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JUST
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it is alright, just expensive
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>>51944805
FUCK
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>>51944817
In what form is this trash alright nigger
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>>51944805
>they shrunk the battery too much and this is their solution
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>>51944838
does the job - extends battery life, provides apple logo
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>>51944824
MY
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>>51944859
SHIT
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>>51944846
>tumblr prefix
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>>51944805
>>51944824
>>51944859
>>51944870
INNOVATION
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>>51944870
UP
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>>51944888
SENPAI
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10/10 thread

Why did the Apple fanboy cross the road?
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>>51944902
OUT
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>>51944805
They're building to something. Next year they'll have another hump on the hump, like a pyramid. Then another the next year and so on. Finally: a pile of shit. Sorry, can't shoop
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>>51944933
OF
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>>51944945
WORDS
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>>51944805
it's def fucked but I still like iOS more than any mobile OS
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>>51944956
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What did you want them to do? Wireless power block?
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>>51944902
They have not aged gracefully
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>>51944996
maybe not make it look pregnant
or just make the battery big enough in the first place
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THEY TOOK OUR JOBS
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>>51944988

APPLE INVENTS INFINITE ENERGY

LAGDROIDS AND WANGBLOWS BTFO
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>>51944850
You are indeed a cuck
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How does it work?

Can the phone use the external battery directly?
Or does the external battery charge the internal one - causing losses?
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>they literally made a battery pack so terrible it caused a $20 drop in value of their shares

I'm actually a bit impressed.
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>>51944902
I remember using the round one at the bottom at a friends home.

By hand still hurt just thinking about it.
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>>51945013
i do not even have apple products besides an old ipod touch
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>>51944902
those glass ones with the pills inside look fucking rad desu
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>>51944988
CHINK
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>>51945052
MY
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>>51945069
>t h e f u c k
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>>51945013
The most important part is the apple logo, that is why it costs way more than other battery packs.
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>>51945069
Did anyone make a video yet where someone tries to break the pen off when it's plugged into the iPad?
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>>51944805
wait can someone tell me what this actually is?giigle isn't helpgin
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>>51945134
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>>51945226
just watched that video a minute ago
looks like they made a breaking point at that spot of the pencil, so it wouldn't break the charging port of the iPad, but only the pen instead.
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>make phone really thin because thats what we think people want, even though they want good battery life
>shrink battery to fit in thin phone
>sell $100+ addon battery that looks like total ass to make the phone last as long as it should have in the first place

gg apple
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I think it looks good honestly. It clearly separates the phone from the battery, which maintains the sleekness of the phone. On the other hand a smoother design just makes the phone look fat.
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It literally looks like they glued an older iphone to the back of a newer one and vacuformed some plastic onto it
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>>51944859
This is actually beautiful and truly innovative unlike most of their recent stuff.
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>>51945049
It's plastic.
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>>51945350
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>/g/ always going on about how they don't care about their phones being ultra thin and would rather have a thicker phone with more battery life
>this happens
>/g/ shits all over it

WHY WON'T YOU MAKE UP YOUR MIIIIIND
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The problem with apple now is they ran out of designs to copy and have to innovate their own
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>>51945461
If it was equally thick across the entire device instead of this retardation it would be good. Like, the area not occupied by the battery could literally be hollow just for the sake of giving it a better shape and it would still be better than this.
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>>51945481

> the area not occupied by the battery could literally be hollow just for the sake of giving it a better shape

ARE YOU LITERALLY PUTTING FORM BEFORE FUNCTION

But yeah it looks pretty damn ugly.
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>>51944933
i n n o v a t i o n
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>>51945461
it's not that we can't make up our minds, it's that modern apple can't and we're just laughing at it.

First they went with a thin phone that bent for no structural integrity, had a small battery and a camera built outside the chassis, then they tried to fix the problem with this shit. Apple design is a joke nowadays.

