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>>52977145
>>52995778
>>52995793
maybe he's trying to meme with how it sounds similar to Vader?
I don't know dude
>>52995820
So uh
DT770 vs MSR7?
>>52995745
>Not quite. I said the Ety was peaky in its treble.
It's not the peaky treble that's the problem, even if the Ety had a perfectly flat frequency response, the peak SPL form that terrible phase response will rape your ears. Not that that kind of phase response is uncommon though, most over-ear dynamic driver headphones have a similar phase response. However it's not impossible to greatly improve upon it like the SE535 has or the JH audio freqphase.
>>52995820
Darth beyers are a mod someone sells.
They're DT770s with wood cups I think
>>52995868
msr7 is far better
770 is far bassier & cheaper (comfier too)
I suddenly have lots of money to waste. Are the Momentum 2.0 wireless headphones a good purchase as a good all-round pair?
>>52995953
What other closed headphones should I consider? 200-500$
Just picked up a used pair of he400 for $150.
Need an amp for it, any recommendations under $100?
>>52995778
Why is it so ugly.
>>52995958
The first momentums are shit and a meme
I've heard good things about the second though
>>52995985
k550/k553
OP picture
Oppo PM3 if you like neutrality
>>52995868
K553 pro tbqh
>>52995999
e07k
e10k which are overpriced right now due to low stock
udac 3 https://www.massdrop.com/buy/udac-3-amp-dac?utm_placement=21&referer=2YVXYC&mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium
maybe you can find a shiit magni 2 for around/under 100$
>>52995999
Don't you mean snap-fi mans? The bass really has slam and the mids are sweet as a kitten, i found the highs to be a bit too sibilant but had nice sparkle to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7hdB32_miw
I notice 2Chains didn't cry...
>>52996036
sennshill lol
>>52996032
Why buy fiio when you can get O2 which has lower noise?
>>52995999
those weigh over a pound, dude. 17.2oz
>>52996169
fuck off audiot technica shill.
>Takstar HI2050 broken (actually it's just a wire, I just don't have a soldering iron)
>Poor as all fuck
>Bro gifts me some new Sennheiser hd419
Man I don't even give a shit about the sound quality at this point.
>>52996201
im not a troll, these are known as some of the heaviest modern headphones. Extremely uncomfortable
>>52995778
Paid $6 for these. You should hear the sounds they make omg
>>52996249
>Be told I need an amp for He400i
>Buy amp with them
>Plug in amp
>Listen
>Plug in mobo without amp
>Listen
It's the fucking same
Why did I need an amp?
Don't even mention the DAC
>>52996141
because O2 is like 120$ last I checked
>>52995900
>the peak SPL
The instantaneous amplitude from the wave has no bearing on hearing damage.
What you look for in relation to hearing damage and loudness is the root mean square of the wave evaluated as dependent on the frequency of these components.
The ear breaks down sound into frequency bands in the cochlea; each region inside the cochlea has sensor hairs with high selectivity to frequency ranges to detect pressure. Changing phase has no bearing on the because the ear decomposes it into frequency spectrum for these hairs to detect amplitude in the select frequency range, and the instant amplitude in the time domain does not affect this.
FYI, here's more proper square wave for you of a flat response.
>>52996340
do ABX with splitter cable
>>52996429
Who what?
We will stand by his side
Magic wings we will ride
Like a mighty flame
Over forest and hills
Thunder strikes when he flies
There is lightning in his eyes
The enchanted dragon of wiiiiiiisdooom
>>52996434
A to B comparison or eXamination.
>>52996009
In what universe and target response are the PM3s neutral?
>>52996530
What does this mean
>>52996434
take the test or gtfo, scrub
http://www.amazon.com/Sescom-SES-IPOD-AB-Stereo-MP3-Player/dp/B005TE7GP4/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1450977674&sr=8-3&keywords=sescom&linkCode=sl1&tag=zeos-20&linkId=0a26ee6e68f3aa8ea2addd2dfb5456b1
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008BMLXAU/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1453255299&sr=1&keywords=SESCOM&linkCode=sl1&tag=zeos-20&linkId=03d4841ca94905b22099d1b681629708
>>52996249
What are those? Humlan? Plattan? I could measure them.
>>52996532
guess I mixed it up with something else, welp
>>52996340
good goy
>>52996544
What part do you not understand?
just replaced my X5 for a FiiO X7. Sounds pretty good.
>>52995999
Micca Origen
>>52996340
Amplifier recommendations here are solely based on sensitivity of the headphones vs average voltage output of computer electronics with quite a bit of headroom with the SPL to spare. Who said it's going to sound any different?
>>52996429
Anon has to level match them precisely for ABX and not know which one is being played. Better just get an ABX tester switch box and a measurement mic to get them match in amplitude.
>>52996671
You can always imagine a difference for sure.
>>52995778
>Budget
~$500
>Location
USA
>Source
Little Dot mk3 Tube Amp + Modi 2 from PC
>Preferred type of headphone
AMERICAN MADE
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Daily use
>Preferred music
Classic rock, jazz
>Past headphones
Grado RS1i
>>52996340
>Be told I need an amp for He400i
Who told you that? Needing amp and an external DAC isn't some mystical voodoo magic or incomprehensible science.
>Amplifier/DAC checklist:
-Is it too quiet?
-Is the output impedance too high (fixable by equalization)?
-Is there noise/EMI or hiss to it?
-Does it sound distorted as you start to crank up the volume?
If the answer is no, don't get one.
