I'll start.
>>52202473
except an HDD is mechanical and an SSD uses electricity?
>>52202505
but the former mechanics are moved with electricity?
>>52202536
which are generated from chemical energy?
>>52202542
which is generated by this dying planet?
>inb5 ban
>>52202565
DELETE THIS
>>52202552
which was created by nothing that exploded?
>>52202579
never
>>52202473
I hope they ban your entire IP range.
>>52202696
You fucking idiot that's the 980
>>52202580
Christians 1
Atheists 0
>>52202715
No it's not, that's the new AMD Radeon® Fury X™
>>52202716
10/10 thread
ssd is snakeoil
>>52202473T
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>>52202505
SSD is Digital*. HDD should have less glitches by theory. Mechanical systems are more robust.
>>52202587
>install gentoo
>>52202931
I've always meant to ask - what type of oil should I be using to lubricate my HDD?
>>52202931
Both store digital data, when the output is digital, mechanical holds no advantage.
SSD has no movable parts.
SSD wins.
why there is so much denial for ssds in here?
When CSGO players use a gtx 980ti that will let them play at 300fps on a 144hz monitor on a 128 tick server with eyes that don't work above 60 fps.
>>52203244
this
![[Zurako] Sora no Woto - 03 - A Day with the Squad - Rio Runs (BD 1080p AAC) [61F13B8D].mkv_snapshot_06.01_[2016.01.01_01.18.32].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/V82vVgR.jpg "[Zurako] Sora no Woto - 03 - A Day with the Squad - Rio Runs (BD 1080p AAC) [61F13B8D].mkv_snapshot_06.01_[2016.01.01_01.18.32].jpg")
>>52202473
>mfw rotational velocindensity
>>52203163
Because poverty
>>52202931
you are joking right
this thread is literally reddit. you faggots should be ashramed.
>>52202473
but HDD's can only access data at a single point at any given time, where the rw head is.
SSD's, by definition, can randomly access information at any "location" in the medium. there is no "flow", like you mistakenly believe.
>>52203050
I just use WD40
>>52203244
csgo is cpu heavy. neck yourself
>>52203427
Everyone laugh at this tard.
>>52203427
>flow
I assumed OPs post was bait and that we would all come in and laugh because of this "flow" claim
but HDDs have rotational velocidensity
so you have to use flac / lossless movie rips
>>52202473
Tapes have full left and right movement for even more superior sequential read/write
>>52203427
caching you dumb piece of shit
what the fuck are you 12?
>>52202473
That's fucking bullshit and you know it. Even if it followed that pattern it would move at the speed of electricity versus the speed of a fucking arm swiping on a disk. Fuck off with your retarded SSD meme.
>>52203244
>eyes that dont work above 60
The eyes are not technology. They dont have a maximum or minmum fps. Plus 144Hz screens dont have such awful tearing
Is this board just a huge meme or am I just missing something ? Every time I come here its just weebs talking shit about anything that isnt linux and morons acting like they know what theyre talking about.
Why the fuck is this board even called technology ? Go to /a/ you fucking nerds.
>>52202473
Anti SSD shills sure have been rampant these last few weeks... HDD manufacturers feeling the burn?
>>52204072
Don't let your memes become dreams bruh.
>>52202505
It's a meme retard, SSD is 100 times faster
What i learn today from this thread is
NOBODY FUCKING KNOWS HOW SSD OR HDD WORK
LIKE ROSE SAID
ITS FUCKING MAGIC
Holy shit...how new are some of the kids here? You guys have not seen some rotational velocidensity bait before?...
You made me kek a bit OP, well done.
>>52202473
Are you retarded?
>>52203244
>eyes that don't work above 60 fps.
I hate this meme.
>>52202473
>ITT autism
>ugotme
>>52203558
>cpu heavy
My shitty computer that barely runs mine craft runs csgo
>>52202473
>Purchasing products that are guaranteed to fail
>unnecessary amounts of ram helps performance
>>52204554
I know a fucktard who bought an expensive Dell Laptop with 16gb ram to use Facebook and Gmail. He once told me that reason his video streaming is bad was due to shortage of ram. One normie got into an argument with me in an online game that location doesn't matter in your ping, its your ram.
>mfw
>>52203417
I am not, present your arguments
>>52203162
SSDs fail after a finite amount of time
I have HDD's older than you are that still work
>>52205800
How fucking useful are they at fucking 10 iops and 33 mb/s transfers?
>>52202473
100,000 IOPS & 500-2000 MB/s transfers
vs
100 IOPS & 150MB/s transfers
>>52202580
Logical fallacy. False premise.
