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Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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No news.
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/fG23Pm71
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
For those who want to search ThinkPads specs by model type xxxx-xxx
sm.krelay.de/tp/index.php
X1 Carbon reporting in
I have nothing to contribute to this thread, I just wanted to stroke my e-peen by posting about my laptop on a Mongolian kite flying forum
>>51909209
So what if the specs on my machine don't match up with the search result ?
>>51909209
The processors in the x230t are not low voltage. they are the regular i5 mobiles used in the non tablet line
the x41t is also a regular styled thinkpad tablet
>>51909466
My pen broke on my x220t broke today :'(
>>51909525
you should be able to get a replacement for 20 bucks or so
x230 i7/IPS/SSD/classic kbd swap reporting
So far not too bad.
Fn+F8/F9 are the screen brightness controls, I finally figured out tonight.
Hey guys, I need a quick opinion. I am stalking the tech malls und Singapore for a used think pad as of right now.
I found a x230 for the equivalent of 320 dollars. All of them look somewhat worn, this one is the best looking though. Apparently no ips though.
Then I got a x201 from a slightly shadier guy for only 140 dollars.
I don't mind the keyboard. Since the 230 is newer it seems to be the better choice right?
I looked at the wiki and will check the bios lock.. Anything else you guys would recommend to check?
Thanks
>>51909796
>IPS
Easy swap? I've got an IPS coming from ebay for my x230.
Do any of the thinkpads (particularly W) handle three additional monitors?
>>51909828
X230 prices are ripoff af in sg. They're getting lower, but make no sense value-wise.
Buy X220. They're like S$280.
>>51909852
anything with intel hd 4000 should be able to handle 3 displays
>>51909852
I dunno about HD4k but with HD3k and lower, you can only do 2 simultaneous displays if you only have iGPU, 3 displays is only possible with dGPU.
>>51909852
you may need to get an egpu set up
>>51909861
I've been everywhere, can't find one.
So i currently have a Thinkpad T410 which I've been using since january. I like it so much that I'm considering upgrading to a X240.
I'm curious what the actual batter life of these laptops is. My T410 can do a good 3 hours on normal usage with the current battery (bought a brand new battery in march).
I was thinking to sell my tablet and my T410 to make way for a X240.
Can buy a X240 for about 400 - 500 euros (fucking retarded EU prices so no cheap thinkpads here). Should I do it? I barely use my tablet since I got my T410.
>>51909981
Forgot to ask, will my current Crucial MX100 256G SSD fit in a X240?
>>51909904
Carousell is worth looking at.
>>51909828
Singapork here, and you're going to be flat out of luck looking for thinkpads at non gouged prices at tech malls because we only have 2 of them with one famous for being shady and the other focused on consumer shit (and is closing down soon)
Your best bet is prowling gumtree or classifieds and lurking little india which have used tech shops hidden around.
>mfw paid SGD$400 for my non IPS X220
Prices here suck. Kill me
Hmm, I need some advice/opinions.
My options are either an x220 for $280 cad or an x230 for $320 cad. The x220 has an IPS screen and the x230 has a samsung LED screen. An IPS screen for the x230 would cost me around 80-100 bucks so that would bring it up to $400 bucks. Should I invest the extra 120 bucks in the x230 because it's newer or should I just settle with the x220.
Oh also another thing to take into consideration is that I already have a 250gb msata ssd, 1tb hdd, and 16gb ram to spare.
>>51910093
>muh model numbers
we need fucking specs, m8
if the x230 is an i7, get it
>>51909866
>>51909874
Cheers, keeping notes now.
>>51909892
mang thanks so much. this is a solution I've been looking for!
Would getting a W and having a egpu be overkill?
>>51910125
I can just post the adds.
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-laptops/city-of-toronto/lenovo-thinkpad-x220-12-laptop-windows-10-pro/1126291526?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-laptops/city-of-toronto/lenovo-x230-i5-3320m-8gb-ram-no-hdd-extended-battery-warranty/1126082324?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
The x230 doesn't have an i7, but there is an x220t that's selling with an i7 for $350.
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-ipads-tablets/city-of-toronto/lenovo-thinkpad-x220-tablet-core-i7-2-6ghz-8gb-320gb-hd-webcam/1123281201?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
>>51910139
>overkill
you mean giving yourself a wider margin of assurance?
>>51910156
the tablets suck desu senpai
ask yourself this- is a newer cpu generation and 4 more gb of ram worth 40 dollars?
i'm also not sure about /g/'s obsession with swapping screens
>>51910210
I guess you're right.
Do you happen to have a x220? I'm coming from a t520 and I was hoping of switching for the portability.
>>51910245
I have an x230 and x230t
>>51910255
Ah I see. And your opinion on them?
>>51910268
I like them very much, but the tablets have screen glare, are much larger and heavier, and the hinge is strong, but floppy
>>51910280
I just bought an X230 with i5-3330m, IPS screen and will be adding the RAM (8GB) and SSD (Crucial MX100 256) to it.
You think I will experience a big upgrade coming from a T410? Didn't really need a new one myself but my GF needs a new laptop so she's getting my old T410. Only downside on the X230 was a crack in the corner but if it annoys me too much ill just buy a new cover (its on the lid).
>>51910920
I think so.
On my T420s with Botnet 7 the button for muting the speakers does not always work properly (sometimes the light is on when it's muted, sometimes when it's not). Is it a problem with the drivers?
>>51909861
X230 ripoff? You don't know how to look, I find x230's in great condition at the price bracket you say a x220 should go for.
>>51910920
It will be a nice upgrade.
New screen bezels are $15 or so.
>>51912440
I need the back cover, already looked it up and locally it costs 30 euro's for a new one (which isn't too bad for european prices). Might find a cheaper solution though, I've seen second hand screens (so i can sell the rest) going for 40.
