What does g think about geforce gtx960? Is it still an okay choice? Read a few reviews and says it may not handle some future games very well. Should I get it? It fits my budget.. Or should I get a cheaper cpu (right now getting intel i5 4690k) and a better gpu?
Nah, I reckon that's a decent combo
>>51841759
You are answering the last question, right?
>>51841767
the i5 4690k and the 960 will be fine
>>51841774
Tnx. Idk much about mobos but, I was thinking of getting this one:
http://shop.imtec.ba/maticne-ploce/24200-asus-mb-z97-k-usb3-1-lga1150-intel-z97.html
Aaand Im guessing around 600w power supply is enough?
Don't listen to these people, get the r9 390 and the i7 4790k, they are future proof
>>51841820
The 960 is pretty gimped by nature. The specs on it are inferior to similarly priced competitors.
If you're not a brand whore, get an R9 380. It'll give you better lasting power, as it has much better specs, should cost right about the same too.
As for CPU, that's a fine choice, you could go a bit cheaper without a big performance hit, but the price difference wouldn't be big enough to cover the costs of a much better GPU.
There's a reason the 960 is considered a meme card. You're better off going AMD on that price tier.
>>51841744
if you're adamant about getting i5 469okay then get a better card like a 970
>>51841820
Forgot to answer to the PSU question:
Yes, 600W is enough for a 960 or a 380. 600W is probably enough even for a 390X, really.
About the mobo, I'm not sure what currency that is, but you can get good Z97 motherboards for around 110-130€, so if the price is much higher than that, you can cut costs by getting some other mobo.
>>51841949
There's no such thing as future proof in hardware, much less with a GPU that is not even the top of the line. Besides, the 390 is much more expensive in Europe (which he is from) than the 960 or 380.
>>51841983
>don't get that meme card, get this other meme card!
The 970 is dogshit, and you know it. The only reason to ever pick it up over a 390 is if it's considerably cheaper, and it's usually the opposite in Europe, where Nvidia is much more expensive.
If you live in Europe and buy anything Nvidia under the 980Ti tier, you're retarded and deserve to get shafted by Nvidia
>>51842018
>$530 for a gtx 970
>$599 for a r9 390
I guess it does depend on where you live though
>>51841949
Why the heck would someone buy AMD cards when they run louder and hotter, dump a fuckload of hot air inside your case, perform worse than an nvidia card that is a bit costlier?
And after this crimson fiasco i have yet another reason not to buy amd ever again, i never used overdrive and it still fucking locked my fanspeed at 28%.
I hope you guys realize you will burn in hell for shilling for that garbage company.
>>51841999
>There's no such thing as future proof in hardware
yes there is, if there is something that requires more processing/rendering power, clearly the developers are brain dead and shouldn't be making a game in the first place.
卐卐卐nice trips btw卐卐卐
>>51842018
It's not dogshit, not even in europe. It's not as good as people thought it would be but ofcourse /g/ always blows everything to epic proportions and pretend the 3,5 gb meme completely destroys the card while in practise with the latest drivers it is barely noticable.
Just pick a card based on value. It differs per country not continent. In live near germany and the price differences are insane compared to holland (in favour or against)
>>51842113
Literally nothing you said is accurate. You're just a dumb faggot suffering from muh greener grass syndrome. Also, there is no Crimson "fiasco". The fan bug was hotfixed quickly. If you're too dumb to have updated, that's your problem, fag.
Okay, I read all these posts and I guess it all co.es down to personal preference and where you live, no?
I am really worried about how hard 960 will bottleneck my cpu thi.
Is it a good idea to go with this cpu so it doesnt bottleneck incase I decide to upgrade the GPU so.e time in the future?
>>51842190
lmao everything i said is accurate, all of amd cards literally run hotter and louder and require like 2x the power nvidia card do you piece of shit nigger shill
i have used amd products for like 5 years and everytime they turn out shit, and yeah there was a fiasco because after clean up installation of the "hotfix" my fans were still stalled
so please find the tallest building near you and jump to your death you fucking shill
>>51842078
>dollars
>europe
wut
>>51842113
>memes and more memes
They run at the same temperatures as Nvidia cards. The noise depends more on the cooler than the card, good coolers don't produce as much noise. MSI, PCS+, Sapphire are all chill and low noise.