>>52205862
Still works, unlike the expensive SSD you bought for a nominal performance gain.
>>52205945
>nominal
>>52202473
SSD for OS, HDD for files
>>52202878
HAHAHA FAIL
YOU MUST HAVE SUCKED SO MUCH IN LIFE
FAGGOT HOW DO YOU EVEN LIVE?
DID MOMMY DROP YOU WHEN YOU WERE ABORTED?
YOU BELONG TO MINIMUM WAGE KEK
>>52204487
me too, its 30 fps so 15 fps per eyes
>>52203244
Guess what fag, you don't measure anything the eye does in terms of fps.
>>52203244
First of all the human brain cant even comprehend anything greater than 30fps and that is for truly exceptional individuals. iirc .0000001 % of the population are actually capable of comprehending 30 fps. the average for most people is 24 fps that is the one that is truly comfortable. it reduces eye strain and your brain does not get overloaded. Some research has actually been done that states that 24 fps might actually be harmful to us.
Is this a fake science thread now?
>>52206140
Not even going to ask for a citation, since pic related
>>52206651
Mom jeans and creepy guy say yes
>>52206906
noone is stopping you from looking it up senpai. just do a quick search. it might be hard to find anything though since companies rush to take that shit down. If the truth came out their profits would go to shit.
>>52205265
>>52202931
There's no such thing as a non-mechanical failure
>>52203163
le funy maymays
>>52206140
Considering how everything we observe through our eyes is happening at the speed of causality, I call bullshit.
>>52206140
You'll get motion sick in a VR headset that is under ~75Hz, and it only really feel comfortable once you reach about 90 Hz, and the feeling of responsiveness goes up with Hz/FPS.
>>52206140
>>52203427
It can randomly access data alright, but it still has to look for the data in flow-like pattern. So your latency will be in the gutter.
HDD wins
>>52202473
yea but at least rotational velocidensity doesn't affect SSDs
>>52206651
What do those faces tell you ?
Faces.
Joy and pain.
>>52207690
No you get silicone holes instead.
Don't you ever read a book or something duh?
>>52202473
idk senpai before I switched my OS to an SSD it took a good 5 minutes of boot time, and now its like 5 seconds.
>>52207744
RIGHT HERE PROOF!
This guy moved from an SSD to a HDD and shaved 4 minutes 55 seconds from his boot time.
It's the silicon holes letting all the information out, that why SSDs get really slow over time.
>>52207744
That is just because you finally reinstalled your OS and got rid of all the bloat slowing you down.
On HDD you would get atleast same boot time or even lower
>drop laptop with HDD
>it broke, cash out on new one
>drop laptop with SSD
>it just werks™
>>52207770
Valid point. I honestly wouldn't have even gotten one if it wasn't for that weird price drop Kingston had on some of its SSD a few months back. Scored a 120 GB for like 60 bucks.
>>52207773
>drop laptop with HDD
>drive gracefully fails to prevent leaking on information
>drop laptop with SSD
>information starts falling out of silicon holes, allowing would be attackers to get your identity and steal all your money.
No wonder the SSD meme is being pushed so hard, /pol/ is always right.
>>52204507
>minecraft
>unoptimized shit
CSGO steresses the CPU more than the GPU. Source games are CPU intensive.
>>52206028
Mein Neger
>>52206028
>>52207841
>OS consists of files
>lines are blurred
wat do
>>52207773
>dropping things
Good job OP
>>52203921
>>52207627
ok bud.
here's your (You)
>>52202565
>minimally
>not -O1337 --funroll-loops the shit out of everything for 300% extra performance
For those who were wondering, this whole SSDs are shitty crap is coming from an SA raid.
>>52202473
>>52202505
kek'd
>>52202473
Actually the problem is reliability, and only because of flash memory's construction. Other NVRAM technologies are available that are faster, more robust, and will be cheaper in the future (the length of time before that happens is a function of how willing the market is to accept them). MRAM, for example, literally is a hard drive with no moving parts. Instead, the material that normally makes a hard drive platter, is packed in a chip.
>>52208409
Also known as "The truth about SSDs"
>>52208106
thanks mate, was looking for that
>tfw almost no one ever quotes me
gr8b8m8
>>52205800
If archival is your goal, why not use LTO or optical disc based archival systems. They will last 100 years after you are dead.
>>52203244
The human eye can't see more than 3.5GB anyways.
>>52206007
Itt: retards
>>52205945
My SSD I bought in 2009 still works, despite being used as a system drive for years, with the page file on it and everything.
