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So after months of delays, Microsoft doesn't deliver on its promises and older WP8 phones, including flagships (920, 1020, 925), are forbidden from "upgrading" to W10M as well as banned from "Insider Preview", which worked perfectly fine until now.
Can they sink even lower? Did they do this to sell more new shitty devices?
http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-offers-more-info-how-windows-10-mobile-rollout-affects-insider-members
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-supported-phones
And before the MS shills here start with their apologising in a "hurr ur phone is old", kindly fuck off or bring an actual argument. 430 gets the "upgrade", 925 doesn't. I'd understand they can't keep their promise and update ALL WP8 devices (like the popular 520), but this is utter shit.
> (920, 1020, 925), are forbidden from "upgrading" to W10M as well as banned from "Insider Preview", which worked perfectly fine until now
well youc an still get the windows 10 10586 build on 20 series. You will also recive all the updates that will come to 10586 buld untill the 10586 is merged with redstone . You wont get the redstone builds
Also 920 is 3.5 years old now.
Also a dick move since some of the phones that are not getting w10 are still adverised today as win10 ready.
Because MS is scared that their customers will also draw the "planned obsolescence" card. The update would slow the devices a bit down, which is common sense, running newer software that does more on older hardware that's not optimised for it slows it down.
windows phone is dead so will be w10m
mobile market is android and iOS, everything else will bite the dust
>>53551455
>Also 920 is 3.5 years old now.
lol you've got to be joking there m8
>10586
Wow, how nice of them.
>>53551494
>430 gets the "upgrade", 925 doesn't
>>53551553
>windows phone is dead so will be w10m
Now I hope so.
>>53551577
>>430 gets the "update", 925 doesn't
>430 announced in 2015
>925 announced in 2013
planned obsolescence is still valid.
>>53551602
I don't know which of those three you are. I'm presuming the second, in which case yes, I agree. As I said in OP
>Did they do this to sell more new shitty devices?
>>53551388
who cares it sucks anyway..
>>53551388
I'm not going to defend it. I swapped from my M9 to my Lumia 640 two months ago, thinking that it would improve, and that It would go well with my Win10 PC. (Freetards btfo)
I tried. I tried so fucking hard. Cortana was the only truly enjoyable experience on the phone, and even then, the Windows10 version of Cortana is objectively inferior to the 8.1 version. I was a Microsoft shill. Every post advocating the 640 on /g/ before February was probably me. But now, I don't know what to believe. I'm back on my M9, which is fucking broken. And now stuck between phones.
Windows 10 is laggy, bug ridden. Updates and patches evaporated after Microsoft layed off 7000 employees (holy fucking shit by the way). Back in November, if you reported a bug via the feedback app, provided you gave enough information, it was fixed the next week. Reasonable feature requests, if they weren't a specialty of another platform already, would basically be added in the same time frame if requested. Now, nothing, basically silence in previews. No updates, the bug lists piling up with not enough being done to rectify. Edge was fairly solid. Groove was a fucking disaster. Outlook was good, but the Facebook App is still a fucking chore to use. 90% of the apps in the store are abandonware. Language and speech packs to get Cortana working would not update to correct region settings. Nor would new speech packs download.
Back to knee-capped 8.1. I can't wait till I get my V10. Noone can call me out on this, cause I fucking tried. Fuck you. I feel sorry for any 950/XL owners out there.
>>53551626
All modern consumer tech sucks. Especially smartphones. Fucking toys all of them ever since Apple broke the market with their shit.
Eh, 10586.164 is running pretty smoothly on my 920. Some of the older models might get the official update at a later date.
>>53551663
>Some of the older models might get the official update at a later date.
M$ said that they don't plan doing a second wave / upgrading those devices to W10M.
>>53551641
>I feel sorry for any 950/XL owners out there.
Stockholm syndrome keeps them happy.
920 owner here. I've sticked with WP all these years and I was quite happy but after the HERE apps being discontinued and MS fucking us up I am done. And this come from someone who loved WP before.
And the worst part? Apps are slowly going to stop working and be discontinued on 8.1, I have a friend who had a WP7 device and apps were either being removed or stopped working one by one.
Everything went to shit once Nokia died.
>>53552924
>WP7
Time to upgrade
>>53552986
He already did upgrade. But the phone became unusable before he did.
>>53551641
>Back to knee-capped 8.1.
I'm sorry but why did you beta test Windows 10 in the first place when WP8 just fucking works?
You shot yourself in the foot with this.
I miss Ballmer. At least he would have tried to make Windows Phone better. Nadella just doesn't care about it and has put more effort in MS iPhone and Android apps than WP.
>>53553096
10 does have a couple very nice feature that are absent in 8.1
>>53553146
Like what exactly? Genuinely curious, because it seems to me a vanilla WP8 has everything you could expect from a phone, and much more from a vanilla ios or android for the record.
>>53553208
smart dialing
answering SMS directly from banner,
Some essential apps (mail, photos) are much better in w10
>>53553208
8.1 is pretty much abandonware by now though. Everyone that can't upgrade to 10 is fucked.
>>53553265
>smart dialing
Debatable, I just search from contact list myself and it works the same.
>answering SMS directly from banner
Clicking the banner to open the conversation doesn't seem slow to me.
>Some essential apps (mail, photos) are much better in w10
Those in WP8 are functional, any improvement would be quite subjective.
That's very minor improvements to be honest, and not warranting going through tons of bugs for it.
>>53553285
Upgrade for what? We're talking about an OS that just works.
>>53553546
>We're talking about an OS that just works.
