>CISA PASSED
>NO MOTHERFUCKING THREAD ABOUT IT
WTF REDDIT
>In a nutshell, CISA was meant to allow companies to share information on cyber attacks — including data from private citizens — with other companies and the Department of Homeland Security. Once DHS had all the pertinent details, they could be passed along to the FBI and NSA for further investigation and, potentially, legal action. The thing is, critics saw the bill as way for government agencies to more easily keep tabs on Americans without their knowledge. CISA was derided by privacy advocates and tech titans alike, with companies like Amazon, Apple, Dropbox, Google, Facebook and Symantec (to name just a few) issued statements against an earlier version of the bill.
>By sticking CISA into such a huge omnibus bill, there's basically no way it won't become law. And if anything, the version of CISA that was quietly slipped into this budget plays with privacy even faster and looser than the original. For one, a previously held prohibition against sharing information with the NSA has been removed, meaning America's best surveillance agency can receive pertinent data without it being handled by Homeland Security first. More importantly, the provision that required personal information to be scrubbed from cybersecurity reports also seems to have gone missing, leaving that task up to the discretion of which ever agency gets their hands on it. While the federal government has been trying to toughen its stance on cybersecurity in the wake of massive hacks on the Office of Personnel Management and Sony, we wound up with an even more effete version of a questionable plan that will soon become law
>>51944356
The United States has been on a downward spiral since 2001. Everyone who gave a damn saw it then. It's over. We lost. Now it's either get out or get fucked - there is no other option.
>>51944369
Can I get in then?
tl;dr
>>51944376
there won't be anything left
>>51944356
I can't see how this can be abused. It's not like the American Government would hack companies so the companies would give them any information they want. And even if they did it's not like they made this bill specifically for this purpose. I doubt the Government wants to know anything about anyone who is a Private American Citizen.
What this means for the average person:
The non-military level law enforcement agencies can now access your ISP records without a warrant.
ISP records typically span back 180 days and contain:
Every website you have connected to.
Everything you have POSTed to those sites.
If you use the HTTPS version of websites, they can only see the domain name.
They can also request your data from any US company, and HTTPS / US based VPNs will be of no use.
What is perhaps even more alarming is not the government access, but the sharing of personal information between private companies.
>>51944396
Your first mistake was assuming that the companies under this bill aren't the ones who wanted this.
>>51944356
Wait until Trump wins, he'll shut down the interwebs with his friend microsoft and so terrorists lose.
>>51944384
CISA is like FEMA, bad Gov't accronyms that lead to Nu-USSR of America.
>>51944405
How much more /s do I need before I don't need the /s?
>>51944417
Your second mistake was assuming I didn't understand your sarcasm.
>>51944419
My faith from this post in humanity was lowered so much that I guess I was thinking the worst in people. Apologies, you win this round.
>>51944356
>muh gaymergate
All my cloud storage is Chinese. I've learned enough Mandarin to manage my Weibo social networking account, my music streaming is free on NetEase, all laid apps are free on my Chinese phone.
Western world can kiss my ass
>>51944439
Gamergate has accomplished more than /g/ ever has and ever could. I find it funny the board /g/ hates the most is better than it.
>>51944456
Have fun getting disappeared and sent to a political prisoner torture camp the moment you criticize the CCP.
>>51944486
gg accomplished something?
>>51944400
I was wondering, why didn't the porn industry stand up against this?
If people become concerned that everyone can check the sites they visit, wouldn't this ruin the porn industry main income?
>>51944499
Why would you criticize it when the CCP is so much better than the west
>>51944504
Blocking on Twitter, I think.
>>51944504
GG has been getting people aware of SJWs in gaming and technology. What has /g/ accomplished? Shilled some outdated meme OS and made a logo, big whoop.
>>51944520
>getting aware
>unquantifiable
doesn't even matter.
SJWs won. end of story.
look at the new star wars movie.
look borderlands: the prequel.
war's over folks. time to stop gaming and move on
>>51944520
It let people know that *gasp* WOMEN EXIST???
Thank you for letting us know that this terror known as, "Our mothers, sisters, and girlfriends," is out there, oh Grand Wizard!
>>51944540
>all women are SJWs
>>51944512
If porn sites even remotely gave a fuck about your privacy they would have implemented HTTPS.
I cant think of a single porn site that supports HTTPS.
>>51944540
european third wave feminism is about equality in regards to other areas of life, such as work, education, etc.
american third wave feminism is about aggresively procuring benefits from exploitation of the societal system.
european feminists want equality and tolerance.
american feminists want benefits and respect.
the whole bikinibridge thing was a prime example.
>>51944547
Oh, what, "based mom?"
>He doesn't know how easy it is to play him
>NO MOTHERFUCKING THREAD ABOUT IT
Why would there be one?
USA is a fucking corporatocracy. It was bound to happen sooner or later.
When corporations have more wealth than a nation,
when corporations create the computers and software your politicians and government officials use,
and when corporations can create private "police/merc" forces, as well as manage your education system (see "Common Core");
then you bet your fucking ass they are going to bribe politicians with that wealth,
blackmail politicians with the spying they can do with the computers and software THEY provided,
and play with the mentality of a nation (education).
Corporations exist for profit and only profit. The End.
