http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/18/10787050/donald-trump-apple-fantasy
>Speaking at Liberty University today, Trump escalated his rhetoric on Apple's overseas manufacturing, and claimed somehow the US would reclaim those jobs in the future. "We have such amazing people in this country: smart, sharp, energetic, they're amazing," Trump said. "I was saying make America great again, and I actually think we can say now, and I really believe this, we're gonna get things coming... we're gonna get Apple to start building their damn computers and things in this country, instead of in other countries."
It would definitely help justify the price.
And the mexicans will pay for it.
But how will they make 70% profit off every iShit? What would the shareholders say?
Based trump
I thought Trump was supposed to like capitalism.
>>52498782
He wants to reduce the minimum wage so the US can compete with China, Taiwan, and Bangladesh.
>>52498720
we just need to invest in automation.
China already has low wage workers and infrastructure so businesses default to them.
once we overcome the initial investment prices will be even lower to fabricate and assemble domestically.
>>52498782
capitalism doesn't work when some businesses enjoy state-sponsorship
>>52498857
Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of bringing jobs back here? Unless you're ok with just a handful of service engineers and technicians having jobs.
>>52498654
Honestly, it's really easy to force them to do so.
Increase the taxation on products imported from China, which he plans on doing already, apparently. Bam, Apple's profit goes down the drain on taxes alone. No reason to keep producing in China, where quality is most likely always worse than if it was produced in the US.
Apple is all about the maximum profit anyway. They never cared for anyone. Not for their customers, not for their country, not for their workers. It's all about how much digits you can put after the $ symbol. How anyone can like them and defend them to death, is beyond me. It's even stupider when it's hardcore leftists, since they all seem to love Apple. Weird.
>>52498882
Automation doesn't necessarily kill more jobs than it creates. The jobs will still be there, they'll just have other names and require different training. A lot of jobs of today didn't exist 100 years ago, and many more disappeared in the meanwhile, it's not like we went extinct because of that.
>>52498889
>it's really easy to force them to do so.
>>52498934
Did you read the rest of the post?
I mean, I guess Apple could just say fuck it and keep producing in China at lower profits than producing in the US, but that wouldn't make sense at all. It's bad PR for them, and bad for the profits.
>wants to deport all the cheap labor
>wants """"intelligent, hard working Americans"""" to do what chinks do for cents per hour
>>52499004
You post on /sci/ too.
>>52499028
No? Got fed up of all the homework threads about a year ago.
>>52498889
Usually when sanctions like that are imposed on companies they move their headquarters out of the country and all the execs go with it and they just keep the money off shores. Just look at the Burger king/Tim Thorntons acquisition instead of paying 40% tax they just set up the headquarters in Canada and left the money there
>>52498917
You do realize that doing more with fewer workers and less money is kind of the point of automation? Automation has killed a LOT of jobs in the past, specially in the car industry, and it will continue to do so in the future. The main positive thing I can think of here is that in the near future most of the jobs automation will kill will be in countries like China.
>>52498889
Nigga like half of their business is based in China, there's plenty of reasons to produce there
>>52498654
>"We have such amazing people in this country: smart, sharp, energetic, they're amazing,"
no we don't, and no they aren't.
americans are mostly fat, lazy, easily distracted, have an undue sense of entitlement, and are easily cuckholded.
you make me ashamed to be an american
>>52498889
I've become increasingly apolitical as I've gotten older, but I still lean farther left than most Americans. When I actually bother to care anyway--for the most part I don't because politics are a complete waste of time for the bottom 90%.. I've always hated Apple. Almost as much as I hate being lumped into the same category as liberals. Liberalism is, and always has been right of center.
>>52498889
US company ain't gotta stay in the US
you want to force them out of the country?
>>52498857
china has something the US will never have: 66% more population. that means everything can be 333% cheaper by default
>>52499084
>cuckholded.
12 year old detected.
>>52498889
Foxconn makes all the hardware in taiwan, not sure how that would fit into the china tax plan.
>FREE TAIWAN
>>52499092
>hating a company
b8
>>52499100
double trouble dubs
>>52499074
You're absolutely right in a couple decades having something that's handmade will be a thing that you pay extra for because it's trendy or some shit
donald trump buys all of the materials for his casinos overseas, but he won't try to "play that up", will he
>>52499060
>>52499094
I don't mean tax them directly, you idiots.
You can tax product imports from out of country. The US is largely the biggest Apple consumer in the world. If products imported from China paid, say, 50% of their value in import tax, their profits would be slashed hugely.
Of course, that's a ridiculous tax, and I doubt it would be something that high. You don't need to target a specific corporation to make them move. Just tax whatever shithole they manufacture in.
The US lose billions every year from US companies producing in China and importing to the US, with little to no taxes applied to them. This has been one of Trump's flagship during his campaign. He keeps saying that China doesn't play fair, which we all have known for decades now, but no one seems to care. He's also the only one saying it.
I have nothing against companies producing elsewhere when the country they're in doesn't have the means to do so. But the US clearly has the means and the workforce for it. The only reason it's not done, is to increase profit margins for the company. No other reason at all. Destroy that extra profit margin, and you'll have the companies back in no time, even if it's just for the nice PR.
>>52499060
That doesn't really matter. As long as you want to sell your products in the US, they will have to be imported there and you'll have to pay more taxes. Your HQ could be "based" anywhere and you'd still have to pay more.
