>certain combinations of 1's and 0's are illegal
You will never understand the value of money, and the lengths to which we will go to protect our bloodline's wealth, goyim.
your existence might be illegal if you fuck with the elite.
>certain thoughts or ideas are illegal
>certain combinations of atoms are illegal
>certain variations of wavelengths of light are illegal.
Certain combinations of carbon atoms are ilegal
>>52037642
>>52037649
what the fuck are these lame cryptic responses
>>52037621
>my 2d child porn is not child porn because they're just drawings
>>52037657
>Disliking a certain combination of nucleotids is frowned upon
>Bruteforcing a CP pic is legal
>certain movements of atoms cause certain other movements of atoms
Yes when those combinations equal out to being child porn then yes they are and should be illegal OP
>>52037696
they are just silly tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists, goy I mean guy.
just keep drinking your fluoride water and don't question anything, hehehe
>>52037696
It's pretty simple. Corporations want to protect their money, so they lobby and bribe the government to pass asinine laws favoring them, and giving them power to sue ordinary citizens, thus putting those citizens in a lifetime debt, if not lifetime imprisonment, because they copied 1's and 0's that are, supposedly, owned by said corporations.
>>52037731
Why is something that's impossible for all practical purposes illegal?
>>52037696
it's far more meaningful than op
>>52037731
If your noise generator by sheer luck of 1 in a gorillion generates CP you'll still be held accountable.
>>52037731
What does bruteforcing cp mean??
>>52037769
Accountable for what? What crime will have been committed?
>>52037731
Did you know that is so incredibly unlikely that you're far more likely to bruteforce an rsa key than to actually do that. There is negligible information theoretical value in bruteforce generated data.
>>52037657
Thoughts aren't illegal, at least in the US. This isn't Oceania.
>>52037790
Run a number generator (it doesn't have to be random) and interpret the result to be an image.
>>52037790 randomly generating images, which, technically, have some infinitesimally small chance of resembling a CP picture instead of random noise.
>>52037731
certain combinations of memes are illegal
>>52037769
>porn noise generator
What a glorious concept
>>52037810
Being in possession of CP.
>>52037790
>generate random pixels
>full on cmyk values for that high quality printing
>each pixel has 256^4 combinations
>1920x1080 = 2073600 pixels
>256^4^2073600 total combinations of pictures
>somehow get cp on first picture
>get arrested
>>52037821
Hahahahahahahahhahahaha
What if you fed a neural network lots of cp and then got it to generate it's own...?
>>52037965
what if you write a script to order drugs from the darkweb?
you still wrote the script and it did illegal things because you made it do that
it's like claiming you're not responsible for vehicular manslaughter because you put a brick on the gas pedal, aimed it at a crowd and jumped out of the car
>>52037814
Sure, it's unlikely.
But it's entirely possible.
>>52037907
Ah, but let's look at the definition of pornography, shall we?
>Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.
The key phrase here being "intended to stimulate erotic ... feelings." If the image was generated randomly, there was no intent behind its creation. Thus it cannot be classed as pornography, regardless of what it depicts.
>>52038035
>If the image was generated randomly, there was no intent behind its creation.
good luck proving that to a jury
>this man created a program that generates CP
>how did the program know to do that unless he engineered that program to generate images like that?
>man gets locked up for a 50 years
>FBI claims victory on the war agains pedos
>certain combinations of 1s and 0s make me better than someone else
>>52038096
Couldn't you just show the court the code proving it's randomly generated?
>>52038007
It's about as likely as a chocolate cake just popping into existence on your desk. Theoretically possible due to quantum fluctuations, but not something you would ever expect to happen even once in the lifespan of the universe.
>>52038035
>be generating random pixels using three video cards
>fed billions of pictures of porn and kids to neural network
>wait a few years
>plaster the one picture it generated everywhere
>cops can't do shit
Someone do this
>>52038135
>implying they're going to understand all that computer witchcraft shit
it's literal nonsense to them
do you think they put reasonable people on a jury?