I guess it's too late for that. Time to cough up Schiit's restocking fee?
>>52996553
>>52996669
Wtf is it for?
>>52996032
thanks, much appreciated.
>>52996036
Yeah, the low end on these are fantastic, mids are nice and smooth, and the highs can be a little too much at times. Enjoying these a lot more than the X2s.
>>52996248
They're pretty damn heavy, I thought the X2's were a heavy set of headphones.
>>52996704
The point is I do not need amplification for these headphones
>>52996731
What headphones do actually require an amp? I thought he400i are more demanding
>>52996745
its for AB'ing hardware so you have more than just hot opinions
>>52996745
>It's the fucking same
Not the same anon suggesting ABX but it is doubtful that onboard audio sounds exactly the same with he400i.
I've been waiting to buy a pair of ATH-M50X but I say this on massdrop and the numbers look pretty good. Any experience with these? I can't find reviews on youtube.
>>52996789
durp, heres the link with the specs.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/emu-walnut-lightweight-headphones?utm_placement=7&referer=CSMZRY&mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Automated%20Daily%20Promotional%202016-02-15&utm_term=Daily%20Promotional
>>52996775
What?
>>52996784
I tried repeatedly, it's pretty much the same
Anyone got a waffle.fm invite to share?
>>52995999
I bet the seller was pleased to get rid of those.
>>52996760
Yeah they aren't that insensitive.
>>52996784
How is that in any way doubtful?
>>52996773
That always depends on what kind of gear do you have now to drive headphones as well as the headphones in question. To mention some which absolutely need amplification, Hifiman HE-6 and AKG K1000. Also every electrostatic headphone but you can't plug those into home electronics anyway.
>>52996704
>You can always imagine a difference for sure.
Sure, but I do hear things in music I did not notice before. Wether that's due to my mind, or due to the player doesn't matter to me. As long as it sounds good.
>>52996858
>>52996876
Do we have two guys making up shit to tag-team troll in /hpg/?
I guess these two guys have the same top shelf mainboard with onboard top shelf sound chip.
>>52996869
Shitty tracker senpai.
>>52996891
Unless one of them was broken, it's your mind.
>>52996896
Troll how? I'm not driving anything with on board but that's completely irrelevant.
>>52996932
>I'm not driving anything with on board but that's completely irrelevant.
I have been responding to the poster who posted >>52996340
He asserted:
>Plug in mobo without amp . . . It's the fucking same
Did you jump into the middle of a discussion without using the backlinks?
>>52996727
400i
>>52996932
>Unless one of them was broken, it's your mind.
I doubt your statement.
better audio equipment does for the ears what a looking glass does for the eye.
>>52996789
m50x a siht
Looking for a replacement for my PX-100-IIs.
Should I get another pair of them, or try out the Px-200-II?
>>52996959
>>52996932
>>52996896
I don't get what you're saying
I have an asus crosshair iv formula, it was a top end motherboard... 6 years ago
It powers the he400i just as fine as my schiit amp does, although the amp can reach higher volume that high of a volume isn't necessary (and I listen to music loud as it is)
>>52996987
>It powers the he400i just as fine as my schiit amp does, although the amp can reach higher volume
Perhaps you are new to amping if you believe the only benefit to higher output is volume. Just to use a quick review for your specific model:
>We could get a lot more volume out of the HE-400i when it was plugged into FiiO's X3 portable high-resolution music player ($240). Not only that, the HE-400i's sound quality significantly improved.
>sound quality significantly improved.
Thus why it is suggested to ABX.
>>52996731
>-Is the output impedance too high (fixable by equalization)?
How does one fix output impedance by EQ?
For example, the Sennheiser HD 5xx series has a 300 Ohm impedance spike around 100 Hz. If your source's output impedance is too high, they might not get enough power to control the bass response. How would EQ fix that?
>>52996727
>American made
why do you want shit anon
>>52996960
>american made
>hifiman
Can anyone explain to me what "driving" headphones mean in layman terms? Is it just providing the right amount of current to it? Can it actually impact sound quality in a significant way or is it just a question of how loud it will go?
>>52997004
Do they mean the placebo quality improved?
>>52997059
>Do they mean the placebo quality improved?
Good job. Don't actually address what was posted. Instead resort to an obvious and pathetic attempt to marginalize it.
>>52997004
What is ABX what does it do and how do I do it?
>>52996980
If you want a more neutral version of the same sound signature, I guess the PX 200 II could be worth checking out. (See graph.)
It depends on the price in your country, though. They're almost twice as expensive where I live.
Do they have to be on-ears? Because you might be able to get compact over-ears with better sound.
>>52997076
Use the backlinks. It was explained before and there was even an amazon link and image to provide and example of the hardware.
>>52997072
You didn't say much besides that an amp improves the sound quality of headphones
>>52997094
No, I did not. Perhaps you should re-read it or ask for an explanation?
>>52996727
K702 american made a shit
>>52997086
They're only $4 more where I live so I'm considering them pretty strongly.
And they most certainly don't have to be on-ears, especially if you can recommend comparably compact over-ears with better sound.
>>52997092
Nothing was explained there were links though that's right
>>52997086
>that recessed treble
sennheiser everyone
>>52997109
>Nothing was explained
I'm going to assume you did not bother. This indicates to me that you cannot bother to read what was written and thus it is not worth the bother for me to correct your error let alone write the same thing again.
>>52997109
>A to B comparison or eXamination.