>2015
>Not using a GNU/ThinkPad
Looking at buying a lenovo toga pro 3 tablet, I know it's not a thinkpad but it looks cool with the projector and all...was wondering if it is possible to install linux on it and if it still has support for the built in projector? if not can I install windows and have support for the projector?
not a fan of being stuck on andriod, as far as I see their is the non pro varient with windows installed...
Also is their any upgradability prospects present? is it possible to upgrade the ram/ssd to a much better one like it is on chromebooks?
About to cop a t420s with i7-2620m and nvidia 4200m with a 128GB SSD for €325. Gonna get a keyboard for it as well though because this one comes with an AZERTY layout. Should I get this?
>>51909845
It was a -CTO model and I just won the panel lottery. I've done swaps in other models before though, and its not that bad.
>>51909466
Thanks for the info, I have to edit this.
>>51909311
Most likely the machine had been modified from factory.
>>51909981
The battery should last at least 5 hours, X240 has two batteries so you could get a 6 cell or 9 cell for the detachable one.
Dunno about your SSD, I don't know what drives the X240 takes. Most likely 7mm drives.
>>51910920
Going from sandy to ivy is a noticeable difference, so yeah you'll see the performance increase.
Just hope she doesn't get jelly coz the X Series is kawaii.
>>51913960
I don't think it would work out.
fyi Lenovo has non thinkpad yogas, i think they just call all of their tablet models yogas.
>its not a thinkpad
I mean its really not, just like the Y510 crap that gets posted here
>>51909845
Usually they are direct swaps, sometimes you'll get lucky if its the whole lid assembly.
Does anyone have the 6 cell extended battery in the T440s or T450s? How annoying is it to use it in your lap?
Curious, are thinkpads tough like for say a getac laptop or something similar? Never owned one but they look really nice.
This is gonna be a stupid questions, but
has anyone been successful on running a "Hackintosh" on their thinkpad?
If so, how did you do it?
Sorry, concerning OSs I'm a complete retard, I'll admit it.
>>51915061
they pass military specifications
>>51914999
Nice, I already have my SSD and extra RAM ready to go into the X230. Now there's hoping it's not supervisor locked (so i don't have to short the EEPROM).
What are the chances generally of a thinkpad being supervisor locked anyway? My T410 was a blind buy and it had no supervisor. I'm going to take the 230 apart regardless since I always apply new thermal paste and clean out all of the dust (made a huge difference in temps for my T410).
>>51915061
> are thinkpads tough like for say a getac laptop or something similar?
Not even close. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZGPAbsdGQ0
go ahead and try that on a thinkpad
>>51915057
I wouldn't know, but my 9-cell gives me more or less eight hours.
>>51915150
My thinkpad came with a supervisor option, but it hadn't been configured, so I just disabled it.
>>51915280
Ah ok, my T410 had the option as well but not configured.
I'm buying it from a trustworthy buyer with good reviews so I assume it's safe. He even offered me to put in an SSD (which would be impossible with a supervisor locked laptop) so i guess it's oke.
>>51915075
To be honest, its probably best to check the ThinkPad Forum, there is a board, a few guides for specific OSX/ThinkPad and topics about it.
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewforum.php?f=32
>>51915150
You could always ask about it and when checking the bios if it prompts for the password, it would prompt for it.
So long as you don't remove the CMOS battery you should be OK.
When buying from the seller, just ask them if they booted off a CD or USB when they installed the OS, most likely it won't be locked if they did. However if they had to install it on another laptop then swap HDDs, then its probably locked.
>>51915061
No, there aren't rugged versions of ThinkPads, at least not OEM.
There was a story about the 390X surviving a fire and fall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ENQ1dUavI8
I-is it bad to always have your thinkpad in and charging?
>>51915075
I got Snow Leopard running on a T60 and T60p. It was pretty much a nightmare but I learned a lot about OSX, which was my goal. I didn't use it for any appreciable amount of time because I figured out I didn't like the interface.
>>51915717
That'll kill your battery if you don't use Power Manager or tlp to set charge thresholds. Keep it at 80% or below.
>>51915717
It is a good idea to use the battery every now and then.
>>51908851
So I just installed a pic related, 250GB and my old HDD via a caddy into my T420. Everything works perfectly.
Win10 takes less than 10-15 seconds to boot, but its a fresh install so there isn't much to load. And the laptop is quiet as fuck.
Post your Thinkpads.
>>51917455
I have aT420. At work, so I can't post the pic. But
Nice 1440x900 display
mSATA 120GB SSD. No idea what brand, I forgot it already
i5, whatever the midtier one was
No drive in the main caddy
$220 with 9 cell battery
>>51917455
x230
i5
8GB RAM
160GB SSD
TN panel (hopefully upgrading soon or something)
9-cell battery
Dual booting win10 and xubuntu
No pictures sadly, on the phone atm
>>51917455
T420, I7-2620m, 900p, 8gb ram, no dGPU, body is 9.5/10.
I'll probably max out the ram and add a msata ssd at some point.
>>51917455
W500
Some specs presumably.
https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/x260_hmm_en_sp40j72016.pdf
X260 HMM.
VGA port has been dropped for HDMI.
I recently purchased an X220.
Does anyone know if its expresscard slot supports expresscard 2.0? thanks.
>>51918766
>now i gotta buy yet another DP donglel
and only 2 usb ports
>>51918913
>2016
>vga
what kind of poor ass place do you have to visit where the tech is that old
>>51915251
I was thinking about upgrading to broadwell or haswell to get better battery life than my x220 9 cell. eight hours is usually what i get with this though
>>51918913
and only 1 ram slot
>>51919012
i can see you dont have a job
>>51917157
>Win10 takes less than 10-15 seconds to boot
>SSD on a T420
Nigga that's pathetic, Windows 7 takes about 25 seconds on my T410s and bloatbuntu takes about 15-20 on my T400.