>>52498654
>being cucked by a fat, impotent billionaire
i thought you were stronger than this, america
>>52498889
This, increase taxation, lower minimum wage and >>52498857
The US could destroy China
>>52499153
>But the US clearly has the means and the workforce for it.
no they don't. most people in the us are too stupid and too lazy with their "Medicul cundishuns" to work the hours asked of them
>>52499153
Your understanding of basic economics is laughable
>>52499149
this. watch the news
>>52499116
Their products are shit, and so are their business practices. Now go sip you latte faggot.
>>52499202
their products are awesome, not that you would ever know, you've been swimming in the propaganda fishbowl your whole life and the thought of touching a mac makes you reee like some autistic liability
Someone say cuck?
>>52499241
Don't tell me you're actually against Sanders.
donald trump just tells whatever lie is the most beneficial to him at the moment
>i'm a chishtun
>i hate mexican
>i love mexican
>ban muslims
>i never said i wanted to ban muslims
>>52498857
I like your approach, with all of the factory workers being mechanical, electrical or computer technicians, administrative, and shipping personel, paid according to their skill. While we are gravitating away from being an industrial society, we should still have a manufacturing base.
>>52499160
> Being cucked by open borders and ISIS militants
>>52498845
Thats fine if the value of the $ goes up, and look at wallmart, thats what happens when you raise min. Wage
>>52499284
literally hasn't happened since 9/11 tho
>>52499295
I'm calling out that possible Eurofag for ridiculing us when Germany gets mass rape attacks and France has hundreds dead last year from terrorist attacks from "refugees"
Meanwhile we've got a guy who's up for building walls and deporting millions of illegal alien cockroaches en masse.
>>52499153
This guy gets it.
>>52499259
I get that some people might dislike him but you're blatantly lying.
>>52499259
Well obviously, he's a salesman.
He was literally born for this since murrikan presidential campaigns are plain blatant marketing for ameridumbs and pseudo intellectuals.
>>52499319
there are more standard murders than there are terrorist attacks. how about doing something about the thing that kills more people first?
>>52499255
>He supports sanders
Go back to reddit.
>>52499328
There's no talking to people like you, you are lost causes
>>52499350
No.
>>52499328
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/20/donald-trumps-many-campaign-180s-in-his-own-words/
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-vs.-trump--a-look-at-donald-trumps-evolving-positions-over-the-years-482986563581
The GOP presidential front-runner has a history of changing his stances, as NBC's Chuck Todd so pointedly noted back in July. (The Fix has also documented this.)
But while many of those flips happened as Trump, over the years, transitioned from a Democrat to a Republican, they're also happening in the midst of his 2016 presidential campaign. In fact, he's made several total reversals within weeks or even days of initially staking out a position. And often his new position better aligns him with the conservative Republican base he's courting than his previous one.
Here are six of Donald Trump's biggest 180s so far, as explained by The Donald himself.
>>52499336
That makes too much sense, I was told to be afraid of Muslims
>>52499319
> Casually talking about what would be the greatest era of human suffering in the 21st century
Millions of those undocumented immigrants, let me correct you there, have lives and roots in the United States. Not all of them will be willingly dragged from their homes, so there'll probably be so many injuries and death.
Thats something straight out of an Orwell novel. It's an unimaginable level of inhumanity
And? Appledrones will always buy their iShit.
>>52498882
yeah becauase "just a handful" will be enough to mantain the robotic infrastructure that's supposedly going to replace tens of thousands of chinese workers.
>>52499365
>hurr i cant prove shit, im gonna ad hominem the shit out of you durr
>>52499379
Does he flips? yes, but that's is not the point, we are talking about the flips this anon points >>52499259
Your links while it does shows up what he does flips (which again, is not the point) they don't prove what the other anon said.
>>52499445
i've been to china, to several major cities, some you've heard of, others where i was the first american person they ever saw and talked to.
everything is under construction there. i've never seen anything like it. skyscrapers, roads, dams, bridges. i rode a train from chengdu to an outlying city, it took one hour on the train leaving the city before i stopped being surrounded by skyscrapers.
if manufacturing gets phased out (lmao) they will have plenty of jobs in construction, and infrastructure management
>>52499471
>current year
>being swindled by a smooth talker
>>52499393
>dragged from their homes
This is what liberals want, to see mexicans violently forced from their homes and dragged to the border.
>>52499165
>The US could destroy China
And have 90% of US workers (including you) working as slaves?
Mexico is cheaper after you factor in transportation costs. The reason people don't go to Mexico is because the two faced managers with their smug liberal ethics don't feel as good when they talk about "muh developing nations." For them, Mexicans are those different speaking brown people with chubby wives.
Yes, there is a left leaning form of racism around the why of outsourcing.
>>52499393
They'll probably deport a few and inflate the numbers for the media, many businesses close to the border and in the south depend on cheap illegal labor like farming and Trump won't fuck with them.
Afterwards they'll go to war cause the military industry needs another one desperately and murrikans will forget all about it.
>>52499550
actually china is cheapre after you factor in production costs.
that's why all businesses manufacture their shit in china, and ship it over on super carriers. because it's C H E A P E R. if mexico were cheaper, they would be manufacturing there
>>52499516
He's not even a Mr. Smoothtalker. He's a blatant fool that runs on pathos. He has the same general appeal as Bernie Sanders, ironically. He's a candidate who's blunt and breaking the maddening traditional political tropes and "standards", people confuse this along with his tendency to frame shit ideas as "the easy answer the morons leading us are unwilling to take!" for intelligence and insight. He likely has neither, nor their best interest in mind. He also rarely says much of anything detailed or substantial.