Not for long. For example, the Office suite hasn't been updated since 2013 and Skype is a shitty silverlight app from 2014.
And most devs jumped ship to W10 and either abandoned their WP8 apps or downright pulled them from the store.
>>53553628
And everything still works.
>>53551641
>"freetards btfo"
>proceeds to describe how he got fucked by proprietary software
>>53553546
windows 8.1 is fucking deprecated, using windows phone 8.1 in 2016 is like using windows ME in 2016
Should I try the W10 preview on my 920? Is it good enough for daily use? I fell so screwed right now.
>>53553546
Something might seems small and insignificant for you but for some they are huge. I really like answering SMS from banner. And it annoys me when i cant do in viber since it hasn't been updated yet.
Also Outlook app is way way better than 8.1. I agree outlook in 8.1 still work, but is not as nearly as good as one in w10.
>>53553714
You can try it. Some have problems, for some it works fine. You can also try it later when new updates will be out.
>>53553829
>New updates
>920
oh am laffin
>>53553546
>smart dialing
What's that?
they even added splash screen in calculator, store, calendar, mail apps in w10m
this bs isn't in wp8
http://www.windowscentral.com/those-512mb-ram-smartphones-will-not-be-upgraded-windows-10-mobile
ahahahaha ha
>>53554229
This isn't even the worst of it. Perfectly capable phones with 1GB ram like the 920 won't get the update either.
Meanwhile the 430 which is even worse got the update just fine.
>>53554229
>my face when i kept using my old lumia 520 for several months because i was expecting a windows 10 update like they promised
thank god I switched to android last year
microsoft not even once
>>53554229
What? Not even smartphones with fucking 2 GB RAM (1020) won't be upgraded.
>>53553845
new updates like .122, .164,.... for 10586.xxx build. You will still get them if you are on production slow ring.
>>53553851
Smart dialing is using a num pad to quickly search the contacts. For example if I press 5 (JKL) it will show me all the contacts that start with either J, K, or L letter or have number 5
>>53554370
.164 is the last update you'll ever get on x2x phones. And let me remind you that it's not even an stable release.
>>53554370
Oh... so something that's been present on fucking Symbian since gods know when.
Good to know MS is behind times, as usual.
>all wp8 phones will get 36month support
>postpones windows 10 mobile
>suddenly many system app updates
>>53554386
Nope
"A: If you already have the Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview build on your device, you may keep using your device in an unsupported state. We will not be offering build updates beyond the Current Branch build 10586. At some point in the future these devices will also stop receiving updates to the Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview build. In order to recover the devices back to a supported build of Windows Phone 8.1, you may use the Windows Device Recovery Tool. There are more details on the use of the Windows Device Recovery Tool within this forum post."
The 10586 is the last branch you will get. But you will still receive the updates ( .122, .164, .xxx) under this branch until 10586 branch is merged or updated to redstone branch.
>>53554546
>At some point in the future these devices will also stop receiving updates to the Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview build.
Holy shit. Does this mean that if you own a x2x device you better get the preview builds otherwise you won't be able in the future? This keeps getting worse.
b-b-b-but...
>they fell for the bananaphone meme
Don't listen to Pajeet again
I've tried defending microshaft before as well... But it's impossible to keep using something this bad. It's like they don't give a fuck. And they actually don't. I switched from a lumia to an iPhone and I was never blown away so hard before in my life. It's another dimension of user experience.
>>53554728
>This keeps getting worse.
IT means ok you ride along as far as 10586 build is going but when that is over it is over.
>>53554593
>mfw you can completely remove the windows store in windows 10
Any decent Android phones at 4.5 inches? I am done with this shit.
>>53555004
I have loved the moto e late 2015, is only a 100$, but form factor is solid, and custom ROM support is great.
>>53555027
>5mp camera
Let me specify this. Is there an Android phone that is as good as the Lumia 920 while being 4.5 inches max?
>>53555044
>Android phone that is as good as the Lumia 920
impossible
>>53555044
Should have specified you wanted a good camera, I don't personally care about that shit.
>my phones are not supported despite being the first wave of insider windows mobile
Fuck this, I'm out of wm ride.
Any news for new Nokia phone? I don't mind about the negative point on it (android).
>>53555054
>>53555075
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP then
>>53555103
>Any news for new Nokia phone?
No. The only thing that somewhat remains from Nokia's corpse is Jolla.
>>53551388
>he bought a windows phone
>>53551388
HOW DID WINDOWS BECOME SO SHIT WHAT THE FUCK
>>53553136
poo in the loo literally just buy apple products as a status symbol and this guy is no exception, he even pushes the productivity apps onto iOS and OSX to be better than ever, even aesthetically appealing compared to what you see on windows when I saw someone using it on their Mac.
>HERE announces that their maps and other aps will be removed from WM10 and deprecated on WP8.1
>Two mere days later MS announced that older phones won't get WM10 and even Insiders will NEVER get Redstone builds
>On the same day they announce their new map app that is integrating the lost functionality from the HERE apps in WM10 but it's only available on Redstone builds
What a coincidence! It's almost like the whole thing is set so you are forced to ditch your perfectly capable phone :^)
>>53555427
They really hate us, don't they.
God damn it, why should I move to lagdroid after using such a comfy OS for 2 years.
>>53555555
WITNESSED
The only stupid thing they did is they sad every lumia windows 8 phone will get windows 10. That was so stupid and retarded.
But the be honest. I was 90% sure that 512Mb RAM devices wouldn't get the windows 10. IT was just not doable since it shares the same core as x86 windows.
