Why haven't you switched to AMD yet?
I enjoy having a good computer.
Fx-8350 master race here.
But I did. I also use AMD components whenever anyone asks me to build them a PC unless their budget is insane.
>>51791281
Same here. And everyone is satisfied with results. Fuck Intel.
>>51791239
Hi, I'm an Intel/Nvidia user but I recently bought some AMD stock just because, so I would like to thank you for shilling AMD.
A vs FX go
>>51791239
>switched
My previous computer was AMD/AMD, the current one I bought a couple years ago is Intel/Nvidia.
I don't "switch" and have no strong preference, I just buy something what fits in my budget and performs well. It's about time I upgrade from GTX660 (which still works great, inb4 >1.5 GB), looking at R9 380/380 X.
>>51791239
Because I want all my ''games works''
>bought a 390
>it's was my 1st amd gpu
>game crash with gta v after ~10 min
>don't have this issue with my old 460
>some user have this issue even with the latest drivers
>return and buy a cheaper 970 3.5
>few days after, amd release second hotfix for people with this issue
>too late
>>51791360
At least NVidia was truthful about 1.5 GB
>>51791414
After everyone had already bought one, sure.
Nothing to loose then.
I did switch and am in the process of switching.
Had 8350 went to 1231 and have 2x 7970s waiting for pascal.
>>51791440
it's sad how history repeats itself.
>>51791239
because I'm not poor yet
>>51791455
I stopped reading after switched. But I don't need a heater in my room anymore that's why I won't switch back.
>>51791384
>it's too late, AMD fucked up
>I will keep my worse-performing GPU with defective memory now
Already have an AMD APU based laptop. Currently waiting for zen next year to build a desktop.
Because zen isn't out yet and as it stands an Intel build is better in terms of performance.
>>51791499
Not this guy but rockstars hate AMD
>>51791347
Thinking of building a PC based on an athlon A for someone for xmas, are the performances really there for basic office and graphic stuff, compared say, to a level entry I5?
>>51791347
built a budget pc for a friend. used an a10 and was surprised how well it works. was a bit skeptical. he just does a little gaming and doesnt care about maxing out settings. pairing with fast ram is a must to get the most out of the a series. i tried throttling the ram back to 1600 and 2000 before uping it to 2400. big difference on 3dmark performance. not a big deal these days getting fast ram, it's cheap. i used 8gb of gskill trident x 2400 for the a10. for any serious gaming, i love the 8350 or 6300. add a coolermaster 212 or similar with good paste for both a and fx series for a little extra thermal headroom. currently gaming with 8350 and xfx 390 both stock settings, and couldnt be happier.
>>51791499
390 ~= 970 and mine isnt even overclocked
>>51791601
That is just one game though. If you check the recent performance summaries, the R9 390 is faster overall.
(there's no 390 on techpowerup's reviews, but it performas the same as the 290X).
>>51791647
390 > 970
Fixed that for you.
And as VRAM requirements increase in the next few years, DX12 becomes widely used, and Nvidia gimps Maxwell after releasing Pascal just like they're doing with Kepler now, it will quickly become 390 >>>>> 970.
>>51791723
>And as VRAM requirements increase in the next few years
I doubt games will become all that more demanding any time soon. Not unless VR catches on in a big way. Remember consoles will hold things back as usual.
>>51791723
>390 > 970
A factory overclocked 290 (390) vs a stock 970
>it will quickly become 390 >>>>> 970.
No proof...
Don't want my house to burn down
>>51791623
No. Even the Athlon 860K can't match the entry level i5-4460 (3.2 GHz) in multi-core performance. The Athlon 860k outperforms all desktop i3s though.
I would get an A8/A10 APU instead, better bang-for-the-buck. They have really nice iGPUs. The A8-7600 is like $90 and can play vydias on medium 720p settings well. The iGPU can also be used for hardware acceleration on programs like MPC-HC too. You just need to make sure to buy 2 sticks of at least 1866 MHz RAM and put them in dual channel mode on the motherboard to get good FPS on games.
>>51791239
Because I have a sandy bridge.
I already have. Superior logo means superior products.
>>51791847
no excuse to get anything below 2133. the impact it has it to great to ignore.
>>51791239
Because Intel is threatening with low priority if there are chip shortages.
>>51791796
Consoles have VRAM in abundance now. While they many hold games back in other factors, the VRAM-depending ones, specially textures, will not be held back.
Also, even with consoles holding games back VRAM requirements still increase. Back in 2007 in Crysis days, 512 MB was plenty for 1080p gaming. By the time the new consoles were released, 1 GB was already not enough for 1080p gaming, and 2 GB was becoming the norm.