Most of his plans wouldn't pan out. There is validity in some of his arguments and criticism, but right now he's just an actor He's playing, and I've yet to truly figure where the real him begins and the acting ends. I don't actually think he's very clever though, ultimately.
Watching his rallies is like watching a cult meeting. Burlington is by the waterfront, gets pretty cold. His claims of security and law so tough no one makes a move is genuinely disturbing, and if someone tried to take my coat and throw me out in the cold, a lot of people might get hurt. Then again, I wouldn't be a moron sitting around with a Bernie sign at a Trump cult meeting.
>>52499094
It's not complicated. Make it so they can't sell their products in the US if they don't comply. You think they're just gonna say fuck this, if I can only have 30% profit instead of 80% I won't bother selling my product at all?
>>52499614
There are some downsides. Firstly, any equipment or whatnot you move onto the chinese property of your own, is immediately owned by the Chinese. This is why it's an investment you're not apt to pull out of unless you've strictly contracted with another company.
Secondly, the tariffs are pitiful. You can easily net a massive profit.
of course we have great smart people here, who the fuck do you think is engineering this stuff?
the people who build these things are anything but smart and great, they are low level drones.
maybe he should start by ensuring all of his dumb merchandise is made in the USA first before he criticizes others
>>52499634
> comply
lol, spoken like a true authority figure
if you don't comply you're fired. but donny, you can't fire everybody. you can't fire the ayatollah of iran if he doesn't want to bend over backwards and suck your cock for you.
you can fire putin just because he doesn't want to let you fuck russia in the ass. you cant fire australia just because they don't see value in sending more troops to the middle east.
that's not how the world works. but that's the only idea he has for getting anything done
>>52499615
He's better than Hillary or Bernie, to be frank, clan.
Anyway here's someone somewhat mainstream taking Apple down a rung:
https://youtu.be/E3s-qZsjK8I
Yeah, good fucking luck, aren't they about to sign a pacific trade agreement? That would make it illegal to impose the tariffs that would be needed to force companies to make things in the US again.
>>52499153
>All components are made in China
>A "factory" in the US attaches the screens
Wow, much jobs, very manufacturing.
Time and again, protectionism DOES NOT WORK. You end up with these stupid workarounds that give a symbolic amount of jobs. It's like those vans that are imported to the US with seats because of the ban on imported commercial vehicles. The seats are stripped out in the US and hey it's not an imported commercial vehicle now.
>>52499674
Bernie is the only viable candidate.
Hilary is a flimsy liar and a glorified yesman.
>>52498654
trump apparently has no idea about the Trans Pacific Partnership, which is among other things, a free trade agreement between all pacific, and asian nations, including china, and the united states.
>>52499644
trans pacific partnership
free trade agreement
no tariffs
trump is a moron
>>52498654
This guy is super dumb though. why do you allow him to open his trap? gawd
>>52499647
>great smart people
>Apple
haha, good one.
>>52499704
Agreed, but Hillary's gonna win anyway because "muh social progress", even when it someone as horrible as Shillary
>>52499241
He should have been a good US politician and forced them off stage while inciting bigoted slurs, like Trump does with peaceful protesters.
>>52499492
>dem Chinese ghost cities
>nobody wants to go live there
>they just sit there, being part of their econ growth and shit
>>52498654
>trans pacific partnership
>free trade agreement
>no tariffs
>trump is a moron
TRUMP IS STUMPED
/POL/ BTFO
FEEL THE BERN
>>52499760
>but Hillary's gonna win anyway because "muh vagina"
>>52499328
But he's right. Trump has stated time and time again that he has no religious preference and has even *publicly slammed Jesus as a "socialist loser", but just today at Liberty "America is a Christian Nation" University, the dude spent hordes of time appealing to the idea that Christianity was under attack in America. He's been inconsistent with tons of things, this just being one example.
>>52499786
dey wert chineez gost sitiez doe
dey werr fool uv peepul hoo liv der
dey werr bilding duh haosez and duh skie skrapurz and eeting n duh restronts, and driveeng duh carz
>>52499767
I think it's possible to avoid being a racist bigot whilst also avoiding being an absolute cuck.
>>52499813
Exactly. I watched this video where they went around asking people why they were voting for her and the majority of the responses were "I think it's time we have a female president" or "because she's a woman"
Is there any hope left for society?
>>52499767
>peaceful protesters
What peaceful protesters?
The bernie manchildren from reddit who shout and disrupt him?
That muslim woman who not only stood up blocking the view of those behind her despite being asked to sit down, but also wore the star to directly compare Trump hitler?
>>52499823
And Bernie takes no ey from big corporations. So are you not voting for him because he lied?
>>52499813
Unfortunately, a lot of it really is this. I get so sick of seeing braindead "feminist"... for lack of a better word, beta males, talk up Hilary.
"She's a really strong candidate."
"She's really doing good."
"That was a solid speech she gave, she's looking like a good candidate. Standing up to the patriarchy, real good on her."
It's like they've never actually watched and listened to her. She's a conniving mindless shrew that lies and flip flops around telling people what she thinks they want to hear.
One thing I will say is she's very clever. Not wise, but clever. Not much she can do about Sanders though, with or without the spin of the media.
>>52499786
let me rephrase what i saw for you since you clearly don't get it
BIG BIG city, many many big big city. Every city so FULL of PEOPLE. Many people buy much things. People eating in food houses. People building bigger buildings, build bridge, build tall house. Many people running many business. And driving the vroom vrooms.
>>52499851
Protip: that video was paid with campaign donations and all the people interviewed were actors.