Politicians and governments exist in order to bring order and stability to a nation by capitalizing on a consolidation of conflicting ideologies and parties that make up a government.
One is a unified entity driven by one goal with one mean only: Profit through power. And it is always made up of the same individuals.
The other is a divided entity driven by ambiguous goals with constantly conflicting means (ideologies/parites): Stability through consensus (assuming one can be reached) while being influenced by external influences.
Individuals cycle through mandates.
See who prevails over the other and which one has more power.
USA has lost the balance, and most of the government is ruled by corporations.
Meanwhile, both Liberals and Conservatives are sucking up to corporations one way or another.
What better way to prove this than by the fact that people get more jail time and fines for costing a corporations some money (copyright infringement), than they do for raping children and murdering someone.
Might as well just embrace your 1984 future.
>>51944520
Wait, those fags are still whining?
>>51944539
>look borderlands: the prequel
You are aware that these were developed by SJWs, right?
"GG" as a concept has kind of died and was universally described by the same bunch of useful idiots as "movement against women" (when it factually was about ethics in journalism whether or not you find it a laughable matter), but there's a lot more awareness out there. We wouldn't get people being so aggressive before and social justice movements have been infecting other media. Currently those who are against political correctness and social justice groups are pretty active and keep fighting it, just not with a hashtag and not making themselves part of a group (maybe a specific community, there are quite a few).
Now when there's censorship, there's backlash. That didn't really happen before just as often.
>>51944558
A lot of third wave european feminists want the same exact thing: to be nurtured and respected, never held accountable for any of their actions, have it their own personal, favorite, most comfortable way at all times if possible, and whenever they end up achieving happiness, look for something that will get them slightly mad. Banning "manspreading" is also a thing they want here, and I think you forget about the whole "are you beach body ready" thing in UK.
Not to mention Sweden. You don't need to say anything else, just "Sweden".
Besides if we're looking for equality in education, why don't we put more men in there? I'm european and most of my teachers were female, and in the early 90s we were taught by the same kind of women of today. I'm not saying we should put more men, but if you're going to implement quotas and try to achieve this perfect equality, don't just look over to one side.
>>51944356
Most people won't care because they can't feel its effect.
Nothing has changed in terms of people's use of information technology, there are no barriers or hurdles or fees that they have to pay directly.
So even when it gets heavily abused most people won't give a shit
>>51944456
>China is probably the most censored and heavily supervised place in the world
>SO MUCH BETTER THAN FASCIST AMERICA
Jesus, kids these days.
>no thread
what difference does it make? if the americans want cyberfascism they may have their cyberfascism
>>51944356
You were the chosen one to create this thread. Also windows 10 has nothing to do with this trust me I'm Microsoft representative
>>51944512
Nobody's going to say "oh shit, the government and other companies will know what sort of weird fetishes I'm into, better stop fapping!"
>>51944551
Isn't HTTPS really difficult to implement on video hosting websites?
>>51944410
Kek
>>51944356
if im not american, why should i care? will this affect countries outside of the US?
>Implying anyone cares about you downloading shitty camrips.
>>51945998
You shouldn't care, but do know that one of the most successful countries is slowly getting destroyed by corperations.
Simply put no.
>>51946027
But won't it affect me seeing as I use services hosted in the US that store information about users?
>>51946014
>before Snowden
Warrantless mass surveillance of citizens is the stuff of dystopian fiction! The government could never be that corrupt!
>after Snowden
lol it's not like they would wath me anyway lol why are you so paranoid who cares what are you a tinfoil lol
>>51944400
>What is perhaps even more alarming is not the government access, but the sharing of personal information between private companies.
...and thunderous pounding was heard in all the marketing departments around the world.
>>51946043
Oh yeah I forgot about that. Damn Microsoft and apple being US companies most likely have a lot of foreign data thta the NSA wants/has.
Go Linux?
>>51945662
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEXINT
Uh, anon...
>>51944356
If you use TempleOS this is not a problem because there is no networking.
>>51946081
I already use linux, but I'm thinking more about my usage of services such as google and facebook.
Fucking USA.
>>51946089
And?
>>51944437
>le faith in humanity
>you win this round
>>>/reddit/
>>51946140
>have a valid argument against a more-and-more tyrannical government
>happen to be a sexual deviant
>dumb but important masses won't listen if they portrait you as the next child molesting serial rapist with a pony fetish
Of course the guy could ask someone more squeaky and clean to deliver the message, but this shouldn't become a hindrance to have.
>living in yurop
feels good mang
>>51946175
see
>>51946043
basically, it affects us, too
>>51946171
I still don't see how any of this has anything to do with what I said
New internet when?
>>51946225
>Nobody's going to say "oh shit, the government and other companies will know what sort of weird fetishes I'm into, better stop fapping!"
Well, somebody's definitely gonna say it if they are about to become a whistleblower or want to educate the masses about something bad the government is doing, because the government definitely looks at what you fap to and will use it against you.
IT ALL
RETURNS
TO NOTHING
IT ALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN
>>51944356
everyone knows, nobody cares
>>51946248
now
https://blog.neocities.org/its-time-for-the-permanent-web.html
Assuming that if 9/11 wasn't an inside job then the terrorists have accomplished their mission. Why? Just take a look at what happened after 2 (technically 3) buildings fell -- it crushed America's ego and ever since then everything has been spiraling downwards.
