i believe that if you are really good at something and really passionate about it, you may get fired but you will never be replaced and you will always be valued

>IM SO DUMB AND WORTHLESS THAT I CAN BE REPLACED BY A MACHINE
>IM GONNA BLAME THIS PIECE OF PAPER

Yes, it's a meme
Go study business or something

>>53604931
Nah I never said I was bad. I just don't wanna be 30 and be replaced by some guy who will work for pennies. Cheap labor goy

>>53604944
But how is it a meme if you're actually someone who can fizzbuzz :C

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>>53604912
>But obviously a software engineer isnt gonna get replaced by a robot like all the other jobs.

They will be replaced by high school dropouts.

>>53604978
What is the picture supposed to mean?
Also the sisper book is nice.

>>53604912
>Am I gonna be replaced by a pajeet?

Depends on who the next president is.

It's infuriating that every single fucking Pajeet with any resources tries to go into IT when their country doesn't even have plumbing and toilets for half its population. Maybe they should stop building rockets and shitty support centers and graduate plumbers for a while.

>>53605093
he's saying that cs is basically 'baby maths' because he must be studying physics or something

>>53605147
it wont just be H1B holders, there is a big push across highschools to make programming a subject. in the not too distant future, developers can be a very common occupation

>>53605147
>when their country doesn't even have plumbing and toilets for half its population
You're contradicting yourself, dumbass. No one has toilets/plumbing so no one hires plumbers.

>>53605182
>>53605147
Also being a plumber in a shitty country doesn't mean shit anywhere else. Computers have standards.

vote trump.

>>53605148
Ok...
Also why does american CS students have so much math. I am studying Informatics at uni in Norway, and we only have elementary calculus and one discrete math (more logic and boolean algebra) course as mandatory math subjects.
if you go into the more EE program, you have to have linear algebra and a bit harder math than the rest.
We only have 3 subjects per semester, so they are more extensive than what you have at 5 classes-per-semester unis though.
Why so much math?

>>53604912
nah they barely know how to develop on average, last time the enterprise I'm working for (10,000+ employees) outsourced something to india, uk devs had to work 3 more months to make that product work cause pajeet can't write proper code

just don't forget to be awesome

>>53605208
Where do you study and what's the name of your degree in Norwegian?
Because if I remember correctly, we don't have much "CS" in Norway (though I'm on EE, so i didn't look much at computer degrees), it's mostly computer/software engineering?

>>53605182
Plumbers also INSTALL toilets
Just they don't do much of that in real countries because everyone already has one

>>53605269
>Where do you study and what's the name of your degree in Norwegian?
As I said, I am studying "Informatics". Uni of Oslo.
The EE branch calls themselves Nanotechnology and Robotics.

Does the US have courses/programs that are similar to Informatics?

>>53605093
It means any ordinary middle school kid could read and understand it without difficulty

>>53605303
>ordinary middle school kid could read and understand it without difficulty
Disagree.
I only know the sipser book. Sure a high-schooler or a semi-bright middle school kid could read it and understand a lot. The subject is not that particularity difficult, it is just very different from what you are used to.
Just as using fractions is difficult the first time you hear of it. Once you have done it a while, it is quite simple.

>>53605303
if companies can hire panjeets then its clear that they anyone who can lower their costs will be hired

>>53605288
"Informatikk: programmering og nettverk" I assume?
I think it looks more like software engineering programs in the US, but I can't really say for sure, since I study elektronikk on another uni in Norway.

>>53605346
Yes, that line. Nice professors, just that the introduction to programing classes are slow and trivially easy. Thankfully they have a lot of more demanding subjects one you can choose more freely.
NTNU?
A lot of math students go into informatics/programing. Seems to be more closer to the US cs path.

I want to go to grad school at a top US uni. Would lack of calculus be a problem?

>>53605208
because computer science is about mathematics and not Windows 10 programming tips, Rajesh

Will you learn interesting things? Yes. Will you get an okay job? Probably. Will you become the most successful person on the planet? no.

>>53605177
Yeah, they teach basic visual basic. I know several people who took programming 1 and 2 at my high school and they don't even know what a for loop is.

Anyways, get a computer engineering degree. Knowing about microprocessors will make you a very valuable and marketable software engineer.

>>53605376
No, UiA, though I want to take masters in cybernetics and robotics on NTNU afterwards.

For CS you'll need more maths probably, I think maybe SE would be something better for you (or try to git gud at maths and computation theory now).

>>53604912
Heh heh heh, was in a class taught by Ronald Graham (guy that made the discrete mathematics book)

(Mr noseburg enters the room) hurry up goyim! You need to make the iOS porn hub app load faster by Wednesday or you'll be replaced by pajeet.