As for 20 series with 1 GB of ram. The S4 SoC in 20 series is 4 years old now.
The shit has been in active development for more than a year now. When they look at feed back and saw the % of x20 phones with performance issues and the % people that would not recommend w10 on that device they made a smart move to not update the phones.
Most of WP users that use 521MB devices are older people, non technical people, if i remember correctly. So they probably value stability of 8.1 over the new features of w10. From my experience 90% of ppl (all platforms) don't even know what version of OS do they have. So it wont even matter.
>>53555586
Now try to justify this bullshit: >>53555427
The real reason we are mad is because we are stuck on a dead OS with no app updates, ever.
Same shit happened with WP7 after a while, core stuff like Skype just stopped working or were completely discontinued.
>>53555630
I still mourn for Nokia.
>>53555630
I miss when Nokia handled Lumia.
>>53555586
925/1020/1020 run W10M perfectly fine you apologist cunt
>>53555004
Xperia Z3C/Z5C
The ONLY thing that might redeem WM is an x86 phone that can run full Windows 10 with continuum
>Nokia releases Nokia Lumia 900 with WP7, April 2012
>MS releases WP8, October 2012
>6 months old phone left with WP7.8 and promised security updates that it didn't receive
history repeats
imagine if apple would release iphone and half year later dropped support
>>53555555
>>53555656
apparently not good enough. They have the data from Feedback up. They sad why devices like 920 or 925 didn't officially get w10. The % of performance issues is to high and % of ppl that would recommend the upgrade is to small.
And for 90% of users stability is way more important than a few features. Most of the users don't even know what version they are using as long as it works. For enthusiasts that are complaining they still left the doors open via insider.
I don't blame them for not updating 20 series I blame them for over promising .
>>53555555
User freedom reasons.
>>53555427
HERE maps is integrated into the default Maps app you faggot.
Found this on leddit
Lmao MS can't even get their own shit right
>>53555908
Yeah, if you're using wm 10 faggot
>>53555908
Only the basic map app. What about HERE drive, HERE transit and HERE city lens?
>>53555823
Ah yes, automated feedback, the holy grail of fucking megacorps. Or do you mean that thing where you rate them? Do you actually believe that something like 1020 runs W10M worse than that piece of trash 430 is?
What a joke, even for such pathetic shilling
> the doors open via insider
just... kek. I'm out of words at this level of stupidity
>>53555911
That place was almost reasonable for a few minutes, now it's going back to full circlejerk
>>53555555
>God damn it, why should I move to lagdroid after using such a comfy OS for 2 years.
I feel you, m8
Don't want to let go of my 930
>>53555823
Again, you fail to realize the biggest problem here: WP8.1 is abandonware, both when it comes to the OS itself but also with apps.
This shit doesn't happen with Android and iOS since you STILL get updates for the latest apps there even if you are on an old version.
This whole HERE+no WM10 for x2x devices spectacle just rendered my phone useless when it comes to maps.
>inb4 just use the WM10 preview
And I'll actually LOSE functionality since I won't be able to replicate 3 out of the 4 HERE apps and all the actual map improvements to maps are barred behind Redstone builds which I can't get no matter what.
And it's not just about the maps, the same shit will happen with other apps sooner or later, devs just focused on WM10 and abandoned WP8.1
Also, I've just realized that x2x devices never got the GDR2 update on 8.1 either. That came out back in may for newer phones.
>>53556175
The picture itself is still valid
>>53551602
Except that shows planned obsolescence more than anything - shittier hardware is able to run the latest version simply because it's 'newer'
The fact my shitty 535 has Win10 but a 920 doesn't is a travesty of bullshit.
>>53556229
>requires at least ios 8
>requires at least android 5.1
>>53556059
>Do you actually believe that something like 1020 runs W10M worse than that piece of trash 430 is?
The brute force is not really the problem it is the instruction sets.
>>53556329
I've heard that one before. Good joke.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but it is (or at least was), in fact, possible to run the same W10M version on both 1020 and shit-tier "new" devices.
I figured if my shitty 635 got the update all of them would.
Ive been trying to update my fucking 735 but it keeps giving me network errors since yesterday. Im on wifi wtf microsoft
>>53556308
>tfw i can still run the latest apps on my android 4.4
feels good man
>>53551388
Until this day I didn't mind my car's infotainment runs on Windows CE.
Now I feel like I should scrap the car.
>:^)
This is fucking bullshit.
I mean, it doesn't really affect me, I got a 735 for free and it runs W10 (and it's really nice I might add), but fuck Microsoft.
I can't stand the keyboards on iPhone or Android, and that's the thing I use more than anything else. Really fuckin sucks.
How did we let this happen, bros?
>>53551388
>Soon™
>Soon, just betatest for us plz
>Really soon
>guise like soon for real
>NEVER
>>53556850
Microsoft is bringing the WP keyboard to Android and iOS.
Also I love my 925 that I've been using the past 2.5 years, but the apps having horrendous UI and impaired functionality/missing features compared to their iOS/Android counterparts is starting to take its toll on my patience
Plus I've had several instances over my time with this phone where it just shuts off randomly and will not power on again without a hard reset (the second time this occurred it would not power on at all, and randomly came back on two days after)
I'm done with MS's nonsense. Nexus here I come
>>53557014
>Microsoft is bringing the WP keyboard to Android and iOS.
Sauce?