When jury people are chosen, they quickly filter out anyone who has any previous knowledge (or strong feelings) toward the subject matter of the case because according to them, it leads to biases.
Really, they'll just filter out anyone familiar with computer code.
>>52038096
>this man created a program that generates CP
This is so stupid that it hurts. You can prove that it doesn't do that by showing exactly what input you've done and also show the source code.
>>52037711
>a couple of atoms interacting with another couple of atoms is wrong according to a bunch of atoms
>>52038188
even if he is cleared of all charges, his reputation will be forever ruined because every time you look up his name it will be accompanied with 50 articles saying "MAN ARRESTED FOR CHILD PORN SOFTWARE".
>>52038007
To do this successfully is equally as probable as randomly generating a Minecraft map and having it build a scale model replica of the Sydney harbor bridge (assuming the game was never programmed to build the Sydney harbor bridge). If you learned about statistics and probability, this outcome would be about 100 standard deviations away from the mean.
>>52038154
Yeah but it's still possible is the point.
>>52038250
minecraft maps aren't truly randomly generated, there's several predefined biome structures and cave formations that get repeated billions of times throught the entire spanse of the map that you have explored thus far.
>>52038250
Minecraft can't do that though because it uses Perlin noise, not genuinely uniform random noise.
>>52038179
How the fuck are juries even a thing in places like America this day and age?
>let's take a bunch or random fucks from the street with no knowledge what so ever of law or qualifications to judge criminals and let them play god with peoples lives
Also. Even with a damn jury wouldn't they bring on a qualified person to judge the defendants claim of the code being non-malicious or something so to then inform the jury and courtroom?
I refuse to believe the judicial system in America that fucked up and inhumane.
>>52038226
I'd ask those people to prove I had any child porn software. That'd be a real laugh given that the courts didn't find it.
>>52038313
That's great.
You're still not getting any calls back in order to prove your innocence.
>>52038035
Prosecution could still get you by saying that there was intent to use the program as a porn generator, since you just so happened to pluck out the one generated image that shows some grade schooler taped to a guard rail being violently raped
>>52038159
This actually sounds surprisingly viable.
I won't say it's a good idea because it isn't, but I bet it would work and it wouldn't even take billions of images.
>>52038226
>sue news-sites for their defaming
>get cash
>don't need no reputation since you are now rich
>>52037621
>certain combinations of chemicals are illegal
>>52038335
wouldn't this be like arresting someone for a drawing?
it's not real, nothing in that image ever happened
is someone guilty of murder because their random image generator generated crime scene pics from crimes that never occured?
>>52038360
who is this cock docker?
>>52038290
The defendant would certainly bring his best expert witnesses to testify what happened.
>>52038345
name a single case when this actually happened and the person was successful
>certain dildos are illegal
>>52038390
I don't know. Google it.
>>52038324
I'm actually getting plenty of calls as now I am a software expert as proven by the courts.
>>52038004
Thats a poor analogy, generating random images is not the same as automatically ordering illegal drugs
>>52038390
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheridan_v_News_Group_Newspapers_Ltd
I like that you guys are arguing the outcome of an event with statistical probability on outrageous orders of magnitude.
>>52038372
>arresting someone for a drawing
This happens. Yes, in America. Your lolicon isn't protected under freeze peach.
>>52038345
Reporters reporting on a criminal trial receive broad protections against defamation as long as they obey certain rules:
- Never assume guilt, always note that defendant is accused of a crime
- Always be precise and thorough in reporting evidence and other court procedures
- Always cover a trial from start to finish, whether that is conviction and sentencing or acquittal
Most jurisdictions value freedom of speech and the openness of the courts over a single man's reputation
>>52038339
It would take a lot more than billions of images, and even if you "randomly obtained cp", keeping it (after realizing it's cp) or sharing it would definitely be illegal
Also, somebody would have to check every image manually to decide whether it's garbage or not (you could use face recognition software, but even then you would have to check alot)
>>52038453
No it doesn't.
>>52038457
"Child porn software" isn't what I would call "Always be precise and thorough in reporting evidence and other court procedures".