Where are all these amazing boot time improvements you were trading in exchange for the botnet?
>>51919022
Be reminded that my battery is at 80%. A new battery should net you 9h hours or so in the x230.
>>51918766
>VGA port has been dropped for HDMI
You can thank Skylake for that.
>>51919108
sorry the place i work at has hdmi in for the projectors along with vga
>>51908851
So I just bought a T23 for 14€.
Did I do good? What now? (Already have a laptop(zenbook))
>>51919198
Skylake doesn't support analog video?
>>51919297
It's been deprecated.
We all knew this was coming for years now, they started with getting rid of LVDS in laptops and moving to superior eDP.
>>51919309
I might need to hold on to my x230 for a fucking long time then, due to my work.
>>51919349
http://www.slashgear.com/vga-dead-by-2015-say-intel-amd-pcdisplay-makers-09118507/
Here's a link to the announcement back in 2010.
"SANTA CLARA, Calif., Dec. 8, 2010 – AMD, Dell, Intel Corporation, Lenovo, Samsung Electronics LCD Business and LG Display today announced intentions to accelerate adoption of scalable and lower power digital interfaces such as DisplayPort and High-Definition Multimedia Interface® (HDMI) into the PC.
Intel and AMD expect that analog display outputs such as Video Graphics Array (VGA) and the low voltage differential signaling technology (LVDS) panel interface would no longer be supported in their product lines by 2015. HDMI has increasingly been included in new PCs for easy connection to consumer electronics devices. DisplayPort is expected to become the single PC digital display output for embedded flat panels, PC monitors and projectors."
>>51919367
They should kill HDMI, not prop it up even more.
DP is great.
>>51917455
T420
Core i5 2520m
8GB RAM
Optimus bs w/ nVidia NVS 4200m
250GB mSATA Samsung 840 EVO
320GB WD Blue 7200RPM drive
TN 1366x768
Win 7 on the SSD + Debian on the HDD. Generally swap linux back to the SSD when I use it for uni.
But I dropped the fucker, and the Ultra bay is no fucked, so the ODD can fly out with a little force.
>>51919426
>DP
I agree, double penetration is awesome.
For real though, Display Port seems slightly better than HDMI. But HDMI is more widespread
>>51919871
>getting cucked during coitus
>awesome
I have a t420 with both the intel and nvidia graphics. I don't believe the nvidia graphics is enabled and I can't find any software for it on the hard drive. Does anyone know where I can find the drivers for this thing?
Just ordered a Latitude 2110 to use as a dedicated text editor, E4200 is too big for my uses. Have I made the right decision?
>>51922003
i hope you got it for less than 80 dollars
i would have gotten a t60
Hey guys. I'm trying to do a dual hard drive configuration on a T420. The screw for the hard drive doesn't want to come off, and tricks like WD40 and etc aren't working.
My SSD and ultrabay have been just sitting here. I need the SSD to be where the hard drive is for this T420 to speed up right?
>>51922883
Dude, did you strip the screw? Take a picture of the thing in good light
>>51921599
Do you have the graphics processor showing in the hardware manager?
>>51923356
I just looked up the term. This is going to be a pain in the ass isn't it..
r8 my thinkpad's specs
>>51923573
gross
>>51923626
>Western Digital
kek
Hitachi master race
>>51919287
Nice, have fun with it
>>51917455
k2000m maxes out most 2013 and below 1080p games @ anon at last thread, fag
>>51923536
Follow up question.
Would changing the boot order be just the same as switching the hdd with the ssd?
>>51923797
no
get a proper sized screwdriver and really cram it in the screw. then you can unscrew it
>>51919151
Dunno about you, but my HDD took over a minute to completely boot. It's an improvement for me. Will post results about other software later when I try them out.
mfw my buddy just bought a w541 for $1500
i tried to tell him sandy bridge is still cool but nooo
>>51923874
>sandy bridge is still cool
>>51923889
well, maybe not temperature wise.
>>51923536
Use a slightly bigger screwdriver than whatever it was you were using. Make sure it fits tight. Push down into the screw, turn it slowly, making sure the screwdriver doesn't spin. If it does, you have stripped it. From the pic, it doesn't look bad.
>>51923642
When it comes to used drives I don't give a shit
>>51923364
Yep, I tried searching for drivers but it came up with nothing
>>51924278
I've got em in my Thinkpad iirc. I'll check on it when I get home and post it to uguu
>>51924304
thank you brave anon
>>51922883
It's best to have the SSD use the SATA 3 port normally used by the HDD for best performance. Put the HDD in the caddy.
>out for delivery
>10:30 am
>signature required
>no one is home
>keep trying to deliver early in the morning
What the fuck FedEx they're literally brain dead
>>51924311
I've got them. 45 minutes to upload to mega because 600MB
>>51924311
Also, sorry I took so long. I got off work and met up with my grandma for dinner. Had a chat with her that went on long.
Feels good to be favorite grandson. She is teaching me real estate
>>51925453
Glad to hear it man, my grandparents are all dead.
>>51925509
Yeah, sorry to hear that. The grandparents that raised me (moms side) died recently. The ones on my dads side are still around, but just barely hanging in there. Gonna miss em...
>>51925538
Hey, we all gotta go sometime
>>51925592
Gonna be completely honest
I'm terrified of death. I honest to God don't want to know what is on the other side. I'm more scared of that than anything else.