>>53555555
>>53555777
>>53555555
>>53555777
>>53557077
IT KEEPS HAPPENING
>>53551388
>tfw fell for the meme and bought a Lumia 920 when it was new
>tfw this thing is a tank and probably wont break for another 5 years
>tfw never replace hardware before it breaks
JUST
>>53557077
>>53557262
>>tfw never replace hardware before it breaks
Oh, shit
>>53557262
Yep, my 1020 will also most likely last forever. Good thing I've already been using PW 808 as my main and this thing only for navigation, web browsing and taking photos/videos.
>tfw they TOOK MY NAVIGATION
Next year they'll say something along the lines of
>we don't feel like WP is secure anymore, so we pre-emptively removed all browsers from all your WP devices
>we don't feel like your old camera can handle state-of-the-art panoramas, so we've fried your camera just to be safe
>>53557332
It's how I was raised senpai, only reason I'm not still using my Ericsson flip phone is it was stolen by a Somalian in high school
>>53556732
FUCK I'VE BEEN JEWED SO HARD FUCK YOU
>>53557354
They did that shit with Skype on WP7. It's only a matter of time.
What should be do all of us cucks who are on older devices? Just use the dev preview and hope for the best?
just bought a lmia 550 with windows 10 on a cheap contract a couple of weeks ago. Ivé always disliked android but windows 10 is near unusable a lis of faults:
apps take 10 mins to instal after download
games are choppy even basic
there is no decent free music app
there are no apps and the ones that are there are poorly supported/reduced functionality
The hardware is fine as is expected from nokia but the software is a steaming pile of dogshit and i'm sure microsoft are aware of this.
What was the point in them buying nokia to fuck up this badly. With the amount of windows users and the attractive ui you would think they would have made more of an effort.
DON'T BUY A WINDOWS PHONE
>>53557689
Don't worry, it's a young dynamic ecosystem, think of all the new things that will be updated to your device years from now :^)
>>53557768
>SOON
>>53557035
http://telecomtalk.info/microsoft-wordflow-keyboard-ios-android/148772/
It may not be the exact same mind you
>>53557689
I had some of the new Lumias in hand, they're not even close to what 920 feels like.
>>53557014
>Microsoft is bringing the WP keyboard to Android and iOS.
I just want that DPAD thingy that W10M has on Swiftkey
shit's cash
>>53557356
Sucks that you won't get to use any new features but I think you shouldn't fix what is not broken
>>53557843
yeah your 920 could feel amazing in hand but if you read my post you would see i was criticizing the software which i'm sure is even worse than w10 as it will no longer be supported. i have an lg viewty from 2007 in a draw that feels amazing in hand as does my iphone 3gs. Would i use them? would i fuck
>>53558925
I would still use my N95 if I hadn't smash it.
>>53558978
i had an n95 black 8gb in 2008 after the viewty that thing was amazing. Satnav apps amazing camera. Nokia were at the top of there game at that time
What's the big deal here? Just buy a new phone, faggots.
>>53559173
the deal is i'm pissed off the company like microsoft has released a rushed unfinished os out the door and there's nothing i can do about it. If it was android at lease i could flash a custom rom to it. The hardware in the 550 is virtually identical to the moto g but it's so much shitter
>tfw I enjoyed my 8.1 phone
>tfw I got the M8 windows because HTC and MS both said it would get W10M
>tfw I'm now stuck with an unsupported phone for the next year and a half
>tfw I've been thoroughly japed
>>53553136
Because Nutella knows WP has failed and there's no point in throwing any more money after it. WP only failed because of Ballmer being an idiot anyways
>me years ago
>buy windows phone
>want to play some SNES games like i used to play on my old android with a shitty single core processor
>install snes emu
>games are choppy as fuck, unplayable on a dual core processor
>go search why this happens
>found windows phone 8.1 has NO DYNAREC support, making emulation useless
>buyer remorse intensifies
i never fell for a meme this hard
>>53551641
I fell for it. I have a 950 and I have no idea how MS thought Win10M was a finished product. Edge doesn't work properly, Cortana is a joke (I tell her to set an alarm and she does a web search for 'set an alarm'). There could have been hope for it when they were developing their Android bridge software until they killed it, and now they put more support on their iOS apps than the ones on their own devices.
I'm highly considering paying out my ATT contract just so I can get an android. This thing blows.
>THEY FELL FOR THE WINBLOWS PHONE MEME
>>53555555
oh damn those 5s. reporting in from >>>/lgbt/
>>53556187
you're lucky....you don't have to. 1020 and 925 owner here. I was feelin' comfy af.
However there is a way to trick the registry into thinking you are an eligible version, and get it via insider, which is what I will do.
>625 stupidly (or drunkly) updated to WP10
>recovery tools wont work as the last recovery firmware is the latest OS which is already installed
Thanks, MS.
NEVER EVER buying phones from you anymore! Id rather suck a dick and take it up the as with an iPhone than having to struggle with this shit and android
>>53557689
But I already bought Lumia 640 last summer and serve me fine so long. Based on my experiences, my mother bought 640 as well and likes and use it even more than I do.
Both of us still failed to find application that would not have counterpart for WP.
But everytime I say this, somebody comes and say "hurr durr, how much does MS pays you". Cant I voice positive opinion anymore?
>>53560673
read the thread! He's talking about W10 phone experience not the overall phone
>>53560730
Sorry, but it happens everytime I dare to say that I like my Lumia.
>>53560799
I know, anon. Lets just face it and enjoy 8.1 until the phone breaks. Should've been the way Nokia wanted us to do it.
>>53560953
I was holding up with any ricing because of "soon" upgrade to W10M you know?