>>52202716
[citation required]
I have a pair of SSD's in RAID 0
:^)
>>52206906
>>52207406
You both might, legitimately, be retarded.
>>52203244
0/10 bait
made me reply
SSD isn't sequential
SSD is RAM
What about dem randoms
>>52205945
>I have HDD's older than you are that still work
Doesn't really matter. If they're that old they're practically useless anyways.
>>52207132
>everything we observe through our eyes is happening at the speed of causality
I was looking for words to describe exactly this, thanks.
>>52202473
When will this meme die?
>over 3 years power on time
>over 22TB of NAND writes
>no placebo precautions taken (moving caches and pagefile to mech drives)
>werks like a champ
Based Intel. I was ready to get an OCZ Petrol back then buy I perused their forums and saw all the reliability complaints, so I switched my order to the Intel one.
Every time I use a computer with an HDD today, it feels painful as everything responds slower, from loading website assets from cache to enumerating start menu items.
>>52211069
>12.59 mb/s write
holy shit
top kek
>>52214405
Those are random writes (and the kind that actually matter for most application workloads that affect perceived performance) and are breddy gud for a 6 year old SSD. A modern 7k2 rpm HDD is way slower than that.
>>52208106
>calling replies (You)s
slav cancer
>>52202473
>using b8 this obvious
>>52206061
The only thing that failed here is you're mother's alley abortion famalam
HDDs are pretty much becoming like VHS at this point. The price gap is closing fast and SSDs are better. Anyone who thinks different are just hipsters trying to go to starbucks with steampunk cosplays.
but what do you do when your mechanic HD becomes heavier and thus have slower rotational velocity from so many GB?
Checkmate. SSDs use electricity to store bits instead of magents.
Protip: Electricity bits are weightless.
>>52202707
i chuckled, dammit anon
If the 32gb sandisk with 550mb read 200mb write fits my needs (basic linux usage) and costs 10$ less than the 500gb HDD which has 130mb read at best why the fuck would I buy a HDD lol
>>52214387
>almost 60TB of NAND writes
>only 5.6TB of Host writes
>my SSD is trying to destroy itself
>>52216330
>power on count: 27
>power on hours: 5070 hours
>>52216742
I reboot my computer one a week. I turn it off as little as possible.
>>52216330
Something looks wrong here. Could you scroll further from ID E1 (so the rest of the SMART attributes come into view)?
10x write amplification is very atypical for client workloads.
>>52202473
>>52207627
I randomly access your mom.
>>52216764
>>52216866
>>52217016
Why not?
>>52217042
Why not not ?
>>52217042
Because it's fucking pointless and a waste of energy, and unnecessarily wears out the hardware.
>>52217016
It's 5 extra doll hairs worth of electricity per month for the convenience of always having my computer ready.
>>52203639
god damn that is one rare fishie
>>52217076
>and unnecessarily wears out the hardware.
I'll replace it before it dies anyway.
>>52217076
>pointless
Subjective.
>a waste of energy
It's really not unless you're below the poverty line.
>unnecessarily wears out the hardware
Extreme changes in temperature (from turning it on/off every day) wears out the hardware more.
>>52217124
>I'll replace it before it dies anyway
Pretty much. That's like all of /g/
>>52217142
>Extreme changes in temperature (from turning it on/off every day) wears out the hardware more.
Standby has the same effect dumbass
>>52213086
You say made me reply when you rate it something greater than 0. If it was 0/10 bait you wouldn't have replied.
>>52202716
kek
>>52217019
Seems like the 530 specifically does something derpy with that value.
https://communities.intel.com/thread/46941?tstart=0
It's probably a SMART reporting issue and not an actual problem with the drive having huge write amplification. My 330 has the same Sandforce controller and I have less than 1.15x amplification (see >>52214387 ).
>>52217190
The it don't matter hoe
>>52202473
>better sequential read
I sure do like my 500 MB/s read speed on my HDD. Oh wait, it's like fucking 50 MB/s tops.
>>52203163
poor people
10,000 rpm master race
>>52217518
Hells yeah.
>crystaldiskmark default raw values are shown in HEX
who the fuck thought this is a good idea
>>52218266
Well, they are RAW values.
>>52218354
That you're supposed to read as a human.
And the raw values are in bits, not in base16.
You can change it though
>>52207627
>A platter can move faster than electrical current.
>>52203244
Fps and refresh rate are not the same, genius.
300 fps on a 144 hz monitor will look better than 200, and WILL improve your gameplay.
>>52219268
>300 fps on a 144 hz monitor will look better than 200
300 fps on a 144 hz monitor will look torn and fuck.
