As part of today's Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Final Beta release, users can download and test the Beta 2 builds of the Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS, Xubuntu 16.04 LTS, Ubuntu Kylin 16.04 LTS, Lubuntu 16.04 LTS, Ubuntu Studio 16.04 LTS, Kubuntu 16.04 LTS, Ubuntu Core 16.04 LTS, Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS, and Ubuntu Server 16.04 LTS.
>>53676619
Wait wait wait. MATE has a global menu?
Beta software is for beta people like OP
embrace the master race and use 18.04 pre-pre-nightlyupyoass-alpha
>>53676637
Ubuntu MATE ships with it (just not as the default layout).
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/02/ubuntu-mate-16-04-unity-style-desktop
I tried Ubuntu 16.04 beta 1.
Without doing anything at all, suddenly the sidebar and the bar at the top disappeared. I had to open a terminal and reboot, and it didn't fix it.
But frankly it was a better experience than PC-BSD: I installed that with Gnome through a net-install. Once I got into my account, Gnome crashed instantly and I couldn't restart my session by pressing ctr+alt+backspace
>>53676670
Do you think it'd be too difficult to modify that layout?
One thing I wanted was just the global menu. Getting rid of the sidebar, or using a bottom bar or dock would be optimal.
>>53676684
probably cause gnome is shit on BSD except OpenBSD. Should've tried Lumina, PC-BSD's own DE. Or KDE at the least.
gnome shell has systemd dep, so it is shit on most non-systemd platforms.
Ubuntu GNOME <3
Asus MG279Q (DisplayPort 1.2) + 980Ti (tried 4 different drivers)
=
Every time I close my monitor *Ubuntu can't connect back to it, I just get 'no mini DP signal' eternally.
Help?
>>53676619
You might as well use Unity
>>53677073
scrot with the launcher at the bottom?
>>53676588
>That brown shit
>>53677073
>>53678545
This please
If I have 8gb of memery, should I just go for Ubuntu?
I've been using Xubuntu for about 2 years and I tried Ubuntu 16.04 and the default setup is just so fucking nice. Any reason to stick with Xubuntu if you have a lot of RAM?
Does Lubuntu finally goes with LXQt and NOT LXDE?
>>53680875
I have 4 gb and it's more than enough
>>53680875
>switching from xfce to anything else.
have you not learned anything in those 2 years?
>>53676684
Backspace shortcut is disabled since 14.04, I believe alt+prt_scr+k will work.
>>53680875
It's personal preferences. But yeah 7gb can totally handle ubuntu.
>>53680956
I learnt that Xfce is fucking nice and lets me get the job done. But Ubuntu with unity is looking like that plus nice defaults and a fucking clean interface. Xfce is still a bit clunky at times. Might take your advice though.
>>53681003
Been looking at switching to xfce. What's it like to use?
>>53680875
I have 4GB and a shitty AMD laptop.
Anyone got it running?
I just want screenshot of terminal with output of this commandpython --version
>>53681252
I didn't, but according to their repository it's 2.7.11
>>53681311
Ubuntu, like Debian, has a separate python3 binary.
Alternate wallpaper
>>53681213
The comfiest feeling you will ever get from a DE
>>53681358
reports were that 16.04 LTS would be switching to python3 as the default python
of course it had python3 since its inception
>>53681213
Honestly one of the greatest DEs ever, possibly the best, light and fast and still lets you get serious bidness done
>>53681666
Check'em
>>53681666
Lucifer is here, on /g/, posting ASCII hearts
Ubuntu 16 is the best release yet
>>53681379
EPIC!
>>53676588
Is Unity 8 written in Qt?
>>53682889
is this anime poster a virgin?
>>53682933
Are you an offended SJW?
>>53682933
4chan is an anime website.
>>53682986
virgin to the rescue
>>53682986
Reddit spills do try to enforce their SJW propaganda here. Changing topics is their natural instinct.
