>I value my privacy
>i value the lives of factory workers
>>51972033
>I have nothing to hide, so why should I care?
>I pay taxes
>>51972033
>Not letting Timmy fuck you up the ass like a good /g/ayman
>>51972033
So someone on 4Chan has released hacked nude photos of celebrities including Jennifer Lawrence, the Olson twins and Mila Kunis.
On the one hand, this is a disgraceful invasion of privacy but, on the other hand...
...well, that hand is busy.
first time i heard this guy talk
coming out of the closet wasn't really necessary with a gay voice like that was it?
>>51972047
It pisses me off the fact that this is the reasoning of the average Joe, and if you try to refute it you just will look like a criminal.
>2015
>having anything to hide
>I'm not a NEET
>privacy is a fundamental human right that people have
>>51972103
EVERYONE has something to hide and if they disagree they should have no problem sharing their phones, laptops, etc. with everyone present.
Although I can kind of see where this stupid mindset is coming from now that most people are sharing every stupid detail about their lives on Twitter/etc. and having all their data mined by Google, Microsoft, and friends.
>>51972127
I seriously can't tell if this is a real slide leak or not
>>51972069
Exactly. Jobs and Cook did us all a favor. They didn't call it the Fappening for nothing.
>>51972140
Then you are severely retarded
>>51972291
it's actually real desu senpai
>>51972033
I have nothing to hide.
>Oh really? Can you give me your browsing history?
That's completely different, in the sense that the government is far more reputable and accountable then the average and most likely malicious stranger on the street. Provided the government does actually spy on you, there have been millions upon millions of undisturbed cases, whereas you have nothing to your name.
>But- but- I've never received an actual, authentic response to my prefabricated message that I spit out like a knee jerk reaction that I've heard reiterated endlessly with no actual opposition on my circle jerk hipster technology forums.
I can see that.
>>51972333
>the government is far more reputable and accountable then the average and most likely malicious stranger on the street
Lol hiw he dodges the corporate taxes question. Good thing their stock is tanking now that jobsy is gonsy.
>>51972359
>I'll just repeat what he said but make it greentext!
>>51972333
nice trips tho
>>51972373
>i'll use the mad men meme image because i believe i'm actually mature and cultured like don draper
>>51972387
what the fuck?
>>51972387
>attack post images
We've reached a new low. Hey, this is the guy from Dumb and Dumber. Mind making a few comments about him and how it apparently devalues my post?
>I don't have locks on the doors in my house
>>51972333
I'm sure Jews before WW2 had nothing to hide.
>Since 1851 Amsterdam had a registry that recorded the following innocent pieces of data about the residents: Name, Date of birth, Address, Marital Status, Parents, Profession, Religion, Previous Addresses and Date of Death if deceased. For many years this system served well and was kept meticulously up to date.
>What we do know is that that little field (religion) caused untold thousands of people to die once the occupiers decided to use it to locate Jewish people.
http://jacquesmattheij.com/if-you-have-nothing-to-hide
>>51972406
>i'm going to keep feigning this position of superiority in the hopes that no one notices my shitposting method collapsing around me
>>51972415
>don't teach me to secure my possessions
>teach people not to steal
>>51972333
>>51972428
>combining a furtive and false equivalency fallacy into one post
Well done, I think you will fit in right at this board called /pol/.
>>51972436
>he has outright resorted to name calling and mental gymnastics
This board is meant for 18 years and older. Please leave. Let me guess, you're going to get on me on how I'M name calling now?
>>51972047
If anyone ever says this shit or any of its variations immediately ask them for their email, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and online banking username and passwords on the fucking spot.
If they wont give them to you then tell them to shut the fuck up.
>>51972459
Predictable; I was awaiting your fallacy fallacy reply.
No argument from you, just bluster because you're a fine upstanding citizen with nothing to hide.
Give me your current phone number, house address and email details please.