>the mouse with it's recharger port on the bottom
>the pen that charges from the tablet charging port
>this phone
>the macbook with one port, phone hardware and 480p webcam
>the mac pro and the way you're supposed to extend it using a mess of cables and external devices
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>>51944859
it looks like a trashcan or an ashtray
what in the fuck were they thinking
how do you go from pic related to that and think "yeah, that is an improvement"
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>>51945656
Spot the trashcan
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>>51945656
go back to your BullShit general
>>>/bst/
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>>51945762
ITS FUCKING HUGE HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHH
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>>51945839
Shut the fuck up
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>>51945839
It's as big as it needs to be. Size is not the enemy, but waste.
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>>51945864
It's proprietary format means no upgrading, ever.
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They have been getting worse after Jobs an heroed.
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>>51945935
Upgrading hardware isn't particularly important if you buy a machine like this.
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>>51944945
>2015
>companies in the US still hires people based on ethnicity and gender and not by skills
Kek
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>>51945249
iPhone sales are going up each year, the average consumer couldn't care less about battery life
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>>51945984
Most countries in the West does that.
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>>51945017
the second one it's literally a Apple(R) proprietary USB plugged into the base of the phone.
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>mfw iCucks find this revolutionary and elegant
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>>51945243
isn't the pen like $50?
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>>51944805
I know that bulge.
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>>51945249
topkek

/thread
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>>51946084
None of them do, though. We hate this abortion. And the shitty mouse, and the iPad Pro pencildick. They're real-life working products that feel like a parody. They're how people vehemently against all Apple machines see the company, come to life. May as well release the dual-CPU liquid-cooled PowerMac G5 again and let it leak/corrode.
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>>51945949
Kill yourself
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>>51944805

>a design feature is actually a flaw
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Mod you guys realize that all battery cases are ugly and bulky? Apples is at least somewhat nice looking and fits the design ethos of the device.

Apple has been making some weird design choices for sure but you can't honestly tell me anything else comes close to design. No android phone looks or feels as nice as an iPhone. No android tablet looks as good as an iPad. No laptop looks as good as a rMBP. I have a 5X and a 6S and the 5X is aesthetically a joke compared to my iPhone. It's just a big bulky plastic black rectangle. The fucking volume rocker isn't even in a good position
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I might be the only one who likes that design. It's kind of artsy...
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>>51946091
100 shekels
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>>51944805
This is the best phone case I've ever had.
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>>51945492
It really doesn't affect function at all, it still takes up the same amount of room in my pocket.

They should have just made the battery the same length as the phone, would've lasted longer and looked better.
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>>51944805
someone at apple was just playing with autocad
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>>51944945

Notice how they use global figures to skew their female employee tally? I would bet anything that most of those females are Chinese teenagers.
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>>51946962
Nice
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>>51946994

This would have been evident if they had used global figures for Asian hires, so they used US figures.
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>>51946962
I lold
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> Make devices thinner
> Sell a thicker battery case later
I'm still mad they put a fucking 1000mah battery in the iPod Touch 6. I wanted a smart music player, I got an overpriced low capacity iPod. Shit discharges after an hour of playing Angry Birds
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So how do the latest batteries work?
Do I have to let it discharge before charging to prolong the battery life? Or do I just charge whenever to keep the battery at full?
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>>51947046
>owning an ipod touch
>playing Angry Birds
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>>51946557
it's funny because the nice looking, well designed Apple battery case looks just like the aesthetical joke 5X
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>>51946557
>the 5x is aesthetically a joke compared to my iPhone. It's just a big bulky plastic black rectangle.

Whereas the iPhone is a big bulky metal black rectangle.
2/10 made me respond.
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>>51945069
this is a modern art insrallation
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>>51944817
this
there is really nothing wrong with the case and in fact the fact that it works automatically(no switch) is kinda cool. I dont think it really looks any worse than other battery cases, they are all bad looking. The only real problem is the price, but thats typical Apple.
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>>51946557
>No android phone looks or feels as nice as an iPhone
Xperia z5

>No android tablet looks as good as an iPad
Xperia tablet

>No laptop looks as good as a rMBP
Lots of them do. Chrome Pixel looks great, Lenovo's latest Carbon line, and the recent Dell XPSes.
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>caring about aesthetics in a cellphone/smartphone
>heterosexual
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>>51947446

Look up mophie's case. It looks better and has twice the capacity for the exact same price.
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>>51947492

For your viewing pleasure.