To which I asked what does that mean, and this was said
>its for AB'ing hardware so you have more than just hot opinions
You don't owe me an explanation but this is fucking vague
>>52997150
>To which I asked what does that mean
Bullshit. The question was changed to:
>Wtf is it for?
Or to put it in simpler English: WHY do an ABX.
I need a new DAC, maybe even a new amp. Nuforce uDAC-3 is 68 USD on Massdrop, is it worth it?
>>52997194
I don't understand the basis of that term
>>52996959
I read every post in the discussion before quoting and replying to this >>52996784 by asking how is it doubtful that anon is not hearing a difference between on board and Schiit stack. I'm questioning that assertion and the question still stands.
>>52996987
That sounds everything is fine with your motherboard and it can easily drive the headphones for your use.
>>52997004
>sound quality significantly improved
Well ain't that nicely vague and convenient.
>>52997040
It's just referring to amplification which ideally is "wire gain" aka signal in and a higher amplitude, undistorted signal out. This effects the volume on the headphones and shouldn't do anything else. However some devices can act weird under load, have audible hiss or distortion so getting an amplifier that has a properly designed output for driving a load might in some cases fix whatever problems your current gear has. This is not really amplification anymore, just a device acting as kind of a buffer between headphones and the source device.
>>52997201
Also does the volume knob affect the RCA analog out or just the headphone output?
Do HD600 require an amp?
>>52997233
It seems you me that you understand the idea of what is being communicated. That you compare two similar but different audio chains (A: PC onboard directly to headphones versus B: PC to amp to headphones) but come up with trivial objections to it.
>how is it doubtful that anon is not hearing a difference between on board and Schiit stack.
Let me see if I understand your problem accurately. You are completely ignorant of the problem of underpowering headphones? That you can get "sufficient" volume from headphones that are not easily driven but still not getting everything the headphones can provide?
>>52997248
>That sounds everything is fine with your motherboard and it can easily drive the headphones for your use.
So I got that amp for nothing, now I feel like getting some headphones that actually need an amp. Do any closed headphones need one?
>>52997286
Depends on your source.
>>52997304
What's ABX then?
>>52997248
Whoops. Forgot the link. See second part of >>52997304
Gee.
>>52997318
My PC
>>52997201
yes
>>52997328
You even quoted it.
>A to B comparison or eXamination.
Did you look at the capital letters?
Are you legally blind?
>>52997121
Some people's hearing is more sensitive to treble.
Whenever I try a pair that doesn't have slightly rolled off treble, it physically hurts within 5 minutes, even at modest volume.
>>52997345
Probably. Most onboards don't have the power to push 250ohm headphones and HD600 are 300ohm IIRC.
>>52997354
Okay I get it now
What's the difference between those two amazon links?
>>52997500
>What's the difference between those two amazon links?
You are legally blind.
>>52997286
Yes, but nothing fancy. A E10K is sufficient
>>52997577
What headphones require something fancy?
>>52997602
Super high end headphones, like some electrostatic headphones.
are there any cheaper amps that are decent? e10k is kinda out of my budget atm
>>52997627
Check Fiio E11 or Fiio E6.
the t90 guy is still here and I wont leave.
does this piss you off
>>52995900
I've been experiencing this the entire time.
>set the volume of my etymotic where I can hear the mids
>gets treble raped
>set volume where treble is at a comfortable level
>highs is all I hear
After a while your hearing gets numb and you can turn the volume up to compensate, but I'm sure that's not healthy.
>>52997733
Wrong verb.
>>52996340
>listens to 128kbps source file through amp and dac
>listens to 128kbps source file through phone
>wtf, it's the same!!!!!!!!!
Someone give this faggot some flac
>>52997709
I'll have to try out some Beyer in the future
>>52997010
>How does one fix output impedance by EQ?
>For example, the Sennheiser HD 5xx series has a 300 Ohm impedance spike around 100 Hz. If your source's output impedance is too high, they might not get enough power to control the bass response. How would EQ fix that?
Don't think of it as control. Think instead of the voltage that actually gets to the headphone driver. With significant impedance before the driver (high series impedance), there is a significant loss of voltage presented to the driver. If the series impedance and headphone impedance curves are not matching, this shifts the response.
With a parametric EQ, you can adjust the voltage at the driver so the sound preserves the relative relation of frequencies to output, even if the system technically no longer has the same response to a flat input.
Explaining damping is a bit more work, but it still boils down to the voltage presented to the heasphone.
>>52997792
How can it be through the phone if I am using my amp and then my mobo you fucking retard
And no it was 320kbps
>>52997797
you either love beyer or you hate them.
the treble isnt for everyone.
>>52997792
The mastering/mixing quality is more important than the bitrate when it comes to listening to music. A cheesy 128 kbps mp3 from of Trans-Europe Express from the Kraftwerk will always sound better than a 1440 WAV of California Girls by Katy Perry.
>>52997536
Yeah, anyway I don't think I can use that daily with my stuff because the DAC is using a usb cable
I could get it just to test I guess
>>52997311
I really don't get why your objective should be to get headphones that are insensitive enough to warrant an amplifier. Get better headphones and keep the Schiit stack if you want to blow money. Stack is good, better than your on-board. Whether this difference is in any way audible is another question entirely.
>>52997378
>Most onboards don't have the power to push 250ohm headphones and HD600 are 300ohm IIRC.
Not how it works.
>>52997304
>You are completely ignorant of the problem of underpowering headphones?