>>53682933
>>>/reddit/
>>53678545
>>53680539
>>53682933
>>53682986
>Manchild /v/irgin talking about getting laid as if he could ever manage pussy
>>53683192
open menu
>>53682933
The Xubuntu 16.04 beta 2 ISO is totally fucked, anyone else tried it?
>>53683192
Link?
>>53676696
It's very, very easy to customize
Mate-tweak is also God tier
>>53683337
compared to win7 this doesnt look too practical
>>53683408
Why not?
>>53683438
the same reason why ribbon on win10 is worse than normal file menu
Finally...
Best distro ever!
>>53682889
Any non-reddit trash willing to answer me?
>>53684321
no it isn't you retard, what kind of dumbfuck question is that anyway hah
>>53684382
>With convergence in mind, we also revisit our choice of technology. While the desktop version of Unity has been built on top of Nux, an attempt at an OpenGL-only toolkit, all of the other incarnations of the Unity shell have been developed on top of Qt/QML. In the past, we have chosen Nux over Qt/QML (version 4.x) to address our requirements for the ability to provide sophisticated UX and effects by leveraging pure OpenGL whenever necessary. However, with Qt5/QML2, we no longer see the need for a custom OpenGL-toolkit, as Qt5/QML2 allows us to easily access raw OpenGL features and performance. More to this, our experience with Qt5/QML2 during the Ubuntu Touch development was very positive, and we feel confident that it allows us to deliver a sophisticated UX across all form factors. Unity Next was developed largely using Qt Modeling Language (QML) on Digia's Qt framework.
>With this particular shift in focus to Qt, it provides an opportunity to also revisit our approach to window management and composition. On our Ubuntu Touch Developer Preview we have initially relied on some modifications to the Android facilities. However a solution is needed to fulfill our Unity Next "look and feel" requirements across all devices, phone to desktop to TV. The solution decided upon is a related Ubuntu project known as Mir.
>>53684427
doesn't mean it's all in qt you dumbass, most of the code is going to be pure c++
>>53681252
>>53684480
lmao
>Unity Next will focus on two large efforts on the path to delivering an entry level Ubuntu Phone and eventually cross device convergence:
>1. Unity Next integrated on top of Mir
>2. Unity Next UI implemented on Qt (note: much has already been included in the Ubuntu Touch Developer Preview)
>>53682933
likely, yes.
>not using python 3
>>53680447
Spotted the colorblind retard
>>53683192
Looks like fucking shit
>>53683038
Fucking this. Reddit fags need to get the fuck out and tip their neckbeard fedoras elsewhere
Fucking hell just tried out the Ubuntu MATE 16.04 beta and i have to say its comfy as fuck.
>just werks
>sane default applications
>not as bloated as default ubuntu
>semi lightweight
>easy to customize (global menu, sidebar, plank, changing compositors)
when you get rid of the hideous green its great
>>53684905
Like your mom
I wish they'd make a cinnamon version. But I guess doing ubuntu core than cinnamon isn't too difficult
>>53685158
The touchpad support in mate is extrem shit
>>53685577
its your fault for using it
![[Arienai]_Pretty_Cure_Max_Heart_-_10[5E712293].mp4_snapshot_05.56_[2016.01.28_19.25.35].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5UHnr5Y.jpg "[Arienai]_Pretty_Cure_Max_Heart_-_10[5E712293].mp4_snapshot_05.56_[2016.01.28_19.25.35].jpg")
>yfw gtk will die in your life time
what happens when ubuntu hits the letter Z?
Zesty Zebra, what comes next? Back to A?
>>53685879
A1, just like in excel ;^)
>>53685158
>tfw
>>53685879
They switch to Japanese and try to reel in the weaboo pedophile audience
Unity vs MATE, any opinions?
Just recently settled on Ubuntu MATE 14.04 after a dark phase of distro hopping and fucking love it but somehow compiz exploded and I decided to upgrade to beta 2. Never tried Unity and don't know much aside from the whole Amazon thing which iirc is gone in this LTS
>>53676588
Baytrail support?
If wifi works on my transformer I'll switch over.
>>53686325
Everything works right out the box
>>53686454
Will test it out when I get to uni.