I can't think of a single reason why anyone would buy Apple's battery , except for the logo, or if they are a ©uck.
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>>51944850
>provides Apple logo

This is all you ever need to know about Apple and is fanbase.
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looks like they fucked up sims 3 terrain or something
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>>51946557
>No android phone looks or feels as nice as an iPhone.

Once you put the protective cover on all phones look and feel exactly the same.

Until they make unbreakable screens aesthetics are pointless.
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>>51944902
what the actual fuck is the thing in the middle?
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>>51947700

Innovation. Go to bed, grandpa
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>>51944902
The three on the left look like some weird feminine hygiene product.
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>>51945762
>inb4 trashcan companies getting sued
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>>51945656
that G5 case is garbage
pic related was their best case design and that aluminum trash is where they started going wrong
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>>51945049
Look 10/10, but the plastic feels 5/10
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>>51947843
My main complaint about the G5 case was only 2 3.5" bays. They addressed this in the later x86-64 Mac Pros. I have a G4 PowerMac with this hinged design though and it's pretty nice. It would have been better had SATA been available at the time because it's a chore connecting 2 side by side IDE HDDs using 1 cable.
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>>51947976
Speaking of REAL workstation design that shit all over the Mac Trash Can. Is there anything currently available that looks as nice as the Dell Precision Tower 7000? I would really like one of these bastards.
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>>51944859
It looks good in real life and has a crazy silent performance while cooling exceptionally well.
Stop being jelly poorfags.
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>>51947317
>>51947317
There's no hope for people with no taste. The iPhone is way more aesthetically pleasing than the 5X. It's got smooth curved sides and the aluminum feels great in the hand. The way it's cold to the touch in the morning. The buttons are chamfered on the sides and are very tactile and clicky. It's light in the hand.

The 5X is plastic. It's got ugly as speaker grills on the top and bottom. The buttons are all on one side and don't have much tactile feedback. They just mush in. The volume buttons accidentally get triggered because they're in a terrible position. The phone is fucking wide and super tall, making it unwieldy in one hand. The sides are boxy which means it's got edges that dig into your hand when holding it. You can see the split between the front and back pieces of the housing on the bottom when looking at the ports. The speaker sounds like shit and goes so loud it just sounds muddled. The sensor for the auto brightness sucks ass. Mine constantly turns the brightness up or down when laying in bed.

There's nothing premium feeling or looking about the 5X or any Android phone. No surprise considering they're all made for niggers and curries.
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>>51944933
>there's a remote loop, sold separately
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>>51944870
Why do people keep posting this. It comes with an adapter so you can charge using the normal cable..
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>>51945216
they made their phones so thin to cater to children that they can't fit a battery that's acceptable to adults, and so they made an ugly case that uses the wireless charging to connect a second battery
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>>51944859
>>51945762
>>51945859
Now I see why they designed it like a trashcan.
Because how do you trash a trashcan? :D
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>>51947843
>translucent plastic
that design was great at the time, but has not aged well in the slightest.
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>>51945429
>I don't know that iMacs and Mac Pros are completely different things.
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>>51945839
>tiny
fuck my storage up
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>>51946557
>No laptop looks as good as a rMBP.