That's what your cs degree amounts to.

check this out m8

http://scoobysworkshop.com/how-to-get-rich/

the second video (it's not more in youtube), talks about investing in yourself

try to figure it out, do you really must go for a degree? or maybe you like to make a apprenticeship? maybe working a normal job and self studying is the want you want

you have to set goals and go for it

btw, the guy is a gay dutch descendant american bodybuilder, programmer and amateur iron man runner

he is 45yo and he is already retired

make your own choices

A CS degree is one of the best investments you can make if you are not retarded. You can get 150k+ a year right out of college working at MS/FB/AMZ etc.

>>53605486
Not really, Brayden.

>>53605208
That's CS in America too. Our CS majors are so retard, they think that's a metric fuckton of math.

>>53609637
I'm making $100K a year out of school at one of the companies you listed. $150K is a bit of a stretch but possible if you're in a very advanced department.

>>53609985
Yeah but you're not out if college yet so you have no right to be saying how much you're going to make, you don't know if you'll even get a job there.

Everyone here is a troll. You're lucky to get even get a job in the industry. You need connections or no one will hire you.

>>53605193
>>53605147
Just a friendly reminder that Trump said that he wants more H1B visas for tech jobs, and the only reason why he had to "correct" these remarks later was because Jeff Sessions is literally Trump's only hope in winning the GOP establishment, and he vocally opposes the H1B.

Trump quite obviously supports visas though, he uses them himself constantly, and has always spoken in favor of bringing in "the best."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3zT6F3_1ns

Don't be a /pol/ Trumpet. Don't be gullible.

>>53604950
Protip: all the good programmers from India came here

Hi, I am the tech director for the largest department at a UC:

CS degrees are indeed a meme. The UC system in 2016-2017 is doing an admissions surge for non-STEM majors as STEM is currently completely saturated.

If you want to work in STEM, security is the only thing that isn't 100% at capacity right now (I'd say it's more like 85%).

>>53610303
What about technical writing and documentation?

What are the jobs in tech where being a native English speaker is a greater benefit?

>>53610303
>If you want to work in STEM, security is the only thing that isn't 100% at capacity right now (I'd say it's more like 85%

So in other words CS.

No you will be fine. If you listen to /g/ you will never have a grasp on the real world. If you do not have to turn down job offers coming out of school it is your own fault. Worst case Ontario is you have to relocate, but that is pretty much only if you live in some shitty place like silicon Valley or Seattle.

>>53610396

CS as in computer security, not computer science aka programming with no emphasis on anything other than making hello worlds in Python? Yes, CS.

>>53610345

Nothing? If you want to be a writer, be an English major. If you want to do technical writing though, consider doing business with a minor in information security or something along those lines.

>>53610576
>computer science
>making hello worlds in python
Spotted the shitposter from /sci/

>>53610576
>CS as in computer security, not computer science aka programming with no emphasis on anything other than making hello worlds in Python? Yes, CS.
Talking out of your bottom here mate. CS is an academic discipline with set rules.

>>53610792
>>53610781

Not in the UC system, sorry.

>>53610883
>I'm from UC Merced

>>53610576
Pretty sure that technical writing would be easier for someone when they're a native speaker.

>>53604912
>Am I gonna be replaced by a pajeet?
hey! we will take over other jobs too, just do what you love.

>>53604912
>Is a CS degree a meme degree?

No.

>Am I gonna be replaced by a pajeet?

If you go to a shit-tier "coding school" yes, absolutely.

If you go to a school where CS is actually part of the math department, or originated there, no.

MIT, RIT, WPI, Columbia, etc. Although Columbia is beholden to Microsoft for donations these days.

RIT and WPI are good schools. The only drawback is that they are in Rochester NY and Worcester (Worseter) MA, respectively. There is absolutely nothing to do in Rochester except go to school. No distractions. Worcester is slightly better in the amusements area, with Boston and Cambridge an hour's drive away. MIT is in Cambridge MA, so you get yourself cultured if you take advantage of the culture there.

WPI students target repressed Catholic girls at Our Lady of the Elms in Chickopee. Unless you are absolutely repulsive, you /will/ get laid.

If you are desperate, join the SCA. It doesn't just stand for "Society for Creative Anachronism," it also stands for "Society of Consenting Adults." If you can't get laid at the Black Rose Ball, then you're hopeless.

There are other degrees than CS, if you decide it's not for you (it's not for everyone, that's for sure), so keep your options open. Take electives in the arts and such.

Code monkeys get replaced. People in CE and actual CS don't. Take 2 more years and get your Master's.

Good luck, OP.

>>53611154
>MIT, RIT, WPI, Columbia
two of these aren't like the rest of the two.

>>53611228
>two of these aren't like the rest of the two.

No shit. Advantages and disadvantages in all of them.

I'm guessing you're dissing WPI and RIT.

You would be wrong.