>>53560982
Although ricing on Windows10 mobile looks nice and usefull it doesnt help the fucking bug disaster it is
>>53551388
>Did they do this to sell more new shitty devices?
What devices? They have 3 new phones they launched last year in November/December.
>>53551577
The 920 was released Q4 of 2012. It's about 3.5 years old now.
MICROLEL SAID WE WERE ALL GETTING W10M
WHAT THE FUCK
>tfw lumia 650
the only thing that bothers me is the lack of major apps like snapchat, and instagram is still in beta after years (what the fuck?)
everything else is okay, aesthetic as fuck though
I just bought a few lumia 640's this week for $30 each. Got free unlock codes, and I have to say, they are the best cheap smartphone's I've used.
The camera, screen, & battery life is far way better than other phones anywhere near this price range.
I played with WP8.1 for a while, and it's pretty decent, except for the ghost town that is the WP app store.
Just upgraded to WP10 today. So far, it's a mixed bag. There are a lot of improvements, but it all seems half finished to me.
Anyway, for $30, I sure as hell can't complain, and it's way the fuck better than that piece of shit 520 I played with a while back. I do feel sorry for all you who payed good money for a top tier windows phone, and got screwed over with obsolescence. But, you only have yourselves to blame. If you payed attention to history at all, you'd have seen that microsoft has done this every single time before with every version of WinCE and Windows Mobile, Zune, etc.
>>53555555
>windows 10 ready device...support dropped, will not get win 10
>onedrive storage...reduced for no reason
>office and other MSFT apps...way nicer and better supported on lagdroid and iOS
>zune UI was godmode...music player on phone downgraded to shit tier.
they just try to copy whoever's ahead of them now.
>>53555823
>% of ppl that would recommend the upgrade is to small
because win 10 is eternal beta
>>53557354
>we don't feel like your old camera can handle state-of-the-art panoramas,
That's already happened, 535 used to have Lumia camera app in 8.1, now it has the new win10 camera app instead but all the shortcuts still point to the old app which no longer exists...
so for the 535 at least, the camera has been disabled...
>tfw reddit cucks are lapping this up, telling people to spend more money on more lies
BUY BUY BUY, IT's ONLY $30!!!
Just SPEND MORE MONEY ALREADY.
>>53559594
Jesus and the m8 is so powerful it could easily handle Win 10
>>53551388
I had a Lumia 900, a year later it was obsolete and they didn't want to let you upgrade it. The exact same thing.
Bought a Galaxy S4 and never went back nor do I plan to.
>>53551388
Sucks having a 925 right now.
>>53565590
It handles the insider version extremely well actually. Hell, it even has a hey cortana compatible chipset (not that they ever tried using it). But MS and HTC screwed the pooch with this release.
>>53551388
Last time I read, WP10 is super buggy and completely turns around a lot of the nice design features that WP had, into some more android-like setup.
So honestly, you are not losing anything worth a damn by not being able to upgrade to WP10.
>>53555931
HERE means testicle in my language.
Pretty unfortunate naming scheme.
>>53566673
Except all the new apps are going to be developed for windows 10. So anything running 8.1 will continue to lose apps because developers migrate to 10
>>53566462
I'm buying a 650 to see how windows 10 handles a low memory device with a modest chipset. if I like it, i'll get that new HP falcon or whatever it was called.
>>53566700
Just be a good goy and buy the latest phones when they come out each year. I mean it's not a problem for your iPhone now is it?
>>53551641
>Updates and patches evaporated after Microsoft layed off 7000 employees (holy fucking shit by the way).
There's some API and other changes that are being made. I've read the bug justifications. I don't agree with it, but I at least understand it.
As for the layoff, there's more going on here than you know. The easy part is that CEO's (Elop and Balmer) were playing with peoples lives to make more money. This is the basist human prevision, btw. Microsoft had some really decent products in progress. If you have access to un-released Microsoft product info, look up Maya and Tamara.
It used to be a good company to work for. It's been ruined by the board of directors and the bean counters.
As for Windows Phone. I want to like it. I really do. The Lumia 950XL looks like a solid replacement for my dearly departed 1520. HP released specs of the X3, which also looks interesting.
But I'm not a fan of current WP10 builds. I'd rather use WP8. Not really an Android or IOS fan, but the Priv seems to be tolerable for now.
>mfw i will use mein lumia until it breaks
>not getting app updates will be fun
>>53563586
>other phones anywhere near this price range
Just so you know, 640's price range is about 150 USD.
>>53566753
>Priv
Now that MS has fucked a good portion of their customerbase (which I'm part of), I'm thinking about Priv.
What's it like? I heard it feels cheap, the camera is meh, and the performance is underwhelming...
It's also fucking gigantic for my tastes.
>>53567325
> Priv
I'm not a fan, but it takes some of the Exchange MDM stuff better than anything else not WP.
I'm holding out hope for HP's X3, and there are other devices in the works from Microsoft. The 950/XL hardware is fine. But the OS...
Maybe Redstone will save us, but I'm not holding my breath.
>>53567354
Well I have 1020, so Redstone definitely won't save me.
>>53567354
>Maybe Redstone will save us
>It'll be better in the next version
- Windows phone users
>WP7.5 is going to save the platform
>WP8 is going to save the platform
>WP8.1 is going to save the platform
>W10M is going to save the platform
>Redstone is going to save the platform
>>53567416
Every platform is better in the next version.
Look at Android 2.x...
> WP7x
Based on CE, with an updated UI.
>WP8
Same UI, different HAL/Kernel/etc. Now NT based
> WP8.1
Stability enhancements and some other changes. Similar to Win 8/8.1
> W10M
Completion of NT / Mobile API integration. Windows is now one platform.
