I work for a Fortune 500 company and was hired as a "Developer". Been there 2 years now. After a year of writing code for them, they effectively pulled a bait-and-switch and now mostly have had me doing production support related work. You have to be able to research all the code they have to explain why "event A" and "event B" happened, which led to "event C", and so forth. Its a finance related company, so there's shit-tons of math and scheduling and other stuff that plays into it all. It takes programming knowledge to get this job done. There's a name for this type of job already, and it's called "Programmer Analyst". Anyhow, I'm a little pissed that I'm not writing any code anymore, but I figure I can maybe turn this into a positive. I'm pressuring them to officially change my job title to "Programmer Analyst". I want it "on the books" so that when someone does an employment background check on me, they will be able to clearly see that I was promoted and my title was changed to accurately describe what I was doing. I'm not asking for a pay raise. Just the title change. But these folks don't sound as though they will bend even a little bit, and don't want to give me the title. They want me to sit there and lie to both myself and the rest of the world and call myself a Developer, but just sit there and do all the _bitch_work_. This ain't happening. I'm either going to quit, I'm going to get my title changed, or they're going to let me write code like a developer should be doing.
Any thoughts on how I could somehow make these evil corporate fucktards bend to my will?
>bend to my will
calm down there machiavelli
>>52150011
or you could, you know, get another job you cuck
Violence usually gets you what you want OP
Or quit
>>52150097
I am calm. I'm planning my arguments. There's going to be a sit down chit-chat with management after new years where I'm going to state my case and pressure them to do ask I ask. Just need tips to presuade these cocksuckers effectively.
>>52150121
Yes, thats an option I'm entertaining if they don't do ask I ask.
>>52150127
I'm not a violent person.
>>52150011
ask Jimmy a Geek.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KQWecTulgI
>work for a fortune 500 company
>don't know how paragraphs work
No wonder they treat you like shit.
>>52150011
I've been working at a pretty mainstream graphics company for almost four years now, not fortune 500, but most of you have probably heard of it. I did pretty interesting research with a team of intelligent guys for the first 2.5 years, and we made a lot of cool prototypes. Anyway, right after I got a promotion to manager I got sent across the country to some smaller corporate office in Florida. I was told I would be assigned new work in about 2 weeks.
That was 11 months ago. New work never came. I'm pretty sure I've been forgotten. I've been coming in late, and going home early for the last month, and wearing jeans and a t-shirt every day. And I spend literally all day browsing 4chan, and taking Coursera courses.
I think some of the guys at this office are catching on to me, but I'm to big to fuck with because I'm technically a manager. I almost never leave my office, and I constantly have the blinds drawn and the door locked. My only purpose in this company seems to be collecting my (really good) paycheck every other week. I don't even know what I'm supposed to be doing here; I don't know who my boss is anymore. I don't even have performance reviews, due to my management status I submit self reviews, and I've been making them vague as shit and no one has caught on.
Anyone else been in this position? Should I start moonlighting or doing freelance work during office hours? I'm pretty sure I could stop coming in all together and no one would fucking care.
>>52150207
The only thing I understood was 'cut the horse crap'
>>52150315
Sure, go ahead and double-dip. I'd do it.
>>52150207
All I could discern was:
>bipperty bipperty bipperty bipperty bipperty
>cut the horsecrap
>bipperty bipperty bipperty bipperty bipperty
>>52150011
>programming
for those too stupid to into real computer science
>>52150396
>science
For those who have no concern about ever getting laid.
>>52150184
>i am calm
you're not calm.
you're a cunt.
Easy
>not in my job description
or
>not my problem
It'd be odd for you to turn around and stop doing it now if you've been doing it for a while though.
>>52150354
>>52150395
He took Toefl and it was "freaking hard"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwW2dXgMUpI
>>52150428
ok bud.
if this guy is my competition >>52150011, i'm sure i have even less concern than you
>>52150428
>holds science in contempt.
brainlet detected.