The "Crimson fiasco" is bullshit, and is not a reason to stray away from AMD. Even if for some reason it locked the fans of your card to 28% without you using Overdrive as you claim, it would never damage your card, as the card would automatically shut itself down at 95ºC to protect itself from harm. It is impossible for it to get damaged by heat. Besides, those chips are MADE to run at 95ºC, so even when they get there, they could still be running. I have yet to see proof of a card that actually got damaged by this bug.
To top it all off, if you install a BETA driver, of any company, and don't actively monitor your card right after, you're one dumb shit, and deserve anything you get. Nvidia has also had problems with drivers burning cards, very recent ones too, you know? Stop being biased and ignoring the facts you don't like.
I doubt you even have an AMD card at this point, provide proof or I'll just discard your post as a shitty troll attempt.
>>51842186
It's still much worse value than the 390, and they are normally on the same price point. Which is why I said, unless it is considerably cheaper than the 390, don't get a 970.
Besides, it's not just VRAM that was falsely advertised. There was more to it than just VRAM, and it does impact performance directly.
>>51842234
>using beta drivers on release day
>complains about problems
Do you actually believe Nvidia has it any better? I love it when my brother's screen starts flickering or just straight up has a driver crash and the screen becomes all squares. His tears are delicious. Oh, he has a 750Ti, btw.
>>51842238
As if i give a shit about your shill straight up lying ass will discard my post? You are literally lying as the other shill, msi, pcs+ and sapphire all have loud coolers, especially my pcs+ r9 290 that developed rattling on the third week, just like countless others as people admit on the web
the vram on the amd cards run hotter than software detects and at about 100c your vram 1 is cooked but yeah in your shill mind that never happens, right?
faggot
>>51842275
the "beta" driver has been the same for like three weeks now and it doesn't "hotfix" shit for many people
>>51842284
>still no proof of anything
>ad hominem up the ass
K
>>51842311
The hotfix was released the monday after the issue popped up. It fixed it for me. What do you mean "doesn't hotfix"? Link sources to where it didn't fix the issue for someone. I'll be waiting.
Dude just get an 380 and invest the saved money on some asbestos and a new fire extinguisher.
>>51842349
wow you are literally a shill
how much does amd pay you for a post?
Did somebody say meme?
>>51842210
Nigger don't fall for the bottleneck meme, an ivy i3 wouldn't get bottlenecked by a 390.
>>51842384
>more ad hominem
I don't work for AMD.
It's sad that you're just spewing out shit that's been debunked a thousand times around here already, and someone might actually think it's true. You have yet to back up any claim you made so far.
Like I said, I doubt you even have an AMD card, but feel free to disprove my claim.
>>51842371
he should just eat the asbestos and not bother with amd desu
>>51842401
>48c at idle
>>51842426
That's not idle
>>51842401
>48ºC while IDLE
>AMD ARE HOUSEFIRE GUISE, SO MUCH HOTTER HAHAHA
>meanwhile at my 390 idling at 35ºC with fans at 10%
Nvidiots, everyone
>>51842441
So you're running benchmarks or playing intensive games while screenshotting Speccy? Or is Speccy such an intensive application that your 960 has to actually put work to render it? kek
>>51842401
>amd cpu
>>51842453
I never even said amd are house fire jackass
>>51842477
>>51842113
>AMD cards when they run louder and hotter, dump a fuckload of hot air inside your case
>>51842467
I was exiting witcher 3 than took the pic
So, does it really matter THAT much if I choose 960 over 380? Again, Im just wondering if it will hold back my CPU and how much senpaitachi.
Also, AMD heat memes scare the shit out of me so Ill prolly get 960.
>>51842551
Meme speecy guy here literally just get what ever you can get cheap as I got my 960s new 170$ Merica dollaroos each
>>51842551
seriously though, this place is FILLED with amd shills dude, every amd card i have had died in less than 2 years or was loud as absolute shit while running at 80-90c with otherwise great air cooled case, and that's only if you are lucky and your drivers don't prevent your fans from spinning when amd does decide to create some kind of drivers
don't fall for the meme like i did
>>51842551
Not immediately, the performance of both of them are pretty much equal, give or take, with slight fluctuations depending on the game.