>>51791822
>factory overclocked
Are you retarded?
Efficiency improvements in manufacturing is not the same as overclocking, dumbass. The 290 and 390 have the same TDP and similar power consumption. You still get the usual overclocking headroom over a stock 390 just as you would over a stock 290.
>No proof
Proof is written right before that phrase, if you bother to read and comprehend it.
>>51791847
>The Athlon 860k outperforms all desktop i3s though
No, it does not. It doesn't even outperform an overclcoked Pentium, which in turn doesn't outperform the Core i3.
>http://www.techspot.com/review/1017-best-budget-gaming-cpu/page7.html
>>51791847
Why would you get an APU now when next year we get DDR4 compatible APUs?
>>51791822
None of 970 are stock in reviews because they are already running boost clocks. 390 is mostly 290 with higher clocks but it also overclocks beyond and better than the average 290 so it's non issue.
>>51791910
It's not THAT much of a difference to be honest. I also said "at least 1866 MHz". 2133 Mhz RAM would be a little bit better and might not be worth spending more money on.
>>51791982
We don't exactly know when though. Maybe we will get them in Q3 2016 at best but they may take longer to get here. Better to get an A8 APU and upgrade with a dedicated GPU later for those on a budget right now.
>>51791982
This, FM2 is a dead platform now, AM4 APUs will be out in Q2 2016
>>51792039
source?
>>51792039
and AM4 will be compatible with desktop CPUs in case the user decides to upgrade later
>>51792045
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/matthew-wilson/amd-am4-motherboards-rumoured-to-launch-as-early-as-march-2016/
>>51791239
Still rocking AMD opteron ^^
>>51791968
>consoles have vram in abundance
True but they lack actual ram, the vram is used for literally everything. If you actually knew a little about tech you wouldn't be spouting stupid shit.
>>51791968
The 860K still shits all over i3s and pentiums in multi-core performance though.
>>51792109
So what? All 3 games that use it? Even then it's negligible.
>>51792019
difference is less than 2-4$/4gb jumping to 2133, there is no excuse not to get the faster memory when the apu is obviously memory bandwidth starved.
>>51792158
Really? Last time I checked amazon wants $90 for 2x4gb 2133mhz ram sticks. 2x4gb 1866 is just $60 on amazon.
>>51791276
I just got mine a few days ago
Because i never left Amd. Happy FX 8320 owner.
>>51791822
390s come between 1000 and 1050 mhz friendo. The 970 factory oc ranges between 1050 and 1350 boost. 390 ain't an overclocked 290.
An OC 290 looks like this
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9667547? 1175 on air with a factory cooler and is still gonna beat your 970 at 1500mhz.
>>51791239
Because if you don't think their support sucks now, wait to see what it's like once they go out of business.
>>51791239
Still have my trusty Phenom 2 X6 1090T
>>51792191
Ram is always on sale somewhere.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666
>>51791239
they don't have anything to offer
>>51792347
Enjoy the market becoming a complete monopoly as you get raped by Intel/Nvidia.
>>51791239
Waiting for Zen, did make a sweet little APU build for a friend a year ago though
>>51791239
because even though old school amd rocks, apus are shit
>>51791239
Their GPUs are pretty comfy, ahead of NVidia in terms of compute/transistors and about even in games. But AMD seriously needs high-end CPUs to compete with intel ASAP.
Xen when?
>>51792406
don't get your hopes up for xen bruh, pretty much every amd attempt to enter the high end market has failed since the advent of x64
>>51792406
2017, prepare to be disappointed.
>>51792367
That may be true but supporting a subpar company that offers next to zero support just so they can continue to be subpar company is not good logic.
>>51792496
so much this
if amd would just die already maybe via would finally step up its' game. I know everyone here laughs at via for being low end, but are they really any more low end than amd?
>>51792520
Amd isn't dieing. At worst someone buys them.
>>51792431
>prepare to be disappointed.
How so? No matter what it will lessen the gap between intel and amd, in both performance and performance per watt.
>>51791239
Because their GPU linux drivers suck, and cpus suck
>>51791239
Because I Xeon everything
I've been running AMD's since the Athlon XP 1600+.
980ti is faster
Crunching vidya and crunching alien babes all day every day.
>>51792917
people are expecting zen to be basically unlocked haswell-e for $200 like fx is. They are going to basically indistinguishable on both performance and price.
>>51793055
even if it's only sandybridge level if will still sell well
especially if they don't butcher freq scaling like intel by disabling cores
>>51793055
>people are expecting
People expect shit to turn into solid gold every day, son.