Home internet is down.
This is dope as fuck
>>53683192
Looks... really weird.
>>53680915
16.04 is still LXDE, you don't to make a major switch on a LTS. It is very likely they will make the switch to LXQt for 16.10
>>53678207
enjoy your RAM abuse
The out-of-the-box Ubuntu experience has been pretty miserable with recent releases on muh Macs. How can they not optimize it for some of the best selling common systems?
>>53691572
Mint installed perfectly on my MacBook Air aside from having to install the proper wireless driver, which took all of two minutes to download and install.
>>53691598
Having to install wireless drivers after the fact is a pretty big deal for systems with no ethernet (only wifi). Trackpad drivers are also a mess out of the box.
>>53691618
...just booted up 16.04 on my Macbook Retina. Wifi works out of the box once the proprietary driver is selected. Everything is way too small to start, but scaling seems to work well once that's set (still bugs: see the scrollbar in the quick comment box). Only obvious big problem is there's ZERO thumb rejection on the trackpad; makes it practically unusable.
Unity is actually okay now
Come back everyone who left for Xubuntu
How is AMDGPU since fglrx is gone?
>>53692177
I have weird issue with *ubuntu.
MG279 Asus monitor (identified properly, 1440p and 144hz).
980Ti GPU (uses experimental drivers from nVidia)
When I shut down my monitor from power buttan, and open it again I get 'no mini DP signal' and I see nothing (but the power light and sometimes HDD light do flash)
It can't hot plug the monitor back in
help?
>>53681948
>Ubuntu 16 is the best release yet
This is what you fags say about every release and it still sucks.
>>53692340
Why do you think it sucks? Baby duck syndrome?
>>53683192
Well, turns out Ubuntu devs were right after all.
>>53683192
That looks like shit. Why not just allow the option to have a classic Gnome setup and that's it? Fuck that 3D shit launcher.
>>53686174
MATE is undoubtedly better.
>>53692652
I agree, but I'm looking forward to the new unity because it's pretty comfy on a touch screen.
Here's hoping it's got better baytrail support than 15.10
>>53683192
can't you make it smaller?
Just wondering if Ubuntu has any advantages over Gentoo...
>>53692996
Gentoo is for autists
>>53685879
They name it after different animals or a different series of things entirely.
>>53692184
mesa amdgpu is about 80% of fglrx according phoronix.
fglrx has been deprecated because the open source drivers are good enough in amd's opinion.
gpu-pro is the replacement for fglrx and runs on amdgpu only.
>>53693233
>gpu-pro
Is that the hybrid driver they've been talking about?
>>53692214
>uses experimental drivers
>>53693329
Yes. Released a few days ago.
Guys
I'm trying to install it on my laptop but my trackpad doesn't get detected somehow
What do? Even after it finished installing nothing changed
>>53693371
Turn your trackpad on (fn+f5? double tap the top left corner? dedicated button?)
>>53683408
you are 100% correct. ubuntu has rediculous user friendly 'features'
but for the menu there is cardapio https://launchpad.net/cardapio
>>53685879
Development of Ubuntu will be stopped.
They will use the Chinese alphabet
Ubuntu kylin will be the main development branch
>>53685879
100$ dollars say the pooinloos are gonna take over by then and they'll name the future ubuntu releases after hindi alphabets.
>>53693586
Our only save haven will be xubuntu
>>53693611
Xubuntu is dead
Ubuntu MATE is our new god.
>>53693605
I thought the Indians would be all over windows? There isn't even a dedicated Ubuntu branch for India
>>53693404
doesnt work sempai
im sad, the only os that seems to work on my laptop is windows 10
>>53693627
eh, they are taking over anything and everything.
tbqhwy i thought the reason ubuntu was so bad was because of curry-code.
>>53693627
>There isn't even a dedicated Ubuntu branch for India
why would there be?
anyone who wants to find out about Ubuntu wouldn't exactly walk into a building, they would use Jewgle
>>53693659
Do you know what Ubuntu kylin is?