200 fps at least wouldn't tear so much. There'd be no visible improvement because the monitor is still only refreshing 144 times per second.
>>52203999
>>52204487
>>52206137
>>52206103
>>52214199
Technically the various neurons in the retina, CNS and PNS have chemical mechanisms that hard limit the amount of times they can fire, or in the case of the receptor cells themselves, how continuously they can stop their inhibition of their respective bipolar cells.
For example their is an absolutely inviolable refractory period within the axons of ALL neurons to do with their ability to restore the natural ionic balance within the fiber. Pottasium and sodium mainly. Additionally, there is a period of reduced receptiveness given unfavorable ionic composition within the axon post action potential, but this is not absolute.
Furthermore, the chemical necessary for the transduction of light into nervous information demands a chemical that is intentionally depleted and then restored. Rhodopsin? I'm not sure it's been a while since I took human A&P.
The visual sense is not perfect, instantaneous, nor continuous.
>>52217103
Pretty much any operating system (unless it's Linux) has awful memory management. Turning off your computer before going to bed is worth the 2 seconds it takes.
my year old pny 120gb ssd
Trying to bench my hdd but it says I have 20 mins left lel
No regrets with buying an ssd, will buy a bigger better one for my next build.
>>52214387
Jesus christ most of this thread is embarrassing.
>>52214754
unaware of the demigod that is Markov
>In 1866, Andrey Andreyevich's school life began with his entrance into St. Petersburg's fifth grammar school. Already during his school time Andrey was intensely engaged in higher mathematics. As a 17-year-old grammar school student, he informed Viktor Bunyakovsky, Aleksandr Korkin, and Yegor Ivanovich Zolotarev about an apparently new method to solve linear ordinary differential equations, and he was invited to the so-called Korkin Saturdays, where Korkin's students regularly met. In 1874, he finished the school and began his studies at the physico-mathematical department of St. Petersburg University.
That's Markov. He did that. You just misunderstand consumer technology and play video games. How about you get your shit together?
>>52219836
SATA is still serial.
>>52218457
Base16 is still the raw data, it is just base2 converted to base16.
They could have converted it to base 10 but it still wouldn't have been human readable, A73 isn't 167. 23 isn't 108.
Base16 is just a more compact way of displaying the exact same data.
>>52219930
what is caching
>>52219947
>They could have converted it to base 10 but it still wouldn't have been human readable,
There is an option to do exactly that and it is readable.
Hexadecimal is retarded if you want people to read it.
>>52219814
get on my level m7+1
>>52206061
>>52219949
It's still transferred to the computer in serial, not parallel.
>>52203999
The eyes are not technology. They don't have a maximum or minimum wavelength. Plus ultraviolet rays don't have such awful colors.
get wrecked nubs
2013 SSD. Can you guess which one?
>>52219919
> still in grammar school at 17
> considered smart
>>52220079
840pro's are decent don't see why you had to spend 1000 hours in ms paint to make that
>>52220231
yeah lol the 840 pros are only rated at below 500MB/s kek
>>52220259
Also he forgot the MB/s on the Write section of 4K-64Thrd
>>52220087
the access speed is faster because of the parallel bus, it is transferred to the cache faster, thus gets from medium to cache to memory faster
>implying an electrical integrated circuit is slower than reading a magnetic charge from a physical medium that must be in the precise location for the read to take place
>>52220205
mfw
>>52220299
I never claimed mechanical shitboxes were faster.
>>52220299
mfw reading your post*
>>52220299
>>52220312
>be a retard devils advocate
>be corrected
>claim you wern't being a retarded devils advocate
stay gold, ponyboy. stay gold.
>>52219461
But viewing real objects is only limited by how fast light can travel.
Infinity refresh -> eyes -> smooth image
Monitors and the like are capped at their respective refresh rate.
60fps -> eyes -> choppy image
>>52220601
so how is this fake because you can't get those speeds out of an 840 unless you're RAIDing the fuck out of many drives.
>>52220600
>But viewing real objects is only limited by how fast light can travel.
It's actually limited my the mechanical action of ion gates within neurons' soma and axons, and, of course, the processing power of the brain.
And, because visual perception and comprehension is patently multi-axonal, we're limited by the even slower process of chemical synapse and graded potential action.
Obviously outside the human system it's limited by the speed of light through the given medium, but that isn't what we're adressing.
>>52220809
I like this guy
>>52220809
>multi-axonal
FUCK I meant polysynaptic
pls don't bully
>>52220601
How?
Some kind of trickery with RAM?
>>52220676
He has RAPID mode enabled, which is basically a giant RAM cache
>>52206061
>kek
not using the superior zuzzle. What are you. fucking gay?