The fear, the panic.... the rage building up but nothing is being done about it. SOPA was defeated several years ago and then Edward Snowden came out revealing globally of the truth serum. Even with all this news, information, and social networking to coordinate defenses against the government people have sort of given up.
No one seems to give a shit anymore because the human mind can only take so much cynicism before they lose all hope in trying. The financial system was once the nutrients America needed to sustain growth... but now that it's failed the system is essentially eating its own muscle alive to keep living.... we are that muscle.
America is in a slow collapse and we can only observe it safely from a distance. All empires come to an end... stop trying to hang onto it and go create something new.
>>51944504
embarrassing obese nerds on twitter
>>51944400
>They can also request your data from any US company, and HTTPS / US based VPNs will be of no use.
>US based VPNs will be of no use.
Why? Can someone explain how this works?
>>51944356
>>51944356
lolololol murika
How does it feel to live in the most fucked up country on this planet?
>>51947712
It's a good country to live in if you're obscenely wealthy.
>>51947751
same applies to any 1st world country
>>51944378
We're fucked.
Time to join an Intelligence Agency
>>51946559
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg
>>51944356
This will only hurt normal users. ISIS know how to encrypt their info, this won't hinder the caliphate, but will show the citizens of the decadent west that their own governments is against them. no reason to create a fuss. history works like Allah intended
>>51944499
>Have fun getting disappeared and sent to a political prisoner torture camp the moment you criticize the CCP.
Americe does that much more often these days. America even drone bombs their own citizens without a trial. when was last time china dud that to a chinese citizen living in another country?
>>51944356
Is this the same shit that was SOPA/PIPA? i forgot all about that shit. I remember the black out shit that happened a few years ago.
>>51947665
I'm curious about this too, i wouldn't take it as fact. as far as i know any traffic going over US borders is stored by the NSA, but if its domestic than anonymised it should be fine as long as the VPN company doesn't store data. i could be wrong.
>>51944400
>>51944356
So how does this really change anything at all? Technically it was already legal for government snoops to REQUEST information with no warrant. In fact, that's how they get the vast majority of their info in the first place. They just ring up whoever and say "This is Agent Smith with the FBI" and they get whatever the fuck they want.
>companies sharing your info
Again, technically they could already do this. The companies own the information that you have given them, so they are free to pass it on to whoever they want for whatever reason.
>>51944356
So they just wrote down what they already do?
>>51944369
This.
This dream country has become a meme, a dangerous jew controled nation that will bring about the end of the world.
But I am devoid of fear. Follow me. I shall escape to the everlasting ices of the north, my reign is not yet over. It is up to you to find me.
>>51948043
yes
they can now sue you legally
>>51948043
Pretty much. However if you were to ask most people they would assume this outs illegal somehow. Public opinion Still means something, even if it's very little.
>>51948070
nice reference
i hear we still have 180 days until this goes into effect
CISA, the "Son of Patriot Act", passed the House. No warrants, all data. Don't lobby. Don't vote. Don't whine. Don't plead. ENCRYPT.
>>51948276
>crypto
>easily transactable
>>51948246
Thanks senpai, one of my favourite books. Bless his soul.
>>51948302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zKuoqZLyKg
Watch the first two minutes. What's so hard about doing that? Also have fun doing that in the traditional banking system.
>>51948747
The vast majority of goods and services don't accept cryptocurrencies, thus it is not easily transactable.
>>51948773
>goalposts
>moving them
>>51948276
As soon as quantum computing becomes a reality, crypto based currencies are going to be a joke.
>>51948784
You have a really bizarre definition of "transactable."
![snapshot_12.06_[2014.12.23_23.18.18].png](https://i.imgur.com/iDV09Wo.jpg "snapshot_12.06_[2014.12.23_23.18.18].png")
sage for redddit
>>51944369
Fed up with the ever-increasing encroachment of government into your lives? Militarization of your police? SJW's running rampant blaming straight, white males for every perceived injustice? Mockery of your rights under law concerning innocent until proven guilty (especially on campuses) where it's now guilty full-stop regardless?
Move to back to Europe - let the system implode!
(Conditions may apply)
>>51948891
pol, p-pls
>>51948784
If you want to talk seriously about currencies and cryptocurrencies becoming the mainstay, you need to be willing to recognize and discuss real problems facing them. Even if these hurt your arguments, in the real world they do impact the use of a currency. You can't make a convincing argument if you ignore problems with the idea that in a perfect world where bitcoin is already everywhere such problems don't exist, since we don't live in that world. It's easy to make greentexts about goalposts and other shit, but they aren't going to advance the use of bitcoins, or be considered real arguments in the grand scheme of things. The number of places which allow use of a bitcoins as a currency is a real problem, not a fake one made to annoy you.
>>51947975
>>51947665
Jesus christ. If they know your username (which can be found by your real name using the data collected by Google, Microsoft, Apple etc.) they can go directly to, say, Google and just ask them to hand it over. Google will be forced to comply because, by law, they have no choice.
A VPN will not save you. A VPN only anonymises your network traffic along the way, not at the sender or receiver side.
>>51948992
Chicken and egg is not a real argument though.
Concentrate on something tangible, like how the currency is hilariously unstable.
>>51944378
Cyberpunk Dystopia is finally happening
>>51944504
more politeness in online gaming and e-sports maybe?