>>52150315
i am jealous
>>52150011
How about you just be thankful they're paying you to do nothing. There's a million people equally or more qualified than you capable of doing your job.
>>52150315
You might just want to look for other employment before you have a whopping great hole in your resume that you can't explain because you got fired.
>>52150443
Technically it could be argued that this work is in my job description. When they list the job responsibilities, they put one last bulletpoint at the end that effectively says "......and does any other tasks assigned". Techically they could hand me a plunger and ask me to plunge toilets for a year under the title as a "Developer" and I could never argue that it wasn't in the job description.
>>52150698
I'm not able to be thankful unfortunately. I'm not being paid to do nothing. I'm just being paid to do a task that is quite far beneath my true talents and abilities. Frankly, I'm insulted they gave me the work at all. And I think I'm vindicated for feeling a bit upset. I was effectively _tricked_ into doing this work. Thankful? FUCK THAT SHIT. Lets find one of those million other people and give them this job. They can have it.
>>52150743
I won't get fired. I'll either quit or get laid off. If its a layoff, I'll have a valid excuse and just say they're outsourcing the jobs to india (which is true - they really are doing that where i work). And if I quit, it will be for good reasons. Won't be a firing though.
>>52150886
>Technically it could be argued that this work is in my job description. When they list the job responsibilities, they put one last bulletpoint at the end that effectively says "......and does any other tasks assigned". Techically they could hand me a plunger and ask me to plunge toilets for a year under the title as a "Developer" and I could never argue that it wasn't in the job description.
I'm curious as to what the law says about that. I would've thought it would be something like those "terms and conditions", where they can write all the bullshit they want but it doesn't necessarily mean the law will uphold it.
>>52150011
i don't understand what you mean by changing your title. if you can write code, anything other than 'software engineer' on your resume is suspicious. 'analyst' of any kind is just asking to be thrown into the bin.
and if you can write code, just find a new job. programmers are literally the hottest commodity since dutch tulips.
>>52151062
The title is important. According to U.S. department of labor, the number of "Programmer" jobs in the united states is going to decline 8% over the next decade. Meanwhile , the number of "Programmer Analyst" jobs is going to increase by 22%. Plus, the jobs will be more stable, less likely to get outsourced to india, and will pay more money. Its too soon for me to be demanding a raise, but getting the title alone changed is a fair request I think. I'll still be doing the same work, but at least when someone does an employment backgorund check, they'll see a title that accurately reflects what I did while working here. Furthermore, it'll make it easier to apply for "Programmer analyst" job openings in the future because I'll already have experience being one.
>>52150011
My last job:
Official title: IT support services specialist
What I put on my resume: System Administrator
No one checked, ever, you know why? Because I could back up my claims on my resume in the interview
My new job title: senior system administrator.
>>52151166
this nigga gets it
>>52151166
Well, thats your career path then. Its not mine. I keep things honest. I put the correct title and tell the truth about what I did, and I feel that the title should be correct as well. If they can't bend a little and do that, they're basically asking me to lie. Won't be doing that.
>>52151147
>The title is important
Not really
>>52151166
>Because I could back up my claims on my resume in the interview
Mostly this, and the fact that it's more important as to what your duties are. Titles are only important within the company, they mean fuck all outside of it.
>>52151203
Yeah exactly. Even though I had the stupid IT specialist title, I was managing the datacenter, managing the vcenter, deploying linux vms using kickstart, writing scripts, managing unix machines (AIX, HPUX, Solaris), managing exchange, lync, backups, the SAN, even punched down some phone lines.
>>52150315
What the hell
>>52150428
wew lad
>>52151147
ignoring the questionable statistics;
if that did happen, wouldn't the 8% of programmers just become programming analysts anyways? would having 'analyst' in your title actually make you more competitive than a full-fledged programmer? analysis is just a subset of a programmer's job anyways...
>>52150315
Big head?
>>52151559
I don't follow.
>>52150207
I really respect this guy. What he's saying really is true. People need to stop asking stupid bullshit questions and start studying whatever it is they want to pursue.