>>51972443
>my home is open to anyone on the street needing to take a nice steamy post-taco bell shit
>>51972459
what name calling? are you okay, man? you're talking about things that aren't happening?
>>51972493
He/she is a deluded hypocritical douche. Probably confuses privacy and secrecy therefore cannot reconcile the two.
>>51972047
Is it possible to be so fucking boring that you really DON'T have anything to hide?
>>51972480
You're not the government, you're an anonymous shitposter. If you are the government, then you should already have those details.
>>51972531
No, because then people would want to know your secret of how you can be so fucking boring.
>>51972480
You are not the government. And I regularly give my credentials to the government, down to my social security number and have not had any problems as of yet, as of hundreds of millions of people. I recommend taking a course in basic statistics.
>Le fallacy fallacy reply
Yeah, and I was waiting for that strawman. I didn't say your argument was wrong, I'm saying that trying to make irrelevant connections won't help you. If you find some other argument instead of green texting, name calling or posting "le bait images", you are more than welcome to. I'm open to any mature conversation.
>>51972493
Probably something along the lines of saying that I'm pretending to be matured, superior or cultured. But feel free to make yourself feel good with your circle jerk buddies like >>51972529 with the continued name calling. Maybe even call me mad or upset just to complete the 4chan circle.
>>51972532
He could be the governor of Mississippi for all you know faggot. You have no idea who is working for the government or what their ulterior motives may be, they can just as easily fuck you over as anyone else could and then just quit their job and move to Iceland. The difference is that you willingly let them do it.
>>51972540
Easy. Become a Christian and do what the Lord says.
>We're America. We should have both.
Based Cook.
He sounds like Mr. Mackey
>>51972573
Does that mean I should be stoning bitches in the street?
Doesn't sound to boring senpai.
>>51972570
And this has happened more than zero times? I don't think so.
>>51972562
>projecting this hard
>>51972602
How would you know? Cite a fucking source.
People have their identity stolen at hospitals and government offices all the time. Who the fuck do you think runs those?
>>51972443
top kek
>>51972621
It is impossible to prove a negative.
>>51972634
It wouldn't be if you weren't full of shit.
What you are experiencing is called delusion, just because you want to trust big brother doesn't mean he wont fuck you over if he cares enough to. Deny it all you want fact is it can fucking happen.
>>51972532
please stop abstracting the government into this monolithic and vague singular entity as if it's not comprised of 40,000 unique people of varying moral fiber. here's an example of what happens with some of the information they gather behind closed doors:
>When asked whether he witnessed anything that troubled him while working in surveillance he said: 'You've got young enlisted guys, 18 to 22 years old. They've suddenly been thrust into a position of extraordinary responsibility where they now have access to all of your private records.
>'Now, in the course of their daily work they stumble across something that is completely unrelated to their work in any sort of necessary sense - for example, an intimate nude photo of someone in a sexually compromising situation, but they're extremely attractive.
>'So what they do? They turn around in their chair and show their co-worker -- and their co-worker says "hey, that's great, send that to Bill down the way." And then Bill sends it to George, George sends it to Tom, and sooner or later this person's whole life has been seen by all of these other people.'
>Mr Snowden said he had seen such instances on a number of times, adding: 'These are seen as the fringe benefits of surveillance positions.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2697301/Nude-photos-intercepted-NSA-shared-employees-says-whistleblower-Edward-Snowden.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/edward-snowden-professionals-encrypt-client-communications-nsa-spy
keep naively believing this unimaginable cache of data about every american citizen's life is in altruistic and moral hands.
>>51972562
AND... hypocrite. Massive HYPOCRITE. Hide behind your "b-but, muh government!" shield. Can't you see the comparison to the government having a list of Jews on a census (as innocuous as it was) coming to aid a FUTURE rogue government. Penny dropped yet? Information is open to abuse if a future tyranny takes over.
You, basically, are against article 8 of the human rights act just so you can appear morally virtuous.
> I recommend taking a course in basic statistics.
Yea, been there done that for my masters thx.
