What is your preferred long term storage method?
>magnetic tape
mah nigga
>>52222916
I have a 4t raid0 made of barracudas.
Use it for movies and photos
>>52222916
ordinary hard drives (a primary in my machine, and a backup). Really important stuff gets burned to discs.
>tape
I recognize that the incremental cost per terabyte is lower, but I can't afford a thousand-dollar tape drive. If I was storing a lot more data and spending a lot more money than I am, it'd be nice, but I can't get over the initial-cost hurdle.
>>52222916
What device does it take to read that thing?
>>52222916
Short term storage.
I've dealt with far too many disk corruptions, mid-stopped partition resizing, lost files, disks dying, etc to know not to expect things to last.
So just don't count on them lasting and you'll live a better and more stress-free life.
>>52222950
>thousand-dollar tape drive
Second hand tape drives are as cheap as ThinkPads. I got an LTO5 drive for $150.
>>52222950
tape is also sensitive to temperature changes and em fields. really not viable unless you have a climate-controlled bunker to store it in.
Raid 10
>6.25TB for $35
I might buy one just for shits and giggles.
>>52223037
What about the $2000 drive?
>>52223078
lol I didn't see that. Never mind then.
>>52223090
Top kek
I just got a blu ray drive that can also write to m-disk. I'll likely start burning all the photos/video/documents I shit out in a year and burn them to blu-ray. I'll also store everything on the 2 2TB HDDs I have, but those are due to be replaced as soon as I feel like it.
It's too bad SSDs have not panned out to be the super reliable storage they could be, they're really just super fast, but limited life storage solutions.
I just burn the real important stuff to DVD-R.
I don't really keep more than 50GB of important suff a year (photos, documents, work, etc), so I barely use a spindle.
To be extra sure I have two drives and buy discs from two different brands.
I have yet to see my method lose a single file.
The reason I like optical media is because it avoids bitrot and my own stupidity. Particularly with dvdisaster for added protection.
That and optical media is like a tank. If it were cheaper and had bigger discs, it would be the best storage medium.
>>52222985
lol we store shit on our office. Some since 2000 and it still works fine what are you smoking?
>>52223143
I personally don't see optical media going away. I also don't trust a spindle hard drive or a solid state drive to ever last as long. Important shit goes on disks for me from now on.
Suggested brand of disks? Blu-rays?
>>52223105
You know they have a longer life span in HDDs
>>52223170
>I also don't trust a spindle hard drive or a solid state drive to ever last as long
I have DVDs I burned a mere 6 years ago turn bad on me, and I have 40 MB hard drives from early 1990s Macintosh IIsi units that are completely fine. I'll trust hard drives in a drawer before cheap DVDs. Archival-grade stuff is a different story.
>>52222935
>Seagate raid0
>long term storage
hahahahahahaha
>>52223170
I'm not big on worrying about the quality of the discs, and just use Verbatims and a cheapo brand (I'd expect to lose everything if I just used the cheapo though --you have to worry a bit).
Some people used to sware by Taiyo Yudens, but they are expensive as. I've only had a few Verbatims fail on me in ten or so years, and where they have failed the cheapo was more than enough for recovery (it seems to be luck more than anything).
The thing about burning the same disc image twice is, you can use dvdisaster to recover the original image if the failures are situated on different parts of each disc. It's rare enough that you see a failure, let alone one on the same sector across two discs.
>>52223291
thatsthejoke
not having it in the first place
Couple of hard drives strewn around with bits and pieces on them
Don't care about most of my shit if i lose it got all my important stuff on the cloud (dont chu laff at me)
>>52223005
RAID10 isn't a backup or storage solution. It only has a single disk of redundancy anyway.
>>52222916
stone punch cards
I would really like to use tape but I first need to find a cheap enough LTO4 or 5 drive.
>>52222916
I'm effectively running a RAID 1 of about 10TB of storage and would like alternatives. I might just build my own NAS as a secondary backup.
>>52222916
What kind of interface would I need if I decided to buy two or three of these? I'm guessing USB?
In a hardware RAID 5 of btrfs volumes with no backup of course!
>>52223856
>tape
>USB
lmao
>>52223906
linus go to sleep
>>52222916
engraving the base64 representation of the data onto titanium disks
>>52223911
Well hard drives are basically a lot of floppies stacked and you can get USB hard drives...
>>52223151
good luck with that. tapes are stupidly easy to corrupt, and even reading the data to verify it causes their lifespan to shorten.
>>52223926
Torvalds or the tech tips guy?
>>52223090
You can buy them refurbished or used for significantly less.
>>52223936
Do you use an arduino to automate write & read? How many bytes per square inch can you save?
>>52223854
You mean primary backup. RAID is not a backup
>>52224308
No.
>>52222916
Chiseled stone.
Sumerian clay tablets.