>>52221012
mystery solved
>>52219836
nice 7years old visuals bro
>>52221177
yep, totally makes the proof irrelevant, doesn't it?
>>52220841
wtf is this chat?
>>52219836
why is a multihead HDD not a thing?
>>52221680
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/seagate-hdd-harddrive,8279.html
It was, but not for long.
>>52221662
some beta giving a dude pretending to be a girl on steam 700 bucks for being a "girl" and talking to him
>>52221748
pretty sickening from both perspectives
>>52221985
From a logical point of view, he's just cutting to the chase.
Why waste time and money to talk to a girl when you can just pay the girl to talk to you?
>>52221748
Did anyone added this guy to let him know he gave 700$ to a dude?
>>52222071
>Why waste time and money to talk to a girl when you can just pay the girl to talk to you?
>Why waste (...) money to talk to a girl when you can just pay the girl to talk to you?
>Why waste (...) money (...) when you can just [waste money]?
>>52207406
>image
>this whole thread
>>52222394
It's why waste time and money when you just can waste money
>>52221680
HDDs do have multiple heads, they just have a single arm.
I suppose a reasonable question would be why don't they have more heads along the arm which could allow them to seek the nearest head to the target track faster, but it would also be quite a bit more complex to program.
>>52222533
because why do that when solid state exists?
that's not solving (read eliminating) the problem, it's only making a really complicated patch
>>52221748
People give perma-virgins shit but you know what? This is worse. Even if his target was actually female and he ended up getting sex it's still worse.
If you want sex that badly you can just hire a whore.
When will the SSD is a meme meme die?
>>52222604
The word meme will die in the next few years.
>>52205800
>no SSDs have personally failed for you
>uses personal experience to prove a point anyway
kek
>>52207732
Except that's a real thing.
>>52208409
Are they western digital shills? Seagate has SSDs and does well in the enterprise market. Samsung does very well with their SSDs on the consumer end and are really breaking into the enterprise market thanks to the nerds who work at these places using their SSDs at home.
So, what is WD doing? I think we're looking at.
>>52222737
nokia phones have an ssd
>>52203558
>Neck yourself
Lol
Why don't we put the flash chips in a circle?
>>52216330
>>52216866
>>52217019
FYI: SSDs don't all have the same/nearly the same SMART info as HDDs. Changes from manufacturer to manufacturer. One thing that's really annoying when troubleshooting them.
>>52220087
>not using a SAS SSD as a way to easily win this argument
>>52222533
It would cost too much. Now we have SSDs and no one cares.
>>52203050
Take sunflower oil, that can be heated more and will give a crispy skin
>>52214387
SSDs can withstand writes into the petabyte range before failing
>>52222874
Source?
>>52216925
Lol
>>52222891
Any SSD manufacturers website? Are you seriously not aware that SSDs last longer than HDDs?
>>52223001
I've never seen an SSD rated at petabytes.
>>52223007
If Enterprise SAS HDDs can get into hundreds of TBs of writes per year (notice they didn't specificy a time period) then why not SSDs?
ITT Poorfags justifying why they are poor
>>52223022
SSDs do get into hundreds of terabytes.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-reliability-failure-rate,2923.html
But not petabytes that I've seen.
>>52222809
Actually one thing brought up is that many small writes to files could cause much larger NAND writes than Host and one thing that worried me was things that would stuff themselves into your appdata directory without your say in the matter, like Firefox.
I just decided to set up a couple of symlinks so that Firefox profile shit will piss off to my HDD instead, I will see if my NAND writes keep increasing at the same rate.
It's still a concern, though, that you have to manage applications to prevent overwriting to the drive.
>>52223104
>2011
>>52223160
Very true, I couldn't find anything more recent though.
>>52223158
You're the exact type of idiot that OP is making fun of.
>>52223171
How so?
>>52223164
http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead/3
>>52223540
>Consumer SSDs destroy HDDs
>Enterprise absolutely rapes everything ever
Holy fuck
>>52211361
>[citation required]
“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
Genesis 1:3
I think my ssd should last me some time.
but my 1tb is tossing errors. maybe 6 years is too old...
>>52203427
>>52222533
>why don't they have more heads along the arm
some did
>>52202707
I hope they ban your ISP,your NIC and your MAC.
And I hope they burn you to ashes.
>>52206906
>Greetings Bait
Wait, was there a cartoon named like that?
>>52225262
>>why don't they have more heads along the arm
>some did
Some even had fixed heads on the back of the first/last platter. Really quick for paging.