In the long game, the 380 will win for sure, that's not even a question. It's been proven over and over by the past GPU generations that AMD cards eventually pull ahead hard after 2-3 years of launch.
Your CPU won't be bottleneck either of them, even if you went i3. The i5 you mentioned on OP will never be bottlenecked by either of them, you're fine.
The heat meme is just that, a meme. Some AMD cards only turn their fans on at 60ºC by default. If you turn up the fan speed to 10% at anything under 60ºC, it will idle at 40ºC, like any other Nvidia card, and you will barely hear it.
My 390 runs CoD Black Ops 3 (I know it's a shitty game, I pirated it because I like playing through the story) at 70-72ºC with the fans at 40%. It's perfectly fine, and you'll barely hear the fans at that speed.
Just do your own research on both cards. You'll see the heat memes are just memes, it depends a lot on the cooler you pick. If you go with Sapphire, PCS+ or MSI, you'll love it.
>>51842587
I have yet to see any proof you even own an AMD card. You said you had a 290, but you didn't even post a picture of it or even Speccy when called out on it.
You're just spreading FUD for no reason. Literally no source or link to backup any of your claims.
Fuck off.
>>51842627
Forgot to add, don't forget to buy AMD™ products now to get a free game with them as well.
>>51842658
Fuck off you too, false-flagging faggot
>>51842551
>AMD heat memes scare the shit out of me so Ill prolly get 960.
The 380 is much more efficient than most other AMD cards, the 960 isn't all that much more efficient.
The difference between the 960 and the 380 isn't that big but it's there. I'd call you a fool for turning down extra performance because of le epic maymays but that's just me. If you really want to be a fanboy then off with you.
Keep in mind that this is the only price point where AMD actually has a compelling offer, the difference between the 970 and 390 isn't worth talking about the the Fury X isn't exactly doing great against the 980ti. I'm not a shill, I'm just looking at this realistically.
>>51842648
here shilly shill, random video from a guy having the same problem as me, i guess shills don't know how to use google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Eozd6s3GnA
>>51842551
Also, to ease your fear of the heat meme, pic related is my card
I was playing a while ago, and it doesn't drop down under 40's after that, but as you can see, it idles at 40 or less with 10% of the fans.
Memes will meme, friend, but you can't fake this.
>>51842426
I used to idle at 60
then again it was an HP laptop
HD6970: Released Q4 2010 and driver support halted. No longer receiving any updates.
GTX 480: Released Q2 2010 and getting DX12
OP unless you're getting a 280 or a 380 don't even bother going AMD. Their other cards don't fully support DX12.
I have an i5-4690 and a 960. Every game I play can be cranked up to ultra at 1080p, but tend to play light games. The most demanding game I play is probably Grid Autosport. The vast majority of my library is fighting games, racing games, and RTS (which tend to be CPU intensive). If you want to play the latest FPS game, you might want to get the 970 or 980.
Also, it is true that a similarly priced AMD card may perform better. I chose the 960 specifically for its performance to power usage/heat ratio.
>>51842786
>DX12 feature level 11_0
>it'sfuckingnothing.png
>>51842786
Why would anyone buy a 6970 in 2016?
>>51842815
It's no time you're going to be running dx12_1 graphic effects anyways. The point is that it'll still work flawlessly on dx12 low settings 1080p 60fps whereas the AMD card released in the similar year won't work at all.
Guys, I just watchd some fat sandniggers review and benchmarking on both and I am starting to like 380 more, because more fps..
Now pls dont laugh..
Is r9 380 conpatible woth the cpu I mentioned? (Intel i5 4690k) heres the vid:
https://youtu.be/NTpNZEW31G0
>>51842829
AMD has awful long term support. The overclocked 6970 will still rape a 7870/270x
>>51842882
You don't need to worry about GPUs being compatible with CPUs, all GPUs work with all CPUs. It's only motherboard-CPU compatibility that you need to worry about.
If you're wondering if it will do fine with that CPU, yes, it will, it's just fine. AMD-Intel works well, there's no issue at all.