Can someone rate this build?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/MwHzJx
>>51793352
That would be Intel users yes.
>>51793371
Intel are jews for only giving people 3-7% more every gen, AMD are clueless assholes for allowing it to continue.
FX 8350 + R9 380X here.
Feels fucking incredible to know I am not supporting immoral companies.
>>51793393
>I proudly support incompetent companies instead! That'll show them!
>>51793425
I rather support an incompetent and altruistic company than a shady anti-consumer one only interested in my money and fucking me over.
So, yes.
>>51793466
>altruistic
You're getting subpar parts and an equal share of the assfucking.
>>51793130
I'd guess it will out perform on some benches and under perform on others to the point where it will be hard to judge how fast it is between sandy and haswell. Like fx currently does. The only difference will be there will be some expensive zens that actually "compete" with broadwell-e. The win you might see out of it is if cut down zens are still unlocked and cheaper than i5 ks.
If zen is locked then frequency on disabled core processors will be controlled anyway.
>>51791239
I don't like wasting electricity.
>>51791239
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY 10 CORE EXCAVATOR AM4 PROCESSOR?!
AMD is fucking garbage. Everything they make is absolutely, objectively crappy as shit and only a fat neckbeard would buy this shit-tier crappy shit because he's afraid of running out of autismbux (because God forbid he spend less money on Taco Bell and Mountain Dew.) I tried building an AMD gaming rig once and it was the worst experience of my life. First off, that CPU clip is fucking impossible to use. It looks just like an old Pentium CPU clip, but it's autistically retarded and I couldn't deal with it. And the graphics card was so fucking huge, I had to cut a hole all the way around my case to fit it in. Fucking AMD.
But wait, that's not even the best part! When I tried to start up my shitty autismbox (which I sold to the Association of Retarded Citizens BTW) the absolutely massive power draw dimmed every light in my house and throughout the entire neighborhood like I was firing up fucking ENIAC in the 1920s or some bullshit. I had plenty of time to worry about my power bill too, because this shitty thing couldn't figure out which of its 32 CPU cores to use and it took half a day to boot. As soon as I tried to play a game (fucking Starcraft from 1998), it lagged so hard it went backwards. I thought I should try downloading a driver, but there aren't any. There are no fucking drivers. What the shit, AMD? No wonder Apple doesn't use your shit. It wasn't long after that that I realized this thing was putting out more heat than a goddamn jet engine and it burned my house down.
Two weeks later, when I sold that piece of shit, I built an Intel/Nvidia rig! Holy shit, it's like jacking into the Matrix! I built it 5 years ago and it still runs every game in 4K at 240 FPS while using no power and it actually cools my house during the summer. What a beautiful machine, I seriously hope none of you are poor and stupid enough to buy AMD.
>>51793582
Why would they do that when Zen is coming out 5 months later?
>>51793656
Amd is life
>>51793368
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PQYdyc
I hope you have a psu already non.
>>51793658
Zen for desktops will not come out before Q4 2017.
>>51793710
Even at that I'll still have my i5 4690k
>>51793710
sauce = your ass.
CFO confirmed desktop Zen for late 2016 just a couple days ago. Server and APU Zen in early 2017.
>>51793658
ppl need warm up
>>51793710
Q4 2016-Q1 2017
>>51793787
>>51793800
We will see. AMD is not known for keeping promises about release dates.
>>51793823
They're not known for keeping promises about performance either, or any promises for that matter.
There will be dead sea levels of salt on release.
>>51793823
They can't keep their drivers straight, what makes you think that they'll keep that promise?
I wouldn't mind the FX if they updated the chipset and arch and I wouldn't mind the APUs if they went beyond 2 CPU modules. But they didn't.
>>51791239
But I am, anon. Building a computer for Christmas with an Athlon 860k CPU, to finally move away from this old Dell with a Q6600.
>>51793823
>>51793842
>>51793861
>Intel fags this desperate because of the Cannonlake delay
I am really excited for Zen. They've learned from GCN in designing Zen, for sure.
Zen is coming out in Q1 2016
Waiting for Zen.
My old core 2 duo does everything i need.Maybe next year.
R8 muh AMD build guys!
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/TQJfXL
>>51793955
Kek, nice source
>>51793955
Zen compatible boards are coming in Q1 2016. We still don't know when will Zen itself come
>>51794035
Deprecated/10
>>51794065
They're not going to sell the boards without a CPU to put in it. Mark my words, we'll see a ZEN cpu in H1 2016
>>51794035
Get an FX-6300 almost as fast but much cheaper.
Use boxed cooler.