>Yeah, and I was waiting for that strawman.
Lol keep going. Why don't you post your info you hypocrite rather than hinding behind your gubmint shield?? Oh wait, you won't since you have "something to hide".
>>51972669
>. Can't you see the comparison to the government having a list of Jews on a census (as innocuous as it was) coming to aid a FUTURE rogue government.
No I don't. That's a slippery slope imaginary situation. It hasn't happened in the 200 years of American history so why should it happen next year?
>>51972110
>>51972333
>Anonymous
>>51972743
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
>>51972663
I don't know about you but the government's had my data since I was born. I don't think they've ever approached me directly for any reason since then.
You're still hiding behind a false equivalency because of a completely obscure, bizarre and random connection.
I don't think I ever said I'm FOR the government spying on you or even against article 8. I'm just saying that the "show me your credentials info" stuff gets really old REALLY fast and starts to become similar to a knee jerk, automated reaction.
As I've reiterated, I wont post my credentials because you are a random stranger with no reputation, along with the other people lurking this thread, in contrast to the government who doesn't disturb your data 99.999% of the time. If you continue to post your isolated false equivalency conspiracy psychobabble and ask for my credentials I'm going to have to stop replying.
>>51972763
They were communists and they deserve to be punished for destroying our freedoms.
>>51972743
>>51972743
>>51972743
>>51972663
>isolated cherry picking incidents in a barrel of billions of cherry's.
Okay kid.
>>51972033
>2015
>PRIVACY
OHOHOHOHO
JUST TRUST THEY'LL ONLY USE IT TO FIND SNACKBARS
>>51972814
keep tossing fallacies you barely understand out there in the hopes that it will validate your trolling
>>51972764
Stop being such a self-centered snowflake. A violation of human rights against anyone is a violation against us all. When yours get violated, it'll be too late to protect them then, won't it?
>>51972773
The government has the power to deny you life liberty and property. If anything, you should trust them less than some random stranger. The stranger can't throw you in jail.
>>51972832
Coming from the ad hominem, straw man guy.
>>51972845
you have recourse against the stranger if they harm you as well, you have no recourse against the government.
>>51972814
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOVEINT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEXINT
>>51972858
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
>>51972842
The point is that it works for me because nothing has happened to me.
>>51972897
Never said your argument was wrong. Just stop using the cherry picking nonsense.
>has nothing to hide
>wears clothes
>>51972845
>The stranger can't throw you in jail.
uh, yeah they can. A stranger with your credentials can fuck you up more than a computer belonging to an organization very interested in protecting its secrecy ever will.
>>51972033
Friendly reminder to never apply for a driver's license or apply to vote because, shit man, they freaking ask for your SSN!!! Christ almighty there is something afoot when wanting to drive a car.
>>51972773
Nope. We have situations where government entities had/have information on citzens.
In the first situation, the information was used by a rogue government to later execute Jews, many years later, I might add. It's a potential for so many areas of abuse.
>I'm just saying that the "show me your credentials info" stuff gets really old REALLY fast and starts to become similar to a knee jerk, automated reaction
You're rationalizing to yourself that is the reason in order to avoid taking up the challenge presented. You claim you are in the nothing to hide camp. When challenged, oh dear! Suddenly you do. Now it becomes, "how do excuse away my lack of willingness to show I have nothing to hide?".
What if I told you I worked in government and that you could trust me? Would that put you at ease?
If not, what about all those people on the Office of Personnel Management database that got hacked? I'm sure they enjoyed getting potentially exposed to some foreign entity while being part of the very government you trust.
>>51972933
I have stuff to hide from malicious strangers. I have nothing to hide from the government. Please leave.
>>51972948
i hope you're comfortable with some random geek reading your text messages and passing your girlfriend's nudes around the office in the name of liberty
>>51972933
>What if I told you I worked in government and that you could trust me? Would that put you at ease?
That's fine. You already have my information. There is no need for me to tell you again.