Like, nightmares n shit. I don't know why. I know it is irrational. It's mostly the fact that it is unknown and there isn't a way of knowing what is there. But it sucks. I hope that this isn't the only chance at life one is given. Because that sucks.
>>51908851
WHAT THE FUCK.
Hey /g/,
I'm exhausted and pissed from my T420.
It's a piece of shit; I just recently got the laptop.
>great cooling design they said
>quiet they said
>cooler than the elitebooks they said
It all begins when I was looking for a laptop, and I wanted something with discrete graphics for cad and light gaming . /g/ recommended the t420, so found and won an auction on ebay.
$133 -i5 2520m - nvs 4200 -500gb- 1600x900
Decent laptop for a good price.
It seemed fast, especially since of the ssd and 12 gb I upgraded myself. Works perfectly for Web browsing and other media.
However, soon after I noticed some hot air coming out of the vents. Decided to check temps, and I was hitting 80°c just by Web browsing (~30% load). I continued to test and found that that in took a while for it to cool down at idle, which was around 55°. Every bit of load this laptop experiences, the temps shoot up 20° or more. Full load was ridiculous, with it throttling to 800MHz at 97°, and gaming was meh, with throttling at the same temperature but between 1-2GHz
So I thought, hmmm it must be a thermal compound and dust issue. 2 hours later and quarter tube of artic silver 5 gone, compressed air dusting, and microfiber cloth wiping thermal grease, I get better results but still atrocious results. Full load is 97°c at 2.5GHz, and slowly drops to around 2GHz, gaming has similiar temperatures, but frequencies all over the place, from 2 - 3.2ghz, and idle is much improved, idling at 45°-50°, but still shit.
I also bent the GPU heatsink and latch to put more pressure on the gpu, and tightened the screws well.
Also, the heat sink is small and pathetic
Anyways,
These are not good temps. Is their any heatsink mod?
Honestly for the price I will just say fuck it, and let the piece of shit engulf itself in heat.
>thinkpad arrived at home
>still on campus
the suffering
>>51925616
are you me?
>>51925603
I think about that sometimes, but I try to realize it's a waste of time and get back to livin' while I still can. Chin up, lil nigga
>>51925603
>what is on the other side
Nothing. Just like when you go to sleep and not dream.
I'm not scared of what comes after but just that I don't want to screw up my one chance at everything. It really sucks that everything is temporary. I really want to live for centuries and see where we end up.
What's the general consensus on newer thinkpads like t440?
>>51925624
No, you must be me.
>>51925633
Yeah. It's more bedtime freaky kind of thing. Shit you only think about when you go to sleep.
>>51925639
That's what my fear is. Eternal nothing. I'd rather be born again and see where we end up as well.
>>51925653
Surely you jest! It is you who is I!
>>51925606
>>great cooling design they said
>>quiet they said
>>cooler than the elitebooks they said
literally no one says that
>>51925659
Eternal nothing would be something to fear if you could actually experience it. Kinda like being in limbo. But you won't experience it at all.
At 23, I fear death, but I'm sure if I live till 60-70, I'll probably welcome the peace.
>>51925699
Yeah, 22, same thinking. Don't want to die. Just started life, really. It would be awesome to live for centuries and see where humanity goes.
>>51925606
I don't see the issue. Let it run hot. Unless something breaks or you get sterilised, it's not an issue. The heatsink itself isn't too small for integrated use and really it's your fault for not heeding the warnings perpetuated for the last 5 years
>ThinkPad
>gaems
>>51923573
I hope you got it for cheap or free
>>51925639
>>51925659
>>51925699
>>51925726
I just wanted some drivers
>>51925798
76% uploaded, staying up just to post link. 230 AM and gotta be up at 645
>>51925804
why do this for some lonely anon, anon?
>>51925823
Because we're all lonely
>>51925773
>Gaymes
Yes I like to play cs1.6 and older valve games.
Sometimes retro games and doom
Games weren't gay back then, r-right??
Also, I have experienced premature failure in many electronics due to heat. Which Is why I am worried. But like you said, just use it till it breaks, which is what I am going for now.
>>51925804
the caring group anonymous
>>51925798
https://mega.nz/#!HNZTkbSI!i1dps0-g1PMxy0iP38yhx-ZNEK07VICQLtxSnHJ-GtY
Go get it
>>51925932
my hero
Preferred laptop of jihadis everywhere.
>>51926187
Takbir my friend
Allahu akubar
>>51926257
fuck you
deus vult
X1 Carbon 3rd Gen is literally glorious.
>>51926388
S O L D E R E D
>O
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>D
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>R
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>D
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>>51925606
Should've gone for a T520 if cooling was that important to you. Turning off Turbo Boost should help with your load temperatures without making any noticeable change to performance. Use TPFC if you aren't already and set the fan to 7 when you're playing vidya, and dxtory or some similar program to cap framerates in games that don't provide the option themselves. No sense in running stuff at 300 FPS when the monitor is only 60hz. Should be able to keep your temps around 80c and below. Still toasty, but 14" Thinkpads don't have nearly as good cooling as 15" ones so you can't expect miracles.
Could someone tell me what batteries will get me the best battery life on a T420s. Can you get a 9-cell battery for the T420s or is the 6-cell the biggest? Then a 3-cell bay battery?
>>51927065
The 6 cell is the biggest, it's also smaller than the regular T420 6 cell due to space constraints. 48Wh vs 60Wh. And yes there's the bay and slice batteries. Just beware that those drain to 0% before the system switches over so the constant full cycling may or may not have a serious effect on lifespan. Although this slice here is doing alright, pulled 3 years and still usable
>>51927065
Main battery is only up to 6cell. You might be able to get a slice battery for it? Not sure. Ultrabay batteries are crap.