Get a 250 GB SSD then you will not need a HDD.
Do you really need a $113 case?
>>51794035
wtf is team DARK.
>>51794102
AMD have AM4 APUs coming next year as well.
>>51793656
Dude I'm crying laughing. Thank you.
>>51793861
Simple, if they fuck up Zen they will be bankrupt unmemetically. Reports are it is taped and tested, reaching all expected performance goals. If they fuck and can't deliver, CPU division is done for and nobody would care anymore. There is no reason to doubt them at this point for release date though, Q4 2016 is a pretty conservative target. They had plenty of time to switch to 16nm fab
>>51793842
They glossed Bulldozer for multithread performance and delivered on that, nobody thought they would fuck up single thread performance that bad though.
>>51794102
They are going to sell Excavator based APUs on AM4.
>>51794189
>They glossed Bulldozer for multithread performance and delivered on that, nobody thought they would fuck up single thread performance that bad though.
It didn't help GloFo fucked them on the node. Bulldozer was designed to be a speed demon - 5ghz+ clocks. Alas said fuckery meant the resulting chips were nuclear infernos at such clocks but by then it was too late to do anything.
>>51794035
>750W PSU for single GPU
>8GB RAM in almost 2016
>meme case
>380x when 4GB 380 is $40 cheaper
Better make a real budget build (8GB RAM, FX-6300 overclocked hard, R9 380, cheaper case, 600-650W PSU, no SSD) and save the money so you can upgrade sooner. Don't build such a half arsed system that's going to be obsolete in 2 years anyway.
>>51791968
>he 290 and 390 have the same TDP and similar power consumption
WUT
>>51791985
>None of 970 are stock in reviews because they are already running boost clocks
>970 = costum 970
rrright
>>51792336
>390 ain't an overclocked 290
The the same ship...
>>51794268
Funny how they didn't manage to make 'speed demons' out of any of the iterations of it then.
Just accept it, AMD are incompetent fucks who let software design their chips instead of engineers.
>>51794345
custom 390s sell with higher clocks than custom 290s and have more overclocking potential so they definitely are better chips. The 390 also idles with then fans turned off, which the 290 couldn't.
Not to mention 390 comes with double memory and a noticeable boost in memory bandwidth.
>>51794345
>rrright
There is a reason why every 970 has a higher TDP than the reference design (and why there are virtually no reference 970's in existence).
>>51794398
Vishera is still quite an improvement over bulldozer, but the fixes needed simply could not happen.
>>51794433
Bulldozer and all its iterations are lemons, Zen is most likely going to follow this trend.
Why the fuck do you think the guys AMD brought back left in such a hurry?
>>51794459
> Zen is most likely going to follow this trend.
Based on what, bulldozer and vishera? All of AMD's other chips are of a different design aimed for low power usage and are highly competitive against intel's offerings. In fact bulldozer/vishera are the one ones out in AMD's cpu history - most of the shit they make is good competition to intel.
>Why the fuck do you think the guys AMD brought back left in such a hurry?
That is becuase you have absolutely no clue how CPU design works and why people with that sort of talent aren't need for the length of the project.
>>51794522
Rats aren't needed to keep sinking ships afloat either.
>>51794459
If you're talking about Keller, that's because if you didn't know already that's what he does. Joins. Does something. Leaves. Repeat at new company.
>>51794545
Once a CPU design is finished you don't keep the designer around to get it to market. The last time Keller worked at AMD he left several years before his designs came to market.
>>51794522
>That is becuase you have absolutely no clue how CPU design works and why people with that sort of talent aren't need for the length of the project.
I guess Intel doesn't have any clue about CPU design either, because all their best people keep staying.
>>51794433
>oc costumes 970 perform like stock 970
>>51791239
I'm building a poorfag friend an all AMD pc for xmas. I decided to swap out my gtx970 for the radeon r9 380 I got him. Even with the massive cooler it has, it runs like 10C higher at idle. I tried playing fallout4 and I had FPS drops everywhere. I could understand if I was running a high resolution, but only @ 1080p on the latest crimson drivers and it ran shitty.
>amd
not even once.
to be honest I'm waiting to see what zen does. If its pretty good my next rig might use it. Doubt it though :/
I do appreciate them giving intel "competition", because its better for the market, but other than that someone needs to get them off life support.
>>51794647
Intel 1) can afford to keep top people on and 2) Intel work on considerably more chips than AMD does. Even ignoring that Intel (like IBM) is an R&D powerhouse.
>>51794418
>The 390 also idles with then fans turned off, which the 290 couldn't
my 290 is idleing at 40c with the fans off. To not do so it would have to idle at 85c. Quit being ridiculous.