>>51972971
>implying I have text messages
>implying I have a girlfriend
>implying I don't want more people to share my waifu
>>51972989
>the government has your waifu's nudes and you don't
>>51972916
I wonder if on your voter registration or driver license application it asked you how many sexual partners you've had, at what age you lost your virginity, your dick size, and how many fingers up your ass you like to take, all while under a polygraph, you'd still have "nothing to hide".
>>51972948
>I have nothing to hide from the government.
>>51973032
0
0
2 inches
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>>51973048
you never had partners but you lost your virginity at age 0?
>>51972333
>the government is far more reputable and accountable then the average
Flat out wrong. Besides the fact that we already know that NSA employees were using the data to do such noble things as spy on their families and spouses.
The government isn't pulling employees from some noble and infallible stock of men unknown to you, it's grabbing the very same assholes you go to school and work with. The people shitposting on 4chan and Reddit right now.
>>51973056
0 as in not applicable
>>51972948
I'm not malicious. I won't leave.
>>51973057
>implying the inquisition are fallible apart from the chaos
>>51972948
>the government isnt full of malicious strangers.
Then what the fuck do they need the data for?
How the fuck is knowledge of my porn habits going to contribute to national security?
>>51973057
like imagine the kind of geek that gets into netsec/pentesting/reverse engineering and what kind of places they frequent, they suddenly don't become moral paragons because they were recruited into the NSA. snowden was/is a fucking weeb, he undoubtedly has been on this site, i can't imagine his coworkers are much different.
>>51972972
>That's fine. You already have my information. There is no need for me to tell you again.
That is a cop out. You are a hypocrite hiding behind a shoddy excuse.
This is how easy it is to poke holes in the "nothing to hide crowd" folks.
>>51973131
if you work at the NSA you have access to live drone feeds, which may or may not display the live murders of possibly innocent people. if you can live with having that access, and even indulge in it, i have to severely question your morality. i can't picture the morality of the average NSA analyst being better, or even equal to that of the average 4channer.
>>51972933
You people never really think it through much do you?
The average stranger on the internet with your credentials has a lot to gain from fucking with you, and are interested in different information and ends than an NSA computer system or drone.
Government surveillance wants to identify potential "terrorists" or other threats to their power or goals, a drone who keeps tabs on thousands of people a day will care about your meaningless internet activities about as much as your doctor gives a shit about your ballsack. Even if they did, indiscriminately acting on that information in a way that would harm you would be detrimental to the NSA's mission and secrecy.
>>51972047
Saying that you don't need privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying that you don;t need freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.
-Snowden
>>51973191
>You people never really think it through much do you?
Pot, meet kettle. You seem as if you're still in the infancy stages rationalizing away the potential abuses.
You regurgitate the viewpoint of someone that naively believes in a benevolent protector government; quaint as this is, it is foolish. The only thing governments care for is their own power.
>>51973032
Polygraphs only work if you believe they do.
>>51973131
I don't think you understand what hypocrite means. I'm not arguing that the government should stay away from my information. I'm arguing that the government already has my information so I don't need to tell them again.
>>51973161
I don't think that the NSA have ever doxed any person or rigged an internet poll.
>>51973310
>You seem as if you're still in the infancy stages rationalizing away the potential abuses.
*imaginary abuses
Wake me up when there are real abuses.
TO BE HONEST, ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO
LETS SAY YOUR PUT IN CHARGE OF PROTECTING THE COUNTRY
I'D SPY THE FUCK ON EVERYBODY
U JUST GOTTA TRUST THEY'LL ONLY USE IT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY, BASICALLY STOPPING ANY ALLAH SNACKBARS FROM SNACKBARING INNOCENT PEOPLE
>>51973382
the very clandestine nature of the collection itself is an abuse, along with the wanton undermining of crypto standards and backdooring of enterprise hardware
>>51973348
>I don't think you understand what hypocrite means.