>>52499873
>not knowing what a PAC is
Bernie is the most consistent candidate in this race
Bernie = Reddit
Trump = 9gag
Jeb = 4chan
Jebheads WW@?
>>52499873
>And Bernie takes no ey from big corporations. So are you not voting for him because he lied?
Not him but do you have anything to back that up other than an unrelated image?
>>52499681
>>52499735
>>52499789
>muh tpp
>>52499958
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?cycle=All&id=N00000528&type
>>52499953
GUAC MAN
>>52499873
>>52499991
You're mixing up PAC and Super PAC.
daily reminder that free trade is Jewish tricks
>tfw here's a little 'truth in advertising' for you /g/.
Dig through this for a few insights.
http://mediaproject.wesleyan.edu/category/releases/2016-elections/
>>52499953
Trump is literally 4chan. he retweeted a pepe and video made by a /pol/ick
>>52499953
trumpcucks btfo
>>52500121
Post link. Want to see this.
I can easily see him browsing 4chan.
>>52500140
>>52500140
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/653856168402681856
>>52500121
>future president is a dumb frogposter
lmao america is doomed
>>52499883
are you attempting to imply that trump isn't a mindless shrew himself?
>>52499883
>It's like they've never actually watched and listened to him. He's a conniving mindless shrew that lies and flip flops around telling people what she thinks they want to hear. [1]
>One thing I will say is he's very clever. Not wise, but clever. Not much he can do about Sanders though, with or without the spin of the media.
[1]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/20/donald-trumps-many-campaign-180s-in-his-own-words/
Also Trump is categorically wrong on this issue if he thinks he can force Apple to manufacture in the US, because of one thing: The Trans-Pacific Partnership, which among other things includes a free trade agreement between the US and China.
>>52500168
...No? No.
>>52500206
I've been misinterpreted.
>>52498889
>not liking a company for making the maximum amount of money possible
Wew lad, are you an anarchist :^)?
>>52499895
Bullshit. You've probably been to Shanghai or Beijing, some of those megacities. Of course shit's gonna be massive in those cities, they have the 2nd most populated country on earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjwhk1ktNw
http://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2015/jul/23/shanghai-china-european-style-ghost-towns-in-pictures
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19049254
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30878863
The current economic slump in China comes on the heels of the previous real estate bubble burst. Are you saying those ghost cities they created during the real estate bubble are populated now?
>>52499153
>If products imported from China paid, say, 50% of their value in import tax
This would literally start a world war
>>52498654
Ahahahahahah
Ahahahahahah
Ahahahahahah
I can't wait for Donald Trump to make America great again.
Greetings from yurop
>>52498857
This man knows.
Technology over all is a tool to make our lives easier. It doesn't get easier than technology doing most if not all the work.
Economics is a cult though so I am sure we can expect some insanity along the way.
>>52500392
i've been to Beijing, Chengdu, Guang'an, EmeiShan, LeShan, Guangzhou,
>believing your western propaganda instead of what you see with your own eyes
>>52499052
that comic, is the guy in the fedora /g/ or /mu/?
I can't tell
>>52500624
Chongqing, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Qing Dao, Xi'an, Kunming, Zhengzhou, Baoding, Wuxi.
I spent two months touring the country last year. It's the same everywhere, including all the "little" roadstop towns
>>52500498
Greetings from Eurabia?
>>52500649
Oh and Changsha.
>>52500392
every city also has many huge malls. These malls have stores like Rolex, Ferrari, Gucci, DC, Prada (Prada's everywhere in china) BMW, Mercedes, Tesla (chengdu office too).
Despite whatever you want to believe, the world gonna keep on turning
>>52500624
>>52500649
you can almost sing that list like I've been everywhere by johnny cash
>>52500649
>Baoding
did you're hair fall off?
>>52500649
So the Chinese economy is doing very well according to you, but they just got out of a real estate bubble and recently their stock market crashed.
It's just Western media propaganda, right? There was no market crash, no real estate bubble, China has no economic issues. All this because one person went there and seen people in the cities buying stuff, so you immediately got a statistically significant opinion about the whole economy.
>>52499255
I'm not him, but I'm against a spineless ninny.
I don't care what the fuck his policies are, no one respects him enough to implement them.
He's going to be a foreign policy disaster if he got elected.
>>52501069
Substantiate that.
>>52500947
>bullshit. You've probably been to Shanghai or Beijing, some of those megacities. Of course shit's gonna be massive in those cities,
Incidentally, that's why i wanted to go to the other cities. to see for myself if it was just contained to those mega cities.
>There was no market crash, no real estate bubble, China has no economic issues.
not from what I could tell. and if there was, nobody seems to give a shit. There's more Mercedes cars rolling around Beijing than anywhere i've ever seen. I've been to London, NY, Chicago, Melbourne australia, Sydney. Havent been to europe proper yet, or south america, or the middle east though.
>>52501077
But my brother has been to Bahrain, and said that place has the most Lambos on the street he's ever seen in one place in real life
>>52501076
That image.
Just fucking look at him.
There are a bunch of stupid apes in the foreground and "Mr. Future President" in the background, alone, sad about being upstaged and yelled at by hateful minorities at his own fucking event.
Who would listen to this guy? Not Putin. Not the Republicans that currently own both houses.
Not anyone.
Why elect him if all you're going to get is lip service?
>>52500947
Here's the main problem with the american economy, in my opinion. Pic fucking related.
>absolutely nothing wrong with being mediocre
that mentality anywhere else... will get you killed. it's suicide.
>>52501125
You idiot, sanders wants all whites to apologize for slavery, then blacks will like him. Also there's going to be a political revolution, the house and senate will all be democratic socialists after this next election so he WILL be able to do everything.