>>53693689
Most Indians can read English, it's an official language there, Chinks can't into English though.
Does Ubuntu 16 use ZFS for the filesystem by default now?
>>53683192
shitty non flat buttons >mfw
>>53693712
No, ZFS is a meme anyway. Just install btrfs if you want a next-gen fs. No one except for datacenters cares about ZFS.
>>53693624
it is true though. xfce is dead.
>>53693763
how come? proofs?
>>53693763
Good. Xfce was never really that good. It was just praised because Unity and Gnome became disgusting bloated touchscreen UIs and now Xfce development has stalled and MATE and LXQt will take its place.
>>53693779
https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.14/roadmap
they're in the "planning phase" for a year now.
compare it with https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.12/roadmap
>>53693802
those things dont mean anything final
clearly you are not active within the community
>tfw even if xfce dies today it will work flawlessly for years to come and be less bloated and bugged than gnome,kde,unity,..
>>53693624
what's with that MATE force suddenly? it's shit
>>53693869
MATE is great. It's the Xfce killer.
>>53693875
mate is shit m8
>>53693875
>xfce killer
You see that level of shilling there. Shitting on another DE to make the prefered DE comparably better?
That's when you should realize that mate is still nothing compared to the xfce overlord
gotta agree with the people calling out MATE against the people who think it's a good Xfce replacement
switching to MATE from Xfce is like switching to guzzling cum after guzzling piss. Just switch to Unity ffs, I doubt any of you are using hardware that is that shit that it will run slow.
Stop arguing over shit vs diarrhoea. Unity is done.
>>53693937
>Just switch to Unity ffs,
Fuck off, retard
>>53693937
leave and never come back clueless hipster
>>53693954
>hipster
>only hipsters care about their OS looking good and making full use of their expensive hardware
fuck off pajeet
>>53693950
fuck off rajeet
>>53693937
I am using Xfce not because it's lightweight, but because all other alternatives are shit.
>>53694035
How are they shit? How, for example, is Unity shit? This is what I see Xfce people always do, calling something out without explaining how it's worse than Xfce. Fuck off faggots, seriously.
>>53694046
>Unity
- There is a bar on the top, which is bad, because I'll have to aim carefully when I want to close a full screen window. Right now I just point to the top right corner and click.
- Why more than one panel anyway?
- The menu isn't organized well and is hard to navigate.
- Everything is huge and orange.
- It's malware.
Just some stuff I remember from the last time I used it (which didn't last long).
>>53694126
Shit reasons 2bh
The last is an outright lie
>>53694235
>criticizes me for saying "it's shit" without an explanation
>says my reasons are shit without an explanation
>>53694035
good choise anon
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229
>Interestingly, the Thunar file manager under xfce (Xubuntu 8.10) is doing something that Gnome's and KDE's file managers are not doing: It will flag the desktop launcher file as potential malware and thus prevent execution via a simple click.
>>53694126
>There is a bar on the top, which is bad, because I'll have to aim carefully when I want to close a full screen window. Right now I just point to the top right corner and click.
oh my god i've been telling this for years
Finally someone understands, faith in fucking people restored by 1%
>>53694267
>expects me to respond to lies and "its huge and orange" and "im too retarded to click on the top left" with a serious answer
The menu has been replaced with a launcher which is a lot more sensible
>>53694595
>name calling
way to go man.
>>53695073
>still sensitive about name-calling on a malaysian basket-making papyrus
>>53691986
>Thumb rejection
b-but then how will I use my touchpad?
Fingers on homerow, thumbs for touchpad
>>53694126
>>53694430
>There is a bar on the top, which is bad, because I'll have to aim carefully when I want to close a full screen window.
>I've never used Unity.
>>53694430
Fitts' Law
Also, can't you grab the title bar and drag it to the top? More space to grab onto
>>53694035
>>53694035
This so much. Xfce master race
>>53693875
>>53693910
>>53693916
MATE is ok, not better than xfce, but almost on par with it, and a lot better than KDE or gnome.
