Apple getting rekt in three weeks LMAO
FBI doesn't give a shit what's on the phone. It was issued by his workplace, there wouldn't be any terrorist plans on it.
The FBI wants to establish a court ruling that'll force all future hardware to give them backdoors.
McAfee software confirmed for botnet.
>>53117434
This. The FBI wants a reliable way to do this on any phone, and John McAfee must know that. He's not a complete retard.
>>53117334
>how do you want your encryption senpai?
I'm pretty sure what would happen is this:
>FBI lets McAfee have the device in a controlled environment
>McAfee and his "super l33t hacker crew" act like they're doing some serious work
>in actuality what they're intending to do is fuck up the device and trigger the wipe
>it happens
>McAfee says "Oops..."
>laughs about it behind the backs of all the Feds along with his crew
>still stickin' it to The Man with a big fat FUCK YOU
FBI pissed, government pissed, but really what the fuck can any of them do to him at that point.
>>53117589
>He's not a complete retard.
I'm not so sure about that...
>>53117589
Still, if they manage to actually break the phone, then the feds casus beli will be weakened.
>>53117853
>>in actuality what they're intending to do is fuck up the device and trigger the wipe
Yeah right keep believing that kek... McAfee is botnet-tier software company. They don't give a fuck about ethics nor privacy.
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP
>>53118399
John McAfee has had nothing to do with McAfee Anti-virus for like 17 years
>McAfee
>Not bat-guano crazy
Pick one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg
>>53118464
he acts nutty, but every time he's on the news he's making sense.
>>53117853
Wouldn't they backup the phone before letting him have a go at it?
>>53118720
If the FBI could back up the phone in its current state, they could just do their bruteforcing over and over again on the same device by just restoring the backup, try it till it fails, restore the backup, over and over again.
>>53117853
>but really what the fuck can any of them do to him
Uh, jail him for tampering with evidence?
>>53118806
And who's to adequately verify the FBI and their techs haven't fucked the phone up already? They admitted they changed some info already on the iCloud account related to the phone so, at this point I wouldn't trust anything from the government's side of things at all.
The government is trying to make this shit work like a Good Samaritan law: at this point Apple has nothing to do with any of it, they're just the bystander, and the government is now trying to force them to participate and actually provide assistance in their efforts to save the data on the iPhone.
Apple should tell all of 'em flat out to go fuck themselves.
Is this the nigga Vice cucked with EXIF data?
Everyone is missing what's really going on. The FBI isn't looking for a precedent, they have it already. Apple has complied with 70 previous orders under similar circumstances.
What really happened is that the magistrate judge thought the FBI's reliance on the All Writs Act to justify the order was dubious.
The judge publicly asked Apple if they had any objections, and the media picked up on it. Once public, Apple was forced to object and here we are.
>>53118417
Looks like that's been done already
>>53117940
He admitted his own anti-virus was the worst program ever made
Yes, Come to the US. This isn't a honeypot designed to lure you over. Don't mind the guy with the black cloth behind you.
>>53117334
Is he going to make the GUI in visual basic?
whats the big deal with the device wiping? does it wipe 7 times or something?
cant they just use data recovery on it?
>>53118942
It's solid state storage, dumbass.
>>53118942
>data recovery of encrypted data on flash storage
>>53118863
>deeds by American government services are properly verified
>the FBI needs evidence to jail someone
lmao
>>53118773
>i have no idea what im talking about
>>53117434
They already all have backdoors because lol NSA. Helping get information on a phone is only enforceable IF the backdoors are in place, thus only scummy companies that have done this would be able to comply to begin with, thus the ruling would have counter-effects in a non-shit world and will have literally no effect in this one.
>>53119000
>/g/ in 2016
>knowing even the slightest thing about anything
>>53117334
For all you people new to power politics, heres how it works:
Apple gives the FBI access but the guy they are after knows this. His lawyers demand to see legal documentation proving they are allowed to do this. The FBI denys they did it and just to back them up, Apple say we told the FBI to go fuckin whistle. Then to cover both their asses the FBI go to court pretending to be in some big fucking fight. This way Apple gets to save its virginity and the FBI dont look as though they just raped a muslim up the ass
>>53119134
>an american citizen up the ass
FTFY, everyone would like to see the FBI fuck a mudslime up the ass.
>>53118896
>Looks like that's been done already
Indeed, and how.
>>53119156
PROMOTION!