Although I'm recommending you to get the 380, don't base your opinion off a single person. The more videos/reviews you watch, the better picture you will get.
Also, before you get swayed by the power/performance meme: It's not relevant between 960/380, at all. The difference is marginal in terms of wattage. A 600W PSU will do just fine with either. The monetary difference at the end of full year will likely not be higher than 2 or 3€.
Reviewers tend to cling a lot to the power draw differences, when they are largely irrelevant.
>>51842951
Also take into consideration how all games released nowadays are gameworks titles - this is the important part, when looking at benches look up when the games were released. The 380 is really bad with tessellation which all modern games relies heavily upon.
The 380 is a two year old rebranded gpu while the 960 is a 2015 gpu that is maxwell perfected. It has features not even the $1000 Titan x have. It's Nvidia's latest and greatest.
>>51843044
If it's so great and optimized, how come the 380 still beats the 960 in a bunch of newly released AAA games, and gets close or beats it in Gameworks titles?
>>51843162
Because they are two low cost products meant to compete with each other.
>>51843229
So you're saying that being "perfectly optimized" and the 380 being "bad with tesselation" is irrelevant, then?
Fuck outta here
Just to make sure I found the right cards
http://shop.imtec.ba/graficke-kartice/25229-gigabyte-amd-radeon-r9-380-g1-gaming-4gb-ddr5.html
http://shop.imtec.ba/graficke-kartice/23653-gigabyte-nvidia-geforce-gtx960-oc-4gb-ddr5-gv-n960oc-4gd.html
These are it, right?
>>51843251
No, I'm saying with AMD's poor history of long term support and horrible drivers along with the fact of all modern games heavily using gameworks the newer more efficient 960 with game ready drivers is better than a slightly less gimped 285 rebrand which only gets drivers only a few times a year.
>>51842401
hey, which program are you using?
>>51841744
I have a gtx 960 4gb. It does the job but its kind of under powered. I get 60 fps in fallout 4 but I had to turn god rays to low and shadow distance to medium. Don't expect to run anti-aliasing on this card ever. Get it if you can find it for the cheap (I payed $205 USD), but if you have to pay full price get a similar priced amd card.
>>51843326
what about the gtx 970? I've been reading it's almost on par with 980 and for like $300 less (and in my 3rd world country $300 difference is a LOT)
>>51843533
Its way more expensive fampai.
>>51842113
If it's dumping more inside the case, it's not running hotter.
non-idort GTX 950 master race here
>>51843721
I don't understand why the 950 exists unless you only run exclusively not-demanding games like LoL, diablo, cs:go, ect. If you stay away from AAA games then yeah, i suppose its a nice little card, and the no power draw + low thermals are nice.
Why does 960 look like pic related here and in some search results it has three fans? Whats up with that?
>>51843861
different aftermarket coolers from different brands
>>51843861
There are tons of different models of GTX 960 that are all based on the same GTX 960. Stock-performance wise, they're all almost exactly the same with only maybe 1-2fps differences in video game benchmarks.
From what I've seen, you tend to pay a premium for the smaller form-factor models like in your picture that fit into a Mini-ITX case and the longer cards with more fans overclock better since they have better cooling. However, as mentioned before, if you don't overclock at all, cooling isn't a concern, and you aren't trying to shove a video card into a small tower, it doesn't matter which one you buy.
>>51843514
How about the gtx 770 4gb? Hiw does it compare? Right now it's $260 in amazon.
yeah the 960 is probably one of better value cards on the market
the 950 still has the highest performance per dollar though since its 40 dollars less and barely ~10% difference
if you are gaming at 1080/60 is definitely the best option
>>51843766
it can handle aaa titles easily at 1080 with aa/shadows turned down slightly
>>51844005
Google it yourself dawg. Look up benchmarks. Compare prices. You know, shop.
Keep in mind 900 series cards use little power compared to their last generation counterparts, meaning you can buy a lower wattage power supply and / or have more overclock headroom.
Again tho, if you can't find a gtx 960 ON SALE, just go with something amd in the same price range. Also get a 4gb or you will have a bad time.
black friday weekend was the time to buy a new video card. If you're considering one now, you fucked up. everything was $30-$40 less than it is right now.