> Redstone
Stability enhancements and performance refinements.
But more on point, the platform is already rising from the ashes. HP's X3 has been confirmed, which will likely bring Dell and a few others to the table as well. And there's the stuff Microsoft hasn't announced yet...
That's ok Anon, I know, you're still learning how to troll. You can do it, I believe in you!
>>53555555
>God damn it, why should I move to lagdroid after using such a comfy OS for 2 years.
Sixts for truth.
I've been on WP only for 6 months, and it's been the smoother smartphone experience I've ever had, despite buying a 60€ model.
But hearing about how they don't even give a fuck about their current users to instead go after other user disregarding who's been there for them is plain irrespectful.
I didn't even plan to upgrade to WM10, but still I feel disrespected.
Also the continuos depreacating of stuff.
Why can't sometimes people just focus on maintaining stuff that works instead of pushing new broken stuff? And I'm not talking only about smartphones, sadly it's the trend in every consumer technological field.
Fuck this gay trend.
>>53567453
>the platform is already rising from the ashes
>>53556732
Can companies be held responsible for tweets like this as false advertising and be sued on it?
>>53567453
>But more on point, the platform is already rising from the ashes.
No it's not, it just killed any goodwill it had generated by killing off the 920 and 925.
The userbase is still tiny and is now going to get smaller.
That isn't 'rising from the ashes' that's a slow death.
>>53567508
If they can, they will.
Shekelstein, Goldberg and Associates will surely launch a class action if they think they can make a dime from it.
>>53567508
also see
>>53555911
MS is going to get rekt over this
>>53567509
>killed any goodwill it had generated by killing off the 920 and 925.
Old devices with 1GB RAM.
I'm sure the HTC 8x is also on that list. Even the 930 is 2 years old...
>>53558925
Not him, but I actually liked more the user experience on 8.1 than on 10.
Can't even put a finger on the why, but it just felt more right.
>>53567601
On 7 and 8 Microsoft actually knew what they wanted to do with the UI
10 looks a lot like Android (Action bar up top with the hamburger menu button, less focus on typography)
>>53567573
>Old devices with 1GB RAM.
That's about as relevant as
>ur phon is old xDDDD
Kindly fuck off or come back with some real argument.
>>53567637
oh wait, you did actually say "old". Lol, double irrelevancy.
Fucking shills swarming the internet these days, seriously
>>53566462
>tfw lumia 535 and upgrade adivsor says I'm not elegible
oh well
>>53567573
>Old devices with 1GB RAM.
Most win10 capable phones are 1GB...
MOST of them.
Most of them also have slower SoCs than the 925.
I was excited about the future of win phone last year, now after seeing MS in action again, I'm out.
Guaranteed next year the 950 won't get updates due to being 'too slow' comparative to the 960.
The "Old devices" excuse doesn't hold water though
The 430 is getting WP10, even though it has a very low end budget SoC (Snapdragon 200), meanwhile the 925 is using an S4 CPU, which is a year older (I think) high end CPU
>>53567637
So, by your argument, we'd all still be running 486's or PPC's then?
Hardware and software requirements change over time. It's the nature of the beast.
> Fucking shills swarming the internet these days, seriously
That's your argument? Alrighty then.
>>53567664
For the preview builds, yes. I don't know if RTM and / or Redstone will support them.
> the 950 won't get updates due to being 'too slow' comparative to the 960.
That'd be some fucked up repugnant shit, no doubt. Not sure it'd be much different than what Apple does with iOS though.
>>53567684
>So, by your argument, we'd all still be running 486's or PPC's then?
Are they more powerful than modern low-end PCs?
>That's your argument? Alrighty then.
And it has more basis than any of the crap you've said so far, shill. Better re-read your shilling guidelines.
>>53567610
What a shitty design philosophy.
>x is more successful because it was earlier on the scene
>we have better stuff, people just don't know it
>let's switch to make stuff shit as x, people will surely switch to us now
It doesn't work for Firefox chasing Chrome
It will not work for WP chasing Android
Also, fuck Google and fuck normies that granted its success, and fuick that now everybody tries to imitate them to cater to retards.
Holy shit I'm mad.
>>53567714
I wonder of MS did it because of their iOS porting thing, so that iOS app don't look too out of place
>>53567684
>Not sure it'd be much different than what Apple does with iOS though.
Apple has the longest support of any mobile vendor mate.
The iPhone4S is still getting official updates...
>>53567714
catering to the retards is the biggest consumer tech movement nowadays
nobody can't prove otherwise
I have a Nokia Lumia 640 and have been waiting for this fucking update for almost a year. Nothing so far.
>>53553644
>pulled from store
>still works
Are you retard or shill?
>>53567707
>And it has more basis than any of the crap you've said so far, shill. Better re-read your shilling guidelines.
> Shill
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
>>53567724
>The iPhone4S is still getting official updates...
http://www.macrumors.com/2015/12/29/ios9-iphone-4s-lawsuit/
>>53567684
>So, by your argument, we'd all still be running 486's or PPC's then?
>Hardware and software requirements change over time. It's the nature of the beast.
Except the 925 has a FASTER SoC than a majority of Win10 devices.
Not the 'preview release' devices as is your standard fallback argument.