Lenovo Thinkpad Carbon, Dell XPS, the new Dell Latitudes.
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>>51947976
i dunno, the MDD G4 looks fairly modern
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>>51944805
Still looks better than any Shitdroid phone
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>>51944805
if this was 2009 I would say that everything in that picture is a Chinese knockoff including that phone
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>>51944817
>ugly bulge
>only %80 charge
>$100 price
It only becomes shittier when you consider that there are better alternatives that cost less. It is shit.
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>>51948858
Kill yourself.
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>>51948858
>typical icuck in denial
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>>51946858
fuckin saved
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>>51944824
hon hon hon
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>>51944824
>>51950797
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>>51945226
Pleasantly surprised how well it did, still seems retarded though.
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>>51945069
What the fuck are they doing?
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Steve Jobs would NEVER have allowed these abominations to ship
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>>51944902
i'm imagining the mouse in the middle on life support
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>>51947446
where do i sign up for apple shilling, parjeet?
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>>51946858
>"Johnson! What the fuck are you doing?! We need the new design now and...oh, i see you're finished"
>"Sir, no, this is just a mock up desing for the car and..."
>"Non-sense, its perfect! Lets pitch it to marketing, you know how bitchy they are when it come to thunderbolt right?"
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how do you want your privacy senpai
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>>51947548
you can type out "cuck" again. the filter is gone
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>>51951618
I still miss f4m desu
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>>51951618
cuck
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you guys realize making fun of Apple's design now is the same as making fun of Apple's touchscreen design ~8 years ago as back then it was all about keyboards and flipping right?
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>>51952003
>nice bait
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>>51952003
Are you using Apple's origami pro keyboard?
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>>51952003
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>>51945069
what is the thing connected to the iphone?
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>>51952348
F4M
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>>51951588
>TS//SI//REL
>(S//REL)
>(U)

what the fuck is this picture trying to say
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>>51952535
Page 17-18 https://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/dod/nimaguide.pdf

>There are seven elements to the classification line (Attachment 1):
1. U.S. Classification Markings: The classification is the first entry in the classification line.
The classification must be spelled out and may not be abbreviated in the classification line.
The four classification markings are:
ÿ TOP SECRET
ÿ SECRET
ÿ CONFIDENTIAL
ÿ UNCLASSIFIED
18
Example: SECRET//X1
It is optional to mark UNCLASSIFIED on the top and bottom of documents which are
UNCLASSIFIED and bear no other markings, such as FOUO or PROPIN.
2. Non-U.S. Classification Markings: Used by other countries and international
organizations. The markings must be listed in the registry and be a trigraph country code.
Authorized non-U.S. classification markings are:
ÿ TOP SECRET (TS)
ÿ SECRET (S)
ÿ CONFIDENTIAL (C)
ÿ RESTRICTED (R)
ÿ UNCLASSIFIED (U)
Example: // DEU SECRET//X1
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>>51952721
Lewd.
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>>51952721
PENCIL DICK
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>>51948817
This looks a little different and I am unfamiliar with hard drive layout. It looks like they now stack hard drives, but only appears to fit 2 3.5" drives. Can you fit 1 more drive, under where the heat sink would be location, when closed?
The old way you have 3 3.5" slots laying horizontally on the bottom of the case. This is were you run into issue trying to connect 2 IDE drives with one ribbon. It can be done with long ribbon cables, but it's still an inconvenient stretch.
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>>51944824
But those cases are kinda cute and are fine for most people who aren't clumsy. If you know you're the type of person who drops their phone or can't take care of it its not a good case though.

>>51944805
This is just ugly. Lol. I can't even.
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>>51944805
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>>51946557
>No android phone looks or feels as nice as an iPhone
All HTC phones from the One series look better than iPhones.
At least they don't look like toys in rose-gold colours.
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>>51951618
the fuck happened to all the filters? are they still there?

boxxy
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>>51945656
Worst case ever though.

Enough people have suffered from the poor airflow in the aluminum Mac Pro towers to know what I'l talking about.

Great case otherwise though.

I'm not sure what they're thinking here though, other than LOL now y'all have Thunderbolt for expansion so you don't need PCI ports?

Weird. I think they probably did it this way so they could use laptop components in literally every desktop they make.

PS I'm an Apple fan and user since I was a child. Just have to call them out for their incredible bullshit when I see it though. Still they're a damn sight better than Dell (LOL) or Chinknovo or fucking HP, the worst of all. Or damn near any other computer maker you could mention that is also still in business.

See as an Apple user and fan, I think that I'm in a position to make reasoned criticism of the products, unlike you kids who just think the shape is stupid or whatever other latently homosexual reasons you have.

Blabla muh gaymes.
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>>51945949
>Upgrading hardware isn't particularly important if you buy a machine like this.