>>51944400
None of this really matters if you use a VPN with out of the country servers that doesn't keep logs.
What is CISA and why is it so bad?
>>51949553
>VPN
>doesn't keep logs
Lol. I have yet to hear of a VPN that doesn't suddenly produce some logs after their country's federal investigators start demanding them.
>>51946055
people gotta cope somehow, accepting dystopia as normality is just the easiest and most obvious way
>>51948800
Another uninformed post. Bitcoin is already quantum safe, provided addresses aren't reused, and soon no one will need to:
http://insidebitcoins.com/news/reusable-payment-codes-could-make-blockchain-analysis-companies-obsolete/35899
What's funny is you don't even realize that if QC computers were a thing, Bitcoin would be the least of your worries. You act as if the infraestructures of the state are safe to such attacks (including the 0's and 1's in your bank).
>>51946188
Hopefully the US will at least be obvious enough in its slide into dystopia to serve as a wake up call to the sane parts of the world
>>51949327
But with all the surveillance and none of the cool shit.
>√4060225
>not uploading your encrypted data to your brain
So has any of you actually read the bill that was passed or just regurgitating what you are reading on these link bate sites that don't even link to the bill? While it sucks they way they passed it I don't see what everyone is getting all upset about it really doesn't change anything. Companies always have and will continue to monitor our activities same with the government. What made you think you were protected before this...?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2029/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22%5C%22hr2029%5C%22%22%5D%7D&resultIndex=1#toc-H7809EA2FFB554972A844FC3D6A472EB8
As far as sharing from a Federal Entity:(E) include procedures that require a Federal entity, prior to the sharing of a cyber threat indicator—
(i) to review such cyber threat indicator to assess whether such cyber threat indicator contains any information not directly related to a cybersecurity threat that such Federal entity knows at the time of sharing to be personal information of a specific individual or information that identifies a specific individual and remove such information; or
(ii) to implement and utilize a technical capability configured to remove any information not directly related to a cybersecurity threat that the Federal entity knows at the time of sharing to be personal information of a specific individual or information that identifies a specific individual; and
(F) include procedures for notifying, in a timely manner, any United States person whose personal information is known or determined to have been shared by a Federal entity in violation of this title.
Sharing from a Private Entity:(A) AUTHORIZED ACTIVITIES.—Cyber threat indicators and defensive measures provided to the Federal Government under this title may be disclosed to, retained by, and used by, consistent with otherwise applicable provisions of Federal law, any Federal agency or department, component, officer, employee, or agent of the Federal Government solely for—
(i) a cybersecurity purpose;
(ii) the purpose of identifying—
(I) a cybersecurity threat, including the source of such cybersecurity threat; or
(II) a security vulnerability;
(iii) the purpose of responding to, or otherwise preventing or mitigating, a specific threat of death, a specific threat of serious bodily harm, or a specific threat of serious economic harm, including a terrorist act or a use of a weapon of mass destruction;
(iv) the purpose of responding to, investigating, prosecuting, or otherwise preventing or mitigating, a serious threat to a minor, including sexual exploitation and threats to physical safety; or
(v) the purpose of preventing, investigating, disrupting, or prosecuting an offense arising out of a threat described in clause (iii) or any of the offenses listed in—
(I) sections 1028 through 1030 of title 18, United States Code (relating to fraud and identity theft);
(II) chapter 37 of such title (relating to espionage and censorship); and
(III) chapter 90 of such title (relating to protection of trade secrets).
(B) PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES.—Cyber threat indicators and defensive measures provided to the Federal Government under this title shall not be disclosed to, retained by, or used by any Federal agency or department for any use not permitted under subparagraph (A).
Again how is this different from what is going on right now?
Nobody supported this except for our three-letter agencies and big ISPs. It should be clear by now who really runs this country.
>>51951028
Plenty of people in this thread share your sentiment.
Shit, now Hiro is going to sell my data to the FBI!
>>51951344
>sell
Why would the FBI purchase something they can legally get for free?
>>51949327
What a shame. I never asked for this
>>51949067
>Jesus christ. If they know your username (which can be found by your real name using the data collected by Google, Microsoft, Apple etc.)
What the hell are you talking about and how does this relate to VPNs?
>A VPN only anonymises your network traffic along the way, not at the sender or receiver side.
No one implied anything different. I seriously hate how 4chan has a segment of posters who mindlessly have to be contrarian to every post without critically thinking.
>>51950027
Because soon even my phone will be able to hold more than 320 GB
>>51951384
no u
>>51949640
>Lol. I have yet to hear of a VPN that doesn't suddenly produce some logs after their country's federal investigators start demanding them.
Like which ones?
>>51944356
Well, let's hope TOR can achieve something with their new investments.#
Good luck sifting through terabytes of web flirts with crossdressers and ageplay sluts on the net to get to anything that might be slightly illegal that I said
>>51949790
lol europe is going police state much harder
look at britain, eke kuckistan
>>51944369
its course was set sooner than that...when the federal government could not direct states through regulation, so they directed them through "if you don't comply we won't give you as much money" I want to say just after WW2 but I have to get my details straight
>>51944437
Wow that's amazing I didn't know Reddit had faith!
>>51944356
That's it, I'm out. Russia, HERE WE GO.