Means that you are not supplying enough current to them. This would simply make them quiet. Under high power draw an amplifier could start to distort but this would also mean that the headphones are way too quiet in the first place and the distortion starts once you crank up the volume high enough and the amplifier clips.
Your time to answer why do you think it's doubtful that on board sounds the same than Schiit stack when anon easily gets the volume needed.
>>52997792
No shitposting allowed.
Please someone help me weed out the bullshit in this thread.
>>52997855
well, I guess that the same can be said for AKG as well as for many other hi-fi headphones.
>>52997895
>I can use that daily
Blind and retarded? No one suggested you use it daily.
>>52997899
>. Stack is good, better than your on-board. Whether this difference is in any way audible is another question entirely.
I want there to be a point for me to own it
I just got some Etymotic MK5s for use at the gym. Never had IEMs before. How deep am I supposed to push the triple flange tip in?
>>52997919
It's 30$, just to test is kind of much
>>52996340
>he listen all the idiotphiles on /g/
>>52997899
>Not how it works.
What do you mean?
>This would simply make them quiet.
That would be a yes.
Do you understand the difference between SPL and SQL? Do you know what hertz and decibels measure?
if you aint got a problem then bitch stop talkin cuz i'll slide up like an lg chocolate
>>52997955
Let me get this straight. You can afford to spend hundreds of dollars for headphones and amp but too tight to spend $30?
>>52998005
For something as minor as saving me the hassle of unplugging my headphones and plugging them to the computer in a matter of 2 seconds, yes.
>>52997851
>With a parametric EQ, you can adjust the voltage at the driver
How does that work?
Parametric EQ manipulates the digital signal before it's converted to analog. Voltage at the driver is determined by how much power the source hardware can put into it, not by the content of the signal.
>tfw my thinkpad drives my k702 just fine
>>52998081
:^)
>>52998081
>thinkpad
That's cheating. Most people don't have proper laptops.
>>52998039
It's kind of tricky to get the volume levels right if takes a couple seconds to switch. It is also easier to compare when the switch is immediate. But if you want to get cheap you can always just get a y-cable instead of a switch. That way it won't be an instant switch but it will be closer.
>>52998282
Thinkpads have terrible fucking audio outputs the fuck you on about?
Mine has a problem with distortion at low volumes (ikr wtf kek)
At volumes below 10 there is a crackling sound, it's very annoying.
macbooks have the best stock audio capabilities.
mdr7506, xpt100s or m40x?
mainly listening to edm
prefer closed as im usually using them outside and in the house
or are there any better alternatives for the price(100$+-)
>>52998054
Parametric EQ is just an adjustable resonator system, electrically or digitally.
The voltage difference at the driver presents itself in a fixed manner, say a +5dB boost at 100Hz with a Q of 2.
EQ can be used to reverse the effect.
>>52998352
>Thinkpads have terrible fucking audio outputs
So do most other laptops.
Most other laptops also have high output impedance on top of that, which is what determines how well they can drive your headphones.
>>52997933
I'll sell you my reason for owning O2+ODAC: It offers you a peace of mind knowing your headphones are driven by a high quality output with no audible noise or distortion present, has more than enough power to drive any headphones in production from in-ears to insensitive full sized models, you can use it without drivers or hassle with almost any device you have and you'll never have to think about that part of your audio chain ever again even if you upgrade every other piece of gear around it. Volume knob is nice.
>>52997953
>How deep am I supposed to push the triple flange tip in?
Until they seal and outside noise is truly blocked. They also have no bass if you don't get good enough seal so that's one indicator. They get in really deep. Moist and twist if needed, open your mouth wide open to ease it.
>>52997980
>What do you mean?
I mean that ohms are not a unit which dictates what a device can drive. It's only a unit of resistance and not a spec of the amplifier at all. Resistance on the load side is also useless on its own because sensitivity is still unknown. If your device "can drive up to 600 Ohms" it probably means that it can supply decent amount of voltage but you don't know that.
600 Ohm T1s are pretty much as easy to drive than a 120 Ohm K612 is. In fact K612 draws more power from the amplifier because of its lower impedance straining it more but the amount of voltage you need to get them equally loud is very similar. And at the same time HE-560 at 45 Ohms would fit in right there with those two in voltage sensitivity but draw even more power, again due to the low impedance making them a harder load for the amplifier.
>Do you understand...
Stop avoiding the question. Yes I know what SPL means and what Hertz and decibels measure. I also know what SQL is but nothing that relates to audio.
>>52998054
>Parametric EQ manipulates the digital signal before it's converted to analog
And this effectively alters the voltage at the output.
>>52998526
>has more than enough power to drive any headphones in production from in-ears to insensitive full sized models
Yeah so I want higher impedence headphoens now :-)
>>52998526
>I mean that ohms are not a unit which dictates what a device can drive.
"Dictate?" Where did I claim that it "dictates?" It certainly affects whether or not a device can sufficiently drive the headphones if the device does not provide enough power.
>Ohm is a specification of the amplifier
I don't know if you are getting confused while trying to track the various conversations you are participating in but no where was that claimed either.
>its own because sensitivity is still unknown
Yes, sensitivity also affects the need for an amp. High sensitivity requires less power just like low impedence requires less power (but has different effects).
>Stop avoiding the question.
What question? You claimed that power only affects volume as if drivers and tweets all have the same sensitivity and require only the same amount of power to produce the same amount of decibels or any decibels at all.
I am confused on how you can be completely ignorant of the difference between volume and sound quality.
ODAC....$150 placebo?