>>53119156
gross
>>53119156
That's a really cute pussy.
Name?
>>53119156
Because of people like you, clover was suspended from g play
>>53117853
Se he works just like his software then?
>>53118889
70 previous orders, only the phones weren't fully encrypted and shipped with the security apple has now.
>>53117589
He knows exactly what he's doing. He's trying to force them into saying this whole thing isn't about this specific phone at all. The FBI were saying "nonono we don't need a backdoor, we just need to you unlock it this one time :^)", so mcafee is saying "sure", and now the FBI are rused because if this really is just about the one phone, they have no choice but to accept his offer.
>>53117853
are you stupid? they would make a copy before fucking with it
>>53118399
John McAfee is not part of the McAfee company anymore.
You really have to watch his vids on Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg
>>53119224
Those phones were similarly situated. The 5c actually has less security because it doesn't use the modern hardware encryption that the new iPhones do.
Apple is only raising a stink now because the judge made it public and the press picked up on it.
I fully support what Apple is doing, but we should question their motives.
>>53118773
the bakcups are not the limiting step in bruteforcing and mounting read-only is free
>>53119259
>make a copy
It's not nearly that simple.
>>53119315
why not
>>53119273
Why?
-They have backdoors
-There is a legal standing court order to deliver information
-It targets a specific individual
There is literally 0 reason for apple not to comply. It's not targeted at every device constantly like what apple is already doing for the NSA. It is not targeting someone at "random" and without due process.
>>53119273
Apple's motives were clear right from the start.
>1. Money (or the lack of it)
Apple doesn't get reimbursed for the time their employees spend complying with the court orders, employees aren't free.
This is the reason they started their privacy campaign with iOS4 encrypting the user partition.
>2. Popularity
That that Apple is somewhat known for not selling out like everyone else, they have to maintain that image lest the lose customers gained purely due to the privacy of the devices.
>>53119028
They have a way of accessing transmissions, not the phone itself.
>>53119337
Each device has a hardware UID that makes copying contents practically impossible. It's the reason that the decryption has to take place on the device.
>>53119353
Frankly, I believe the war on terrorism is an illegitimate war fabricated to control society. The risks from terrorism to individuals or "national security" are practically zero. The programs to fight terrorism have proved to be ineffective while we're forced to sacrifice valued rights.
If Apple wants to be a throw it's weight into slowing that machinery down, I have no problem with that.
>>53119337
Everything needs to happen in the device, you can't just dump the image on a PC and do it there.
Because the user passcode is salted with a hugeass, unique random string baked into the hardware, and this combination constitutes the encryption key, not the passcode alone.
If you were to do it in a PC, you'd have to *also* bruteforce this unique string, in addition to the passcode, which is impossible in a century's timeframe.
>>53118916
Don't confuse being able to admit you are a retard with intelligence.
Just because he knows his work is shit doesn't make it or him any better.
>>53119429
But this case is completely unrelated to the fight terrorism bullshit which does NOT require any court intervention and does NOT require targeting any specific person and comes for free because every large company is in on it. That's the point. That's the thing that is bad. Targeted, lawful breaking has never been an issue, applel shills are trying to make it seem otherwise.
>>53118806
>Uh, jail him for tampering with evidence?
>FBI asks him to unlock a device
>something goes wrong and everything is deleted
>they jail him
>america, not even once
>>53119780
If the FBI can break into it, then they should (provided there's a court order).
I guess the whole terrorism thing has left such a bad taste in my mouth that its hard to cheer for the FBI or other government organizations. As an aside, over half of the FBI's budget is spent on counterterrorism.
>>53117434
>It was issued by his workplace, there wouldn't be any terrorist plans on it.
i thought they wanted to know who he had been communicating with in the time prior to the attack.
>>53119231
>The FBI were saying "nonono we don't need a backdoor, we just need to you unlock it this one time :^)", so mcafee is saying "sure", and now the FBI are rused because if this really is just about the one phone, they have no choice but to accept his offer.
disagree. this is a guy with a questionable history. they're under no obligation to trust him with important evidence.
>>53117334
But now John will get in trouble with apple for breaking their encryption, which is against the law.
>>53117334
If you read what McAfee said, he says his team is consisted of 75% social engineers and then rest coders. He's not planning on bruteforcing the encryption, they're just gonna guess his password somehow. That's hardly a statement against apple.
>>53119450
If it's baked into the hardware, it should be even easier.