>>51794345
it being a modified version of the same chip doesn't mean its overclocked. Explain how its relevant or in any way discredits the comparison between cards.
>>51794035
>msi mobo
done fucked up son
>>51794782
Which brand?
All 390 brands idle with the fan off even in multimonitor use.
>>51794035
>paying $160 for a cpu that was just $128
must be nice having so much extra money that it literally makes you retarded
>seagate hard drive
ayy fucking lmao
>msi mobo
into the trash it goes.jpg
>>51794841
>>51794889
Are all MSI mobos trash or just AMD ones?
>>51791796
>as VRAM requirements increase in the next few years
>Implying any manner of poorfag won't upgrade to a 16nm GPU that's cheaper, quieter and offers much more performance in the next few years
>being stupid enough to future proof
>b...b....but I can run 4k slideshows at slightly better framerates than Nvidia. AMD WINS LOL
Never change, AMDumbs
>>51793921
>desperate because of Cannonlake delay
>Intel hasn't improved anything major since Sandy Bridge because AMD is such an epic fuckup it can literally die shrink to infinity and still beat it at performance in every price point.
>>51791239
Because I am a proud American
>>51795280
[EAGLES INTENSIFY]
>>51794985
The AMD motherboards from msi have a rep (note: confirm this yourself with research) for blowing vrms when pushed.
>>51793656
>Stumped by the cpu clip
Yeah, youre fucking stupid. Don't blame AMD.
>>51791239
It's just not the way it's meant to be played.
>>51795382
on the older 970a chipset
>>51791499
>>51791723
the 970 easily outperforms the 390 if you compare them equally (factory oc vs factory oc)
in fact, the 970 scales so much better with even just a factory OC that it performs on par with the 390x, not a 390.
>>51796326
lol
waiting4zen
>>51796360
what's the point in comparing reference cards (which can't even be purchased any more) to AMD's factory OCed rebrands?
>>51796410
Do you not see the 290 on that chart? Since you asked however.
>>51792999
3 hours and no checkd?
>>51796565
>Do you not see the 290 on that chart? Since you asked however.
it still makes no sense to compare them considering the 290 hasn't been sold new for nearly 6 months now, the reference 970 has pretty much not been sold since 1-2 months after it's introduction as well.
i suppose this is mostly the reviewers at fault rather than the resident AMD shills, nobody seems to review cards that you would actually buy and instead they review the reference cards they get sent when a card launches.
>>51796629
Not a single reviewer got sent a reference 970. They all good custom models and listed them as stock in their benchmarks.
>>51796780
>Not a single reviewer got sent a reference 970. They all good custom models and listed them as stock in their benchmarks.
[citation needed]
I was about to go Fx8320, but then there was a heck of a sale on the I5 Haswell..The price difference was too small. Got AMD GPU though..
>>51793656
>4k at 240fps
low quality bait
>>51794887
Its a tri-x in a two monitor setup, sitting 33c atm. At 1000/1300 it will run at something like 65c with 20% fan. The hottest it will get is 84c during overclock before the card becomes unstable.
Because they don't have anything to compete with my overclocked 4790k.
My gpu is AMD though.
>>51791847
I have an a10 5800k. So far it has been a nice little chip.
>>51791847
>The Athlon 860k outperforms all desktop i3s though.
Sure it does.
>>51797247
Did the driver updates boost performance for your apu? I'm thinking of building a desktop with the a8 7600 apu the tripfag was talking about.
>>51797328
>ubisoft in charge of programming
>only 2 threads can be used efficiently
God damnit.
>>51796629
>shows new game with 390 ahead of 970
>3-300 series doesnt count!
>shows new game with 290 ahead of 970
>2-290 is old it doesnt count....all 970s losing in benches are ref!
kek
>>51791239
Already on that train, brother!
>>51791601
But isnt GTA needs more CPU power than GPU?
What's your processor anon?
>>51797339
No idea friend. I bought it on sale a year ago last month and just now used it in a small family room type pc for watching movies mostly. If youre going to be gaming mostly I recommend high quality memory. The apus rely on ram a ton. Ive even heard of them getting 30-40 fps with high quality ram and no gpu if you believe it.
>>51797376
>>2-290 is old it doesnt count....all 970s losing in benches are ref!
not the guy you're replying to but that's actually true, pretty much every review that uses a non-reference 970 has shown it to be superior to the 290 and 390
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_970_STRIX_OC/28.html
>>51797549
Is Palit Jetstream 970 really better over that?
