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Why linux sucks at memory management?
It has the worst memory management in history!
I can't smoothly work with some things dumped to disk.
Linux is shit, i'm going back to windows.
Win XP here ;^)
>>53645473
XP was so based...
8.1 eats 3.8GiB of my 8GiB ram on startup, i hate it senpai, at least it lets go when other programs request it, r-right?
>>53645376
it's file system caching you fucking idiot. shit gets free up instantly whenever you need it.
>>>/v/
http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
>>53645603
/thread
>>53645585
it's called prefetching, i.e. literally making use of otherwise unutilized ram
http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
>>53645603
>it's file system caching you fucking idiot
System Monitor wouldn't show that, I think. He's probably running some shit in the background.
>>53645585
fucking idiot holy shit I don't know what to say to you stupid shit
>>53645585
/g/ - Technology
>>53645603
then why does debian frozes to level of not even responding login pw on ctrl-alt-f3 when using chromium with 7+ tabs
>>53645376
Disable swapping and some gnome utility that I can't remember now.
Yeah Linux is shit like that by default. Doesn't change the fact that OP is a retard that doesn't know basic troubleshooting.
>has 6gb ram
>creates a swap partition
just go back to windows or get an OLPC with sugar XO interface or some shit
>Linux claims to be a "free" OS
>doesn't have free RAM
I dare you explain this, freetards
>>53645376
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Frequently_asked_questions#Why_is_Arch_using_all_my_RAM.3F
>Essentially, unused RAM is wasted RAM.
>Many new users notice how the Linux kernel handles memory differently than they are used to. Since accessing data from RAM is much faster than from a storage drive, the kernel caches recently accessed data in memory. The cached data is only cleared when the system begins to run out of available memory and new data needs to be loaded.
>>53645745
Because Debian is shit
>>53645779
If he works with rendering and graphical software swap partition is more than necessary you dumb ( probably frog poster ) in free time.
>>53645812
>Since accessing data from RAM is much faster than from a storage drive, the kernel caches recently accessed data in memory
Windows does the same and you faggots used to tear it apart and claim botnet for it
no one will take you guys serious, ever
>>53645887
Why are you lying? Linux has been doing it for far longer than Windows, and no one has ever claimed botnet because of caching.
>>53645881
>doing rendering and using graphical software
>with a swap partition
I feel much better about my own IQ now, thanks
>>53645887
didn't say that linux doesn't have that feature longer than windows
but caching frequently used files is one of the many things that windows gets called out on in many of those windows botnet troll threads
>>53645376
Love it when you faggots start shitposting about subjects about which you know nothing. Back to your paid for spyware Microtard.
>>53645376
>10GB swap
retard confirmed
>>53645881
>media work
>loonix
Ha.jpg
>>53645967
Once again, why are you lying? No one claims that.
>>53645779
Swap isn't just for memory overflow you know, that's also where hibernation data is kept
>>53646028
>implying hibernation doesn't use a temporary swapfile if it doesn't find swap
that's funny OP.
My laptop used to have 8 gigabytes of RAM. Windows constantly gave me out-of-memeory errors. Linux ran like a charm.
I very recently upgraded to 12 gigabytes of ram.
Guess what? My old pal out-of-memory dropped by uninvited and asked for more. The best kind of pal.
Linux? Still running fine. Better, in fact.
It looks like you are running kde, try to open the "memory information" tool.
It is a graphical frontend to free~$ free -h
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 3.8G 1.6G 148M 85M 2.1G 2.0G
As you can see, I use about all my memory, but only 2.1gb is used for applications.
I don't have swap installed because I don't really need to (got 2gb left)
You could change your settings if you don't like it.
>>53646139
1.6 is used for applications*
>>53646028
therefore >>53645972
you can't store more than RAM size when hibernate
>Autists repeatedly blast their asses over meaningless RAM use
>Not addressing core problems with Linux's shit idle CPU usage and battery usage
You fuckers are delusional.
>>53646221
Sorry I meant:
>I can't into conf files
I'm only using 73mb of ram with arch I could get it lower
>>53646350
>arch
that doesn't matter if it suddenly breaks on you
>>53646376
you have to be 18 to post here
>>53646376
Is the Arch guy a Klansman?
>>53646221
these are clearly not idle usages.
Battery usage is fine.
Unless you have some weird graphics card where the drivers are causing the usage to loop like in the OP, you can get the same if not better battery life on linux.
>>53646294
Some people like config files, others like the idea of config files.
KDE provides a graphical interface for config files you don't feel like editing them yourself.
You can select your tools to fit whatever autistic need you have, just educate yourself.
>>53646572
>using 1.5gb for OS and few firefox tabs
>acceptable
I hate modern computing so much.
>nearly 300 processes
>cpu can't handle it
>surprised
Yeah why doesn't windows/linux/OSX/etc just never use RAM for anything? We should be pulling everything from hard disk instead!
>ITT: OP is a literal retard
>>53645376
I really don't know what the fuck you did wrong, anon. All's good here.
>>53646061
but it doesn't
Oh look, another aspie Windows shill who has no idea what they're doing. Never seen that before!
I have 8gb of ram
Going to use a VM for Adobe tools (yeah, WINE a shit for me), should I bother with a swap partition?
>>53645376
Swap partitions should only be around 1 - 1.5x the amount of physical memory you have.
>>53646807
I always reserve some swap mostly out of habit I guess. The way some talk here, it's about pointless these days with 4GB+ RAM, but I like to know that I have that little bit of overflow if it ever comes up that I need it.
For your use case, it might be a good idea depending on what RAM you have and how much you're going to tax it.
>>53646828
>Swap partitions should only be around 1 - 1.5x the amount of physical memory you have.