I'll give Lord Putin Norris a hug for you /g/
>>51949778
Bitcoin is amazing. Anyone not interested on it should commit suicide.
>>51951475
Spotted the non-yuropean
Cuckistan and the rest of yurop are vastly different and it's more obvious the more east you go
Britbongs have been living a police state for a good while now
>>51944639
Under-rated.
>>51951440
It's an impossible task which is why it's not being pursued. The only active "sifting" that persons will do is in instances where an individual gets singled out by the government, for whatever reason. It will also be simplistic as hell since it's the equivalent of searching through an online database using a program similar to the way google functions.
but the direction the surveillance apparatus is going is pre-crime. That is, an automated system that will target and monitor people based upon meeting character traits. This will ultimately lead to many false positives and "innocent" people being persecuted by the system, and also why the adage "nothing to hide; nothing to fear" is fundamentally wrong, when looked at in context.
>>51951475
Nah some parts like Scandinavia are is still pretty good
https://index.rsf.org/#!/ is a good list of the worlds remaining freedom
>>51951750
>Scandinavia
haha, yeah right. With the muslim hordes descending upon that region, it won't be long until the country longs for fascism and accepts a police state, sold to them under the guise of only targeting the "bad, scary brown people" same way it was sold in the USA and britain.
>>51951741
>impossible
what is deep learning
>>51951882
you missed the second part of my post, famfam
>>51944356
I just don't even care anymore.
>>51944356
That bitch is HOT, anyone got any nudes?
>>51951419
Like all of them. It's all well and good for the VPN company to say that they don't keep logs, but they hire out their servers from third parties. There's absolutely no way for them to regulate whether those third parties keep logs beyond trust. This case, for example:
http://www.wipeyourdata.com/other-data-erasing/no-logs-earthvpn-user-arrested-after-police-finds-logs/
EarthVPN weren't keeping logs, but one of the data centres they used were. And if one was doing so, you can bet there are more. Only an idiot would assume that they're completely safe and anonymous just because they're using a VPN.
>>51951750
Yeah no, that place has too much bias and some texts reek of self importance
Thank goodness the US will be safer now :)
>>51951903
I agree about destination pre-crime, but while training a convnet or whatever to detect criminal behavior will probably take a while, once it gets going data mass will be much less of a problem and combining it with profiling will probably lower the false positive rate enough to make auto-suing a worthwhile source of revenue for the government
>>51944356
I don't care, video games are more important.
AMERICA IS A PIECE OF PISS
A piece
OF
PISS AND SHIT
FUCKERS
>tfw paying more than 60k in taxes every year for this shit
This is a fucking horrible day for muh freedoms...
Canada # 8 with is not bad.... Could be better
>USA and UK btfo.... Enjoy your police states fellas
Is there anything people can do to protect themselves from this?
>>51953000
Move to the moon. Or Gensokyo.
>>51953000
Build an unstoppable robot army
>>51944456
>literaly a social network named "weeaboo"
>>51944540
You speak like a complete faggot, go back to Reddit where these kind of sensationalist strawmen are welcomed
>>51944551
4chan, Reddit, tumblr, and Danbooru do.
>>51944400
>The non-military level law enforcement agencies can now access your ISP records without a warrant.
So basically like the recent shit that got passed in the UK?
>>51944400
>day 1
>xvideos
>day 2
>xvideos
>day 3
>xvideos
and so forth
>>51944356
Thanks ZOG! R
Just in time for Christmas! Pure cohencidence.
>they chose to pull this shit during the big star wars premiere
I'm done, I don't even care anymore tbqh. Fuck the Internet. Fuck Reddit, tumblr, SJWs, everything.
>>51946691
What happens when you visit an archived bank site and the ipfs node steals your shit
>>51949553
VPN can be forced to take logs of user and change agreement without alerting user
>>51944356
>that feel when white male
This shit is concerning and fucking stupid but I don't have to worry because they won't go after me.
>>51948891
Europe is even more cucked
enjoy your muslim enrichment
>>51955900
Actually, our forms of government were constructed during a time when corruption was less rampant, and the rules really haven't changed much since. Therefore, corruption in our politics, although present, is (relatively) magnitudes lower than that of the US.
The reason we have such high migration is the left employ a 'feel good politics' that acts regardless of long term damage. This is especially exemplified by the Blair-era of the UK.
Why the hell does everyone want to watch us.
I don't fucking get it. I'm not that interesting and neither are you.
Fucking shit is unethical, and I'm failing to see how this shit isn't considered unconstitutional. invasion of privacy is invasion of privacy.
It's not a difficult concept.
Why didn't someone sue or something? Why doesn't the supreme court challenge this shit?
>>51946254
So this is how it ends, huh. I always thought the Human Instrumentality would be more flashy than this.
Ohh well, guess this kafkaesque nightmare of 1984 surveillance and thought policing is the next best thing, right?
>>51944356
At this point I just want to vote for Trump just to see how badly we can get the country before the 2nd American Revolution
>>51944356
whos this semen demon
>>51944504
they got so annoying SJWs made a blocklist for them on twitter. it's legitimately pretty good at filtering out vidya manchildren.
>>51956076
Remember this sentiment next time a gun nut rambles about shall not be infringed.
You can piss and moan about the legalese all day, but in the end guns are the only thing that will reverse it.