>>52998437
I don't get what you're trying to say.
I'm basing my point about output impedance on this page:
>http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/02/headphone-amp-impedance.html
>"electrical damping is only effective when the output impedance of the amplifier is much lower than the impedance of the headphones"
Consider the graph of the HD 590. How would you set up a parametric EQ so that it compensates the lack of damping with a high output impedance source? I don't mean just compensate for low bass quantity, but the low bass quality that results from the poor damping.
What DAP is recommended under $400?
>>52998853
Son...
>>52998853
Surprised you don't have a Fiio player in that group.
>>52998654
You wan't lower sensitivity headphones, not necessarily higher impedance.
>>52998660
>Where did I claim that it "dictates?
Nowhere and I didn't say you did. I explained why this >>52997378 doesn't make sense.
>It certainly affects
On it's own it's useless. Sensitivity is what matters. Impedance is useful in some cases if you know the impedance plot of the headphones as well as the output impedance of your amplifier as this relation can effect the frequency response directly.
>High sensitivity requires less power
Generally yes.
>just like low impedence requires less power
The opposite.
>What question?
For the third time, your reasoning behind this statement >>52996784
>as if drivers and tweets all have the same sensitivity and require only the same amount of power to produce the same amount of decibels or any decibels at all.
I claimed no such thing.
>I am confused on how you can be completely ignorant of the difference between volume and sound quality.
I'm not and I don't want to hear this from you. You have so far explained nothing and only started asking me questions back while conveniently avoiding what was originally asked from you.
>>52998760
It performs as advertised. Do you really need it? Don't plug headphones into it.
>>52998990
>It performs as advertised. Do you really need it? Don't plug headphones into it.
you sound liek a shill. Is it placebo or isnt it?
I know this is the headphone general, but do you fags know what are some good PC speakers for under $100?
>>52998990
>Nowhere and I didn't say you did
Thank you for admitting the part of your previous post about "dictating" was a straw man argument.
>I explained why this >>52997378 (You) doesn't make sense.
How does it not make sense? You seem to understand that full sized cans (though dynamic drivers and planars are different) generally do not have high sensitivity but completely blank that when the post is in regards to HD600?
Are you arguing purely for argument's sake?
>>52998990
>Low impedence headphones require less power
[citation needed]
Last I checked it takes less power to drive DT880 250 ohm than DT880 600ohm.
>I claimed no such thing.
Oh. So now power affects MORE than merely volume, or as you put it previously "it won't simply be quieter?"
>For the third time, your reasoning behind this statement
Thank you for admitting that you are asking a redundant question as I am already going through the process of addresing your ignorance.
It seems you recognize that different materials in the same kind of driver do not have the same sensitivity and thus will not produce the same volume or sound quality.
So it shouldn't require much more explanation to point out how headphones can produce volume at the same level but not sound quality at the same level with different voltage. Low sensitivity headphones may produce sufficient volume but the tweeter and cone may not attain full extension, and thus full sound quality, while pushing the same pressure level or volume of air.
>>52998990
>You wan't lower sensitivity headphones, not necessarily higher impedance.
So like what?
I thought high impedence means better amp needed, what is impedence even then?
are the m40x worth it? gonna use it on my phone to listen mainly to music and youtube
i heared that they are not comfy when wearing for a long time. is this a bigger problem?
>>52998948
>>52998853
Its a random stock google image not my collection.
>>52999309
>m40x
but why? Get 7506 or X2
>>52999389
are the 7506 good for music though? i was told the neutral sound is not for everyone
>>52999117
>Low impedence headphones require *more power
Fixed!
Wow. Talk about a bad typo.
>>52999063
It's a high quality stereo DAC. If this is what you need, get it, but do you really?
>>52999117
Getting real tired of this.
>a straw man argument
Look up the definition of straw man.
>How does it not make sense?
Because impedance is not a unit of sensitivity which is what you need to know whether your headphones can be driven loudly enough with whatever device.
>Are you arguing purely for argument's sake?
No, I want to hear your reasoning behind >>52996784 and you are dodging it while trying to question my understanding and at the same time being hilariously wrong on multiple things.
>[citation needed]
Ohms law would be a good start for you. Since I'm nice read this and memorize it:
http://www.prestonelectronics.com/audio/Impedance.htm
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT880600ohm.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT88032ohm.pdf
Wew the 32 Ohm DT880 is actually drawing more power than 600 Ohm version.
>Oh. So now power affects MORE than merely volume
Talk about straw manning...
>as I am already going through the process of addresing your ignorance.
Why are you? Or rather, why are you trying? You could have just answered and that'd been it assuming you could have provided proper answer. What if I was actually completely ignorant but willing to know and thus asking the question. Would you have been circling around the question trying to find a fault in my knowledge there too instead of providing an answer.
>>52999195
>what is impedence even then?
Resistance to current. Problem is it tells you nothing about how much current is needed for headphones to get loud enough, sensitivity.
Can someone recommend me a pair similar to Sennheiser HD280 pros but with a better sound stage? the right speaker has died after about 4 years, I'm PC gaming a lot more now.
Budget is up to $150, I'm in the US.
Tonal preferences are bassy or V shaped
>>52999655
>Resistance to current. Problem is it tells you nothing about how much current is needed for headphones to get loud enough, sensitivity.
So what does it actually tell? What does knowing resistence to current help?
>Budget
Around $100AUD
>Location
Brisbane, Australia
>Source
Galaxy S4/Whatever phone I buy next
>Preferred type of headphone
In-ear for work, already have a great pair of over-ears.