>>51844454
>everything was $30-$40 less than it is right now
not really, most of the mid range budget cards didn't go on sale at all
>>51844454
I saw a gtx 970 on sale for $250. 3.5 gb or not, thats a crazy price / performance deal.
I didnt pay much attention to mobos on this thread... Will Asus MB Z97-K, LGA1150, Intel Z97 do? Pic related
>>51842408
None of what he has said has been debunked. In fact, you yourself admitted that some of what he said was true.
GTFO, red rooster.
>>51842113
You just threw the whole pole in the water
>>51843553
what's the price difference between 960 and 970?
>>51844821
>>51844821
In my country its like 300+ currnecy units (i think) which is too much.
>>51844821
Google it for yourself for your own country you lazy bastard.
You kids need to take your gaming shit to >>>/v/
>>51844905
for HIS country, fucking imbecile
>tfw future proofed $3000 desktop from 2008 isn't cutting it anymore
why did you lie to me /g/
you told me i could proof the future
I had a 960 about a month ago. It was trash at 1920x1200
>>51845572
what were you playing and what was the rest of your rig like
>>51845572
2gb or 4gb?
>>51845572
i have a 660
it's excellent at 1920x1200
>>51845572
Are you baiting? If not pls answer those questions by other anons.
>>51845572
I had a 960 2GB and a 1920x1200 monitor and I have no clue what you're talking about. It maxed mostgames.
>>51841962
>If you're not a brand whore, get an R9 380. It'll give you better lasting power, as it has much better specs, should cost right about the same too.
wrong as fuck, the 960 outperforms the 380 easily
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/08/04/msi_geforce_gtx_960_gaming_4g_video_card_review/9
>>51843721
I pulled the trigger on a GTX 950 from MSI because the benchmarks were somewhat solid at 1080p and i don't plan on using a higher resolution at all.
all my past cards have been AMD, anything i need to know?
>>51847686
OC it for free performance. maxwell doesn't need a voltage increase to OC to it's maximum and therefore doesn't have a measurable increase in power draw/heat output or decrease in GPU lifespan.
>>51847750
has anyone here ever actually had a gpu of theirs break?
ive never heard of a gpu actually breaking amongst me and my friends they always get discarded before they reach the end of their lifespan and I mean me personally I've only upgraded my gpu once in the past 6 years
>>51847824
nope. i ran a reference 6950 to it's limit (overvolted to 1.3v, unlocked shaders). it got to 90c on load and still lasted 5 years before i upgraded to a 970.
>>51847824
I've never had a death on my hands. Started my first build with a Zotac 560 SE, lasted ~4 years until my performance wasn't where I wanted it, replaced with an MSI 760 for about a year and a half and I'm now on an MSI 390. Gifted my 760 to a bro of mine to replace his old AMD card.
I don't run them real hard, but they've gotten pretty constant use.
>>51847824
One of my old ass HD5450 just stopped working one day after years and years of overclocking and living in a hot place, I could probably fix it by baking the card but it's obsolete either way
>>51847750
>OC it for free performance
to which values aprox?
Currently running a PNY 960 factory OC with a i5 4460, it has no problems running witcher 3 and Fallout at mixed high and ultra settings (with memeworks turned off). Great bang for the buck honestly, wouldn't hesitate. Worked for my price point. Never even gets above 50c.
>>51847903
Every card is different, get a guide and go in small increments, you will know when the card is at its limit
>>51842829
800x600benchmarks.png
Murdered by a 380/10.
There are only two good Nvidia cards - the 750ti (as AMD has nothing that can match the power draw) and the 980ti.
>>51847824
My first card was a reference 4870 that died after four years. Started blackscreening whenever 3D clocks were engaged. Those things idled in the fucking high 70s though. I'm sure a modern card would die after four years of that as a baseline.
The 7850 I replaced it with was a fucking breath of fresh air, idling in the 30s and making a fuckload less noise under load.
>>51847839
>>51847882
>>51847896
yeah im pretty sure gpu and cpu are just pretty durable things. and like, if your cooling isn't that good or you live somewhere hot, or even if you're just unlucky, it is always possible that a card you aren't overclocking will just die randomly. it's just rare either way and usually takes a long while.