>>53121167
solving math problems is not illegal.
>>53119664
McAfee Antivirus hasn't been his work for 17 years. He's said that he's disgusted and ashamed of what it has become and that it still has his name on it.
>>53117334
I seriously doubt someone who's been in cocaine induced delirium for the past 20 years can write a single line of code, much less decrypt something.
what has he done in security in the last 20 years?
>>53121302
ah yes, using social engineering to find the password of a dead person.
>>53118417
Mc Afee is literally UNJUST tier. Stop forcing your retarded memes. He is like 60 years old and could kick all of our asses. He is also fucking rich.
>>53117334
> We will use social engineering
> social engineering
> on someone dead
We got some /x/ stuff right there guys!
>>53121569
The only thing he can kick now is the bucket desu senpai.
>>53121167
>>53121410
He wont, you fucking retard. He is actually saying that you dont need to break encryption or put back doors on phones to break a sandnigger password. Its called social engineering. They will just study the owner, other less secure accounts of him and try to get his password. And they will without even need to break apple's security.
The FBI already knows that, and could do it easily. Mc Affee is just forcing them to admit the lie.
>>53121583
I wouldnt take my chances and neither would yo.
He already got away with murder once.
>>53117334
Why does he look like that?
>>53121682
that's what 20 years of cocaine abuse does to you
Does he know something about current encryption algorithms that the FBI and academia doesn't know or does he simply know some iOS exploit that weakens it?
>>53121087
That's why they intercept every call
At this point I don't know how people can't see this is just their attempt at seting a precedent to put a backdpoe on everything
>>53119172
he sure likes them dark, doesn't he?
>>53121638
That only works if the guy is a normie and uses the same password for everything.
If he actually picked a secure strong password they won't break it. The encryption itself as long as implemented correctly is unbeatable within a lifetime.
So basically they are saying: Maybe if he wrote his password down on a napkin somewhere, or told his cell phone password to his girlfriend we can recover it. If he actually took precautions to keep it secure, it's not gonna be broken.
>>53121638
Oh also, i'm not a fucking retard you salty man child.
>>53121835
>That only works if the guy is a normie
Its a fucking sandnigger for god's sake. Its worse than a normie. Not a special super secret OPS with geniouses backing them up.
They recruited him but that doesnt mean he was a genius l33t haxx0r. He sure had other older accounts and shit.
The FBI does this shit all the time. Mc Afee knows it and thats why he is pressuring them. He wouldnt offer them a 3 weeks solution if he wasnt 100% sure that its easy to do.
>>53121801
Once you go black, you know the rest.
>/g/ sides with terrorist mass murderers
Why am I not surprised.
>>53122033
this
>B-b-b-but MUH ETHICS!!!!!
>>53122033
But anon, isn't the majority view NOT to side with the government?
>>53118399
Get the fuck out
>>53117334
He's trying so hard to be relevant again.
Proof the NSA doesn't have backdoors in everything right here.
>>53122033
>He enjoys the nanny state
How does it feel to live in a country where you can't sell kinder eggs, because of government passed legislation?
They probably figured you'd all choke to death, the retards you are.
>>53117334
>he does it for free
>>53122057
>boogers
MACEDONIA IS SERBIA
>>53122167
Apple is part of PRISM, so they do. Pic related.
>>53122401
How come they haven't had their phone cracked yet.
>>53122444
The NSA isn't the FBI. over half of the FBI's budget comes from "terrorism bux" so they have to compete with the NSA.
If they thought anything substantial was on the phone, they would gave called in the NSA. At this point, they have all the call history, locations, and messages, as well as a full copy of her phone from a backup in October. This is just a fishing expedition. They thought they court would grant it, like they've done the other 70 times, instead the judge publicly asked Apple if they had any objections to the order before he ruled. Apple didn't want the negative publicity and BAM, here we are.
>>53118399
This website is only for adults over the age of 18.
>>53117940
http://www.techinsider.io/john-mcafee-iphone-backdoor-terrible-idea-2016-2
I have my theory about this public bullshit
>FBI already unlocked the iphone ( as they reset the password in less than 24hrs after the incident)
> If the FBI didn't unlock it, they can, however, secretly ask apple to do so by NSL ( national security letter) and prevent it from speaking about it in public by gag order.
So, you may ask, why the hell they did all that in pubilc
> FBI want more backdoors
>Apple get praised for the muh security and market about it.