>>51927085
>>51927092
thanks
basically my current battery gets around 90 minutes. what is the max battery life i could get on this model?
Can I still get T420s IPS replacement kits? My screen is literally cancer.
>>51925606
>/g/ recommended the t420
Because /g/ is dumb as a sack of rocks sometimes. The only thing that makes T420 better than T520 is the community support. Ivy Bridge support through custom BIOS, better screens through custom kits to fit them.
If you're into this, you have reason to get a T420.
If not, T/W520 offers miles better cooling performance, and the option for a better screen from the factory meaning it's far easier to get your hands on said screen if your model doesn't already have one.
>B-b-but the 520 is heavier and bigger !
The difference between a 14" and a 15.6" laptop is next to nothing, get the fuck real.
>Dude 420 weed lmao
M E M E S
E
M
E
S
You should sell your memepad and join the 520 master race.
>>51927164
>The difference between a 14" and a 15.6" laptop is next to nothing, get the fuck real.
Normal 15.6" laptops maybe, but 15.6" Thinkpads are goddamn behemoths. I have an X220, T420, and T510 and the T420 feels like a closer relative to the X220 than it does to the T510. That thing is enormous. Rest of your points are totally valid though, that T510 may be huge but it runs cool and the screen is beautiful, even though it's not 1080p it still eats my T420's screen for breakfast.
hi guys, give me some ideas for performance/gaymen testing, I just got new RAM for my X220 and I got a mixed feeling about it...
more info: I have 1.40 Bios mod from http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/x220-custom-bios-1-40-release.782077/ and got a little excited about the RAM unlock part, among other things. So I got myself some 2x 4GB 1866MHz Kingston sticks (couldn't get any batter), and even thou I know thinkpads aren't gaymen nor HD3K is something uber, I heard that HD3K performance is dependant on RAM bandwidth (that accually make sense, since it shares system memory). Now, I installed NFSU2, and the results got me thinking, like, either I did something wrong (on technical/testing level) or 1866MHz is a meme, cuz here's what I got:
2015-12-18 09:28:00 - speed2 - 6GB Mixed
Frames: 4056 - Time: 114474ms - Avg: 35.432 - Min: 21 - Max: 52
2015-12-18 09:34:31 - speed2 - 4GB Single
Frames: 3263 - Time: 102399ms - Avg: 31.866 - Min: 26 - Max: 47
2015-12-18 09:42:33 - speed2 - 4GB Dual
Frames: 3903 - Time: 111072ms - Avg: 35.139 - Min: 29 - Max: 50
2015-12-18 09:51:28 - speed2 - 8GB Dual, bios auto, 1866mhz
Frames: 3382 - Time: 114255ms - Avg: 29.600 - Min: 23 - Max: 40
2015-12-18 10:02:47 - speed2 - 8GB Dual, bios auto, 1866mhz take two
Frames: 3955 - Time: 131118ms - Avg: 30.164 - Min: 22 - Max: 39
2015-12-18 10:10:37 - speed2 - 8GB Dual, bios set to 1067mhz
Frames: 4053 - Time: 114365ms - Avg: 35.439 - Min: 29 - Max: 49
2015-12-18 10:16:32 - speed2 - 8GB Dual, bios set to 1333mhz
Frames: 4050 - Time: 113116ms - Avg: 35.804 - Min: 29 - Max: 52
2015-12-18 10:21:37 - speed2 - 8GB Dual, bios set to 1600mhz
Frames: 3843 - Time: 109840ms - Avg: 34.987 - Min: 29 - Max: 49
2015-12-18 10:27:17 - speed2 - 8GB Dual, bios set to 1867mhz
Frames: 3684 - Time: 122992ms - Avg: 29.953 - Min: 21 - Max: 45
So, my question is: what else do you want me to test? And how specific? (I have 2x2gb 1x4gb sticks; HT, Turbo Boost - on/off, anything else?)
>>51927392
It really doesn't make much difference. HD 3000 is too shit to be useful even with the fastest RAM you can throw at it.
>>51927392
Faster RAM is a meme anyways. Any well-designed program should be utilizing memory cache so minor improvements in the memory clock has almost no benefits.
>>51927135
Depends on how badly the battery is doing to get only 1.5 hours. Assuming it's a fresh battery (which it isn't), you're looking at 5 hours total with the bay and slice. Assuming it's about 50% degraded which isn't too unreasonable for an on the go scenario of light-medium use and assuming it's pretty old, you're looking at about 10 or so hours with all 3 batteries taped on. Just bear in mind the slice battery adds a half kilo and tilt to the machine so in the short term, a fresh main battery would bring peace of mind, even if you're only going to get 3-5 hours out of it. Whether you get some chink shit, pay out the ass for lenovo or get lucky finding a legit lenovo on the cheap is up to you
Oh and the bay battery is a tiny 30Wh, large relative to the T420s battery, but half the size of a "proper" 6 cell, or 1/3 of a 9 cell (or slice)
>>51912429
Then tell me how to look.
Whats the best thinkpad for battery life thats under $500?
How are xsauc and latios still in these generals? Are you guys being paid by lenovo or something?
>>51927942
I'm [as of a month ago] on holiday until the end of Feb. But if you noticed, my posting has dropped drastically over the past 1.5 or so years due to life getting busier
I can't do the whole shitposty linger around all day any more sadly
>>51927919
T420/T430 with 9 cell and 9 cell slice
Or X220/X230 with 9 cell and 6 cell slice
Realistically you should be able to get at least 15 hours out of it. More if you're stingy
Your $500 would be pretty much paying for new batteries on top of the machine
>>51928058
>Realistically you should be able to get at least 15 hours out of it. More if you're stingy
not on a 230
10 hours tops
>source i have a cherry 9 cell and slice
>>51917455
Not Thinkpad, but this should apply. Just bought a Latitude E6330:
i5 3rd gen
8GB RAM
Stock 250GB HDD, whatev
Preloaded with Win7, might make the jump to 10
Best part is I got it from a MAR for only two hunnerts, on a sweet Cyber Monday sale. With them HD Graphics 3000, I'm hoping to maybe even run New Vegas, with some graphics modding.