Implicit or explicit, your position is you have nothing to hide. I challenged you to post some personal details which you still have not done, therefore showing you as hypocritical.
>I'm not arguing that the government should stay away from my information.
I know, where did you get that thought from?
>I'm arguing that the government already has my information so I don't need to tell them again.
You hide behind the excuse of the government knows these details so you don't have to post them again; a cop out.
>>51973382
>*imaginary abuses
Wasn't very imaginary for the tens of thousands of Jews that died due to prior data harvested and used by a future rogue government.
>Wake me up
Why bother?
>>51972103
Ask them for all of their passwords and bank account infoz. If they have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear.
>>51973191
>or other threats to their power or goals
Americans have a constitutionally protected right to be that threat
>>51973310
>You regurgitate the viewpoint of someone that naively believes in a benevolent protector government; quaint as this is, it is foolish.
No, I see reality that lies in between. You are the naive one, with a black-and-white worldview based on assumptions, fantasies and edgy rebellion.
>The only thing governments care for is their own power.
The government does care about its people, because it has to, especially in a capitalist society. They want you to be happy because it makes you complacent, it makes you keep them in power, and it helps the bottom line of the corporate entities that run the country with them. And this is the way the US has operated since its foundation.
The 1984-esque stalinism you fantasize about is dead, it's not fucking coming, because anyone with a cursory knowledge of history who can understand context would tell you that it's a shitty way of running a country if you actually want to stay in power for long, not to mention the countries where it has been successful the longest are very, very different places culturally from the United States.
>>51973382
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-surveillance-watchdog-idUSBRE98Q14G20130927
There's some abuse for you, and that's just what they've caught and told us about
>>51973405
>STOPPING ANY ALLAH SNACKBARS FROM SNACKBARING INNOCENT PEOPLE
Yet snackbars continue snackbarring. All the while, we lose more and more fundamental human rights. ISIS is on twitter ffs, but now they want to go after encryption? Gimmie a fucking break.
>wake up sheeple
I don't get this thread? What happened? Link?
>>51973436
>You hide behind the excuse of the government knows these details so you don't have to post them again; a cop out.
1. You are not the government
2. Even if you are, you should have my information
3. Why should I tell you again that my name is Jack if you already know that my name is Jack? Why should I tell you again that I live in Oakville if you already know that I live in Oakville? What purpose does this server?
>>51973564
Yeah, and these are motivated, non-sanctioned abuses, not the indiscriminate ones you claim will happen.
>>51973564
Why should I care about lovers? How does that affect me?
>>51972465
>implying your morbid obesity and aspies allows you to go outside, let alone talk to people in an acceptable way
You're point is also really fucking stupid, by the way.
>>51973553
>No, I see reality that lies in between.
I could claim the same - but it doesn't make it so.
>You are the naive one, with a black-and-white worldview based on assumptions, fantasies and edgy rebellion.
Which are? Do explain.
>The government does care about its people, because it has to, especially in a capitalist society.
I'd imagine any government "cares" just the minimum amount in order to keep the tax rolling in.
>The 1984-esque stalinism you fantasize about is dead, it's not fucking coming, because anyone with a cursory knowledge of history who can understand context would tell you that it's a shitty way of running a country if you actually want to stay in power for long, not to mention the countries where it has been successful the longest are very, very different places culturally from the United States.
Losing your cool bro? This is the most nonsensical, irrelevant run-on sentence in this thread.
>>51973589
Because reasons asshole.
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>>51973669
>I could claim the same - but it doesn't make it so.
Neither do your claims of "potential" abuses.
>Which are? Do explain.
The average NSA thread on /g/ is full of your type; mindless cynical STEM kiddos who think they know everything about the "true motives" of the government because they read some popular anti-stalinist propaganda novels and watched some cyberpunk movies.
The government doesn't give a fuck about you as an individual, but as a whole they want to see you fed, happy, complacent, and spending. They aren't going to mindlessly abuse surveillance data, because they know it will get them nowhere. They're not interested in dumping your nudes on some secret dark web database or siphoning whatever paltry amount of money lies in your bank account, they aren't interested in fucking you over because when they do that gives you a reason to stand against them.