So , why this incident , why not other mass shooting that happens almost every week in US
Well, it'll hit multiple birds by one bullet
> The attacker is moslem so they can get the public support for this.
> They get more backdoors and try to justify any anti encryption decision or acts in the future
Who lose , here ?
YOU, the public.
>>53121427
nice time/date get
>>53118773
Copying a media bit by bit is easy, brute-forcing AES256 is not.
So yeah, the phone is probably already backed up.
>>53121087
They were using dumb-phones they destroyed moments prior to the attacks, they also destroyed their home computers, the iphone and the icloud are whats left. And Apple already provided the FBI with the cloud data.
They probably knew not to trust an employer provided phone and the cloud so it is high likely there is nothing there, which is why they did not bother to destroy.
>>53122033
Aiding with hundreds of millions of users who would otherwise have their privacy compromised.
And think for a minute, why is it that the ones most vocal about getting access to others data are the ones with the highest secrecy standards?
>>53123303
>this is what iTerrorists actually believe
>>53123330
Once it is known to be possible with one device it will be trivial for them to ask again for another. The tricky part as of now is that such system does not exist yet and Apple would have to develop it. Not to mention foreign states being aware of it, demanding such tools under the risk of blocking business in their territories.
>>53123427
A system that stays under lock and key at Apple or FBI HQ.
If some "terrist" actually hacked their way in to the point where they're in Apple's servers, there's far worse things they can steal like Apple's SIGNING KEYS which actually will unlock everything.
Making this thing has absolutely no risk whatsoever.
>>53117334
DUDE DRUGS LMAO
>>53123476
>Once it is known to be possible with one device it will be trivial for them to ask again for another.
It may be terrorists now, but how can you be sure it will be terrorists again next time?
My other point still stands by the way.
By the way, it is not unthinkable that they can be hacked and under current schemes having Apples keys would not help break user side encryption.
>>53117589
He's not a retard, just a smart but paranoid druggie.
>>53123330
>will not modify iOS
Probably impossible. The features are managed by iOS with no API allowing user apps to bypass.
>only load and execute on the subject device
LMFAO not even close to possible. Any device UUID that is readable at an app level is readable by the FBI. If Apple writes software that checks for such a UUID it would be trivial to change it to check for any UUID. Even a script kiddie could figure that one out.
>"this is what fbi actually believes" - Laughing Sluts
>>53123476
>under lock and key
>at FBI HQ.
Choose one and only one.
>>53123670
Found the inbred
>>53123476
>under lock and hey at a government facility
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Personnel_Management_data_breach
Hopefully FBI security is tighter than the NSA's. Snowden walked right out the front door with "the crown jewels." The buffoons still don't even know how much he took.
Are these really the people we should be trusting to keep secrets?
>trusting applel
lmao
>>53121801
the black one with the braids is his wifey and former career prostitute
>>53119847
>thinks terrorists are real and not paid by the us
holy shit, you must be using windows.
>>53126848
I use Qubes, faggot
>>53121569
More like 70, holy shit.
>>53124135
>internet czar
WHAT?!
>>53118773
>i watch youtube videos to learn this stuff
>>53118464
as if that wasn't one of the best instruction videos of all time.
>>53119000
>>53123123
>>53129962
>not knowing that chips can be decapped and have data read off them with an electron microscope
If the FBI wanted the keys they would have already had them.
>>53119847
since the phone no longer has an owner the FBI can do whatever they want with it.
>>53119265
>just like that time when I hired a hooker... to do my taxes!... while I was fucking my secretary...
>>53122719
>why this incident
because this was actually a terrorist attack with links overseas... you know an actual attack.
>>53119134
The guy they are after is dead, so.
>>53130945
>since the phone no longer has an owner
The phone is owned by the county health dept.
You know, the clowns who changed the iCloud password when the FBI told them to.
You'd almost think that they didn't want to find out what was on the phone.
Doesn't McAfee hates law enforcers? I guess he hates TURRURIST even more.
>>53117334
What we know from FBI statements and other public utterings.
>>53131612
Whoever wrote that is a fucking moron. If somebody has the clearance and access to steal that custom firmware, they have access to Apple's private keys for signing firmwares and making them "official". The creation of a custom firmware for that one iPhone has absolutely zero effect on other iPhones.
>>53118464
Holy shit
>>53118399
being this young and already an insufferable faggot
I find it hard to believe that government can't hack the phone themselves.