Speaking of, is it worth it to run Win10 on laptops like these? I'm already gonna wait till they iron out the kinks to upgrade, but I'm paranoid my performance is gonna take a hit. And wanting to play games, I'm gonna need basically all the performance I can squeeze out.
Also, does anyone know if there's anything weird you have to do in Win10 to get games to work properly? Like in 7, you have to go in to like every executable and check "Run as administrator," because the Program Files folder is protected. Quirks like that.
>>51928299
>With them HD Graphics 3000, I'm hoping to maybe even run New Vegas, with some graphics modding.
consider your hopes dashed. if you want gay men so bad, get an egpu
do not switch to win10, it's shit
>>51928332
Faaaaaack.
Still though, I got Fo3 to run decently on a shitty, banged up 7 year old Compaq that's notorious for cooling problems. As long as I didn't get gangraped with enemies, the graphics did aight. I'm thinkin I can make do with the Latitude.
Anyway, I only need it to play old games to keep me entertained till I get a desktop built. That's where I'm planning on doing vidya. I only really need it to run Matlab for school, some old games woulda been a bonus. Plus I don't know if there are even any options for eGPUs with the Latitude.
>>51928077
1 hour per cell (~10Wh, oh and i7 excluded) shouldn't be unreasonable though if you're just shitposting on /g/. Even my X220t got nearly 1 hour per cell in its heyday
>>51928560
my memes might just be too spicy. max battery life still gets me really only 10 hours
165wh total between both batteries
I do have an i7 though
>73% LG 9-cell for my T420, for 50 burgertickets
Cop or not my brethren?
Or alternatively, save up for a brand new LG 9-cell for 200 burgertickets?
(I have a 59% LG 6-cell now.)
>>51929693
>LG 9-cell for 200 burgertickets
>battery costs just as much as the laptop itself
>>51929747
>mfw I bought a T420 for £170 and then bought brand new 9cell and slice from Lenovo
Oh well, was free university money
Is an x201 tablet good enough for creating professional level textures for vidya models?
I can't seem to find any specs on the drawing side of things, just a review criticising the pressure sensitivity but that might be due to poor pressure curve configuration.
>>51929947
nice weasel words, kike
reformat your question into something concrete
My T420 died yesterday :( doesn't turn on, just get the power button blinking occasionally, probably a motherboard problem, cba replace atm as I already have a PC + an x220t :/ but damn it will be missed.
>>51925978
Did they turn out to be the ones you needed? They worked for my T420 dGPU, so it should work for yours
So glad I bought an X220t instead of an X220. Everything about it is so nice, and the touchscreen is a wonderful addition.
>>51929999
W-what?
>>51929947
Yeah, that's about as bad as the "art" where I work
>pic related. Frame is painted by Julian Schnabel, worth more than a new car because lolfamousartist_muhemotions.jpg
>>51930135
'professional' means fucking nothing. you need to actually specify your needs when asking for advice, not try and serve up stale jewish memes
>>51923673
I FUCKING HATE THAT MOTHERFUCKING NEW PAD ON THE 240....
ITS DRIVING ME CRAZY....
I NEED A FUCKING WIZZARD JUST TO MAKE RIGHT CLICK
REEEEEEEEEEE
>>51930178
Hell, he made seating for this place
>"let's make chairs out of BRONZE"
>too heavy to slide then for seating
>"huh... Well, they still look cool... Add WHEELS! And build a BRONZE table"
Brilliant!
>>51930281
They removed the buttons. Two finger click tends to work for right click.
Seriously though. Why does everyone and their grandmother want to remove buttons from new computers?
Hi guys, I just bought a T450 but I want to replace the 1600x900 screen with a full hd screen. I noticed that the bezzel is some sort of sticker. Is it possible to replace the screen without buying a new bezzel?
>>51930194
I need it able to do professional work. You know, new tarbo alternator, cadillac converter delete, white stylus only, one knock.
I need to be able to draw the things needed in my new job. The requirements are pretty high but I think the x201t could suffice. I just want a second opinion from someone who knows something.
after updates
>>51930506
aaaand
>>51930569
Not too bad for an x220. The msata drive makes a huge difference imo.
>>51909525
>My pen broke on my x220t broke today :'(
order another one they are like 12 bucks on ebay
>>51928487
Just get an egpu setup nigger
>>51930506
>>51930539
>>51930569
>windows
>on a thinkpad
get out normalfag
>>51930348
Yes, you can get away with reinstalling it once, but I wouldn't do it more than that.
>>51930506
>>51930539
>>51930569
>wasting so much effort on three screenshots
>>51930963
go home >>51928589
>>51931028
meant for this one
>>51930906
also gonna be hackintoshing tripplebooting over christmas, so don't be mad at me pls
i can get a thinkpad t420 (i5 - 4gb ram), x220i (i3 - 4gb ram) OR a HP 8440p (i7 vpro - 4gb ram) elitebook , they are all relatively the same price, im looking for the best battery life, but the 8440p comes with 1600x900, although my priority is battery life, none of them come with extended batteries, however i can order one from ebay and live with the internal for a week or so.
also as a side option, there is an x61s available for less than half the price of these laptops and i can buy an ssd + 4gb ram to throw in (currently 100gb hdd and 1gb ram), that would probably end up costing just shy of what i would spend buying one of the thinkpads or elitebook that i mentioned above.
help me /tpg/ please, your my only hope! :)
>>51931069
also it has to be kinda portable, so im leaning towards the x220i or x61s if it can last as long, the only issue with the x220i is that it comes with a i3m processor, can anyone here tell me how it stacks up against the usual i5m?