>>51796629
The reference model already boosts up to 1178mhz:
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-970/specifications
Most aftermarket Models go up to 1300 at most. This isn't taking the cake - and if we talk about custom overclocks, aftermarket 390s can do that too. Maybe less, but an overclock regardless.
Here's one from November 2015, over 18 Games (Scroll down for specific results), where a 1266mhz 970 beats the stock 1000 mhz 390 by whopping 2%:
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-11/radeon-r9-380x-asus-sapphire-test/2/
Card clocks listed:
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-05/grafikkarten-testverfahren-testsystem/2/
Stop being butthurt about the 390. Your 970 isn't as much of the holy grail you believe it to be.
>Inb4 hardocp benchmark with 5 selected games
>>51797549
The benchmark posted in your link is a custom overclock, and only tests Battlefield 3. It is definitely not enough to reference a superior performance. It is also from September 2014, and thus relatively outdated. See >>51797727
>>51797549
>Test from 2014
>Ignoring driver updates
>Pretending 290 can't be overclocked
>Pretending 290 is even the 970 competitor
>>51797784
>The benchmark posted in your link is a custom overclock, and only tests Battlefield 3.
read the entire review, retard
>>51797889
>>Test from 2014
read the entire review, retard
>>Ignoring driver updates
if you actually think AMD's driver are improving performance in games from two+ years ago, you're delusional. if you think overwise, provide a source.
>>Pretending 290 can't be overclocked
relative to the 970 no hawaii chip will overclock anywhere near what maxwell can do (>30% without a voltage increase)
>>51791239
Because they don't make any good processors for microsystems. I do a lot of microcomputers which is a lot of ARM or Intel Atom.
>>51798083
>microcomputers
You mean... a regular computer? That's what microcomputer means.
Incidentally, now that I'm done being pedantic, AMD does have an ARM license. Check out the Opteron A1100. Wait, that was still pretty pedantic, wasn't it?
>>51798034
>relative to the 970 no hawaii chip will overclock anywhere near what maxwell can do (>30% without a voltage increase)
The 970 performs worse per clock, as linked in >>51797727 (970 1266mhz 102% of a 1000 mhz 390)
As such, a 970 will also need a higher overclock to outperform it.
>read the entire review, retard
Pic related. Deactivate yourself.
>>51798250
>The 970 performs worse per clock
explain why it's performing on par with a 390x once OCed then
>Pic related. Deactivate yourself.
the date that review was published on has nothing to do with the fact that the 970 is objectively a better performing and better value card over the 390.
Fx6300 planning on getting an i5 4690k
>>51798456
The fuck? I'm VERY sure I was starting a new thread.
>>51798034
>provide a source
see >>51797889
>>51798383
970 performance doesn't scale linearly with core clock. It's probably bandwidth starved.
Hawaii scales more linearly with clock rates. Even a mildly OCed 390 outperforms a 390x in a lot of games. Pic related is at 1090MHz. Most 390 go to 1150, even 1200. (15-20% over stock 390, 20-25% over stock 290)
>>51798034
>relative to the 970 no hawaii chip will overclock anywhere near what maxwell can do (>30% without a voltage increase)
http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-geforce-geforce-gtx-980-video-card-review_150547/17
an excellent bin 970 clocked at 1530mhz and 1.212 vddc. He gets a 13178 firestrike graphics score.
pic related my sapphire 290 tri-x stable at 1175 mhz and 13560 graphics score.
>>51794106
>Get a 250 GB SSB then you won't need a HDD
>>51798383
>explain why it's performing on par with a 390x once OCed then
Where does it perform on par with an OC'ed 390X? I posted a recent source with 17 games (>>51797727) where a 1266mhz 970 barely beats the 1000mhz 390, how hard is this to understand?
>the date that review was published on has nothing to do with the fact that the 970 is objectively a better performing and better value card over the 390.
Yes it has, because there might've been some driver updates with improvements, and it also doesn't even list the 390s - not to mention just being one game, which is nowhere near enough sample size - my point still stands. (The rest of the review doesn't include the shown custom OC.)
And speaking about "Objectively", you didn't prove shit. You're just some butthurt Nvidia shill who can't accept that his beloved 970 isn't the holy grail you believed it to be.
>>51798513
As a GTX 970 owner and nvidia fanboy, I think the 390 is a great competitor to the 970 and its good to see AMD pitting a good fight
>>51798958
>Where does it perform on par with an OC'ed 390X?
in this review: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/10/26/xfx_r9_390x_double_dissipation_core_edition_review/1
>>51798535
>muh synthetic benchmarks
buzz off roy
>>51791276
going strong for 2+yrs.