>>51947921
>when was last time china dud that to a chinese citizen living in another country?
When was the last time
1) A Chinese citizen implicitly gave up his US citizenship by swearing allegiance to a foreign terrorist organization?
2) China was operating a drone bombing operation?
(which is not to say I condone drone bombing, I think it's counterproductive and seen as cowardly)
>>51951058
>>51951096
Do we actually have laws that use the words "cyber" and "cyber security"? What is this retarded bullshit.
Why can't they use terms that mean something, like Internet or "computer network"?
>>51944718
>most of my teachers were female
I'd rather not be a teacher than have some woman that's been having a bad week ruin my life by calling me a pedophile.
>>51956076
>Why the hell does everyone want to watch us.
>I don't fucking get it. I'm not that interesting and neither are you.
Remember when they told you in first grade that knowledge is power? The more information someone has over you, the more power they have over you. Cardinal Richelieu once said "Give me six lines written by the most honest of men, and I will find something in them to have him hanged". If everything you do and say is on the record, anyone who has that record has dirt on you, whenever they may need it. So anyone who they don't like, they can toss in jail, or at least make their lives a Kafkaesque hell. This is in addition to all the ad-company data-mining that's routinely done to sell people shit. Politicians like that too, they just sell you policies instead of overpriced clothes.
You're interesting because you need to control people to have power. To build on what >>51956143 said about the gun-nut crowd, sure the state could just nuke everything and destroy all those mickey-mouse /k/ommando militias. That's not what they want to do though - they want you alive, productive, and living life as normal, just with caveat that you're submitting to whatever it is they want you to do or believe.
>>51956284
I want it to be 1994 again. This is a dystopian nightmare. I didn't sign up for this.
>>51956363
>I want it to be 1994 again.
1994 was extremely shitty compared to today.
You guys really need to wake up and realize that the world is getting better and better. Are personal rights being infringed upon? Sure, but we were already way down that road by '94.
If you want to see freedom, go back to the 1950s. But make sure you aren't black or possibly a communist.
>>51948259
Nope. It's a CYA.
>>51956164
>implicitly gave up citizenship
That isn't how that works anon. The US never made the case that he was ever more than a well-known preacher, something protected by the first amendment.
>>51956109
I doubt a second revolution would do any good. The freedom haters are too numerous. On one side you have the Taliban and on the other side you have the SJWs.
>>51956556
I don't see a good solution to it
>>51956109
You mean the third? The second one didn't work out so well.
>>51951058
>>51951096
Its not, its just the fucking tinhat anti-government pseudo intellectual tekSyndicate fanbase like to spread panic because nobody has the reading comprehension or the attention span required to read anything longer than a tweet. So they just believe whatever garbage they're told in two lines by youtube retards who'll literally say anything if it means getting them a few views.
Kind of fear mongering shitbash of out of context crap like OP likes to spew.
>>51956196
The more vague it is, the broader the potential scope of law is.
>>51956528
>That isn't how that works anon.
Well, yeah, actually, it is.
From the US Dept of State website, here are some ways to lose your US citizenship:
obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon one's own application after the age of 18 (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or its political subdivisions after the age of 18 (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the United States or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
accepting employment with a foreign government after the age of 18 if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. nationality before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. nationality within the United States (The Department of Homeland Security is responsible for implementing this section of the law) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
conviction for an act of treason against the Government of the United States or for attempting to force to overthrow the Government of the United States (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).
(additionally, from my reading when I was getting dual citizenship, voting in a foreign election can jeopardize your citizenship, as can entering the US on your non-US passport)
>The US never made the case that he was ever more than a well-known preacher
Uh. Which one?
Regardless, there seems to be pretty damning evidence on every one of them:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-were-the-4-us-citizens-killed-in-drone-strikes/
>>51956598
I don't know if that image is supposed to be ironic or...
>>51947342
Yeah but as an outsider living in Europe I'm scared because I don't think the empire of the US is going to end peacefully. They also have the biggest military.
>>51947342
>Just take a look at what happened after 2 (technically 3) buildings fell -- it crushed America's ego
Uh. No. That's a snide, lil' babby interpretation.
>>51944356
ITT: Morons realize that if the popo got a warrant they can look through your shit.
No shit sherlock, maybe don't do illegal shit if you like your privacy fagets.
>>51957303
>implying they bother with such inconveniences as the Fourth Amendment
most of the surveillance laws have been blatant attempts to get around that. The government wants to collect everything, do what it wants with it, and never have a judge tell them they can't.
>>51957303
Are you out of touch or something? Everyone bitches about spying precisely because they ignore the 5th amendment and don't bother with things like warrants or due process of law.
>>51957395
>muh retarded paranoia gubment is out to get us.
This isn't spying you fucktard it clearly says that as part of an ongoing investigation they can request your records
Which means they probably have a warrant on your ass before any of this occurs.
Again there's nothing wrong police knocking on the door of suspected criminals just because they're doing it on a computer you shit cunt.
>>51957303
FISA court has some high standards.
>>51957477
>you need high standard of courts to look through suspected criminal shit
Nope, LEAs routinely scans packages they suspect of containing contraband.
Anything you store with 3rd parties is fair game.
If you don't like it stop using 3rd party services on the internet and start your own servers.