What is the full on max RAM on a T420? Should I upgrade to a T440?
>pic unrelated. But fucking hell, why preinstall Facebook and FORCE me to keep it!?
>>51931069
I'd do the T420. X series I personally don't go for unless touchscreen and I don't like HP too much myself
>i7
Although... That processor is nice...
Damn.
>>51927392
bumpin' my question: is there any program (with possibly real world applicaton) that let me see if my ram speeds are working properly?
>>51931069
>>51931180
for portability I'd go with X220 it's also only model accepting glorious IPS without any mods, thou that i3 is little concerning (since you didn't tell us what you'll be doing with it); i7 in HP looks like potential housefire, also i7 goes against battery life
>>51931359
You're obviously using the meme arrow too much
>>51931257
custom rom
>>51931303
>>51931382
i think ill dive for the t420, since its in better condition than the x220 and it costs 60$ less, and im sure a nice 9cell or 6cell will keep it up, but the 1600x900 and i7 on the hp look nice too, however as stated, it will probably be a house-fire and battery killer which isnt what i want...
>>51931453
heres the t420 im looking at, im gonna head out to the local store tomorrow to have a look at it! :)
http://www.onegatech.com/#!product/prd1/4438654761/lenovo-thinkpad-t420
>>51931418
Seems like there's no fix for this. Damn.
sup /tpg/, i found a x220 with 250gb hdd and 4gb ram and found a x220 with 320gb hdd and 8gb ram for 100$ more, is it worth the extra 99$
>>51931598
No.
>>51931257
>T440
>upgrade over T420
Not with those ULV Haslells they aren't. I'm pretty sure the HD 4400 iGPU is worse than the dGPU in the T420, too. You have to get a T440p to get any specs worth a damn in the --40 generation.
>>51931673
well no shit integrated graphics are going to fucking suck against a dedicated gpu
>>51931673
So in that case I'll hang onto my T420
Is there any new Thinkpad worthy of moving up to?
>>51931885
Like I said, there's the T440p. Full voltage Haswells (even quadcore options) and a GT 730m GPU, with actual decent screen options to boot. If you really need better specs, that's where I'd go. Just remember to budget an extra $30 or however much it costs to buy a T450 trackpad since the --40 one is literally unusable.
>>51931885
P50
>>51931444
LG V10. Only one out there so far. Waiting for most bugs to be ironed out
>>51931958
Trackpad is unusable? What, no>>51931994
buttons?
>http://minifree.org/product/libreboot-t400/
Anyone bought this? Are the laptops from them clean, without dead pixels, etc? Feel like getting one for Christmas, but only if everything checks out.
Apparently they ship with upgraded internals (RAM/SSD/HDD/WiFi), clean thermal paste and GNU/Linux pre-installed, along with a free BIOS, which is funded by them.
Any experiences with this? It would be my first thinkpad ;_;.
>>51933129
Mind you, I also have the chance to get a mint T440 with i5 4300U, SSD and HD+ LED for about the same price.
...should I before someone else gets it?
where can i get a quality replacement battery for a t60?
Thoughts on the T450s? Never owned a Thinkpad before but I need a laptop that's durable and can handle regular travel. Never would have considered a Thinkpad until the salesman in Microcenter recommended it because of the roll cage and keyboard drain. I hadn't heard of those features anywhere else.
Just wish I could get an HDMI port rather than VGA.
>>51933129
>>51933595
>€500 euros for a T400
fucking retarded
you should neck yourself for even wanting to buy that shit
question for everyone that changed their bumpers on X220T: where did you buy and how expensive it was?
even thou it's almost impossible to find I still feel like i've been jewed for paying 35€ for piece of plastic (10€ just for shipping), but you gotta love them display stoppers
>>51932857
>he doesn't use a mouse on his workstation
>in case of last resort he doesn't use the trackpoint
>>51933595
Get a REGULAR T420 that isn't stupidly expensive with the nice screen and the dGPU. Don't be a cuck
>>51934288
If you can get one cheap, its good. Don't spend too much on a computer that will be abused during travel
I'm looking for something small to replace my ipad...
What do you guys think about the x140e?
>>51934804
Well, what do you want? I like my trackpad for my Japanese porn games. My clitmouse (trackpoint) is too sensitive for regular porn game usage
>>51934804
Also, I'm the guy you replied to, not the guy that I was questioning his complaints over a trackpad
>>51935183
AMD APU
It's garbage. Get an X220/X230 with at least an i5
>replace iPad
Get an Android tablet then. If you're replacing a tablet, get a tablet. If you want an actual computer that will get shit done, get what I've described. Try to snag their convertible versions with the pen and multi touch displays
>>51931359
Your keyboard is disgusting
In terms of construction, layout and the oily shit all over it
>>51931673
I have a work-issued T440 with the i3 processor in it. The thing is slower, both in terms of single and multi-thread performance, than the lowly i5-520M in my T410s, which is about 4 years older. Simply pathetic.
>>51935244
The thinkpad would be complimentary to my macbook pro 15"
I want something lightweight for mail, browsing, some programming and sshing.
Are there any recommended "mods" for the x220/x230?
Hey guys,
I have a factory new T450 with an broadwell i3 iddling at 43-45 C. This is my first laptop in like 10 years and I'm used to my clean and well-ventilated desktop iddling at 32 C.
Is my laptop toasting the fuck up?