>>51799368
>hardocp
first he favors gameworks games, then he fiddles with the settings until you can't compare performance properly and then he picks a very high overclock to compare with an average overclock.
>>51791276
Most underrated chip ever. Has actually gotten stronger as more software incorporates multiple cores, the same thing that got AMD mocked back in 2011
>>51799368
>Hardocp cherrypick
Oh, this again...
Okay m8, let's analyze our sources:
Your source has 5 titles, 4 of them being Nvidia Gameworks titles with a clusterfuck of settings on the upper benchmarks (sometimes lower ones on the 970), and even the "Apple to Apple" comparison also including specific options, such as High on TW3 with Hairworks on low, but GTA V pretty much being Ultra presets with FXAA.
My source >>51797727 has 18 titles, 3 of the hardocp ones included. (GTA V, TW3, Far Cry 4) 15 additional titles with both several Gameworks and Gaming Evolved titles included. TW3 and Far Cry 4 also show the 970 being nowhere near a 390X - but they're also using different settings (The GTA V result is similar), mostly presets and 1080p (Where Maxwell is actually supposed to perform even better, actually):
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-05/grafikkarten-testverfahren-testsystem/5/
Your source looks pretty cherrypicked for me. I also have more games, and if we speak about reputation, Computerbase is one of the most reputable hardware sites in germany, so no bullshit there. On page visits Alexa shows it being ranked 4262, opposed to hardocp's 22222:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/Computerbase.de
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/hardocp.com
On top of that, here's some other sources on the 970 vs 390 topic, and these are just some with an average index score:
http://www.tweakpc.de/hardware/tests/grafikkarten/xfx_radeon_r9_380x/benchmarks.php?benchmark=pfd
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_380X_Strix/23.html
http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/grafikkarten/amd-radeon-r9-380x/test/amd_radeon_r9_380x,953,3239443,3.html#performance-rating
>>51799368
>muh synthetic benchmarks
>buzz off roy
kek, stumped.
>>51799891
XD nice meme man
>>51799761
I love how the only sane reply gets ignored
>>51799908
It's probably the same guy shitposting the same 970 > 390/X shit on /g/ for weeks now, his writing style (generally very baiting replies with "AMD shill" upfront in his first post, "retard" and "delusional" common in responses, the same Battlefield 3 benchmark attached) and the hardocp review as only, commonly linked source pretty much hints towards that - I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was the case.
Just wait until he comes up with some other bullshit. He seems to have a lot of free time, but so do I. :^)
My 4690 was a better buy
>>51793368
De tot cacatu
>>51796360
>>51796565
>posting the only 2 games that run very very slightly better on amd hardware
Why do AMDrones always need to prove a point? Why can't they just play the damn games and enjoy it without constant shit posting about how their graphics card beats another card by 1fps?
Seriously it's like all they do is buy games to mess around with the graphics settings to benchmark the game so they can post said results on the Internet instead of playing the fucking game.
Well, I prefer higher performance, lower power consumption and decent motherboards with features past 2005 for a bit higher price.
>>51795280
Is this part of that 'detect the early signs of hacker youth in your children campaign'?
What should i get something as powerful as i5 4460 but not too overpriced?
>>51791239
I actually need single thread and floating point performance, and prefer quiet PCs.
I would have bought AMD if they don't support Islamification.
>>51792367
I never understand this logic when both Intel and nVidia simply make better products than AMD.
>>51795257
>implying this is AMD's fault.
>implying Intel hasn't jacked everyone, including their own customers
You get what you pay for. There's a reason why most datacenters use Intel CPUs, and it's not because of some vendor lockin. Given the choice, Intel Xeons will rape Opterons from many metrics. Since today's world revolves around virtual machine infrastructures, why would you go with inferior CPUs with worst TDP? The marginally added cost is well worth it.
but i have
>>51802481
Do you understand what a monopoly is? They could ramp up the prices 10-fold and you would be forced to pay them.
>>51791239
If zen delivers I'm back full on mad (mad Gpu atm)
>>51802543
Not him but who cares .
I'll happily pay extra for much superior performance. Nothing that amd produces can come close to my 4790k and 980 ti
>>51802606
860K + 380 > 4790K +980 ti
and it only costs a quarter.
>>51793044
your setup makes my pussy wet
>>51802481
>I never understand this logic when both Intel and nVidia simply make far worse performance:priced products compared to AMD.
I enjoy not having shit performance.
>>51802443
Damn. No answers. No need to change then
>>51802748
That's good on you there, friend! I'm sure your high school friends are extremely jealous of the i7-6600k and GTX 970 your mummy bought you just so you could play your cutesy little CoD games! :')
>>51802443
i5 6500
>>51792019
Hmm that few fps gain is the difference from a medium to high end processor.