As one of those faggot "creative" pros I can tell you that it's quite the opposite actually. One of the reasons people are holding onto those old Macs for dear life was that they had a bunch of expansion slots. I know two other people, one graphic illustrator and one t-shirt shop owner / custom screenprinter who use older Macs because they have a *working* good profitable workflow that they know inside and out.

People love their big older Mac towers. One fella has a couple SHARC DSPs on a card that he uses to accelerate Photoshop.
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>>51946637
I agree, kind of smacks of Frog Design.
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>>51953041
>apple fashion
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>>51946130


why do you keep buying them then
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>>51947195
Here you go anon, this is like the only helpful page on apple's website: https://www.apple.com/batteries/maximizing-performance/

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/is_lithium_ion_the_ideal_battery
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>>51947976


That limitation would be a lot less limiting nowadays with the fuckhuge drives we have now
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>>51952721
My sides
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My iPhone 6 Plus already has such amazing battery life that I don't see the point. It easily lasts 3 days.

Back in the Android days if I ever forgot to plug it in the night before I knew I was fucked. No worrying about a dead phone battery these days.
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>>51944859
What is this?
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>>51945997
Right, because the average normie iphone buyer knows what they want in a phone. They buy iphones because they are iphones and they want to look cool and fashionable.
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>>51954902
When you don't use a phone it generally doesn't lose its charge very quickly.
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>>51954634


While I'm at it when are we gonna get widespread graphene batteries or whatever the new battery tech is? LiIO isn't good enough senpai
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>>51944805

shit is actually effay af tbqh, lunar core af
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>>51955042
>implying Android phones don't drain from looking at them the wrong way
>implying Android phones are more useful than iPhones

0/10
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>>51954902
>amazing battery life
>lasts 3 days

Nigga my phone from the late 1990s would last two *WEEKS* on standby.

Plus it had solitaire and snake.
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>>51955173
Android phones are more useful than iPhones but I will give you that their standby time is generally worse because the apps have more freedom.
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>>51955178


tfw phones don't come with solitarie or snake anymore

tfw all the versions of them on google play are bloated ad fests that want all the permissions

what a mess we made when it all went wrong
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>>51944805
>dat bulge

They should've just made the phone thicker
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>>51955211
They have both on forbid, no ads
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>>51955211
Crap's getting shittier the more it's made in China and India instead of the USA, Germany, and Finland.

I hate it and I refuse to even have a cell phone now. My wife has us keep a burner with no minutes in each car so we can call 911 but that's it.

We're mid-30s and were old enough to remember when the only people who had cell phones were real estate executives like Trump, celebrities, and the President. Even doctors carried mere beepers.

I'm trying to think of some new capability we have now compared to say 20 or even 35 years ago and am struggling. Shit's faster but also bloated to hell and generally engineered to a much lower level of quality.

Compare the Nokia Startac to a modern smartphone - the Startac's smaller, has a much MUCH greater battery life, and is fully engineered.

A modern smartphone just uses whatever component are cheapest and easiest to integrate and if the battery only lasts 2 days, well that's great because everything else is that shitty too these days.
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>>51955318
>being a technophobe
>at only 35
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>>51944805
>>51944870
>>51944902
>>51944888
SHIT

>>51944859
Just expensive
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>>51955338
>technophobe
Make no mistake, I can operate a computer and even a smartphone just fine. I just don't carry a smartphone. Why would I bother? People who know me know how to get ahold of me, or probably know how to find me if they need me. If somebody died they'll still be dead when I get back.

Shit I'm a ham so I have no need for such pleb gear.

Also we live out in the middle of nowhere, and while there's cell service on the paved roads 90% of the time we're in the mountains where they never worked and never will. Radio's the only way to go. Ask one of our Aussie friends about it sometime.
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>>51948124
actually we use these and they are really shitty at cooling when under load... because of the stupid enclosed design

so fuck your bullshit
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>>51945017
Don't about that specifically, but one feature I've heard which is pretty nice is the phone knows when that battery case is plugged in. So it switches off non critical background processes to continue to conserve power With other external batteries, the phone thinks it's plugged into AC and runs background things at full.