Even if McAfee proves to untrustworthy, it isn't impossible that he could do it and I think some random hacker out there could probably do it eventually, government hackers have state backing so they have resources and money.
Also the government could easily clone the device bit by bit to do what they intended to do.
They are billions of papers by government forensics discussing these techniques.
all of the tinfoil in this thread, it's too much
>>53118464
Why does McAfee have such a pleasant "radio" voice? He won the life lottery in so many ways.
You are all autistic, John McAfee hasn't belonged to the company for over 15 years, he sold it a long time ago.
How is it even possible for them to flash a new OS to the phone without corrupting the data? Is Apple so shitty that they never even considered that this might be a possibility?
>>53133261
Because Apple actually does have a set of master keys that it uses to sign new iOS firmwares. They're also full of shit about how this custom firmware coded to only work on one iPhone is of any threat at all when their master keys are a much higher priority target.
They're just terrorist harboring cunts.
>>53117434
>>53117589
>>53119231
literally exactly this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MpQsmP10No
>>53133261
Because the space on the device is partitioned for the OS and the storage as two different things in two different locations.
Do you not actually understand how smartphone storage works?
>>53133524
I am wondering why Apple would fail to think of this in advance if they were actually concerned about this sort of thing. Any attempt to install a new OS without entering the passcode should nuke the storage.
>>53117940
kek
>Gf is major macfag
>She just pulled a "Apple is the only company defending our rights!" on me
>Just laughed in the her face and told her to fuck off with that media stunt
Guess I'll be sleeping on the couch tonight.
>>53134347
>>Gf is major macfag
You misspelled bf.
>>53134365
>Projecting this hard
:^)
>>53134347
>living with a macfag
>you end up sleeping on the couch and not her
Best slap some sense into that bitch you pussy ass cuck.
>>53118399
>McAfee
isnt McAfee owned by intel now?
>>53118399
You can only post snug anime grills when you have a point
In this post you have none
Does he receive compensation though?
>>53118399
You are proof that literal retards post on /g/
>>53134365
Whoops, looks like I did. Sorry about that.
Posted from my iPhone.
>>53118464
I once invented a drink called the mcafee
1 shot whisky
1 shot vodka
mix
fuck you thats why
>>53130748
>not knowing that chips can be decapped and have data read off them with an electron microscope
So? You get encrypted data and a hash for the key.... or do you honestly think the full password is stored in plain text on the chip? Well _maybe_ Apple is that dumb, but unlikely.
>>53119664
McAffee used to be decent anti-virus software. So did Norton actually.
>>53135284
When exactly?
I remember Norton already being a meme around 2000
>>53135436
Mid to late-90s was when both started going downhill. Norton went down faster, and harder. Basically neither really kept up with the rise of the WWW, and how that changed computing forever.
>>53117434
>The FBI wants to establish a court ruling that'll force all future hardware to give them backdoors.
>that'll force all future hardware to give them backdoors
>future
Um anon...
>>53117334
This man is certifiably insane, you idiots have no idea.
>>53119402
>they have to maintain that image lest the lose customers gained purely due to the privacy of the devices.
I don't think customers will give a shit if apple decrypts the info on a confirmed terrorist's phone.
>>53117334
Gonna be pretty funny when he fails
>>53117334
Irl Tony Stark?
>>53121929
Boy you stormfags are stupid
>>53122719
This.
Somehow make sense.
>>53135227
Well, if you believe the FBI, they'd use that hash to let them bruteforce the password.
But we don't ever trust the FBI on /tinhat/
>>53133095
>a long time ago
>2011
>>53133326
>not knowing firmware works on all hardware of the same line
>>>/b/
>>53135227
>they now have the hash for the password that they're trying to brute force
Yes, then they can brute force his password separate from the phone and not have to worry about the 10 try limit.
>>53133552
This tbqh
>>53122527
This
>Apple didn't want the negative publicity
It costs apple money to get it cracked anyway and big companies hate losing even tens of dollars
>>53124135
>cyberspace admin
>internet czar
>detractors
spooky
>>53121552
What are you fucking stupid
>>53136246
I met him at DefCon
he's pretty nice
>>53121552
Social engineering works whether or not the person is actually there if you utilize the correct methods
https://youtu.be/uJ7wyUkXPdE
>>53118942
Its flashdrive memeory you cant do that