>bb....b...b...but I want to use all the free shit on the internet and not get v& for CP!
kek
>>51957532
I don't want to use free shit on the internet.
>>51957571
Stop using the internet then faget.
>>51957449
warrants are a safeguard. What we want to prevent is someone just saying "Oh, it's relevant to an investigation" and then having your entire online life at their fingertips. That's just begging for abuse of power.
Anyway, who defines who's a "suspected criminal"? If it's the police, congratulations, you've just given them a blank check to harass anyone they want, just by asserting that they suspect they're a criminal, which is something we as a society should not permit, even though it will mean some criminals might go free. That's the whole point of this warrant business, along with due process, rules of evidence, the right to remain silent and the prohibition on compelling you to be a witness against yourself. Men with power will naturally try to increase and abuse it for their own ends. We need to give them the minimum amount of power possible, and restrain them in their exercise of it. Having a complete record of someone's life, along with all the machinery of government and law enforcement, is essentially absolute power over someone. This is why they shouldn't have that data in the first place, since it's effectively impossible to prevent them from using it maliciously, if they have it.
>>51957613
Did Obama seriously say that? What a fucking faggot.
>>51957636
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k3NvRNgG64
>>51957613
>Police don't harrass whoever they want like right now
Wow, but if you do it on a computer /g/ goes apeshit!
>being this naive and retarded.
i gave up fighting because every time we 'win' with legislature like this, it just comes back 6 months later with another name. there is no winning. there is only delaying the inevitable police state.
personally i hope that climate change makes the planet completely uninhabitable to humans and that we all die
>>51957663
>personally i hope that climate change makes the planet completely uninhabitable to humans and that we all die
It's won't be completely uninhabitable but the ensuing resource wars could very well do so.
>>51957663
>>51957681
It's okay useless sacks of shit like you will be the first to go seeing as you literally do nothing except bitch on 4chan with righteous indignation while being wastes of space who can't even afford intel processors.
>>51957656
Just because they already do it, doesn't mean we should just accept them doing it and let them do more of it.
In any case the means to stop it are much more clear-cut than they are in the physical world. Deny them data and the means to identify and track people, and you take away their ability to abuse their position.
>>51944718
>Besides if we're looking for equality in education, why don't we put more men in there?
more women = more equality, period.
just like more blacks = more diversity, period.
>>51957698
It's not like you're not coming with us. We wouldn't leave you behind, senpai.
>>51957717
>We shouldn't Accept it!
>Has been going on since the dawn of time
Stop being a sack of shit criminal and you have nothing to fear.
>>51957698
i lobby my local government representatives (who don't care), i give to the EFF and ORG, and devote all the 'ad space' on my semi-popular website towards the EFF, ORG and FSF. i have been doing so for 5 years. i also voted for the only political party in my country who were in favour of digital rights (the far-left hippy party). they were gerrymandered to hell and didn't get shit even though they got quite a significant number of votes.
i hope that the floods and hurricanes swallow you up first, because you sound like a jerk
>>51957746
>2015.9
>not having your own self contained bunker with enough lolicon hentai,porn, mountain dew and cool ranch doritos to last you the rest of your lifetime
>>51957747
But I'm not doing anything wrong.
>>51957655
This video is pretty fucking dumb. I don't agree with Obama here, but he makes a reasonable argument. It's not just a "lol don't worry about government tyranny guys" message. And what Bush said is not at all equivalent even though their presidencies were in fact very similar.
>>51957756
Aww shit sucks. Stop using the internet then faget.
>I hope the floods and hurricanes swallow you up first
Probably not going to happen because you'll probably get v& for being a cyber terrorist first.
>>51957765
Then why the fuck do you care?
>I'm an incredible autist that gives a shit about the gubment looking for criminals.
>They deserve to have their CP caches secure because reasons.
>>51957770
>lol stop using X if you don't agree with Y
What kind of fucking argument is that? I'm not the same guy, but political activism will get you nowhere in America. Your voice will just be drowned out by money no matter what.
>>51957782
It's my right to care.
>>51957770
i wish there were some way to stop 13-year-olds from using 4chan
>>51948354
What book?
>>51957782
>>51951058
>>51951096
tl;dr
>>51957796
>>51957806
>>51957811
>You must be underaged because you think that bitching about privacy in the internet age where people literally post everything about themselves on the internet for advertisers to see, but if the government asks it's a terrible invasion of privacy.
>Muh snowden was right
>being this brainwashed by your 'we are the internet resistance' bullshit
>my sides
>>51957838
I'm glad that you agree that I'm right to care.
>>51944356
You said it yourself, 4chan nowadays is just reddit by another name. Consumer electronics is all that matters here. Fuck off back to imageboards that aren't shit, faggot!
>>51957838
Privacy isn't about secrecy, it's about control. Your privacy is invaded not when information is revealed - because I might want to reveal it, after all. Privacy is invaded when I can't control how my information is revealed and used - to who, when, how, and for what purposes. I can choose whether to be on normiebook. and if I choose to, I can pick what I do and don't post there, who my friends are that can see it, and so on. The government doesn't give you that choice. This isn't to say that there aren't plenty of abuses in the private sector - there certainly are - but the public sector needs to be held to the strictest of standards. Since they, unlike Google, can deprive me of life, liberty, and property.