>>52038442
Although Sheridan's case was upheld, he was later prosecuted for perjury for lies that he told the court and was subsequently convicted in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan.
>implying anything could be morally wrong when the universe is deterministic
Prove me wrong candy-asses
>>52038415
What? Surely that cant be true
neural network handwriting
http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~graves/handwriting.cgi?text=how+on+earth+is+this+possible%3F&style=&bias=0.15&samples=3
>>52038488
Isn't that what really happened tho?
his software generated cp and he was caught.
how would you name the headline?
"software developer arrested for child porn software" is accurate in that instance
>>52037747
I haven't been drinking water for a month or so. I've been having dreams every night since ~2 weeks.
>>52038372
In this case, a crime is committed because the charge is usually possession or production, both acts that the prosecution has a good case for proving.
Since no one was murdered no crime has been committed and the court will tell the prosecution to fuck off for prosecuting a man completely unconnected with a murder
>>52038442
Libel law in the UK sets the bar ridiculously low and in this case the guy was going up against Murdoch tabloid trash that was never particularly known for its attention to detail or fact
>>52038503
In some states animal penis shaped dildos are illegal.
>>52038159
If you could make a planet made of nothing but hard drives, it'll take a few billion of these hard drive planets and more time than what exists in the universe and more energy than exists in the universe to generate that one picture.
>>52038528
in those states furry porn is also illegal
>>52038528
uh..what states?
>>52038488
In that SPECIFIC instance you might have a case, unless they are directly quoting court documents or the prosecution.
I say might, because I still hold in >>52038335
that the prosecution has a good case for proving that the noise generator was repurposed as a generator of CP.
>>52038513
Does that mean Photoshop is CP Software?
Is Firefox a CP Software?
Is MPV CP Software?
Is Windows a CP Software?
Is "insert camera" CP hardware?
>>52038553
There's a reason Bad Dragon, for instance, can't sell lifelike stuff.
>>52038513
That implies that the software's purpose was to generate child porn.
>how would you name the headline?
Software Developer Arrested After Random Image Generator Produces Child Porn
>>52038568
News aggregates don't give a FUCK. They will lie through their fucking teeth for ratings.
>>52038513
the headline would be
"Software developer arrested for allegedly possessing child porn"
Got me thinking, couldn't illegal downloads/torrents (pirated games, programs...) just be encrypted with a predefined salt, the salt and the name and location of the file would be exchanged beforehand on something like a temporary thread on an unpopular site.
>>52038602
And also be liable for slander. Good job.
>>52038609
this is the most likely case
they might throw a nugget in there or 2 about how the image was obtained via a random generator software, but by this point, people are already angry and hating this man's guts
>>52038566
>I say might, because I still hold in >>52038335
In that case I would agree as well. But I'm just talking if in theory someone just happened to generate it and not actively distribute it.
Actually, That brings me on to another point. In the few countries where computer generated CP is legal. Would a completely realistic generated image not be legal as well?
I can see this becoming a problem as 3D images are becoming more and more lifelike, well, before they finally shut down all forms of computer generated CP.
>>52038528
What about loli tier sex toys from jlist and similar?
>>52038612
Then FBI agents will just pretend to be a trustworthy fellow to get your media from.
>>52038626
Then most people are idiots. I'd certainly make a satire video about those kinds of reactionary morons who react without knowing the facts.
Imagine a cryptolocker virus that, instead of scrambling your files, plants cp all over your hard drive and then threatens to report you to authoities if you don't pay up in 48 hours.
>>52038612
Learn2freenet
>>52038670
it still won't change the fact that the media does not give 2 shits about you or your reputation
>>52038660
i think jlist markets them as novelty stress reliever toys
>>52038653
It'd be legal. It's trivial to prove that it's generated and not a real world photograph.
>>52038677
sounds fun
>>52038677
This exists, I dont know if it actually plants cp on ones hdd but it definately threatens to report you to the authorities
>>52038677
Wouldn't that be pretty easy to get around?
I mean. Just get the cops involved before those 48 hours are up.