>>51935416
>macbook
Yeah, that's horrid. Either get a tablet or a cell phone to compliment it. Why would you want two laptops? For that, get a desktop and sell the macbook and buy a Thinkpad, or just keep the macbook and use that for your lightweight stuff. Trust me, no "lightweight" laptop will be better for eating shit than a tablet or a cell phone, which are pure media consumption devices.
>>51935516
I would definitely say that's high. My T440s idles at just above room temp
Is an ssd/hdd hybrid a horrible idea? I was just going to buy a 500gb SSD for my x200 but the idea of a 1TB drive in my little thinkpad is making my dick hard.
>>51936248
It's a horrible idea
Anyone use the styluses like the one in the upcoming Yoga 260? Does it have resistance like the SP4 pen?
>>51936447
Yeah I came to my senses after I posted that. Thanks anyway senpai.
>>51936516
Good job.
Hybrid Drives have higher failure rates than both regular hard drives and ssd
I've noticed that my battery doesn't fully charge anymore.
Even in the power manager, it says that the max charge is 84%, yet my actual charge is never higher than 55-65%. Is this a common issue on the X200?
I've tried taking the battery out and pressing the power button, but that didn't work.
I recently upgraded my RAM and I'm noticing that I'm getting some stuttering here and there in games despite having fairly good ping.
Is it possible that the RAM isn't seated correctly? I have a T420 and instead of using 1333Mhz I used 1600Mhz, would that account for it?
I went from 4gb to 16gb, no other problems anywhere else.
Thanks guy by the way, I fell for the meme and couldn't be happier though.
Has there been any kind of announcements about the Thinkpad Classic since the unveiling back in fuckin July?
After installing a new keyboard on my thinkpad, I am suddenly getting random freezing on my thinkpad. what the fuck is going on here?
I'm using a dell xps m140 as an always-on print center.
Is there any utility similar to tlp that will let me set charge thresholds? It gets plugged in (and left on) basically 24-7 so I just took the battery out.
It would be nice to be able to leave the battery in there.
damnit i could've gotten a w520 for cheap. now it's back to ebay
>>51937438
they're trying to get it off the ground at Lenovo but are having problems finding a good screen for it last time I heard. I don't have a source.
Have a bad feeling it's going to get scrapped since it's going to be expensive for Chinkovo to recreate manufacturing to meet the old style of the Thinkpad
So no retro Thinkpad
>>51932857
>>51934804
The --40 trackpad has no physical trackpoint buttons. They brought them back for the --50 generation and that trackpad is the same shape so you can swap it on to make --40 Thinkpads usable again. Still no physical buttons for the trackpad itself, though. P50 has them, but that thing starts at like $2000 with the most basic configuration.
>>51939350
Maybe end of next year, still sourcing a screen.
>>51937451
Which model?
Maybe you got a bad keyboard, possible reseating or something is being contacted on the motherboard.
>>51937256
It might be bad, idk but if you get a BSoD it might have a bad sector or something.
>>51931885
T430 mang
Maybe a W series if you want firepower, otherwise most new Haslel and Broadlel machines are more about ultrabookness nao.
>>51908851
I want to buy a ThinkPad just as a linux machine.
I don't want a chiclet keyboard and I want it to be relatively small.
I thinking a X201 or X220, and I want to keep the price low. Is the X220 worth the extra £50?
Also, have the recently done a laptop without the trackpad? I had a thinkpad many many years ago without one, and it was brilliant.
>>51939851
X201 is the most recent model with a no trackpad option.
>>51939935
All the X201's I've found have trackpads.
If I've got to have one that's fine, I just want to know if the X220 is worth the extra money.
>>51939851
My x200 only has a trackpoint. I'm using it right now.
>>51939851
>I had a thinkpad many many years ago without one, and it was brilliant.
How?
Can't you just disable it or simply not use it?
>>51940010
Yeah of course I can, but I don't want to. I would rather it just not be there. I'm not really that fussed though
>>51940045
I will never understand you hipsters.
>>51940117
Lol, what the fuck is the problem? I said I'm not that fussed.
God forbid, I have a fucking preference.
Is the X220 worth the extra £50?
>>51925669
Yes, but maybe it was for other thinkpad models. Anyways
>>51925669
>>51925773
>>51926597
>>51927164
Haha, Windows was the culprit.
Arch (actually antergos because arch takes a while to set up, I've done a full Arch install before don't worry) gets me much lower temps. Most likely due to frequency scaling and how light weight it is (Using xfce).
Temps usually don't go over 85 unless an artificial load. Games run around 75 to 85°C.
Idle is high 30's. Normal load never goes over 60.
Feels good.
>>51908851
Is dell xps considered "business"? any opinions on the new xps 13
>>51938583
Fuck that. *I'll* sell them screens for the 50-100 of these things they'll end up making as a giant fail.
Actually, no, I'm keeping the screens. Fuck Lenovo.
>>51908851
I have a t420 now. Have had it for years. Looking at upgrading to the X1 after the 1st of the year
Will they every make a thinkpad that doesn't have the fn and ctrl in the wrong order?
Also, is x1 the only carbon steel?
>>51937438
>dat Lenovo logo on the bezel
I don't like it. The older Lenovo logo was better.
>>51940000
Witnessed.
>>51941031
You can switch the fn and ctrl keys in the BIOS so that fn acts as the ctrl key and vice versa.
t440s + trackpad swap and 1080p fhd panel worth it then shelling more money out for a t450s? performance gain doesn't seem worth it at all
x230 w/ x220 kbd swap here
Anybody got the udev keymapping info/procedure for Linux? I can figure it out but it's going to take me a couple of hours to read all that shit. I have used Linux for a while, this is just something I've never personally fooled with.
If nobody responds, I'll post my results in an infographic in the next thread or two to make it easier for the next anon.