>>52501125
It's just PR. It's wasn't worth fighting over those goons.
>>52501077
Well, it's already known that China has most bilionaires by now, it surpassed the US in that department, but is that really relevent to how the rest of the country is living?
There are more Mercedes in Europe than in other countries, because it's cheaper to buy European cars in Europe, since you don't pay any import taxes.
But most people in Europe don't buy expensive cars anymore. They think only peasants who just got rich by using EU agricultural funds or development funds buy Mercedes to show their new social status. Most everyone in Europe either buys midrange or cheaper cars or uses public transportation or bikes. The time of using your wealth to buy ostentatious luxury stuff is Europe is long gone, nobody does that except nouveau riche and EU farmers who want to show off. And of course, arabs who moved to Europe and need to prove that they "made it" so they buy a Mertz to have something to show for.
>>52501125
>Why elect him if all you're going to get is lip service?
Have you ever actually looked into anything he's done? Have you watched any of the debates, and do you actually realize any of the shit he, and every other candidate, actually has to wade through? It's not truly delicate, but it is a mess.
I actually remember some speech he was giving where some people started yelling and arguing with him. He tries to calm them down, you know, so the discussion can be a "you say you thing, and I say my thing, rather than we both yell at each other at the same time" kind of deal. It doesn't work, he loses it and tells them to shut up.
It doesn't seem like you actually understand anything about campaigning, dealing with the media, and dealing with how stupid people are when it comes to informing them about the function, and flaws, of a very large system. I've yet to see him back down, stand there and take, nor cave to anyone's irrelevant horseshit.
Either way, people aren't ever perfect, but I'm from Vermont. He's not the new guy on the scene for me.
>>52501187
I find it pretty delusional that you think black people would warm up to a white man that reminds them of "that guy they cuckolded that one time."
The black vote was relevant exactly twice, and you know the reason for it. They won't vote for anyone but a strong nigga that got their back.
>>52501207
There are more Mercedes in Europe than in other countries, because it's cheaper to buy European cars in Europe, since you don't pay any import taxes.
yeah that's the crazy thing. there are more imported cars in china than there are anywhere else, and they pay the import taxes gladly.
>They think only peasants who just got rich by using EU agricultural funds or development funds buy Mercedes to show their new social status.
yeah, and in China, it's different. People want quality, and they want to show off. Think america 50 years ago. It's like that. It's none of this neo-pussy bullshit like you want it to be
>>52501207
you are the personification of this point
>>52501158
>>52499696
>Wow, much jobs, very manufacturing.
Get the fuck out redditcuck. Go talk about Bernie elsewhere
>>52501284
guys, why do we let our children just "wear" the nikes. Why can't our children be MAKING, CREATING those Nikes?
>>52499183
Then why don't you disprove him (and Trump).
People who are anti-Trump always say the same shit. It's "laughable" or you repeat the same headlines you heard from someone else despite them blatantly being taken out of context. Then you pat yourself on the back because you're so politically educated, despite not having a clue. It's disgusting.
>>52501284
Bernie ha come to liberate you from your cuckoldry, Anon. Why must you fight it?
>>52499331
> blatant marketing for ameridumbs and pseudo intellectuals
basically /pol/
>>52501077
The populace's tendency to publically display their money isn't really related to their actual wealth so much as the cultural influence that makes them show it off.
Your description of the Chinese sounds like the average description of a "gangsta" with an iPhone.
>>52501338
you win, retard. you win.
>>52501308
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership
>>52501353
I mean if you wanted a real comparison you could at least compare the cost of living in the largest Chinese cities to the cost of living in the largest American cities.
>>52499533
>voluntary employment
>slaves
you seem to think that living wage manual labor is a curse not worth living for
remember when the american middle class was built on auto factory jobs? of course not, you probably thought everyone was a journalist or professional cuckold
>>52499704
HIllary is by far the worst, yeah, but Bernie has as many awful ideas as good ones
Rand Paul all the way nigger
>>52501396
ah, you're right!
>>52501354
Trump has been against the TPP for as long as it's been relevant.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/23/news/economy/trump-trade-deal/
You think he wouldn't get on Congress' asses about this and spin it in the media like he's spinning everything in the primary?
>>52501456
http://www.century21global.com/for-sale-residential/China/Beijing
>>52501456
>>52501459
He'd try, but there's no way he could undo the deal without some kind of disastrous event occurring.
>>52501456
That's not really a comparison.
And property values are a somewhat ridiculous way of measuring the value of a whole city, what with cherrypicking.
Wouldn't take much effort for you to find some shitty condemned rathouse in Queens and compare it to whatever the fuck in China.
>>52501438
>Rand Paul all the way nigger
I just watched a video of Rand Paul trying to argue that guaranteed healthcare was the equivalent of enslaving physicians and going and smashing down their door at 2 am to demand treatment.
He's a bullshitting idiot.
>>52501484
The deal isn't even finalized. An agreement was reached but the earliest it could get through is April 2016, possibly (likely?) longer.
http://egbertowillies.com/2015/11/13/move-to-amend-its-not-too-late-to-stop-the-tpp/
>>52501492
oh sorry, is this a condemned rat house in queens?
>>52501482
time to face the music. everything you believe about the us's status in the world as the "best" economy is a lie
>>52501492
>>52501414
minimum wage back then had literally 50% more buying power
and there were laws protecting US manifacture
you're literally being rammed up the ass by billionaires, Americuck
>>52501516
Congratulations, you compared the property value of a house in a suburb to the property value of another house in a suburb.
You've totally ignored what makes property valuable and assume that "proximity to the city" is the only thing that matters.
Hat's off to you grand intellectual.
Now look for cost of living or something else that objectively compares the necessary wealth required to just exist. It's well defined, you fuck.
>>52501550
No my good friend, hats off to you, because you don't seem to understand that in china, the city is expanding so rapidly that between the time you begin constructing a building to the time when the construction is finished, and you've moved in, you are completely surrounded by urban sprawl, and it's because of this phenomenon there's no equivalent to a "suburb" in china.
>>52498654
Is there anything this man can't do? God bless America.
>>52501583
You mean you're completely surrounded by empty urban sprawl, right?
"This house exists and is worth this much" does not mean that people occupy that house.
>>52501612
just go to china, since you're so well off in your "great" and "strong" economy that you can afford to see it for yourself then
remember
BIG BIG city, SO MANY PEOPLE
>>52501499
is he wrong? Guaranteed healthcare means that physicians cannot deny service to anyone.
our current system was built on free market policies. You can't turn that on it's head. There was literally nothing wrong with medicare for people who cannot afford insurance.
he has the right answer for almost every single problem this country has and an ideology to back it up
>>52501539
blame the fed you retarded liberal cuck. Guess who your precious Bernie defends? Right, the institution that literally does nothing but give free loans to millionaires, inflates the currency, then profits off it.
>>52501612
>criticising a foreign country's economy for being better than him
>refuses to believe facts and easily verifiable evidence
>A M E R I C A, land of the delusional, home of the cuckhold
you've made my homeland a parody of itself
>>52499153
>tax products imported from China
>Apple just manufactures their shit in Vietnam instead
Good job, idiot.
>>52501639
>I can't prove that my shitty smog filled country is better than burgerman's so I'm going to tell him to waste his time and go to a country with a history not dissimilar to the Native Americans currently residing in Nevada
Whatever you say chink shill, proof's on you if you want to prove China's place in the world isn't in the garbage.
>>52499060
dude, burger king is based in miami florida, not canada. tim's may still have an hq in canada, but ultimately they answer to bk.
>>52499153
>implying tariffs do jackshit when everything is so globalized
It's not the 1800s anon.
>>52501666
You can't even produce an objective measurement of the wealth of the average citizen you stupid fuck.
Where do you get off calling ANYTHING "evidence" if it isn't even relevant?
>>52501677
your place in the world is in the garbage, mr mediocre.
and i'm a white american, you fuckface, i'll fuck u up
>>52498706
kek
>>52501708
You've got Chinese dick on the mind.
I haven't ever seen anyone more cuckolded by the yellow scourge until you.
You should try fixing that inferiority complex of yours, maybe if you stopped bitching about being mediocre, you might actually get something done.
Alright I'm sold, vote for the fucker.
>>52501738
bitch i'm rich because of my businesses in china. go fuck yourself
you're the one who's blinded by a false sense of superiority (which objectively is inferiority) that's keeping you down
>>52499291
What happened?
considering the ridiculous profit margins apple has on their shit they could easily afford to do this
>>52501779
No wonder you're defending China so fiercely, you have to suck their dick to keep them from cutting corners so that they can use the miniscule profits on their bid to pay for their stale bread and suicide nets on every window.
>>52501806
i don't deal in manufactured goods you stupid brainlet
>>52498889
Whether it's intended or not the constant rolling hardware updates that Apple makes saturates the market with used hardware that is resold at a much cheaper price than mint hardware. It's not hardware that's worth a shit, but it allows yuppies to support the poor while fostering tech development. Not so bad.
>>52500068
The one goddamn "daily reminder" that I've actually agreed with on 4chan...
>>52501648
>is he wrong? Guaranteed healthcare means that physicians cannot deny service to anyone.
Yes. And the latter part is irrelevant.
Most physicians, and dentists, work on a salary in some larger entity. They do not privately practice or play by their own rules. What we're talking is almost strictly financial anyway.
>built on free market policies.
Look around buddy. You see a free market?
>he has the right answer for almost every single problem this country has and an ideology to back it up
I don't know about that, I don't know all that much about him.
The system is broken, and the human race's more garbage behaviors are surfacing. If you don't think guaranteed access to medical help you need is a good thing, then I don't know what to tell you. You're broken too, or you just haven't needed it yet or seen people get crippled under medical bills.
>>52501820
i own a hospitality chain that i founded myself
>>52501820
>implying this applies only to manufacturing
I wouldn't be surprised if they had suicide nets and stale bread in every office building.
>>52501840
stay mad (and poor), NEET
>>52501858
You'll never be yellow.
>>52501892
i dont wanna be. i just wanna be rich, and i am. i just want other people who want to be rich to know the truth, and i do
>>52501906
I don't know why you attribute your tax-dodging to being ``wealthy."
Could have done it literally anywhere else.
>>52501993
>implying i'm not paying my taxes
i have to pay taxes in the us, china, and australia. if i don't i lose my access to basically anywhere in the world because these countries have visa relations with most countries in the world. of course i pay my fucking taxes
>>52498857
>we just need to invest in automation.
Automation isn't the be-all, end-all solution to every problem. You can't downsize robots in a bad year and they're a pain in the ass when you want to change over for a new model.
Factories use robots for the things they need to use robots for, and they use monkeys for everything else.
>>52502200
only an ignorant monkey would call other human workers monkeys
![Panic[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WvD3l1O.jpg "Panic[1].jpg")
>>52501779
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-great-brain-robbery-china-cyber-espionage/
>yfw
>>52502237
i'm not worried about them stealing my intellectual property
>implying other nations don't spoof their origin from china for lulz and operational security
>>52502237
>blaming the entire population on the actions of one government bureaucracy (the intelligence bureau)
that's the same mentality al-qaeda had when they blamed the us citizens at large for the actions of one president
>>52499165
>lower minimum wage
To what, and how do you propose people survive with an even lower minimum wage?
>>52502226
> has never worked in a factory alongside barely-literate filipinos
(I hate my life)
>>52502320
his whole argument is fucked because he's basing it on the lack of knowledge of the TPP. or he's pretending the TPP isn't a thing
>applecucks on /g/ hate trump
can't say i'm surprised
>>52502258
>>52502298
>oh no, they are calling out my state sponsored intel stealing
>better blame those other niggers, it wont happen to me, I swear.
Go watch the video, I dare you.
Capcha: Select all images with french fries.
So Trump is a communist after all? There is really no hope.
>>52501833
>cannot deny service to anyone.
> irrelevant.
you are literally a person who believes that by legislating something as a right it magically happens
>You see a free market?
for medical care? before Obamacar? yes. I could choose my doctor and choose my plan, or choose to have no doctor and choose to have no plan. That's called freedom.
>I don't know all that much about him.
look him up, all the good things about Sanders he's even better at. Non interventionism, reducing the debt, auditing the fed, reducing inflation, ending the war on drugs, prison reform, etc etc. He's the total package
>the human race's more garbage behaviors are surfacing
>You're broken too, or you just haven't needed it
my mom survived breast cancer because of medicare. The thing about that though is that many doctors and physicians didn't accept medicare which was absolutely their call to make. People got upset that medicare got so expensive and decided that somehow socializing insurance would be the sollution to the problem. obviously it isnt
you need to think beyond more than just "oh yeah, everyone having healthcare is awesome! how could you hate that?" and use your real brain to understand how the real world works
>>52502375
you're just a clammy NEET who will believe whatever gives you just enough solace that you don't end your life tonight so you can wake up tomorrow and do the same thing all over again.
you have no proof of anything, nobody does. i'd believe it if there was proof, but i examined the data myself, and it was inconclusive to say the least. the data could have come from anywhere, but they need an official line, and since the last tracable hop comes from a server in china, (which can be rented by anybody anywhere) then they say oh it's china's doing, when in reality it could be literally anyone. i'd say it could even be you, if you wern't an inept gaymur NEET
>>52502320
Work two full timers, pussy.
>>52501793
they posted record earnings
>>52498654
Woo more automation
>Americans become the new global underclass >work 12 hour days in factories that produce luxury goods for wealthy Chinese
Based.
>>52502443
pretty much. at least the NEETs will get jobs because the system won't be able to afford dolling out NEETBUX anymore
![GVFDMZW[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Myk9ZaQ.png "GVFDMZW[1].png")
>>52502416
>I examined the data myself
>the data could have come from anywhere
>projecting this fucking hard
This is what you sound like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ntPxdWAWq8
See this man? This is you.
At this rate 50% of 'muricans are soon going to be so fucking broke they'll default and get thrown out of their house if they miss a few hundred bucks at the end of the month, leaving them slaving away in whatever shitty job they have, that even urban Chinese would not accept.
We laugh at the Africans and their poverty, but they might be better off than these wage slaves.
YOU CAN'T STUMP THE TRUMP
>>52502500
confirmed for NEET if you watch that drivel Mr Robot and un-ironically find it compelling
![1424790291259[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/z5utlil.jpg "1424790291259[1].jpg")
>>52502524
PROTIP:I'm not a NEET
The US labour market isnt flexible enough, foxconn can hire hundreds of thousands of workers to ramp up before a product launch in just a few weeks, the same would take many months if not years in the US.
Its not like anyone but the consumer will pay for that tax anyway
>>52498654
Hey never mind most of the electronics fabs are overseas. Let's tax the shit out of Chinese imports and sit back and watch as China goes and artificially drives electronics prices and rare-earth metal prices to absurd levels in response.
You know, I'm going into EE and MY JOB is dependent on a company being able to design electronics which requires the components to be cheap. If they are insanely expensive people won't be buying electronics, which means companies won't be hiring engineers, which means I'll be out of a job.
Unless he plans to let me sit on my ass and collect unemployment all day for the rest of my life I suggest Donald Trump figure out a better way to fix our economy.
I think we're all failing to take note of the stonewalling of innovation by corporations. When every metric of performance that a company produces is exclusive to monetary gain it creates a problem. Corporations cut corners and force R&D not to create something novel, but something that will net the most profit. They send the manufacturing processes overseas to ensure production cost is as low as possible, they wholesale to other massive corporations that can push units faster than any competitor for lower prices with the same margins, and no matter how well the product turns over the people producing it see only baseline revenue the cycle repeats, it concentrates wealth into certain parties pockets and company and assets but never does it see a worker's pocket.
You could pose the argument that new industries are being founded daily, but those new industries after any semblance of value is produced are bought out by bigger companies and quickly lose their creative value. Then there are industries which an individual or small company could never achieve. Microprocessors for instance, motor vehicles for another. Nobody can compete with these huge corporations and so new jobs can't be created. If there was a vacuum in the market it could be suffocated easily with mediocre products which would be subsequently rationalized as good enough. What we need to do is start breaking these companies down and redistributing their assets to smaller companies with more empathy and a stronger sense of responsibility.
>>52502565
It's not that flexible right now, but say the military industrial complex got its dick knocked in the dirt, we have 2mi troops running around, with significantly reformed prison system policies and judicial reform that's another 7 million, god knows how many motherfuckers are actually unemployed at the moment.
>>52502719
you're philosophizing
>>52498934
35% tariffs on all iFags, that easy.
>>52502625
>which means I'll be out of a job.
>Unless he plans to let me sit on my ass and collect unemployment all day for the rest of my life
You will get a new job in Trump's Deportation Force.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-deportation-force-illegal-immigration-2015-11
>>52498654
I would seriously like to know the implications on pricing this would create.
Would it really make manufacturing that much more expensive? Would Apple significantly raise their prices? Does this provide a good amount of quality factory jobs like we had "back in the day"?
>>52503503
>Does this provide a good amount of quality factory jobs like we had "back in the day"?
have you seen China lately?!
Apple has already brought some of their assembly work back to the US. Mostly built-to-order computers I think.
Thanks, Obama.
>>52499255
Don't tell me you're actually for that lying piece of shit.
He goes on and on about muh colleges and muh banks and the ebil corporations, but it's okay for his wife to commit loan fraud for burlington college and get paid with tuition money.
I hope his failure will drive him to finally quit politics, because I'm tired of this NY communist representing my state.
>>52499704
I'd take trump over Bernie because I have a feeling that trump doesn't believe a single thing he says. Bernie is just a delusional old pervert.
>>52501125
Pretty funny, because I've heard stories about him throwing tantrums a few years ago when people were trying to work with him.
>>52499336
cuck
>>52500498
Enjoy your "refugees" cuck
Trump's appeal is fairly easy to understand; he calls americans great.
He doesn't say that niggers are good and need love too, he doesn't say that we need more women, he doesn't say that america sucks and needs fixing, he says that america is great and we should make it that way.
>>52498654
Fucking good. One more reason to vote for him.
>>52499667
What are laws but means to get people to comply?
but senpai how can apple devices continue to get thinner if they're made by fat american sausage fingers
this does not change everything baka desu senpai
>>52499291
> look at wallmart, thats what happens when you raise min. Wage
That's a good use of post hoc fallacy. People might even believe were this >>>/pol/.
Sadly, it's not. Walmart stock was dropping like mad prior to the whole wage increase thing because of competition with Amazon, Target and Kroger. They have a foundation in nearly every urban and suburban community, so while the wage increase did eat into their bottom line, it was the least of their worries.
By the way, Walmart will never go bankrupt. Ever. There are simply too many people going to their stores.
>>52498889
>move all production to Taiwan
Honestly I like Trump's idea, fuck the Chinese communists. Taiwan is superior anyways.
>>52499116
But anon, corporations are people to
iphones literally cannot be built in america
america doesn't have the workforce, economic conditions, or technological infrastructure to produce any type of modern smartphone
>>52499100
Stop pulling numbers out your ass Trump.
Or is that Carter behind this post? I know it's not Hillary, because the post wasn't encrypted.
>>52504859
Except they do. The smartphones will be built robotically. The biggest trouble will not be workforce but resources since everything is made in china
>>52505121
I see that you follow the trumpian paradigm of "if I say it enough, it will be true"
>>52498782
There are two types of people in this world, anon. People who support their own country and those that don't. Everything else is irrelevant.
>>52499241
>just cuck my shit up senpai
>>52503969
>sanders
>communist
Fox News is melting your brain.
>>52505484
I'm just thinking about how the steam controllers were made in.. canada. They're made robotically.
>>52499667
>you can't make them suck your cock
worst comes to worse, unless you're russia, we can because nukes
>>52499667
Actually yes you can fire them.
Jews rule the world --> World leaders are jew puppets --> If Trump asks jews to get rid of world leader X, X will be fired.
>>52505726
>>52501310
>99% taxes
>u get free liberal arts degree.
>U wanted stem? too bad xd
>>52505781
Average quality of amerifat political discourse: the post
>>52503969
socialism =/= communism
You should feel bad about yourself.
>>52505840
>>52505856
Socialism will destroy any large country.
Not even 'merifat, but if you think socialism and leftards will make your country anything but shit you're delusional. But then again, you're mentally ill (lefty)
>>52499319
>Germany gets mass rape attacks
Germany reporting in. You're talking about Cologne, I suppose? The new years eve incident, which was 1. a singular event and 2. a single rape has yet to be proven, so far it's only been reported harrassment. Yes, one woman is claiming she's been raped and that may be true, but nothing is official yet.
Here where I live, the immigrants went out on 1st of January to clean the streets of the massive amount of fireworks waste while everybody else was still comatose drunk.
Don't talk about shit you don't understand, asshole. There's a million stories to this refugee crisis, quit trying to blame your domestic problems on immigrants, whom you in your ignorance so floridly name 'illegal alien cockroaches' best kept out by walls. Fuck you.
I love the US. Not for idiots like you, of course, but it's a great country. Now stop using a phenomenon happening an ocean away and beyond your understanding to justify any kind of domestic policy, much less the outrageously ridiculous ones brought forward by your latest republican monkey politician.
Why can't you guys, having achieved as much as you have, do something about your politics? Why can't we have nice things, like Sanders vs. Paul - why does your political process involve these Trump, Palin and whatnot types? It's a bit sad, actually, for a country of that stature to have these bad movie characters representing you.
>This is 21st century democracy
>>52505992
>German system incorporates many things elsewhere seen as 'socialist'
>currently economic leader in Europe
i would rather you back up your wild statement with a few numbers. that way i may be bothered looking up some as well.