What is the technical reason for this?
>>53646872
Well, it's complicated because I'm not entirely sure about which exact amount of RAM should I give that virtual machine, which OS to use (Win7, 8.1 or 10). I guess 4gb would be overkill for that VM alone, but then again I don't think I could easily take those other 4 on linux, I'm not the kind of person to multitask a lot and if I use a web browser, there won't be more than 6 tabs at a time.
>>53646953
You could probably do with 3GB for a Win install plus your one tool you want to use and a browser.
How much RAM overall do you have?
>>53645376
What's swappiness.
>>53647016
nvrmnd
8 GB overall
I think you'll be fine with out a swap, if you go at least 3GB for the Win install.
>>53647039
scale of 0-100 on how much Linux will cache files in swap
>Linux is shit because i haven't informed myself via a simple google search on how the distro i'm using utilizes RAM, why and what functions exist, and whether some functions can be disabled if i'm butthurt about them out of ignorance
OK OP, we get it, you are a mentally castrated retarded niggerfaggot.
You don't have to go so far out of your way to convince us.
>>53646131
If you install a 64bit distro basically everything that you interact with will be 64bit on Linux. With 64bit the only way to go out of memory is to physically run out of memory(including swap space). With windows a lot of software is still 32bit and you can go out of memory just by hitting the virtual limit(somewhere between 2-4GB depending on hardware). Even if you have more memory it can't be utilized all at once by a 32bit application.
>>53645792
http://linuxatemyram.com
>>53646828
Nah, I've got a couple programs with memory leaks, so I just keep a 120 gig swap partition with respect to my 16 gigs ram.
Got one of those 40 dollar cheap 120 gig ssds to dedicate for it, because hdd swap is slow as shit, and I don't want my main ssd to die faster.
>But it'll already last 10+ years!
Still reduces the life, no point when it can easily be avoided.
>>53647077
haha holy fuck and people not only use, but defend a piece of shit as big as windows?
that's sad
>>53645745
Yeah nah you're full of shit bro
Windows is pretty shit at cpu usage, under high cpu, windows tends to be slow as shit, while Linux full cpu stills runs fine.
>>53646680
palemoon 15 tabs, teamviewer with no remote connected, lxterminal, tin2, conky, feh running
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 2.4G 897M 887M 108M 716M 1.4G
Swap: 2.5G 0B 2.5G
>muh arch now makes sense
>>53647174
>video tearing
fucking lol
>>53647226
forgot clipit and network-manager
>>53646941
Nowadays it isn't so much of a rule, but if you're running a server, or you want to use hibernation correctly, you'll need about as much swap space as you have RAM, or just a little more.
>>53647152
That's a specific use case for you. These days, this rule really only helps with laptops.
>talk about memory managment.
>doesn't even know what swapiness values are.
>shitpost on /g instead of learning.
Please anon, go back to Windows right away.
>>53646941
I case you need to save swap usage + RAM while turn off the pc, hibernate.
In the ol'days when ram was expensive and limited by speed/motherboard, swap was necesary cause RAM overflows, then was pointless with more GB in ram cause speed is lower in hdd r/w,
so, you need swap partition only if:
>software (apps) specs
> hibernate a server that needs to respawn in the same state it was
You can also use a swapfile (as windows I guess) and tell linux how to thread it when reboots
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/swap#Swap_file
>>53645376
>Why linux sucks at memory management?
> It has the worst memory management in history!
> I can't smoothly work with some things dumped to disk.
> Linux is shit, i'm going back to windows.
This is literally something a 5 year old would write as an assignment.
>>53646579
>Battery usage is fine.
Eh...
>>53645585
What are you doing on my /g/? :^(
Linux is awful unoptimized garbage made by hobbyists. Of course it's going to have bad memory management.
>>53649083
As opposed to Windows the bloated spyware OS where you have to download 3rd party everything because their native apps are barely functional.
Where you have to wait for a folder to open because the OS is busy stupid shit you don't even want going on.
Microsoft, who half-assed a screwed up tablet interface into their desktop OS.
Nobody likes Windows, only the programs other companies write for it.
I'd rather use an OS built by hobbyists than some NSA/FBI OS slapped together by Indians.
>>53649083
>garbage made by hobbyists
Bill Gates totally succeeded in creating a alternative to hobbyist software.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists
>>53649371
The next generation. I'm impressed senpai. Don't stop.
>>53649083
>unoptimized
linux dominates embedded. youre an idiot.
>>53649371
did u get triggered lol?
>>53645376
>>Not using Based Software Distribution
>>Switching to shit(ter) tier OS
kek
>>53645376
wew lad
guys I found OPs reference
Linux does a good job, as does every modern OS
>>53645653
>it's called telemetry, i.e. literally making use of otherwise unutilized ram
FTFY
>>53649626
Sorry yes.
Microsoft needs to be seen for what it is, harmful to society.
They aren't even pretending to have any respect their users anymore and are just going full steam ahead with their own awful agendas and as a shadowy government contractor helping to usher in a new age of tyranny like the world has never seen.
People's favorite games only working on it doesn't change any of that.
The technological enhanced future everyone looks forward to is going to be a nightmare instead of a utopia thanks to companies like Microsoft.
I don't like Apple either but I'm glad they are around just so Microsoft can't have total domination again.
>>53645376
>10 fucking gigabytes of swap
stop being poor and upgrade your ram silly
>>53646028
hibernate is useless
>>53647226$ free --mega
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 24749 8153 10636 578 5960 15827
Swap: 0 0 0
>fucktons of chrome tabs
>3000 torrents loaded into rtorrent
>not much else running
I need another 24gb because I need 12 for my gaming vm, and having 80% of your RAM used is annyoing