>Losing your cool bro? This is the most nonsensical, irrelevant run-on sentence in this thread.
>U mad bro????
Did you get lost here on your way to Reddit?
>>51973597
How much does being a shill pay?
>I, for one, have nothing to hide and welcome our meme overlords
>>51973943
>memes will make me right!
>>51973819
>better ways to find Movies, TV, and Music
What a joke. Piracy is the best way to find content, hands down.
They mean LEGAL ways, not better ones.
>>51973974
It's not a meme, it's a complaint.
You are deliberately misrepresenting the questions/argument to make yourself appear correct and you know it.
This is shill tactic #1
>>51973943
$10/h
>>51973820
>No, I see reality that lies in between
You assert you see the reality that lies in between, whatever that means. I could claim I also see the reality that lies in between.
You then get to:
>Neither do your claims of "potential" abuses.
Neither what do my claims of potential abuses? I am not asserting there *will* be guaranteed abuses of the same status as that which lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of Jews, for example. The key word here is *potential* - potential for abuse of the data.
>The average NSA thread on /g/ is full of your type; mindless cynical STEM kiddos who think they know everything about the "true motives" of the government because they read some popular anti-stalinist propaganda novels and watched some cyberpunk movies.
You make baseless assumptions because that's all you have.
>The government doesn't give a fuck about you as an individual <SNIP>
I agree actually unless they have reason to go after you. What if, say, you did something in the past that was legal but was made illegal in the future? Also, suppose then, you wanted to become more involved in politics; would you feel comfortable or anxious knowing that there is potential for blackmail or coercion due to everything being harvested?
>>51974113
>What if, say, you did something in the past that was legal but was made illegal in the future?
Why should I get punished for something that wasn't a crime?
>>51974163
Take your dildo collection, for example. The NSA knows you have a varied collection, different lengths, colors and so on. In future, President Trump outlaws all dildos. Now, your door is gonna be potentially busted down by the FEDs!
Wew
>>51974208
So it gets busted down and they find nothing given the fact that it is now illegal to own dragon dildos.
>>51973819
>not on https
>pirate sites are now more secure
>>51972136
I am comfortable sharing my phone / laptop with anyone. I actually have nothing to hide. I can even show my grandmother the contents of my hard drive. Stop watching kiddie porn, anon.
>>51974227
B-but anon, you're gonna be inconvenienced by the feds busting your door in. Your family humiliated due to the large collection of phallic appendages being carted out in broad daylight. Your cat will be stepped on by some agents, injuring the poor beast and causing massive vet bills.
All because you have nothing to hide!
>>51974229
I hate letting someone else use my stuff. My OCD goes fucking haywire if they even move an icon, or the worst - touch my screen. GOD DAMN IT'S NOT A TOUCH SCREEN. REEEEEEEEEE
>>51974275
If I spent my all my NEET money buying dragon dildos, I'm not going to care if my family feels humiliated by them.
>>51974494
god speed anon
>>51972140
you tell me friend : ^ )
>>51972047
I bet you don't lock your door either. Let me see what you own if you have nothing to hide, give me your credit card details and passwords for your online bank.
>>51974549
senpai pls
>>51974113
>You assert you see the reality that lies in between, whatever that means. I could claim I also see the reality that lies in between.
I'm just saying that I don't believe the government is some benevolent entity that wipes our ass for us and gives us unlimited freedom, but I don't believe they're some mindless antagonist of the common man either like most of /g/ seems to. It's simply not in their favor to be so, whether they genuinely care about the people or only their power.
>The key word here is *potential* - potential for abuse of the data.
It's still not good that there's potential for it, don't get me wrong. Most of /g/ seems to hold the "it can happen so it IS happening because the government is evil just because" perspective so I get used to assuming that's what's being communicated. A shit excuse, but whatever.