>>52038677
Pretty sure these exist, except they just lie about the CP. Why go through the trouble and risk of actually obtaining and distributing CP?
>certain governments and laws are retarded
>>52038580
no god damnit i want to know if i am danger of being raided for my dildos
>>52038720
you're never seeing that computer ever again, even if they do prove to them that you're being extorted
>>52038692
If lying was truly okay for the news media, what's to stop them from simply making things up like "Tony Blair rapes little boys at rock concert"?
>>52038692
Heh, so tiny rubber ass/pussy is ok and its just a novelty item
>>52038713
>>52038724
kek
>>52038677
look up the recent conference paper "Cross-site Framing Attacks" from ACSAC 2015. It's actually pretty trivial to plant this kind of evidence on someone's machine.
>>52038740
You're not. There is no dildo law.
>>52038759
yes, it's literally a joke toy
you're a fucking loser if you're actually shoving your dick in it
>>52038698
I don't think it would be for very long though. At least not if it got kinda "big".
I mean. Most countries would probably convict people for having stuff like hentai loli right now.
>>52038775
you could also sue most people for gross copyright infringement on the grounds that most people have thousands of pirated mp3s on their computers, but it's not going to happen
>>52038748
That seems excessive. I mean, it's not like the police would take your house if you reported a burglary.
Granted they might wipe everything.
>>52038775
>Most countries would probably convict people for having stuff like hentai loli right now.
Very few countries have these laws. It's mostly the developed western countries.
>>52038781
I only save .flac, senpai
>>52038794
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>>52038786
i'm pretty sure property that is used to commit illegal acts is also confiscated by police, like cars used for drug trafficing and grow houses
>>52038761
>accused of stashing a bunch of CP
>you need to pay a small fine: here's a link to our website
The government really has been getting tame when it come to their laws lately.
>>52038761
>illigal
It really pays off to be a native English speaker. One simple misspelling is enough to completely explode the scam.
>>52038820
Not if you could prove it wasn't the owner of the item who committed the crime right?
Like, would the police take your house if a bunch of dudes went into it to cock some meth Breaking Bad style for example?
>>52038864
yeah, basically
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States
>>52038781
As I said. If it actually became a big thing I thing they would act a lot more.
>>52038788
Fair enough. Still not sure how it is in Sweden where I live. Not that I hoard loli-stuff. But it's nice to know where you stand you know.
As far as I know the laws are pretty "generic" and incorporate a lot of stuff as CP. But like a big case where a guy was arrested for having loli mangas were freed in the grounds of "freedom of speech" or some shit. But he was also a bit of a special case since he was a translator and it came with his job, and not just any neckbeard with HDD's filled with images.
>>52038781
This
the ban on hentai loli was passed mostly because such material could be used as (circumstancial) evidence for further investigation and to look politicians good
>>52038899
But that says:
>take assets from persons suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners with wrongdoing.
and
>to get back the seized property, owners must prove it was not involved in criminal activity
I mean. If you can prove you had nothing to do with it. Wouldn't they give you your computer back after a while?
>>52038821
Friend, it is a scam. The government are not going to extort money like this. It's far more lucrative for them to sell drugs and weapons than it is to target random people like this.
>>52038975
let's say the thing police took cost $2000, it's gonna cost you more than $2000 in time and legal fees to sue the state for your shit to be returned to you
>>52038975
In other words prove a negative which is impossible. In the uk they will return the hardware - the harddrive after months (if not years) of investigating.
>>52039008
>>52039033
That's true.
It's pretty scary how weak we as citizens are.
Civil rights really are dead. Whatever happened with innocent until proven guilty?
>>52038290
You're aware that if you can convince just one fuck in the jury that you're innocent you get off free right? A guilty decision has to be unanimous.
>>52039096
jury members know that nobody gets to leave until their decision is unanimous
>>52039096
That still sounds like a really backwards way of doing things.
Wouldn't a jury of judges be a way b
better system? You the the added bonus of a lot pf perspective, and get rid of the error a single judge might cause.