Lumia 435, 530, 532, 535, etc, etc all have the same shitty 1.2ghz quadcore Cortex-A7 with Adreno 302 combination - A quallcom MSM8212
Benchmarked here: http://hwbot.org/submission/2578882_monphonecompte2_hwbot_prime_snapdragon_200_msm8212_1200mhz_1888_pps
The 925 has a dual-core 1.5ghz Krait, benchmakred here: http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/snapdragon_s4_msm8960_1500mhz/
As you can see, the 2 core 1.5ghz krait annihilates the 4 core cortexA7.
The 925 is a faster device, yet it's not on the list simply because Microsoft want more money.
>>53567754
Whats worse, that your device is slow due to updates or that you have to throw your device away because it's no longer secure?
I'd take a slow phone over a useless brick anyday.
>>53567760
From what I've seen, 43X Lumias have a dual core CPU.
>>53567792
Yeah, they use the MSM8210, which is a dual core Snapdragon 200
>>53567792
That's even worse then...
MS are clearly just breaking support to force people into upgrading.
Shit like this is why I'm leaving windows phone.
>>53567808
And yet M$ fanboys keep yapping about how W10M needs quad-core and that's the reason why the x2x flagships don't get the update.
what a joke
Looks like the redditor "itskai" has gone home.
Should be less shilling for a while.
>>53554229
>implying i need that buggy shit on my 630
i will only abandon WP when HERE Drive+ finally dies on my phone
>>53567985
Don't update then, HERE is basically broken on win10 and there won't be any future updates.
>>53567961
>Should be less shilling for a while.
>Shill
I still don't think that word means what you think it means...
How much this "lack of support" is going to change anything for the user? If microshit software does not upgrade, won't it still just work?
>>53568212
I'm sure there's bound to be some change as time passes. But I have an HTC HD7 as a backup phone, and even though it's running WP7.8, it still makes calls, texts, and gets email.
What changes are you concerned about?
I want those curryniggers ded
I've got a 520, so I'm not all that upset about the lack of W10.
But the direction the platform is taking is just awful.
I hate myself for thinking that things will get better with MS.
i wouldn't be surprised that ms would release new updates for system apps and camera app for WP8.1
with new bugs of course
>>53551641
I was probably one of those faggots in your threads supporting WP.
I too switched to a 640. From a goddamn S6 no less. Once I had W10 on my phone I was convinced it would be a stable device, but I've had nothing but issues with it. I just went back to my S6. Windows Phone is fucking dead in the water and there is no saving it.
>>53559795
Then he should kill it already instead of maintaining a subpar product alive.
if ms can't support wp8 why would app developers would?
look at snapchat for ios, newest version werks on fucking 6yo iphone
>>53568302
> Snapchat
Not an issue with WP/WM. The Snapchat CEO has refused.
>>53568315
>The Snapchat CEO has refused.
BASED
really cool move
>>53568337
Not really. And actively suing 3rd parties that use their open API with Windows Phone is even more of a dick move.
>>53568366
>dick move.
or genius
ms bought minecraft just to get it in wp store
for some $
>>53568423
No. Minecraft was bought to get kids into coding. And it's actually kind of working, surprisingly enough.
But yes, large sums of money were paid for it.
>>53555630
Pozdro z Wawy. Lumia 920 w 2012 - 2013 była najlepszym telefonem komórkowym jakiego w życiu używałem.
RIP w pokoju słodki książe ;_;
>>53568423
>>53568439
At least Microsoft didn't spend a billion dollars buying BEATS like Apple did.
>>53568452
sadly i don' t know what this means
even though i posted that image
>>53568456
still
8 millions for some small game is a lot
>>53568456
The only reason I can think of for Apple to buy Beats is for the name. But hey, it's their money, and they have enough of it, so more power to them?
>>53568469
> 8 millions
No. 2.5 Billion (With a B) US.
I miss sweaty Ballmer
Did you really expect microsoft to do anything else but be a total asshole?
Like seriously it being a microsoft phone is why you don't get one
When is Belfiore back? He's our last hope to save Windows phone
>>53559594
that is why I never buy OEM and carrier phones.
>>53568707
he uses ipone
>>53560494
yeah but I doubt that MS will fix any device specific bugs if that device is not supported.
>>53559594
You shouldn't have an issue with W10M on an M8. I haven't with mine.
I love my Lumia 830 and I will keep it until it dies of natural cause, and I guess I'll do the same with WP8/WP10. I'm too used to it to shift to iOS (costly as hell and with silly blocks) or Android (silly UX).
I guess I'm a loser even when it comes to smartphones. At least I didn't buy a Surface RT...
>2016
>owning a pocket fedora
i will use 1020 until it breaks
sadly it doesn't do 4k videos
and offline maps soon will be outdated
>>53567760
>Except the 925 has a FASTER SoC than a majority of Win10 devices.Not the 'preview release' devices as is your standard fallback argument.
>Lumia 435, 530, 532, 535, etc, etc all have the same shitty 1.2ghz quadcore Cortex-A7 with Adreno 302 combination - A quallcom MSM8212Benchmarked here: http://hwbot.org/submission/2578882_monphonecompte2_hwbot_prime_snapdragon_200_msm8212_1200mhz_1888_pps
RAW power is not the way to go. That is why you see hardware acceleration support for different thing in new hardware. It enables weaker silicon to do thing more efficiently and quicker than old silicon can do without hardware acceleration. You can still do it with brute force but hardware acceleration is the right way. That is why they probably cut 20 series off. TI can sort of do the job but, with brute force but that can cause problems elsewise.
>>53568290
What are your biggest complaints with w10 so far? I just installed insider (rather than advisor for some stupid reason) and let my phone search for updates. Hoping I can still back out of the insider upgrade, it only seems to be prepping an install and hasn't had me click through anything just yet. If it's as buggy as you say on the release version, I definitely don't want to mess around with the insider version.
