DDR4 RAM is now cheaper than DDR3 RAM in Norway.
Maybe still a little bit pricey for you Americans, but keep in mind that the price includes a 25% VAT.
About 100USD
>>52141984
yeah, but the mobo will still cost a fortune, but it's prolly worth getting.
>>52141984
Whats so great about DDR4?
>>52144916
4 > 3 what are you stupid?
>>52141984
with those timings and that speed, DDR3 is better anyway.
>>52144940
This.
>>52144916
Bandwidth, so it's great for integrated graphics.
Latency takes a hit, so you will need a 2400MHz DDR4 module to match latencies of a 1600MHz DDR3 module.
>>52141984
>25% VAT
hahahahahaha living the socialist dream amirite? :^)
>>52145059
>Latency takes a hit,
Right now G.Skill is selling 3600mhz CL16 and 3200mhz CL14 kits.
These are lower latency that any DDR3 kit while providing way more bandwidth and consuming less power.
>>52145896
More expensive I though I presume?
>>52147009
Slightly, but not too long ago DDR3 prices were the same.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205
$145 for 16GB of 3200mhz DDR4 with flat 14-14-14-14 timings.
Later in 2016 this is going to be dirt fucking cheap.
>>52147133
>Later in 2016 this is going to be dirt fucking cheap.
Well sure, once it becomes standard and I need a new computer I'll upgrade.
There is literally no reason to go for memelake
>>52147133
when AM4 launches the prices will spike up, then drop as production ramps up. Once both red and blue teams have DDR4 on their mainline motherboards, DDR3 will begin to die
>>52147274
The price of DDR4 is going to crash as Samsung lowers prices of all their 20nm chips and brings their TSV chips into mass production. Every other major DRAM manufacturer will follow suit.
The expensive memory will be high capacity, bandwidth and timings will be a given.
>>52141984
Slightly related question
i have two 8gb ddr3 memory cards running single channel, if I get two more will I habe worse performance due to dual channel? Or will it run just as well? Or better? I know I will not be using up the 32gb unless some program gets bloated and I dont reset my computer or the program for a while.
>>52147336
if you're using more than the capacity of 1 module in a single application, dual channel might help slightly. Usually you won't notice that much though.
>>52147385
I ask just because going from 1600 to 2400 2x8gb (I know other figuresmatter I forget the # but it was better), my Arma 3 fps went up, since the game is more cpu dependent. Even though I was never near my RAM limit ever.
So I figure I can still make gains for that game specifically and maybe for obs recording
>>52147440
you might see a tiny performance gain with dual channel, but I don't see it worth the cost. You'd basically have to throw out the current RAM to go multichannel, and buy new sticks.
I don't know if ARMA 3 has limitations with textures loading in, but running it from an SSD might help a little, along with loading times. What's the rest of your system like?
>>52145865
You will too unless you vote for The Donald.
>>52147542
BUILD RAM WALL
>>52147522
My biggest weakness is a 970, I have a 4790k, need to OC it, h100i, I would only need to buy two more of the same card though right? Not a set of 4?? Just making sure to not mix them maybe?
Got an ssd I think its a sandick ultra 256gb, getting kind of full though and I know thats an issue for ssd's
GPU doesn't help arma 3 much, still only 1080p also.
>>52147583
you will get the biggest gains from overclocking the CPU by far, plus it's free.
as for the Ram, yes you only need to buy a pair, though you might find two 2x4 dual channel kits might be cheaper than one 2x8 dual channel kit
>>52144916
Nothing right now. Ddr3 is better. Like how ddr2 was better than 3 when it first came out.
>>52147661
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
>I didn't read the thread either
hahaha
Unless you run a server DDR4 is the biggest sham ever. You basically get more latency, and the extra bandwidth you don't even need. Not at least now, might be different in a few years.
Call me when average DDR4 CAS latency is under 8.
>>52147707
>yet another person who has no idea what hes talking about
>didn't read the thread either
>literally has no single clue what CAS timings actually mean and how latency of DRAM is measured
Hilarious. Really.
>>52147707
actual latency is a ratio of the CAS number and the speed
>>52141984
>paying taxes for RAM
>not just buying something that doesn't brake from ebay or somewhere similar
Scandi-cucks everyone!
>>52141984
>the ddr4 meme
CL11 2400mhz = 9.13ns
CL14 3200mhz = 8.75ns
Protip: You won't find a 2400mhz DDR3 kit with perfectly tight CL11 timings.