>You make baseless assumptions because that's all you have.
Shit, I don't know. I see a lot of people throwing around shitty out-of-context 1984/BNW references, comparing the current metadata collection to stalinism, lots of retarded pseudo-intellectual bullshit being thrown out by retards with no background in government or law that reek of the type that think they're the shit for reading a couple wiki articles.
>What if, say, you did something in the past that was legal but was made illegal in the future?
But how do you know this will be enforced retroactively? Why would it? Speculation isn't always good grounds for action, although the concern is valid.
>Also, suppose then, you wanted to become more involved in politics; would you feel comfortable or anxious knowing that there is potential for blackmail or coercion due to everything being harvested?
That has always been a risk with going into politics anywhere, right or wrong. NSA data collection only potentially makes it easier. But at the same time, why do you think the NSA would waste their time on such petty shit that would endanger their mission?
>>51974570
please what family?
>>51974622
what do these things mean
>>51974606
>why do you think the NSA would waste their time on such petty shit that would endanger their mission?
its not so inasmuch that those of us who echo these concerns are worried about the NSA/CYBERCOM/its direct partners will utilize this information for blackmail purposes (even though it very possibly could be a thing OTR) its more malicious actors within these organizations that toy with this information on a day to day basis who by in the past hundreds if not thousands of cases of things such as SEXINT/LOVEINT have occurred.
the other issue that has not been raised as a concern yet in this thread that i have noticed from quickly grazing over it is the subversion and willful destruction of security within modern technologies to make their lives easier. while not protecting us the citizens that they are supposed to be serving and protecting from things such as APT and lower grade threats that could be mitigated better were this not taking place.
>>51974634
i wouldnt worry about it friend.
>>51972333
> the government is far more reputable and accountable then the average and most likely malicious stranger on the street
>accountable
>>51972903
underrated post
>>51972373
Believe it or not, your argumentation is terrible. I'm not sure if you're playing devils advocate to stir up trouble, or are merely misled when it comes to privacy.
Give us your street address. Go on, do it. There are thousands of people who visit this board daily. There are also thousands of people who work for the NSA, pilfering through data to find targets. How can you say you have nothing to hide when you choose not to disclose an address - be it your email, a street address, or even your IP address?
I mean -- truly if you were a person of interest, the powers that be would be just as benevolent as the people on the internet you are arguing with.
>>51973635
You sound like you have something to hide.
Why wont you show us your email anon? Who needs privacy right?
>>51974814
sent ;)
>>51972033
>I'm a good goy
>>51975082
Because you are a random shitposter. You are not a government worker who has pledged to follow the constitution and will get a prison sentence for treason.
>>51975728
except government workers sign nor state no such pledge outside of direct MIL
>>51972459
>furtive fallacy
Wow, I learned something new today. It's a fallacy to question the moral purity of our dear and beloved leaders.
What I don't understand is that in the systematic corruption scandal maelstorm that the past four decades have been, someone has the balls to say we should presume leaders to be pure of heart and soul.
>>51972047
>>51972111
>>51972829
>>51975696
>Charlie Rose: Why didn't you come out earlier?
>Tim Cook: Well, I, honestly, I value my privacy. I'm a very private person.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-apple-tim-cook-charlie-rose/
>>51975728
There goes the
>I have nothing to hide
argument.
If you want to contend in favor of such government programs be prepared to see it acted out in absolutes. You can't pull out the stops on an "internet shitposter" if said shitposter works for the government or your ISP. And that's not to mention accessing data, even improperly, does not amount to "treason".
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/loveint-nsa-letter-discloses-employee-eavesdropping-girlfriends-spouses-f8C11271620
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-12-24/spy-agency-to-release-reports-documenting-surveillance-errors
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2887941/Merry-Christmas-NSA-admits-decade-s-worth-improper-surveillance-Americans-holiday-document-dump.html
That's not to mention your ISP, 4chan, and anyone else who uses your computer could look into your history and do as they wish.