It's just one and rhe same autistic /g/tard who always wants to play out MATE against xfce for whatever reason
>>53695916
Well its like ios and android fans fighting over which is better, and the windows phone (gnome and unity) guys always screaming "here are we!!"
>>53696004
I never saw xfce users hating on MATE, at best it's indifference, while every sane person hates gnome and redhat scum with a passion.
Hope Xorg and Intel's i GPU drivers finally get along with my monitor setup. I don't know why, but using an external monitor as my primary display (with the internal screen disabled) causes huge performance issues. I'm on 14.04 right now on 2010-2011 hardware so its not like this stuff is exactly bleeding edge.
>>53696029
What's wrong with gnome in recent versions?
>>53693611
The screen tearing is intolerable.
Is Mir forced in this version?
>>53696094
Nope, it's still compiz only.
>>53693611
Romanian gypsy trying to lure people into shitty DE. NO tyvm
>>53696285
Second time i was being called a Romanian gypsy in two (or three?) days.
I wonder why?
>>53696084
This is really the only issue with XFCE, the default compositor. The issue has always been to install Compton at the start. Why isn't this the default compositor?
On a side note, I switched to Xubuntu over a year ago to wean off of Windows since Win 10 is shit. Still haven't used multiple desktops, just keep everything on one. I feel like I'm really missing out ;_;
>>53695489
People actually do this??
>>53683192
>>53683337
can you put the launcher on the right?
>>53696729
It's a matter of preference, really. I use 2 workspaces just to separate work stuff from music/anime/stuff. It helps me concentrate.
>Kubuntu 16.04 LTS
Is this the new KDE? Have been waiting ages for it.
>>53697311
oh wow A BRAND NEW WALLPAPER! !! How do they do it, nailing it every time, its like they have hteir own steve jobs
Also I see that EPIC MUST HAVE CASHEW BURGER SHIT MENU is still on desktop and STILL IMPOSSIBLE TO REMOVE
NOICE !
>>53685158
xubuntu-core is even less bloated
>>53697334
Calm your autism mate. Merely asking if this one is using a stable version of the new KDE overhaul they have been working on for so long.
>>53693611
>save haven
>>53697455
>stable
suuuure anon. it's "stable"
>>53693624
Absolutely this
They even have synapse and Compton built into the tweak tool. How can anyone even compete with that?
>>53697554
Thanks man. Installing Kubuntu when the beta is over.
>>53676588
I'll wait for the final release. Big Ubuntu fan, though. Is it still gonna be hell to upgrade from an existing install?
Mint Cinnamon mustard race reporting in.
>>53697826
come on, anon. you can do better than this.
>>53697419
So is mate-core, dumbass
>>53697952
What don't you like about it?
>>53698386
Your icons are kind of big and inconsistent, and I would change that gradient for something more subtle. Just my opinion, though.
>>53676588
with new unity ?
>>53683192
what does the hud/alt menu search look like?
btw this is awesome, would definitely use this/10
>>53698386
Your Chrome launcher button is still there while Chrome is running.
>>53697334
>STILL IMPOSSIBLE TO REMOVE
>NOICE !
Is possible to remove it since plasma 5.3, faggot. Right click on desktop and settings, uncheck box. SO FUCKING HARD.
>>53693624
>Still using Gnome 2 in 2016
>>53685158
This. Ubuntu MATE best *buntu. Debian netinst is still superior for a more controlled installation, but if you don't have time or don't need it, Ubuntu MATE is fucking great.
>>53698494
>>53700326
That's just what cinnamon does i guess, I don't have any control over icon sizes .
>>53701071
It's not just icon size, it's retarded.
>using Mint
>even after their servers were compromised
>being this retarded
>>53697334
If I give you a bag of Wendy's fresh Tendies will you calm the fuck down?
>>53701893
gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom
in case somebody wants to try it himself
>>53701893
After using unity with the left dock for 4 years, this looks completely queer desu senpai.
>>53701246
Im on 14.04 so im not affected by any of that.
Downloaded my iso long time ago.