You can however find 3200mhz DDR4 with perfectly tight CL14 timings.
>>52144916
CL is 16 so you have to wait 16 seconds in between data access points.
I don't think it's really worth it, tbqh.
>>52151591
CL16 3600memory is remarkably faster than 800mhz CL6 memory.
>>52151591
kill yourself btw
>>52147542
Already planning on it f.am
CANT STUMP
>>52141984
Same in Australia. I'm shocked by how DDR4 prices grounded so quick.
But still, I will resist temptation to replace my Phenom for Skylake. I want to wait for Zen, by then I'm sure we'll have 5,000MHz DDR4 kits.
>>52153181
It could happen. There are already some 4000mhz kits available, and though they're basically halo SKUs, 3000mhz+ kits are already mainstream.
Their prices are going to drop super fast.
>>52153266
>>52153181
I think it's in Intel's best interest to help DDR4 along, because if kits that fast can become mature and mainstream, they'll BTFO a large chink of Nvidia and AMD's lineup.
>>52141984
Buy all the ddr3 memory you still need now, you know how this things go; suddenly nobody will make them and the prices will skyrocket.
how will DDR4 play with an APU? I'm thinking about building an mid tier PC this summer or so, should I use DDR4? will it be mainstream by then? somebody /g/pill me.
>>52153318
APU computers still aren't worth it, just get a cheap CPU like an i3-6100 and a video card to go with it.
Next year though AMD might have HBM on their APU, what a beast that will be. And Intel too.
>>52153318
Only APU that utilizes DDR4 is the upcoming Bristol Ridge available Q2. Its just the desktop variant of Carrizo, still 8CU. Roughly equivalent to the Radeon 7750 albeit with updated arch.
That 7750 has 72GB/s of bandwidth. 2400mhz dual channel RAM would provide 38.4GB/s, and 4000mhz would get you to 64GB/s. Sufficiently fast DDR4 would go a long way to improving performance for Bristol Ridge over Kaveri/Godavari, though the memory bottleneck would still be there.
>>52151660
>>52153532
>>52141984
>not using DDR5
>>52153532
>>52151660
>waiting 16 seconds to access ram
For the last time brah, not worth it.
DDR4 is only worth it if you need 64gb of ram, because it removes the 32gb ddr restriction. Otherwise, that latency is just crazy.
>>52153757
You're too fucking retarded for words.
>>52141984
>LEGG I HANDLEVOGN
>Totalpris
Speaking only German and English, these skandispeaks always make me chuckle.
Little bit OT but this is RAM thread.
Whats with cheap "high density" AMD only RAM than can be bough on ebay? Why is it so cheap?
>>52154176
There is no such thing as AMD only RAM.
The Radeon branded DIMMs are regular DDR3 sourced from vendors like PATRIOT. They just have a different heat spreader on them for marketing.
>>52154217
This for example:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8GB-PC3-12800-DDR3-1600-Mhz-240pin-Desktop-Memory-Fr-AMD-CPU-Chipset-Motherboard-/351339662477?hash=item51cd79cc8d:g:AnsAAOSweW5VNKD-
Buyers Please Notice:
>1. This memory Module is High Density. Only work on motherboards with AMD Socket AM3 and AM3+ CPU Processor chipset. Such as chipset work well.
>2.But DOESN’T work with A55,A75,A85,FM1,FM2 chipset at all.
>3.Not work on All Intel CPU G41 P43 P45 H55 H61 H67 B75 Z77 intel chipset motherboards.
>4.Not work with All DELL,IBM,Apple,HP,Compaq,Gateway,Acer.Lenovo,Emachines,Packbell Computers.
What's the high density ?
Due to unusability and high incompatibility of high density modules with standard PC, they are FAR CHEAPER, usually about half the price when compare with low density modules.So That's why lower price than low density memory module RAM
>>52154280
That seller is just a total retard, and nothing hes saying is accurate.
>>52154291
Found this explanation but I don't know if it's true:
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Why is it cheap ?
Because the IC's used are rejects/failures.
They should be 8 bits wide but half of the IC is faulty.
Why low compatibility ?
Memory controllers expect to address the memory a certain way 8 bits per IC
A lot of boards will only see half the memory, or none at all
128x4 also needs twice as many chips to make up the module as the chips are only half capacity due to faults.
Power consumption is twice as high as low density because of this.
Another reason they have low compatibility.
Also the memory bandwidth takes a hit because of the 4 bit addressing of the IC's.