>Preferred tonal balance
I like rich mids with a little bass
>Preferred music
Instrumental Hip Hop
>Past headphones
Nothing good.
I'm thinking of the SoundMagic e10s, I love my over ear soundmagics.
Good idea?
>>52998822
>"electrical damping is only effective when the output impedance of the amplifier is much lower than the impedance of the headphones"
>Consider the graph of the HD 590. How would you set up a parametric EQ so that it compensates the lack of damping with a high output impedance source? I don't mean just compensate for low bass quantity, but the low bass quality that results from the poor damping.
I said before that damping was a fairly lengthy subject to go on about. Wikipedia has a nice article on damping, although it doesn't elaborate too much on speaker/headphones in particular.
I won't say too much right this second, but Q factor in EQ implies inverse damping, and longer energy storage.
>>52999655
>http://www.prestonelectronics.com/audio/Impedance.htm
Let's look at your citation.
>Ohm's Law states: In an electrical circuit, current flow is directly proportional to voltage and inversely proportional to impedance. Mathematically, this becomes: Current (in amperes) equals voltage (in volts) divided by impedance (in ohms).
So divided by a higher number, ie. MORE IMPEDENCE requires MORE VOLTS to attain the same current. This seems to prove you wrong that it does not take more power to drive lower impedence headphones.
>http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT880600ohm.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT88032ohm.pdf
Let's get your idiocy straight. The only graphs involved here are square wave graphs and they both peak at roughly the same voltage in both the 300 hz and 30 hz. Where do you find anything that rationally leads to a conclusion of one "drawing more power" than the other?
>>52999655
>http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT880600ohm.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT88032ohm.pdf
I said "graphs" which might be confused as not including the specific listed volts RMS to reach 90db.
>>52999819
>Q factor in EQ implies inverse damping, and longer energy storage
Before this post, I wasn't sure whether you were trolling, or just expressing yourself poorly.
Now, I'm completely convinced you're trolling.
>>52999772
Nothing useful on its own. The relation of your amplifier's output impedance and the impedance to frequency plot of the load(headphones) can be useful, however. It affects voltage division and can alter frequency response directly, sometimes by considerable margin. A practical example here:
http://personalaudio.ru/raa/otchety/naushniki/shure-se-535/
Measurements of low impedance in-ears with a varying impedance curve(third graph) driven from different output impedance sources(fifth and sixth graph). Notice how the frequency response is altered and the change follows the shape of the impedance curve as well as how the points of highest impedance are loudest once the amplifier's output impedance goes up.
>>52999821
Volts are not a unit of power.
>Where do you find anything that rationally leads to a conclusion of one "drawing more power" than the other?
Maybe the specs in bottom right.
>>53000013
>Volts are not a unit of power.
Neither is amps the only other part of ohm's law you referred to. I guess your argument based upon Ohm's law was specious.
>Maybe the specs in bottom right.
You mean the part that says it takes three times more volts to and nearly the same amount of watts (a miniscule difference of 0.04mW)?
>>53000092
Can you guys take this somewhere else please? You clearly aren't going to agree, and you're flooding the thread.
>>52999954
If you can't read on what Q factor and damping are, that is your problem.
I'm trying to buy MrSpeakers Alpha Dogs
Where do fuck do I pick the color? Red is ugly and the black ones are nice
>>52996773
Sensitive IEMs with BA drivers.
>>53000254
>innerfidelity.com
For you I guess I'll just wrap it up quickly.
>>53000013
Since it seems you trust Tyll's website as reliable I'll just post part of his comparison of the 80, 250, and 600 ohm in regards to ease of driving.
80:
>While I found this headphone to be driven to satisfactory levels from portable devices, I felt the sound quality was degraded (likely by the poor damping factor) to the point that the price/performance ratio was poor.
250
>It’s lower impedance and decent efficiency makes them able to be used with a portable device satisfactorily as long as you are not looking for high-volume levels.
600
>If you are only going to be using these headphones with home or desktop gear, the DT 880 600 ohm is a good choice.
Read more at http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/comparison-beyerdynamic-dt-880-32-ohm-dt-880-250-ohm-and-dt-880-600-ohm-headphones-page-2#uuD2SpCMpuXa2Qx3.99
Clearly, the higher the impedance the more power demand.
You sir, are clearly arguing past your knowledge.
>>53000092
Try to understand the stuff provided in the article I linked.
And yes that part, it's just an isolated example in practice and not really useful for understanding why that happens but goes directly against what you said about the DT880 earlier.
>>53000254
I'm done. Gotta sleep and this isn't going anywhere. There's nothing to agree here either, just lack of knowledge. Shit advice being given due to it is the reason I bothered in the first place.
>>52998526
>I'll sell you my reason for owning O2+ODAC: It offers you a peace of mind knowing your headphones are driven by a high quality output with no audible noise or distortion present, has more than enough power to drive any headphones in production from in-ears to insensitive full sized models, you can use it without drivers or hassle with almost any device you have and you'll never have to think about that part of your audio chain ever again even if you upgrade every other piece of gear around it. Volume knob is nice.
Would something like this or the Schiit stack really take it all the way to end game, to say like the HD800s and others in its tier? Because looking at Schiit's website there are a lot more expensive DACs and amps, and I have no idea if they drive headphones better or are just diminishing returns
>murica resells e10k for over $100
>chinese sites sell them for ~$75
fakes dont' exist do they
>>53000308
>>53000308
omg kill me they're out of black ones
>>53000396
Yes and I'm actually using HD 800 with O2 myself. There's nothing in "end game" headphones like HD 800 which would change the requirements for amplification. You might want to make sure your devices are not limiting or altering anything but that's really easy to do and definitely won't cost you an arm and leg. HD 800 is pretty easy to power anyway. I'm using 1x gain on O2 with the 2Vrms output from ODAC and I have plenty enough volume.
>people keep saying the He400i is better than it's competitor, X2.
>in yurop the He are almost 3 times the price of the fedorio.
>>52999792
Xiaomi Piston 3. :^)
>>53000422
>china
come on nigga
>>53000563
Might as well go endgame at that point
My X2s so far are still king at $200
>>53000627
>fiio is a chinese based company
>resellers buy them in bulk from china and mark up the price domestically
>not just buying straight from china
should i do it
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FiiO-E10K-All-New-Improved-Performance-USB-DAC-Headphone-Amplifier-AMPs-E10-Upgrade-Version/32583293657.html
>>53000653
>King
>open
choose 1
what does /g/ think of the Audio- Technica ATH-M50x? I can get them with the amp for $169 usd
>>53000883
some people say they're shit, some people like them. You wont know until you try. That being said you'll need to get new pads
>>52996697
what music player is that and bump for Ghost
>>53000299
Q factor is a software thing. Damping is a hardware thing.
If you can't explain how one affects the other, you're clearly full or shit.
>>52995778
>buy a pair of nice headphones
>suddenly hear all the failures of a 192kb/s mp3
>45% of music library ruined
Did I just fuck myself?
>>53000907
why's that? are the default ones shite?
>>53000918
you fucked yourself by downloading anything below 320kbps
>>53000927
they're too shallow so your ears touch the driver. You want ones with memory foam from brainwavz
>>53000913
>In physics and engineering the quality factor or Q factor is a dimensionless parameter that describes how under-damped an oscillator or resonator is, and characterizes a resonator's bandwidth relative to its center frequency.
>>53000581
>rich mids
Come on, man. The Piston 3 are great, but they do have recessed mids.
>>53000908
Are you asking about Foobar2k?
>>53000948
I was young and foolish. Since 2008 or so I didn't download anything below 320, Flac if possible. I have to replace all my old stuff though.
>>53000918
Download them again. Look for Japanese album rips.
>>53001006
I enjoyed doing the same thing quite honestly. Hearing the music I love in higher quality was an amazing feeling. Like a revelation
>>53000955
just the large sized ones or anything specific?
>>53000918
Downloading is free. Enhanced music experience is forever.
Just re-download one or two albums a day in 320 kbps. It's not that much work, especially with what.cd.
>>53000918
>Listen to black metal
>Shit quality makes it sound better
>Listening on an old casette player makes it sound better
>>53000992
>he literally just googled it
>still can't prove he knows what he's talking about
>>53001058
>>53001013
>>53001091
Alright, thanks for the motivation, I will go at it with a positive attitude.
2000 Mbit/s Internet though, so this might take some time.
>>53001124
Funny you say that, I'm currently spinning MGLA and it sounds really great on my snapheisers.
>>53001058
avoid the full velour HM5 pads. you'd want the leather HM5 pads.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OLKV5LI?psc=1
>>53001185
Try listening to transilvanian hunger in 128kbps on a pair of 10$ headphones
>>53001210
Transilvanian hunger is the greatest meme album ever. A Blaze In The Northern Sky all the way.
UGH UGH UGH
>>53001200
How are these? I want it to match the black design.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MFDT894/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=YL7VW4KD85RP&coliid=I1V22DCIT1GNP
>>53001136
Not him but why are you even trying when you are wrong on every post and don't understand a damn thing? Why do you post as if you think you know and can't even admit it when proven wrong? Been like this for days.
Is interference a concern with optical cables? Like should I try to avoid them crossing/intersecting other cables I have?
>>53001200
Why would you choose pleather over velour?
>>53001245
>Is interference a concern with optical cables?
No.
>>53001260
not him but velour attracts dust like crazy
>>53001260
velour is for open headphones like hd6
>>53001245
Really, anon? No.
>>53001235
>>53001210
Pretty funny people who talk about headphones and give suggestions etc are all basing it on their shitty tastes. Like it matters what some guy listening to the beatles and daft punk thinks are good headphones.
Is buying refurbished headphones a bad idea?
Was checking out the prices of a recomendation and there's a refurbished model for 100 dollars less. Should I just buy them new?
Also, how effective is a stereo receiver at powering high impedance headphones?
Sorry to repost, but nobody answered in the last thread:
Question for those who have ordered Beyerdynamic replacement pads. Do they expand after you take them out of the packaging? Because I ordered some from amazon, and in the packaging, they were flatter than my current ones, which are two years old. Sent them back, got another, still super flat.
>>53001302
I did not recommend headphones at all, nor did the other guy.
Select all images with a STORE FRONT, please.
>>53001324
>Is buying refurbished headphones a bad idea?
FACTORY refurbished are fine. Some Chinese refurbished? No. Just no.
>>53001333
I wasn't referring to either of you, just thought of how irrelevant some peoples suggestions are to me considering their taste
>>53001260
I have velour Hm5 pads on my m50 to replace the stock pads. the velour pads place too much space between the ear and drivers. Sound also starts leaking from the pads, and you lose the aggressive sounds on the M50s.