>>51847903
most maxwell chips become unstable at 1500mhz core, the 960 and 950 can OC further if you get a golden chip because they have less enabled SMMs than the gm204 and gm200 based gpus
>>51841744
I have i5-4690k along with strix gtx 960 an can play fullHD at 100+fps on any games (only few i need to lower details to high not ultra, mostly unoptimized games)
I've got the GeForce GTX 660 Ti and I'm thinking about pairing it with the MSI GeForce GTX 960. Is there anything I need to be able to pair them? Like a more powerful power supply? I've got a 650 watt right now.
I'm new to building comps, plz help
>>51848030
why would you want to 'pair' them? you can't sli a 660ti and a 960 together, and dedicated physx cards are a meme.
>>51848051
i have a 660, and i also have an old 460. should i use the 460 as a dedicated physx card? my power supply is only 550W, and I have 7 hard drives on it already plus the lights on my christmas tree, do you think it can power all of that?
>>51848051
Like I said, I'm new to this. I'm really trying to figure out what I need to hook up the 930
And I don't know if I just want to dump my 660ti (unless I can get a few bucks for it).
Don't want to make a new thread, so is this build alright? https://pcpartpicker.com/p/mTvKzy
>>51848073
**960
>>51848073
you can't pair two random cards. you can only pair two of the same card.
regardless of whether you want to dump your 660 or not, there is no purpose to putting it in your machine with another graphics card.
>>51847981
this, op
nvidia is unironically trash, the 960 has always been a horrible deal
>>51842895
So the old flagship outperforming the mid range model that came after it means that AMDS has bad long term support? I don't follow, that's how it should be.
Or do you want AMD to release drivers that reduce the performance of their old flagship like someone else did with a certain 780ti?
>>51848108
I warned /g/ about the 960 but /g/ would not listen.
>>51848088
Forgot to mention, budget of around 800.
>>51848108
>best price for performance
>somehow horrible deal
great meme
>>51841744
It's a good GPU but has bad price/performance
>>51848220
>best price for performance
Except its not.
>>51848245
it objectively is
>>51848088
where is your gpu?
>>51841744
I spent my money on a gtxx60, 660 specifically, it's good for 1080p but it won't last long as the reviews have said.
>>51848105
Alright, I'll need to see if there's anyone who can by my 660 then.
I just need to figure out what I need in terms of a good CPU and if my 650 watt is good enough
>>51848249
No, its not.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-8.html
>>51848249
>>51848245
>>51848238
>>51848108
HOW ARE YOU FUCKS ARGUING ABOUT THIS
JUST POST THE FUCKING STATS
GIVE ME THE CHART
WHERE'S THE PROOF
HOLY
FUCK
IT'S NOT FUCKING ROCKET SCIENCE
>>51848294
>oct 15
>last gen gpu's
thanks for proving my point
>>51848296
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-3.html
>>51848324
You said objectively and you are wrong.
>>51848348
i guess you should have posted objective information then huh
still right
>>51848371
Shit Huang, you are going all out.
>>51848371
This isn't even good shitposting. It's just you looking like a massive moron and people laughing at you.
>>51848413
>gtx 960
>100%
god damn i love being right
>>51848431
No, the term is retard.
>>51848456
which part about me being right hurt your feelings
Good GPU for the 960?
>>51848597
I assume you want me to recommend a 4460+380 right?
>>51841744
I have two 960's in sli right now and they play latest triple a games at 60 fps at 1080p.
A single 960 will do the similar.
>>51848661
No idea. I'm new to this.
>>51848755
tl;dr do your research, but best options are a locked i5 or an 8320 (or 8320e if its similar money).
>>51848725
>960 sli
That is 980 money for worse performance.
>>51848768
Thanks.
>>51848266
>>51848266
Here
Guys, what is the difference between 380 and 380x?
And is 380 better at performance than 960. Forget the prices right now. Lets assume they are both the same price, which is better? I am really torn here, but some youtubers say they are really close. Does it even matter?
>>51850469
they're close but 960 might perform better more often due to memeworks
380x is definitely better though