I got the 640xl because it was a free upgrade, I'm pretty surprised they're upgrading it to w10 desu.
>>53568985
>and offline maps soon will be outdated
Which is hilarious, because HERE is also the creator of OVI maps, and those still get map updates.
>>53568999
Looks like the shill is back
>inb4 that word meme
There's only one thing that matters - does what is the difference between 925 and 430 in terms of running the OS? Does the 430 run the OS better?
>>53568707
I=m quite sure he is not coming back. You don't take 6 month paid leave in when you are in the middle of launching new OS and devices.
He is pretty much done.
>>53569019
>Looks like the shill is back
>Shill
I still don't think that word means what you think it does...
>Microsoft
What did you expect?
>>53568707
>belfiore
>nice_flower
>>53569019
>There's only one thing that matters - does what is the difference between 925 and 430 in terms of running the OS? Does the 430 run the OS better?
apparently there is less issues whet 430, other wise why would they update 430 series?
Kid you don't know what you are talking about. IT is not all about
>Muh MegaHurtz, it has more Poooooower
>>53569063
Answer the question, whelp. I'm really disinterested in your hypotheses and memes.
so unsupported devices will get 10.0.14267 (Redstone) via insider program?
>>53569177
No. It's not even clear if they are going to get any updates at all past 164.
>>53569120
I did answer the question.
But I gona ask you this. How do you know that most of the phones do work correctly, how do you know that they will work correctly when new feature, new updates arrive. You don't because all you can judge on is 1 phone.
You know shit how things work. You are like those guy that were mad when 1020 didn't get support for 4k video recording and 930 did although it has twice as many mega pixels.
And nah I don't use G2 as main phone just a couple of wp phones around for development.
>>53569371
typo
>*do use G2 as main phone idiot.
WPFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>53569371
>I did answer the question.
No, you did not. The question was "what is the difference between 925 and 430 in terms of running the OS?", not "what kind of a stupid excuse can your insignificant brain produce?".
>all you can judge on is 1 phone
Keep believing that and it might become true!
>You know shit how things work
kek, keep kicking, you're drowning in your bullshit.
I bit the bullet and I am installing 10586.164 on my 920 though the Insider shit. I sure hope it doesn't fuck my shit up any further.
>>53569371
How do you explain phones like the 920/925 not even getting 8.1 GDR2 then? Face it, MS silently abandoned perfectly fine phones cause they want you to buy new stuff. And they lied about support.
Funniest thing is, I considered myself a WP fan until yesterday. Now I just mourn for Nokia.
>>53569485
U DUN NO HOW THINGS WERK
>>53566462
>530
>No windows 10 because they can't be bothered installing the update package to the SD card
I still think Windows is intentionally botching the WP platform.
Also, wtf happened to the glance screen after this update? It's not only gone, you can't even view it in the settings for more than a couple seconds without crashing
>>53570190
ms just silently kills all nokiaish stuff
fucking waiting for Verizon to push the update.
luckily my 735 wasn't on the chopping block.
don't pretend y'all boohoo niggas weren't just waiting for surface phone anyway.
Microsoft a shit.
still waiting for denin
>>53570274
Microsoon
hi guys
using lumia 900
so how do i get windows 10 mobile?
>>53570326
install upgrade advisor from windows store you fucking idiot
>>53570241
cant you take it to nokia care ceter and ask them if they can put a standard ROM on?
I have German T/mobil 930, but i remember that nokia care center here ofered me to put clean ROM on it. So it is basicaly the same as buying unlocked. But i decliend since they asked would onlso chare me 40E for the service.
>>53570326
tfw using Pocket LOOX N560 and no and no W10M
>>53570391
m8, Americans are bitches of their telcos
>>53570274
My 640 that I got for $30 came with denim installed
Don't want to update to 10 even if it's available because I don't see the point, takes up space and will likely improve things little
I don't why you guys always want to update when there's always bugs and shit
>>53570391
*But i decliend since they would also charge me 40E for the service
>>53551388
>your phone still works fine
>Microsoft is terrible for not forcing unstable updates that might destroy your phone
>Fuck you Microsoft
Eat shit OP. You can always root and install if you're an autist.
>>53566462
The vast majority of 630 and 635 are not getting Win10. Well, the 1GB variants are, but those are very rare.
>>53567278
>Just so you know, 640's price range is about 150 USD.
I know that feel, bro. Being a Eurocuck truly sucks. =(
whats so good about windows OS?
>>53570624
>Buy Lumia 521 ages ago
>Sucks total dick and puts a bad taste in my mouth.
>Consistently buy androids
>Haven't been cucked once.
feels good man.
>>53570684
I ask because bought a 640 for $30 that I unlocked so I can use it when I move to the UK but from the 5 minutes I played with it all I see is a convoluted mess. I also don't get the lagdroid stuff because my moto g is pretty good
I am going to be a windows phone user though, I am not buying a new more expensive phone
>>53570624
The fact that it runs fast as lightning on cheap ass hardware. Which was great 3 years ago, when paying 250 euros over here got you an Android phone that was basically a turd running an OS at senior citizen speeds. Nowadays, fortunately, thanks to mostly Chinese manufacturers, you can get cheap android phones that don't actually feel and behave cheap.
Too bad for MS customers they're too busy trying to buy the competition (and subsequently killing those businesses) to give a rats ass about the fact that their own ecosystem is being neglected and at a development standstill compared with ios and Android.