>>51974606
I love it how you don't know your ass from your elbow, yet you spend half your post just throwing ad hominems around.
>I don't believe the government or any other entity would turn our data against us
It's already happening, you fuckwad. If I told you ten years ago that in the very near future, many employers require to you to disclose transcripts of your private conversations with friends and family in order to apply for a job, you would've laughed.
Now, not only is this happening, but what you write on Facebook also affects whether you'll get a visa in the States, and who knows fuck all.
You're like a frog being slowly boiled alive.
>>51976311
That's not the fallacy. Its the fallacy of thinking you can know other's motives. Its not a fallacy to question. Just to act like you know.
>>51972562
Go back to Reddit you stupid fucking liberal
>>51976523
There's no difference between what you and I said. You block any threat model based on the questionability of the motives of those in power by saying it's unreasonable to assume they are not pure of heart and incorruptible.
That preemptively dismisses all data supporting a non-specific instance of the aforementioned model. So either you get along with the program or get called a conspiracy theorist until specific data appears, at which point you'll respond with 20/20 hindsight that
>we half-expected / knew this anyway, this isn't news
I know because this already happened with the NSA scandal.
>>51973067
should be -1 then
>I defend corporate oligarchy and corporate capitalism
>Americans.still.believe in their.goburnment after their government rapes their.human and civil rights every day
how can u be so fucking brainwashed
>>51973191
>He belives that by restricting rights of.civil.people the Goburment can catch terrorists
u fucking idiot. they are stripping away the rights of normal.people to gain more power
corporate fascism
>>51976704
operation earnest voice et al is a hell of a drug.
>>51973382
>Shitting on constitution, himan rights, civil righta isnt abuse
amerikekkkold enjoys being fucked deeo deep in the ass by the governnt
u fat fuccks always post your epic guns in /k and say you riae against tyranny with them yet you dont
fucking cucks
>>51976748
1. some quality english you have there friend
2. until something happens to the status quo that forces things to go tits up you wont have people revolving in the US on a massive scale. once those comforts are yanked out from under those that are armed it will be a bloodbath though.
>>51974163
Go ask the Nazis
>>51975728
Fucking amazing post coming from Amerikek that has no human or civil rights according to his government
>>51976792
Yeh something's happening, the normal people of USofA dont havr human or civil rights. Doesnt stoo terorrists though, isnt that funny? You got strioped of your privacy because some raghrad wants to kill himself. logical bruh huh hahahahahah
btw enjoy the corporate capitalism and fascism
If you don't have privacy
You will have self-censorship
Which leads to no free speech.
>>51975444
fuck off
>>51976637
>"n/a" shouldn't be represented by NULL but by EOF
Why?
>>51972136
because those people know you and will make fun of you and will make you feel like shit you fucking retard, and anyway, do you really think microsoft pays to have people look at all of your shit while laughing at the fact that you watch naruto anime despite being a 27 year old virgin, you self-important prick? boy, I really wish I was as much of a spoiled kid as the rest of you, where data mining would have been a concern important and relevant enough for me to care about it. lel. just shows how much of a group of immature brats you people are.
>>51972088
He's from Alabama, they just talk like that down there.
![1398639718315[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/N5aYWIJ.png "1398639718315[1].png")
>>51975728
>>51972634
>>51973471
>tens of thousands
>meanwhile, not being in a register didn't do anything for the remaining millions who were killed
What was your point again?
>>51973819
This violates copyright law. They are remixing and redistributing the remixed content.
If you value your privacy why are you posting on 4chan
But guys I have nothing to hide. Are you little bitches scared that Donald is gonna take away your Chinese cartoons? Grow up and get a real job, you pathetic tax bludgeons.
Also there is absolutely nothing wrong with Apple's treatment of their Chinese slave workers. It's just capitalism, man. And don't worry, they're totally working on it.
>>51976953
enjoy your subpar mental faculties.