Though I suppose that would cost a fair bit unless you were a really small wealthy country.
>>52037621
>certain combinations of atoms are illegal
>>52039146
That's not true at all. They might keep you a few extra days but eventually they'll close the case.
>>52039157
Judges are more just there to do the sentencing and make sure the lawyers stay in line. A jury of judges would not be a jury "of your peers".
>>52039234
>Judges are more just there to do the sentencing and make sure the lawyers stay in line. A jury of judges would not be a jury "of your peers".
Well. A group of educated, experienced, qualified jury-professionals is what I'm getting at.
>>52039234
>A jury of judges would not be a jury "of your peers".
a jury full of idiots handpicked by the lawyers on both sides is certainly NOT a jury of "your peers".
>>52039300
I think that's the real problem. The lawyers shouldn't be choosing the jury.
>>52037754
>muh corporations!
>the govt dindu nuffen!
>>52038677
>wipe drive
Problem solved?
>>52039394
Sure, if you don't mind losing all your files.
>>52039394
>man charged with destruction of evidence in child porn case
>>52039439
You can't prove there is any case at all. How do you prove destruction of evidence?
>>52039438
>he doesn't have a data backup plan
Currently working on a random porn generator. The resolution is a little low, but it's fine if you use your imagination to fill in the blanks.
>>52039488
the law finds a way!
>>52039488
if they can't get you with the original crime, they'll just get you with obstruction of justice or some other catch-all.
>>52039528
Thanks doc.
>>52039558
And then the case will get thrown out. problem solved.
>>52039579
it's still a massive waste of your time
>>52039528
Not now Doc.
>>52039558
Better obstruction of justice than CP possession.
>>52039528
thank you doctor
>certain prime numbers are illegal
>>52037621
dumb niggerposter
>certain frogs are illegal
>certain combinations of underage boys and elderly men inside a lard lubed up room are illegal
Why even live?
>>52038535
>>52038475
That's why I put the neural network thing in there, niggers. A neural network decides whether or not something is cp (or at least porn), if it is, save it, if not delete it.
>generating random pixels could result in a picture of you in your home, showing everything you are doing RIGHT NOW
so that's how the nsa does it!
>>52040666
Ya but this is one of those things that takes longer than the age of the universe
>>52038221
That's an interisting point
>>52040699
>implying NSA doesn't have quantum supercomputers
>implying NSA can't bruteforce AES-256 in seconds
>lines on paper are illegal
>ink arranged in a certain way on paper is illegal
>>52040716
If they did, they would catch the terrorists using imessage lmao
>>52038518
that's called dehydration, you brain isn't getting enough fluids
>>52038135
>>52038179
>>52038290
>>52039096
>>52039146
>>52039157
>>52039234
And the rest of you
>implying you know how the law works
The defence would submit the code, the state would audit it, a state expert would advise the judge on the content of the code, and the judge would interpret that and decide if there is a case to answer. There's no precedent for this so it would probably get political. This is assuming any western democracy.
>>52040926
What if the code is closed source?
Wouldn't the state be violating the copyright of the software author?
>>52038761
>simple words spelled incorrectly
Can russians not use google?
>>52037731
Inb4 someone makes a CP bruteforcing program
>>52037621
>certain combinations of neurons firing are illegal
>certain colours are illegal
>>52040957
Not if they get a subpoena for the code.
>humans who see other humans are put into a place where they can't see other humans by other humans
>>52041276
>things happen
>>52037621
>IT pros in charge of understanding Law
>>52039528
Arigato sensei
>certain intersections between masses of matter are illegal
>>52037621
>certain positions of a bullet being fired from a gun are illegel
>disagreeing with feminists is illegal
>>52038495
/thread
>>52038495
the thought of no true free will terrifies me tbhfam
>>52042122
Pretty liberating if you ask me. You can just blame all your problems on physics. I'm not a NEET loser because of my poor life choices, but because of causative chains set in motion at the beginning of time.
>>52038623
>giant corporation
>held accountable for shit
top cake :^)