>>52222916
Important and sensitive info if in an off site rotation. Backup media is DDS 72. Restores are tested every 6 weeks, and information is largely static.
>>52223383
Wait what?! No, in a raid 10 you can lose 50% of your drives.
Which is why I run all my storage raid 10. Because emc uses shitty drives....
>>52222970
How? I'm seeing them for at least 600.
seagate harddrives
>>52225551
So paperweight?
Papyrus scrolls.
Are SD cards are the most durable storage?
>>52222916
cloud.
i don't care about the cost and i've had a home server for years. no way i'm going back to manually checking raid-status, replacing defective disks, updating the OS, etc.
the only storage i have at home is a time capsule that stores backups of my macbook and that's it.
punch card archive
>>52222916
You posted it
>picked up an LTO-4 drive for $15
>tapes are $10-$20 each
feels good
>>52222985
Climate controlled bunker, house or office
>>52224255
do you also have USB cassettes?
>>52226544
share your wisdom
>it just not werk™
If you are not storing a rotating copy of your backup(s) offsite, you are wasting your time.
>>52222916
-I print my shit out and hold papers in vacum chamber. Everything from pictures to source code of files.
A file cabinet
>>52222916
Speaking of data corruption, any services /g/ recommends for data recovery from an hdd?
>>52229596ddrescue
>>52225112
Wouldn't rely on them, they break pretty easy, trust me
>>52223291
I'll have you know that my barracuda is on its 8th year and still running
>>52229480
Csn you read and rewrite tho
>>52223239
I never really thought about it, but if you really think about it, hdds are just as, if not more likely, to die from mechanical failures as ssds are from aging.
>>52224582
Speaking of raid. I was thinking of getting a small qnap or drobo and popping in two 5tb drives in raid 1 and then scheduling weekly backups to my 5tb wd elements
Would that be reasonable?
>>52223308
Meh i think I'm just gonna go M-disk from the beginning for anything I really want permanent.
8 x 4 tb
raid 6
24 terrabyte
Honestly? Google Drive. All my important photos and documents are there. I trust Google will keep my data safer than any attempt of RAID, magnetic tapes, and drives on my end
>>52222916
>tape meme
This shit is so retarded. If you ever need to access your data so distantly in the future that other media will have worn out by then, you probably will have no access to a working tape drive anyway, because it will be fucking ancient hardware by then. If you think cheap tape drives are hard to find now, just wait until 30 or so years from now.
The best "long term storage method" is regularly backing up your data between multiple drives, migrating it to new media when necessary, that way you'll always have a way to access your shit unless all your backups fail at once, which is highly unlikely.
>>52231626
>, you probably will have no access to a working tape drive anyway,
there are plenty of old standard drives floating around on the internet. The LTO standard also offers backward compatibility so you don't need the exact generation of LTO to read older tapes. Also, if you're not loading backups to check for integrity and changing to the newer standard every few years, chances are your data isn't really worth anything anyways
>>52231555
nice meme
>>52230488
Do SSDs age when they aren't written to?
>>52231524
Ever had a drive failure? Can we see pics?
>>52232719
Drive failure images are a work of art
I want to own a datacenter and put interesting corrupted Images from my hdd failures up in some art gallery
dvd
>>52223291
>>52223926
kek'd
>>52224330
the tech tips guy, his server failed recently
From a Vessel vid description
"We experienced a MASSIVE RAID failure on Whonnock server and lost a crapload of data. Can we get it back?"
And for those axing, nope, I did not pay for Vessel, Vessel (through Linus) were offering a year free trial with em so I thought I may as well
>>52229480
>that lasts forever
>what is lava
>what is a nuclear bomb directly to the forehead
They're lying.
external HDDs
disk one - 'rdiff-backup' (backup once a week)
disk two - 'attick' (backup once a month)
disk three - 'rdiff-backup' (backup once a month)
One of monthly backups is always in my work office.
Still looking for better solution in case of bit-rott (disc corruption). Not sure how --repair flag works in attic and there is probably nothing like that in rdiff-backup.
'dar' and 'bup' possibly can use par2 to repair damaged backup.
Also I should abuse my unused 16GB ssd I have in my PC (after installation of Debian, I have no use for it, except for maybe daily backups).
>>52222916
>tape drives are $1600
>tapes are $30 each
One day, I'll be rich enough to buy a tape drive.
Once you are past the initial drive cost, you can pretty much have unlimited space for years to come.
Tapes are not that bad with access times of ~1 minute
It's good for data hoarders that don't need to access their shit every so often
The only downside is that you have to copy movies to hdd first if you want to be able to seek.
>>52232426
This
>>52229480
>aliens will be able to extract my memes when the sun explodes
yisssssssssssss
DNA storage fucking when?
>>52235135
You mean sperm banks?
>>52235135
how many hundreds of thousands of dollars are you willing to spend?
>>52235231
>$500/MB
>mfw $500000000 for 1TB
