure Linux is the best os in future. The problem is its development is kind of slow because it's involving "freedom". But, as the snow ball rolling from the hill some day it could strike the winblows and macfag meme.
>>53728386
Too bad that doesn't really matter for shit in most desktop applications nor is it something unique to the ARM architecture.
>>53717633
FreeBSD.
>>53717633
>What about RISC OS?
It's hopelessly obsolete.
>>53717633
OS/2
HURD
>>53718196
???
I don't think we are thinking Meta enough here.
The standard OS will probably be something that runs in a browser with HTML5, or in some other interpreted language. The underlying kernel will be of little importance to the end user.
It's already happening.
>>53729934
and by the way -
https://friendos.com/
iOS.
GNU/Turd (my own microkernel)
>>53722659
no no, i'm well aware of the Enterprise versions. problem is, as of right now from what i read and hear telemetry can't be turned off even in those.
>>53729934
jugglerOS http://www.etwright.org/cghist/juggler_rt.html
TempleOS
GNU/Windows
>>53717633
>>53733966
Forgot link.
http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-10-build-14251-linux-subsystem-files-mean
>>53732015
This is what I could find:
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
http://windowsitpro.com/windows-10/enterprise-customers-will-be-able-disable-windows-10-telemetry
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-now-lets-you-turn-off-tracking-but-only-if-youre-a-business/
Unless you're saying it still collects data regardless of this.
>>53718633
I can say as soon as win10 was force installed on all the pcs at my workplace they dropped that shit instantly. It fucked up all their machines and the qc software. They now run CentOS on everything for CAD and Ubuntu for the machines.
>>53735036
>force installed
They should've fired you for being an incompetent moron that set their computers to automatic updates instead of having a test system for testing all updates before ever allowing anything on production machines.
>>53718196
>>53720826
>>53729934
>>53730079
I love it when /g/ cynically projects their browser-centric use cases on "normies" like this. Just because normalfags spend a lot of time on "social" media services doesn't mean they spend all of their time in a browser, nor does it mean they're going to swap out their OEM supplied operating system (lol) for a shitty SaaS platform with no applications that you can't use without a reliable internet connection.
OEMs won't bite it either, because they get nothing out of it but a bunch of angry alienated customers when they switch to a platform they don't control that nobody wants, especially Enterprise clients, who probably aren't going to be very interested in putting all of their valuable data on the servers of some hipster startup that may not even last the next ten years, let alone last the next ten months without a major security compromise, and even if for some reason OEMs did jump on this shitty non-bandwagon, with Moore's law in a shallow grave, it's not like anyone would upgrade anyway.
>>53735665
You're getting straw everywhere, anon.
>>53735805
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
Screaming "strawman" isn't a get out of being wrong free card.
How about you tell us what makes you think this is a plausible outcome?
>>53718886
>mom works for a US medical corp. win10 isn't going to fly there
lol. The two hospitals in my area are still running XP. Only one computer in one of the hospitals was running something else, and that was some specialized OS for procedures or some shit.
The hospital claimed they don't have the money to upgrade all of the computers. Best joke I ever heard.
>>53736012
>Best joke I ever heard.
>new 10 enterprise licenses + a KMS
>new licenses for whatever ultra-expensive software(s) they're using for control and data acquisition
>money and other potential losses from downtime for upgrade
>wages paid to IT staff to perform the upgrade
it adds up
>>53736124
I can only vouch for one of the hospitals but
>at most they only have to upgrade 15 computers, the ones that are actually exposed to the internet
>microsoft has special prices for hospitals
>the software they use they have been using since the 90's and haven't bothered to even update them because it doesn't require a license renew
>upgrade slowly for smooth integration, there's a few computers that can be used while one is upgrading. Don't upgrade all at once like a moron
>it's not like they pay us much anyways despite the fact that we're what's keeping that place running
So the executives don't get a bonus this month? Oh boo hoo.
>>53729906
>thinking os.js is a website .........
YOU DUMB FUCK
>>53731973
>gnu/turd
>would even work better than gnu/hurd
kek/kek would kek again