>>53001275
>>53001300
Huh ok, I thought I heard interference when I had the optical cable crossing over my DAC's USB cable, but maybe it was just the cheap USB they provided with the unit, I replaced it with a better (and longer) one and moved the unit and the sound went away so I dunno.
Also is this the proper setting to pass SPDIF input through to my USB DAC? It does work, but don't know if it is the "best" way to accomplish what I want.
>>53001239
Technically these would work, but they are a little thick. It's going to put a lot of space between your ears and the drivers, music might sound very thinny.
>>53001398
What pads fit the fidelio x2?
>>53001390
>Everybody likes different music with different demands to headphones
Wow, what a revelation!
>>53001243
I don't pretend to know anything about the physics behind headphones. I'm just going by what I've read from reputable sources so far.
I engaged with him seriously in the first few posts, hoping to get an insightful reply, but he just responded with endless variations of "educate yourself, lol".
Typical /g/, I guess. This is why we can't have nice things.
>>53001448
No one ever mentions that here
>>53001409
I prefer optical as well but digital transport is pretty much immaterial for headphones.
>>53001442
These are the HM5 angled pads. with a little bit of stretching, the pads will wrap around the frame.
http://i.imgur.com/xnjRjua.png
HM5 pads seems like they fit on everything
>>53001459
and here you have your reason
>>53001351
How would I know the difference?
Its on amazon that I see it.
>>52995778
how do i prevent myself from seppuku until i get these
>>53001487
I got these, should they fit?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MFDX4YO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00
>>53001561
>How would I know the difference?
If it's factory reburished it will be sold by the manufacturer.
>>53001583
It'll probably be a very tight fit. Going to have to stretch the pads to the point where it'll almost rip to get it on the X2's.
Honestly, the X2 pads are fantastic, the HM5 pads are a downgrade.
>>53001436
any recommendations that are black?
>>53001643
Why did you do it then?
I got mine for the M50 but I think you're right that valor doesn't fit em
Also I just tried it and I don't wanna tear it trying to fit it, it's really not the right fit.
Also the x2 seems to have 4 sticks that fit inside its own pads. Do they sell other kinds or something?
>>53001459
would you listen to my recommendation if I told you that my favorite piece of music is Max Reger's Dies Irae?
>>53001718
I went with the leather angled pads rather than the HM5 velour pads.
The valor pads should fit the M50s, you're just going to have to stretch the shit out of the pads. Carefully at least.
As far as I know, the X2's don't have other types of paddings. the prongs dont seem to interfere with the angled pads.
>Budget
~£55 ($80). Poorfag in these parts but yeah.
>Location
UK/Europe
>Source
Laptop onboard/Phone
>Preferred type of headphone
Overear. I wear glasses so on-ear get really uncomfortable very quickly.
>Preferred tonal balance
Honestly not sure. Not a massive audiophile, fairly neutral I guess? I don't want any of the instruments washing out other instruments as much as possible.
>Preferred music
Metal/heavy rock.
>Past headphones
Nothing amazing as you could guess from price range. Last pair before this were Philips SHO9560/10.
>>53001835
I mean the fact it's valor doesn't fit them, it changes their sound too much and makes them pointless
>>53001860
Oh and as for what I'm already considering, I've been looking at Sennheiser 419/461G.
>>53001398
Nigga that's damn similar to what I got
>He400i
>Fidelio x2
>ATH m50
Is what I got
>>53001870
oh yeah, the velour definitely makes the M50 pointless. the original pads on the M50s were cracked and scratching the back of my ears, so I figured I'd try something new. waste of $20.
>>53001897
you know what's up senpai.
>>53001986
Do they fit on any other headphones you got?
>>53002014
HM5 pads do fit on the AD700x/AD900x with some persuasion. Haven't tried putting them on the he400, but I'm probably going to pick up focuspads for the he400's.
you could play a little game and google "headphone" HM5 pads and see what sort of results pop up.
>>53001607
Ah, thanks anon.
>>52995958
I have momentum 2.0's and I love em (albeit mine are wired)
>>52996009
STAY AWAY FROM 1.0's, THEY ONLY FUCKING WORK WITH A CORD
e11k vs e10k
Fiio e10k help my set up at all or just a waste of money with these headphones?
>>52996249
Nice, theyre almost worst $6.
What headphones are the best if all I care about are the double bass drums on metal albums?
>>53001897
That's almost me.
>Wanna buy some 770s
>Friend convinces me to get them through Amazon instead of ebay for the warranty
>Good call because they break after a few months
>Try to contact the seller like the warranty info suggests
>Didn't even realize it was a third party seller when I bought it
>They don't reply
>Contact the manufacturer
>Finally find out that my warranty isn't valid for shit
>Decide to contact Amazon since they supposedly have great customer service and might do something
>They tell me I'll get a refund
>Just gotta file a claim with their chat rep and wait for an email
>Email never comes
>This goes on for well over a month and nearly a dozen times I contact Amazon
>Finally one of them forwards something to an investigation team who tells me that I just need to verify my credit card info for a refund
>Do it and unsurprisingly I never get a fucking email back
>Call them
>Phone rep says that every other rep had no idea what they were talking about and they won't give me a refund
>tfw you're stuck with this shitty headset that chafes your ears
>>53002880
Lesson: pay attention when buying from Amazon.
>>53002722
E11k is an amp and e10k is a dac/amp.
Is this the best bass headphone?
>>53003051
>Sony
>is this the best ...
No.
>>53003051
When it comes to bass-head headphones the XB series are very praised.