>>51946816
An extended battery would block the antenna, forcing the phone to draw more power. And you wouldn't be able to do the one piece design. You'd need a separate cap piece which people will inevitably lose.
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DESU
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>>51955586
Give it back Carmen.
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>>51944933

I thought this was a joke and I went on the Apple site.

>£11 for a remote loop

We're talking something that costs literally pennies to make. That is fucking outrageous.
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>>51955481
>>51955481
>An extended battery would block the antenna, forcing the phone to draw more power. And you wouldn't be able to do the one piece design. You'd need a separate cap piece which people will inevitably lose.

What are you going on about? 3rd parties have had this figured out for years. What about the mophie, which cost the same, looks better, yet somehow has TWICE the capacity.
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>>51944902
11-3 o'clock mice are god tier and will still work 150 years from now.

The rest are shit.
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>>51945022
also the FED caused an overall drop
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ITT people who don't get there is a reason why Apple is a 1 trillion dollar company.
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>>51958706
I honestly don't get it. There's no appeal in the design of this tumor.

That's what it looks like. A tumor.
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>>51948128
>This $350 phone isn't as good as my $800 phone

Are you fucking numb?
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>>51944805
/g/ is always wrong
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>>51960405
Even pro-Apple sites have been proclaiming the iPad Pro as a failure.

/g/ was right.
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>hfw reading this thread
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>>51961762
>hfw reading this thread
his face right now
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>>51944805
Doesn't look that bad IMHO. It still stays thin without looking too bulky. The price on the other side....whoever buys it is an idiot.
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>>51945030

Oh man that fucking mouse. You grab it, not being able to tell the orientation because its a circle, push up and the cursor moves sideways. Every fucking time.
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This was only 3 years ago.
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>>51961942
lagdroids BTFO
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>>51960405
Touchscreens back then REQUIRED a stylus to use.

Meanwhile the stylus on the iPad Pro™ is comparable to a Wacom™ pad - with pressure sensitivity rivaling it.
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>>51961969
>fucking sticking out recharging
>comparable

And it doesn't have buttons either. At least Samshit Note's pen are all well integrated properly literally and metaphorically.
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>>51944805
wait, this is real?
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>>51962033
Yes

Welcome to post-Jobs Apple
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>>51962039
>Welcome to post-Jobs Apple #2
fixed that for you
Also it was the same the first time, only they still had a Jobs to come back and slap their shit
Apple will slowly wither from now on, nobody will be able to save it.
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>>51962061

They only had one Jobs
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Apple loves walled gardens so much they're building some around OSX as well.

Three years ago removing the OSX partition voids your hardware warranty
Two years ago they hid the libraries folder from you
Last year they killed aperture, ruined final cut and released a 1366x768 laptop
This year the GateKeeper(tm) that makes it so you can only install applications from the app store turns itself back on after 30 days
Next year the iPhone 7 and new macbok will only have lighting ports, no 3.5mm headphone jack
Two years from now torrent programs uninstalled for your safety
Three years from now root disabled and bootloader locked
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> you were born too late to explore the world
> you were born to early to explore the stars


> you were born just in time to witness Apple getting cancer and dying
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>>51962101
>>51962061
lol, 50 billion dollars profit quarterly definitely means dying lmao
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>>51962132
Rome didn't collapse in a day
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>>51952721
S-sit on it
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>>51962151
2000 years later and Rome is still being continuously remembered and studied. Apple will easily eclipse other, lesser companies in legends. Can't blame them for not trying however
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>>51962241
> tfw you await the day of the great sacking of Apple when gentoofags storm the gates and rape their women
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>>51961969
No they didn't.
My mother had an LG Prada that was fully functional without a stylus.

You know the Prada right? The phone Apple copied?
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>>51962264
>rape the women
They're fags, they'll rape the men and the apple cucks will enjoy it making it consentual.
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>>51945069
what the fuck is going on in this pic
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>>51946858
>iCar
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>>51946858
>autocad
>Implying that old piece of shit is still relevant
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>>51945013
cuck no longer filtered desu senpai baka
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