>>52150315
I have known a lot of managers who do pretty much nothing all day. Ideally this is the job of a manager, you don't get paid to do things, you get paid to make sure everyone else is doing things, and if everyone else is good enough at their jobs you really don't have to watch them. This is how it always is.
>>52150315
Write libre software in your free time at work, anon.
>>52150127
this
you're in the land of the free
just buy a gun with a high ammo cap and show those fuckers who's the analyst
>>52150011
You work at wells fargo right? SF or CIC?
>>52150886
>paid to do a task that us beneath my true talents and abilities
welcome to pretty much every job
get a new job or shut up. Make too much nosie they will get rid of you and get someone else who will just do the job and shut up
Hold them hostage and have them change your title to "Programmer ANALyst"
OP, have you tried sucking a dick?
>>52150315
>Anyone else been in this position?
I was like jr dev at the time, pulling a decent paycheck but not manager level. My job basically ended, the project I was on was run into the ground by business people and there was nothing to do but I was kept on as the sole dev on the project because the couldn't admit defeat. I had a basement office where I could blast music and no one would complain. Spent most of my day between here, HN, and a handful of forums. Started drinking every day starting at like 3. Could never get myself to work on hobby projects for some reason. I'd make games sometimes, cut the bottom out of a cookie tin and taped it to the door to play paper ball basketball. Would try to not touch the ground, just rolling around in my chair, for whole days.
Still not sure how I felt about it, some days I loved it, got paid to do nothing, other days I'd feel really depressed, like I was wasting my life. Pretty lonely too. I'm glad I had the experience I guess but I don't think I'd sign up to do it again.
>>52151229
>managing exchange, lync
God would I hate to be a sysadmin.
>>52150011
>You have to be able to research all the code they have to explain why "event A" and "event B" happened, which led to "event C", and so forth
guess what, 90% of developer jobs in big companies are like this.
my job title is "software engineer" and i rarely do any engineering.
titles don't mean shit. who the fuck cares as long as the money's good.
>>52150207
animal
>>52150011
OP, same thing has happened to me at every Fortune 500 company i've worked at. You either make the best of it or you leave.
I left my last job because I was doing ops work instead of dev work and hated it. My current job was supposed to be feature development, but eventually it became an ops job as well.
Instead of leaving, I decided to grit through and ended up solving one of the biggest technical problems that made ops such a pain in the ass at this company. I got a huge bonus for that and my manager's giving me first pick of what project I want to work on once we transition the ops work over.
>>52150011
That's why I didn't get a degree, and my first full time job paid me $25/hr with an average 44 hour workweek (so some extra OT dough) and I write software, do systems administration, and work on a small team.
Large industries suck.
>>52157379
Ops can be fun! It's not as bad as analysis.
My favorite part about dev is solving problems and seeing real resulsts. Ops can give that too, depending on what you're doing.
I now only do ops for the stuff I dev, and that's only when my coworkers can't figure out how not to be retarded when using my software.
I work on a team of about 20, so there's no bullshit.
>>52151147
>The title is important
This. I've taken jobs with the contingency they change the title.
The title usually comes with the salary line: a department has a salary line for, "server support specialist", but they want a sysadmin. Getting the description and pay grade changed is often easier for them, than getting the title changed. It's not unheard of to get what in all rights is a low level sysadmin job, labeled support specialist, or systems analyst, etc. But sure as hell, good workers either get the title changed, or her a new job with the right title.
>>52151166
>No one checked, ever, you know why? Because I could back up my claims on my resume in the interview
Depends on the culture of the place. And if you don't know what the culture is beforehand, and get caught on it, you have to be damned good at backing it up. Didn't sound like it was a problem for you, but I've seen it happen to other folks.
Nigga just find another job. If you're not shit a programmer cab just walk into a new job easy as fuck.
>>52150127
True Science Facts.
>>52150127
THAT VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE
BUT IN THE END
IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY
