http://wccftech.com/amd-am4-%c2%b5opga-socket-1331/
>This means that while the µOPGA AM4 socket size will remain approximately the same, it will be much more fragile than previous OPGA based iterations.
>Still have pins on the CPU instead of switching to superior LGA
TOPPEST LELKEK, AMDPOORFAGS
>>53648995
at least our pins on the mobo dont get fucked intel shillbot
>>53648995
>>Still have pins on the CPU instead of switching to superior LGA
>
>TOPPEST LELKEK, AMDPOORFAGS
Intel does the dame with laptop CPUs, what the fuck is your point
Yeah, pins on the motherboard are much better.
>>53649035
Pins on the motherboard are superior idiot. Just like this anon said >>53649801
>>53649035
When you buy quality (Intel) CPU and mobo and decide to somehow fuck up the pins it's cheaper to replace the mobo.
>>53649840
why would you do that?
They're the same shit if you aren't a idiot, I think one is a few cents cheaper, but who gives a shit.
LGA should be used for MCM's though
from a technical standpoint, other than increased chances for idiots to drop the CPU and bend the pins, what are the advantages/disadvantages of pins on the CPU vs in the socket of the motherboard?
>>53649905
Nobody is samefagging you stupid fucking cunt.
Thanks reddit, thank /r/masterrace
it's great to have every thread devolve into literal retard tier 'my retard dad can beat up your retard dad with his tard strength." shit.
>>53649908
None, just Jewish trickery, if you bend the pins on the cpu you will have a $300 paperweight instead of $80 if it was the motherboard.
>>53649840
>>53649871
it's a rare form of autism that is common for intel shills. when it gets triggered they start smushing CPU pins.
>>53649905
>Fuck up a $150 mobo
>Fuck up a $300+ cpu
Gee, I wonder which one I'd rather replace
>>53650020
Thank god we don't have any.
>>53650036
This.
>>53648995
Of you actually manage to fuck up the pins on a CPU you're a troglodyte that shouldn't be using a computer in the first place.
>>53649991
>>53650036
OK yes pins can get fucked up if you drop the CPU. But just how often are you messing with the CPU? Not only that but I've had AMD CPU's come slightly fucked out of the box because of careless wage slaves before. Literally just used a credit card and bent them slightly back. Went into the socket no problem and has been fine since.
I mean to make a CPU with pins not usable/saveable you REALLY have to bend like all of the pins. Shit before I bought my 4690k I had the FX-9370. I had it in and out of motherboards almost daily trying to find a board that can handle my overclocking escapades. This was the same CPU that was slightly bent when I bought it. I had that fucker up to 5.2ghz with no problems. A VRM on my saberkitty 990fx blew before the CPU showed any issues.
>>53649991
>bend pins on CPU
>just bend them back with a small flathead screwdriver
>>53648995
OH NOES HOW EVER WILL I UNBEND IT?
>>53650036
>being so retarded you can't unbend a cpu pin
Motherboards are impossible, CPUs are really easy.
You're just autistic
>>53650388
>implying they always bend and never break
>>53650402
Of course they'll break if you jump on it.
Don't.
>>53648995
>wccftech
WCCFMEMES
>>53650150
it happens all the time jading by how often we ave threads about it.
>>53650036
>bending pins in the first place
How retarded are you if you manage to bend the fucking pins
>>53650402
The fuck do you do to your processors?
>>53648995
Pleb-tier Shills Don't know bout that Based BGA, that every Mfacturer should be using
>LGA and CPU pins are bot planned obselescence
>>53650591
I personally treat them with respect, I'm just thinking about what could happen
>>53649822
no they arent moron
the superior way would be to not have pins on the mainboard or the cpu
>>53650628
>bga
>if done wrong the solder can crack and cause issues
>no chance of upgrading without replacing the entire system
>only good for laptops
>pins
>not a slot
stay plebb
>>53650851
What kind of interface/port/protocol did those use?
>>53650851
Look at that motherboard man. There is so little on it. Motherboards have no room for anything nowadays.
>>53650885
slot 1
:^)
>>53650885
ISA in black, PCI in white, AGP in brown.
Not even VLB master race.
I'm 38, I used to own boards like this way back when
>>53650933
What about the one for the CPU?
>>53650933
And yet 20 years ago you were just as much of a faggot as you are today
>>53650933
Im 34 and I was Apple back then..
>>53650943
see
>>53650914
its not a joke; its literally slot 1
>>53648995
>LGA
>Superior
I seriously hope that you realise that the only reason Intel uses LGA is to save on manufacturing costs by providing common ground between laptop and desktop chips.
>>53651029
Alrighty then
>>53651031
And how is that a bad thing?
>>53651072
I'm not saying it's a bad thing but it's not necessarily a good thing either. "This thing is better because it earns the company that's making it more money" is not a good line of reasoning for an end user.
>>53650892
Yet the existence of a southbridge is quaintly retro
>>53651104
So you don't like the philosophy of it even though in practicality it makes no difference?
>>53651105
What? Most boards still have a southbridge, it's the northbridge that's been integrated with the CPU.
>>53651005
Uncalled for, dipshit
>>53651132
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that something that does not impact you in any way does not make something superior or inferior in any way shape or form and your poor attempts at trolling are amusing.
>>53651137
Whoops, you're right.
>>53648995
I thought this was a laptop at first
good subway theft deterrent tho
>>53651029
Also Slot-A was AMD's version, had Slot-A duron I think it was back in 98 or 99
>>53651137
eh, the only reason the southbridge hasn't been integrated is because it isn't necessary for direct connections of storage medium and other things like wifi/ethernet to be as latency free as possible with respect to the CPU's response time.
In the case of PCI-e/m2/whatever devices they do have direct connections to the (modernish) CPU in the first place.
>>53651162
Well it does impact me because I believe it's harder to bend pins on a mobo than it is on a cpu.
While it's true cpu pins can be easier to fix, I'd rather not have to bother fixing them in the first place.
And in the unlikely even the pins break, I'd rather replace a cheaper mobo than a more expensive cpu
>>53651214
CPUs are not always more expensive than motherboards
>>53651240
If you're using a cheap cpu on an expensive mobo you've got your priorities in the wrong places
>>53651240
If you're not a poorfage and you're buying a proper CPU, you can be damn sure it's more expensive than the motherboard.
>>53651191
Your post is painful to read and I'm struggling to find out what you're trying to say. Are you implying that WiFi goes through the southbridge?
>>53651270
is that the only attacking point you have, or do you just feel the need to sling shit everywhere?
Whoops, one simple mistake, I haven't cared about southbridge capabilities in years.
>>53651214
You know, I don't think bent pins are as big of a worry as it's made out to be in these threads. Both LGA and PGA are ZIF so it makes absolutely no difference at the end of the day. Processor goes out of box, into socket. Again, neither is superior in any way.
As for rather wanting to replace the motherboard instead of the CPU, most places will replace either free of charge. Either way your machine is out of commission until you get a new one.
>>53651240
I have to say I agree with the other anons. If your mobo is worth more than your CPU you've either got no sense or a system designed for hazardous environments.
>>53651333
nice photoshop
im pretty sure spongebob would never have this in an official episode
>>53651333
Ok, so that is what you were implying? Were you also saying that storage goes through the southbridge? Because again, it doesn't. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to come across as nasty but I really can't figure out of what you're trying to say.
If you don't care about these things why are you involved in this discussion? Why get annoyed when people correct erroneous statements?
>>53651427
SATA, USB, Ethernet all go through the southbridge
>>53650765
>>53650765
>not knowing about BGA ZIF sockets
>>53651457
>>53651460
So it does. Don't rightly know where I got the idea that SATA went through the northbridge. Thank you for the correction anon.
> The change would allow the chip maker to house processors with TDP of up to 140 Watts while utilizing a total of 1331 pins
Are technical constraints really so unforgiving that the socket has to be changed so frequently and there's absolutely no space for backward compatibility?
Intel's sockets in past 5 years:
LGA 1155 (my current CPU)
-> LGA 1150
-> LGA 1151
-> LGA 1156 (next gen)
>>53651270
I think hes saying only slow stuff goes thru the south bridge; no speed benefit to moving any of it on-chip
>>53651595
>LGA 1156 (next gen)
Pretty sure 1155 was 1156's successor, unless they're going 1156 AGAIN.
>>53650851
What is this monster? Are those white sockets PCI Express? What chipset? How many PCIE lanes?
>>53651656
Nevermind. Found it's old.
>>53651380
>If your mobo is worth more than your CPU you've either got no sense or a system designed for hazardous environments.
>Gigabyte LGA775 with PCIe v2
$35
>Xeon 3.17GHz which is moddable for LGA775, 12MB cache, runs at 3.8GHz on 1600MHz FSB
$25
>>53651031
Reduced parasitic capacitance and resistance?
>>53651595
No.
>am2+
>am3
>am3+
All compatible on am3 boards
>>53651137
South/north bridge distinction is meaningless now. It's neither and both. (Intel calls it PCH).
>>53648995
>tfw Intel's greatest achievement was the Pentium III
>tfw AMD destroyed Intel from 1985-2007
>tfw AMD is cheaper and has comparable performance
>tfw my Core i7 takes double-digit minutes to start Notepad++
>tfw my Athlon Slot-A takes single digit minutes to start cold and open Notepad++
AMD remains superior.
>watch people think this is bait and take it anyways.
Windows ME on my 850MHz Athlon is better than Windows 7 on my 2.4GHz i7.
Problem, millennials?
>>53650851
Slot 1/A forever.
My 850 Athlon rules.
>I'm >>53651786
>>53651595
>and there's absolutely no space for backward compatibility?
1150 and 1151 are compatible, one needing a UEFI update to support CPUs launched after it. Same goes for 1156 and 1155. Intel tend to support two generations per socket.
>>53651727
So you're talking about used stuff? I don't think that's relevant to the discussion.
>>53651744
AM3 was a little hit and miss. The pins on bulldozer are physically larger so it was a tight squeeze. Not many motherboard manufacturers released an update for it either.
>>53651735
Got a source for that? You're still working with pins, the location of the pins doesn't change much.
>>53650933
>38 VLB
I'm 42 and I experienced ISA-8 and the superiority of ISA-16 / VESA LocalBus (VLB).
>>53650851
SECC is superior.
>>53651818
And Socket 7 is still better, with only Slot-A superseding it.
>>53651633
My bad. 1156 was before 1155.
Another thing is DDR4. Also incompatible.
I wanted to upgrade my mobo but the dependencies made the price too high... (And I wanted just LGA 1150).
>>53651818
Yeah, but when you have two leads next to each other there's capacitive coupling when e.g. one pin transmits '1' and the other '0'. In such high-speeds it's an concern I guess. For example PCIE (<= 2.0) transmits one byte in 10 bits in special encoding (8b/10b) to keep 50% '1' on each signal to prevent charge buildup between leads.
Another thing is internal resistance of the pins. Sure, for your toy projects it's negligible but in such high-speed it may be worth eliminating for lower power usage.
I don't see much into this. I actually read about this stuff this week. Use the Google Luke.
>>53650461
This. A million times over this. Whether the pins are on the motherboard or the CPU shouldn't even be an issue. If you're buying parts you are expected to have the competency to put them together without fucking things up at the drop of a hat.
>>53651818
>not many manufacturers released an update
Not AMDs fault. They did what they could for their customers, manufacturers failed to pass that on
>>53651818
>So you're talking about used stuff? I don't think that's relevant to the discussion
true but I mostly replied due to being accused of having no sense. Id say for a $60 MoBo/CPU combo it was pretty good.
>>53651851
NuBus > ISA
>>53652385
>apple
There's your problem.
PCI>VLB>ISA>PCIx>PCIe>NuBus>PDC
>>53652385
>using IDE, ever
>>53652530
NuBus was used in Unix systems before Apple ever used it
>>53652786
do you realize how retarded you are?
>>53652802
True, but it's still inferior to PCI/VLB.
>>53652786
By nature, parallel data is faster than serial. 1B/ unit of time is faster than 1b.
>>53652786
thats a video card, dumbass
>>53651977
>Yeah, but when you have two leads next to each other there's capacitive coupling when e.g. one pin transmits '1' and the other '0'. In such high-speeds it's an concern I guess. For example PCIE (<= 2.0) transmits one byte in 10 bits in special encoding (8b/10b) to keep 50% '1' on each signal to prevent charge buildup between leads.Another thing is internal resistance of the pins.
All those problems are still there. The pins are still there. It's just that now they're on the motherboard, not the CPU. So again, please tell me how this makes a difference.
>I don't see much into this. I actually read about this stuff this week. Use the Google Luke.
If you read about this last week then you should have no problem giving sources. You know how this works, you make the claim you give the proof.
>>53652180
>Not AMDs fault. They did what they could for their customers, manufacturers failed to pass that on
I think "making the pins physically larger so they don't fit" is the opposite of doing what they can for the customers. There was talk of power regulation not being up to scratch and all that, it would be very understandable if they simply wanted to avoid liability.
>>53652290
But you don't have any sense. You waded into a completely unrelated discussion just so you could brag about having bought a second hand CPU. What you had to say was never relevant.
>>53652839
I never claimed NuBus was better than PCI
But it is clearly superior to ISA and VLB. Be realistic anon
>>53651656
>>53651680
millennials
>>53652866
>You waded into a completely unrelated discussion just so you could brag about having bought a second hand CPU. What you had to say was never relevant.
But youre still wrong. There are plenty of AMD CPUs that are cheaper than the mainboards they get installed into. And saying the used market doesnt matter is ignorant as fuck; bent pins is most likely to manifest on used components.
A CPU is a lot easier to replace than a main board.
Used replacement equivelant CPUs are easier to find than equivelant main boards.
So basically youre wrong and also a cunt
>>53651656
are you fucking kidding me
>>53652953
>There are plenty of AMD CPUs that are cheaper than the mainboards they get installed into
There are plenty of Intel CPUs that are cheaper than their motherboards too. As a rule of thumb, you're doing something wrong if you're spending more on your motherboard than your CPU, especially now that almost everything important is integrated with the CPU.
>bent pins is most likely to manifest on used components.
You make it sound like they bend themselves.
>So basically youre wrong and also a cunt
And you've still said absolutely nothing relevant to this discussion. You are a very silly person.
>a used component that has been installed, removed, packaged, shipped, installed again, and son on is not more likely to have mechanical damage or fatigue than a new component
>calls other people silly
also
>durability of components is not relevant to this discussion we are having about.... oh yeah durability of components
>>53652385
>NuBus
yeah
no
we use that shit at work for japan radio and some US radio stuff. It's fucking awful because of the insane insertion force required, not to mention the ninja death grip when trying to remove the cards. It feels like you're going to break it both ways.
Are you retards defending pins on the CPU instead of the motherboard?
>>53653744
AMD shills, man.
>>53653744
Yes.
It's easier to fix if a pin gets bent.