>>51957853
>you're right to care
You keep telling yourself that while I actually do something productive while you sit and bitch all day about imaginary problems.
>There's not enough freedom in the world!
>Gays and lesbians don't give a shit
>Blacks are literally bresident
>SJWs and tumblrinas can express their opinions openly
>But my freedums are being surpressed!
Eat shit, and keep feeding your mental illness.
REMINDER THAT ONE OF THE NSA's MISSON OBJECTIVES IS TO INFILTRATE AND DISRUPT ONLINE COMMUNITIES and that this guy probably is one >>51957838
>>51944369
TRUMP
WILL
MAKE
AMERICA
GREAT
AGAIN
TRUMP IS THE LAST STAND
VOTE OR COMMIT SUICIDE
>>51957885
>It's about control
>you can't spend a day without electricity or piped water or groceries
>Thinking that you're actually in control of your own destiny when you can't even survive without basic utilities
Kek
>>51957899
>while I actually do something productive
Posting on 4chan isn't productive.
>>51957911
food and water is entirely different than information privacy
if you're going to move goalposts at least try and keep them in the same stadium
>>51957914
It's the holidays though, I was already productive enough this year.
>>51957938
>Information privacy
Stop posting private information on the internet then you stupid faget.
>>51957945
>>Stop posting private information on the internet then you stupid faget.
how about all my information is private by default and you stop asking to snoop in it
>>51957945
>I was already productive enough this year.
Posting on 4chan isn't being productive enough.
>>51957906
>trump
>the individual liberties hating fascist
>the man who is using his massive wealth to buy the election
>the person who is running against Sanders, AKA the only person not whored out to business interests
>the last stand
Trump isn't just working for the reptilians, he IS the reptilians running for office.
>>51957965
>Posting things on a public network
>Must be private
kek
>>51957969
Yeah but I don't do it 24/7 like yourself though anon.
>>51957994
Of course you don't. Normal bodily functions make it impossible to do it 24/7.
>>51958015
that's the only thing stopping you
>>51958025
and you
>>51958033
and yet my quality of life is infinitely better because I don't give a shit whether the goverment is watching me jerk off.
>>51958093
>and yet my quality of life is infinitely better
Posting on 4chan indicates otherwise.
I don't give a fuck anymore honestly, this was gonna happen anyway. Privacy is gone, I hope I'm alive when the revolution comes. There's is literally nothing anybody can do too change how fucked up it has gotten. Fucking normies don't even give a shit about being spied on, your on camera 24/7, the Internet is literally filled with shills, denouncing your comments and making sure your not heard, peaceful riots are shutdown almost immediately. I really don't know what can stop this hell.
>>51958144
A revolution would only result in less freedom as the freedom haters greatly outnumber the freedom lovers. There is no point in a revolution.
>>51958144
ON THE PLUS SIDE ANON
MAYBE SCIENCE WILL MAKE CATGIRLS A REALITY SOON
>>51958144
>I hope I'm alive when the revolution comes.
Me too, Anon, me too.
>>51944356
>CISA was derided by privacy advocates and tech titans alike, with companies like Amazon, Apple, Dropbox, Google, Facebook and Symantec (to name just a few) issued statements against an earlier version of the bill.
>Implying they give a shit
>>51957970
>Sanders, AKA the only person not whored out to business interests
Not in public, yes....
>>51944376
When u all missed this faggts joke. In = getfucks
>>51957970 Sanders doesn't need corporate money. He has a bunch of brain dead college students to give money to him.
>>51944369
You mean ever since you switched to federal notes
>>51944369
dropped your tinfoil hat there bud
>Disney distracts the pleb with spaceopera-pewpew
>plebs fall into a collective hysteria, lose the ability to discern fiction from reality
>the regime passes a major enabling act for complete and thorough surveillance
like pottery
>>51958558
*tips precious metal hat*
M'conomist
>>51944540
Do you even know any women? Most women hate third wave feminism because they *gasp* hate being infantilized.
Whelp, time to move to Sweden
How does anyone think that restricting rights of civils will help government to catch terrorists
Could cisa lead to a crackdown on hackintosh and other exploits?
>>51960571
CISA will lead to the American government literally killing your whole family because you watched a weird video on YouTube once if /pol/ and /g/ are to be believed.
>>51945580
>implying the chinks have data mining technology more advanced than the us
>>51944356
I-is it a skin disease?
>>51957023
this is why europe needs to support russia and not american nato
>>51958220
There may not be a point to a revolution, but they're certainly is a point in revolting.
Think about it. Two hundred years from now, when most of the western world is a dystopian nightmare that makes China look like 1950s America, what will the history books say about today? Will they say how pitiful it was that the great masses just let their freedoms, their very societies, be washed away by the ruling elite?
We are beginning to reach the point where we have very little left to lose. OWS was a sign that there's still cracks in the system that can be blown open. All we need is a big enough bomb. Sure it won't make things better, but it's not like it could make things worse. Would you rather be hated by the powers that be, or ignored? Honest question. I made my choice years ago.
>>51960530
They don't.
>>51946055
>lol it's not like they would wath me anyway lol why are you so paranoid who cares what are you a tinfoil lol
Better yet
>lol it's not like we didn't half-expect this all along, it's not even news
>>51946096
Christianity wins again!
>>51957807
Frankenstein