>>53701893
gayest and impractical shit ever
>>53681386
And everyone laughs at me because I sti like that in the office.
>>53702093
why? more options are better
>>53700989
>still using a perfect DE
Yes, why settle for less? It's actively developed and supported, has top tier modularity, top tier performance, and the features and Polish of unity or gnome. Mate-tweak even allows got Wm switching on the fucking fly
It's pretty good I think
>>53703356
What does it look like when a program doesn't support a minimalistic icon style?
>>53703477
do you know how program icons work in linux?
THEY STILL DIDNT ADD MIR AND UNITY 8
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY WAITING FOR
THERES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEW IN THIS PIECE OF SHIT
>>53703539
no not exactly, only that it's a pain to add them
>>53703593
there will be a separate version with Unity 8, they didn't want to do the same mistake like they did with the introduction of Unity since the upcoming version is an LTS
>>53703691
they're separate, which makes them much easier to make substitutes than in windows, where program icons are embedded in the programs' executable
>>53703763
-- also, icon themes will override the icon the program came with, so if your theme has a "apps/$appname.ext" icon, the system will use that instead
>>53703356
What theme?
>>53703088
Then you should be using plasma, not fucking gnome3 or unity
>tfw finally replaced server 2012 with ubuntu
>set up 8tb striped mirror zfs pool
>50mb/s write
D-does it get better? I'm currently moving 5tb of data and the sequential writes are fucking awful.
>>53701893
Damn why don't these idiots just use integrate docky or plank in their Unity-DE instead of this garbage launcher?
It's really excellent again.
MATE > all buntus
>>53709966
MATE is a desktop environment, not an operating system.
>stupid fucking people will be the death of us all
>>53705655
>he fell for the ZFS meme
On a more serious note, don't be surprised if performance is not on top. The whole ZFS on linux sounds like a huge hack, plus ZFS is using blocks (like the dog slow ext3) rather than extents which make it inherently slower.
Using Linux, you'd be better off with ext4 + mdraid/lvm if you value your data, or btrfs if you want cutting edge features.
Or try try freenas if you'd like a native ZFS implementation.
>>53700919
So it took them seven years to implement a checkbox? Damn, coding is SO FUCKING HARD.
>>53710916
>t. person who has written no code in his life
>>53701064
>Ubuntu MATE is fucking great.
I just installed it and I'm impressed. Beta 2 even has an option to change the compositor with 1 click.
>>53710500
>MATE is a desktop environment, not an operating system.
https://ubuntu-mate.org/
>>53711027
that's "ubuntu mate", not "mate"
http://mate-desktop.org/
>>53711053
He's referring to the Ubuntu flavor you autist.
>>53682986
4chan began as an anime site. If all sites remained how they began, Reddit would be just porn.
>>53677073
That's cute, it even has its own registry now!
MATE != Ubuntu MATE
Again, a desktop environment vs an operating system.
The correct terminology should have been:
>Ubuntu MATE > Ubuntu
>>53711080
And that would be far better.
What's your point?
>>53710933
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>>53676588
Dubs, trips, even quads, this thread is stronk.
>>53711080
And that would be better. You're not making a very good case.
>>53694126
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>>53695501
Confirmed never even tried Unity.
The top bar combines with the fullscreen window top bar, to close it you can click the top left pixel on the screen.
>LE FAITH IN HUMANITY RESTORED
I want reddit to leave. Try DE before you bash them.
I’d just like to interject for moment. What you’re refering to as MATE, is in fact, Ubuntu-MATE, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Ubuntu plus MATE. MATE is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Ubuntu system made useful by the Ubuntu corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by Canonical.
Many computer users run a modified version of the Ubuntu system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Ubuntu which is widely used today is often called MATE, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Ubuntu system, developed by the Ubuntu Project.
There really is a MATE, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. MATE is the DE: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The DE is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. MATE is normally used in combination with the Ubuntu operating system: the whole system is basically Ubuntu with MATE added, or Ubuntu-MATE. All the so-called MATE distributions are really distributions of Ubuntu-MATE!
>>53712400
stop