>>51802777
>projecting this hard
I actually have a job and bought my PC.
Better luck next time NEET.
>>51802777
trips for truth
always have had an amd cpu, always will
fuck jewtel with their hw backdoors and drm bullshit
>>51802801
>I actually have a job and bought my PC.
so chores and good boy-points?
>>51802818
>still trying
kek
>>51802801
NEET. That's a good one. I'll be sure to remember that when I'm not overlooking 30 employees.
But that's good on you there new-friend. How long did it take to save up those little penny's? Fuckin' wanker. Get your head out of your ass.
>>51802824
>amdkek
>picture of an obese kike
fix your shit, mane
No need to switch when I'm still using my trusty old Phenom 2 x4 965
>>51793044
>4 times the power draw of a stock intel
>still slower
which benefits video encoding more; hyperthreading or actual cores?
Reminder to buy Windows, Intel CPUs and Nvidia GPUs only, all the time, and tell your friends too.
>>51791239
>housefires
>>51791239
but i already use FX8350
>>51796360
I just bought a 380x but jesus christ FPS charts with fractions in them piss me off.
>>51802917
Good advice right here.
>>51802917
>buy windows
Who tf BUYS windows in 2k16?
>>51791239
Nothing they offer is better than my 2500K
>>51802917
This unironically. Anything else is for poors.
I've never ovned jewtel or a nividiot card
And 4life senpai
>>51803025
This, haven't even overclocked yet.
>>51792191
I just bought two sticks of 4GB 2133 for 50euros. For some reason RAM is really inexpensive in Europe, even DDR4 is cheaper than DDR3. Conversely, PSUs and Intel CPUs are a lot more expensive here.
>>51791239
AMDs CPUs are dogshit.
Anyone telling you otherwise is a fucking deluded fanboy.
Sure AMDs CPUs at below 100 can compete with intel because they have more cores but as soon as you enter i5 4460 territory and go beyond AMD is non existent. So sure if you're poor and have to buy a FX 6350 or X4 860K go for it. I myself built such a PC from my 5 year old nephew. Also in that PC I got an AMD GPU a R7 370.
But if you wanna be anywhere near any games today a i5 4460 is a must.
Now AMDs GPUs are another story and they pretty much outcompete Nvidia at every level except the 980Ti one.
I myself got a R9 390 over a 970. But really they're equal and I would have gladly went with the 970 if it was cheaper at my shop then a R9 390 but it was 20€ more expensive.
>>51791239
But I have.
>>51802868
>slower
Excuse me anon, adults are talking.
>>51803257
AMD does better in 4k, which at this point is the only meaningful thing.
Inb4 angry poorfag who can't afford proper 4k
>>51803279
At 4k cpu is basically irrelevant.
>>51803257
Like that other guy said as the red goes up the fps gap gets bigger
And will soon come out with something that makes its CPU and GPU work together to boost profarmance hopefully with zen
>>51803318
>And will soon come out with something that makes its CPU and GPU work together to boost profarmance hopefully with zen
Magical thinking, everyone. Look and laugh.
Also it's 'performance'.
>>51803336
>HSA
>>51803336
>magical thinking
Its going to happen, just you watch
Thanks for correcting my spelling senpai
>>51791239
Because I am a manchild and Muh games.
If I wanted a Office-PC or a Internet/Multimedia-PC I would buy AMD.
And probably just use integrated graphics as well.
>>51803373
>Its going to happen
I've heard that before.
CUDA and OpenCL can both do HSA, if there's any performance to be gained there, what makes you think AMD will matter?
>I spent $300 more for 5 extra FPS
Why are Intel fanboys such Keks?
>>51803268
Wow. And the FX-9590 is almost only half the price of the i7 3960x
Who on Earth buys Intel CPUs???
>>51803390
and nvidia desu senpai
>>51803401
To be fair the sort of workloads where you need a 3960x is the sort of workload where it will eat as much cpu resources as you can throw at it.
>>51799630
>underrated
i'm willing to bet that it's one of most popular desktop CPUs right now, definitely not underrated
>>51803389
Its the apple mentality they make GPUs and CPUs
>>51803389
CUDA is proprietary freedom hating software and, as such, detrimental to society and all that is good on Earth.
>>51803523
Get out of here, comrade.
>>51791599
Why are you lying on purpose?
>>51803268
>>51803530
Stallman aside openCL is gaining a lot of traction recently and AMD crushes Nvidia at it.
>>51791276
>all these 8350 bros
>pulling over 100w through pcie