>>53611268
>You would be wrong.
Why? Did you do your master's from one and bachelor's from the other? sorry I am not this rude irl, but just curious.

I'm a 33 yo CS grad who has worked as a programmer for 15 years and let me tell you kids: I would most definitely choose a completely different career if I was young again. Now, career was the last thing I was concerend about when I was getting into it. I got into it because, like most of you, I was an autist with no life who happened to be good at it and not much else. However, now that I'm older I can give you young'uns my perspective of why I think this is not a good choice career-wise:

1. You don't think you will, but you WILL get tired of this fucking industry. I'm not even old and I already am. The burnout rate among programmers is second only to porn stars. It's hard to find anyone over 40 who hadn't decided to buy a farm and breed horses instead, or some other shit like that at one point.
2. Burnt out or not, if you're over 40 you're virtually unemployable anyway. I know brilliant guys with ENORMOUS experience, guys that could program circles around anyone, typing assembly with their dicks, who keep hearing stuff like: "we recognize and respect your knowledge but we don't think you'll fit our corporate culture". The industry is youth-oriented to the point of age discrimination. Median age at Google is 29 and it's not because computers were invented 10 years ago. It's because young nerds are easy to impress with shit like free coke, XBox and shorts in the workplace, easy to convince they're working on The Next Greatest Thing Ever, have no lifes, and so they're happy to work overtime.

> cont'd

>>53611356
3. Your experience gives you no advantage over the legions of fresh graduates when it comes to "new and hot" buzzword/bandwagon technologies/methodologies (Scrum-Mongo.js-on-Agile-Rails). In most other professions you learn your craft and build your professional position throughout your entire career. In programming you need to re-learn shit almost from scratch every few years just to stay relevant (unless you're lucky enough to land a warm government job maintaing some ancient Fortran program for the next 30 years). Now, I know what you faggots are thinking: "but anon, I'm a sharp dude and I love to learn". Yeah, you do now, but wait till biology kicks in. Also, even the most autistic faggots eventually get some form of life away from keyboard at one point so it IS getting harder, and there's shitload of young and hugry CS/SE graduates every year just waiting to take your place working more for less.
4. You might think the pay is good, but when you think about it (Pajeets and the perspective of programs-writing-programs aside), there's only so high you can advance in the career ladder. Statistically you'll hit a ceiling at a project manager level and you better have enough money saved for that horse farm by then.

inb4 "you're a code monkey, I won't": talk to me in 15 years, faggots.

>>53611356
Good thing I will retire after 10 years then.

>>53610576
I've got my CS BSc and have been working as a dev for a few years, but was thinking about giving technical writing a try for a bit. Bad idea?

>>53611356
What would you have chosen instead?

>>53611299
>Did you do your master's from one and bachelor's from the other? sorry I am not this rude irl, but just curious.


I didn't go to either.

I do, however, know people who did. They do not want for work. Ever. One writes stuff for the feds and can pick-and-choose who to work for. She makes a pretty penny. She went to RIT and is pretty damn happy of the mad skillz she learned there. Lives across the river in Fairfax VA. WPI results are similar.

RIT and WPI aren't newspaper-headline schools, but they are schools that will make you valuable.

>>53611485
nothing. Theres hardly anything worth studying outside of engineering. Anon is literally a person who hates their life.

>>53611485
>>53611536
Any havy industry engineering is better than this ephemeral software "engineering" bullshit.

>>53611394
Holy shit, I've only been employed as a developer for four years and some of this rings true, particularly the point about re-learning shit that is basically like last year's tech.

I already think I want out. W-what do I do, anons?

>The pleb will starve to death in your lifetime

>>53604944

>Business
>Not a meme

>>53610062
He just said he's out of school. Out, not in.

>>53609885
couldn't be more wrong, but enjoy your 20k+ programming bootcamp!!

>>53611779

You're in the business of learning. Better strap in bud, you'll be learning till you're dead.

>>53611394
>>53611356
you're on 4chan so it's probably just because you're an insufferable prick :^)

>>53604912
Daily reminder that CS is not a degree in programming.

>>53604912
>Is a CS degree a meme degree?
yes
>Am I gonna be replaced by a pajeet?
yes
>According to my professor by 2020 there will be 1.5 million jobs open with only like 750k people working them so It won't be hard to get a job.
speculation
>But obviously a software engineer isnt gonna get replaced by a robot like all the other jobs.
eh. and it's not "engineering"
>What do /g/?
specialize

>>53614073
Software engineering is named because they apply the lessons of physical engineering design to software development. It doesn't mean that software engineering is concerned with physical engineering.

>>53611356

>Ageism

That exists in every field barring becoming a CEO.

>Learn new stuff

You should probably try to keep up on new methods, etc. to keep yourself employable.

It sounds like you expected all CS related jobs to be programming in C++ or Java for 40 years.