>every candidate has plans on limiting Internet freedom
>>51742796
MCAFEE 2016
>Implying you have ever been "free" when living in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie
>>51742902
Mah nigga
>>51742796
Even Rand?
>>51742796
every candidate supports israel, even the far left
what the fuck america do you even politik
>>51742796
explain pls
>>51742902
/thread
>>51742902
this, desu
>>51743059
OP probably never heard about him
>>51743059
This
>>51743059
I'm sure OP just couldn't see him behind the podium.
>>51742902
This desu senpai.
The proletariat must rise up and only then we may no longer suffer.
>caring about politics when there are thousands and thousands of manga books to read and anime episodes to watch.
>>51742902
>unaware that Jew capitalists funded communist revolutions that killed millions of Ukrainians/Russians/Hungarians and were trying to pull out the same revolutions in Germany
Communism vs Capitalism is a scam of massive proportions.
>>51743386
There have been capitalists/owners that also genuinely believe in Socialism. Friedrich Engles is a classic example.
>>51743075
America has almost as many Jews as Israel, and our fundamentalist Christians believe that Israel needs to survive to kick off the apocalypse. It's a weird combination.
>>51742796
Hitler didn't have any plans to limit internet freedom!
So vote Hitler!
>>51743075
>far left
what? where?
>>51744200
Hitler is dead.
So better vote for The Death because it's cooler than Hitler.
>>51742902
/thread.
but bourgeoisie is a stupid name, and shouldn't be use nowadays. But whatever, we all know what you mean.
Fuck politicians, fuck big companies, fuck banks, fuck the system. This shit should be destroy for the sake of everyone in the world.
COP21 ? why not fix the real issue with this world and destroy capitalism and stop this fucking consumerism society ? Maybe we will have less factories polluting the world and make less trash.
I still don't know why the fuck our countries are fucking around in middle east for no fucking good reason. They are killing themselves ? and what ? if they are stuck to middle age, let them do wars if it's not a treat for us. Then they cry about wars and terrorism.
François Hollande is hiding his incompetence behind wars. Actually he is the president that made the most wars in France.
I fucking don't get it. They are fucking everything the society have and finally they want to destroy the last good thing we have : internet. Why ? What they'll get by doing that ? what the fuck they are looking for ? They know it's not useful to stop wars and terrorism so why they want to control the internet ? If someone could explain me that. The only people that would want something like that would be a dictatorship. Yeah sure, we're under what we can call a dictatorship, but not has the one people could live in the 20th century or even nowadays in some countries. Why ?
fuck it. I should go in /pol/ yeah, but it's a place full or racist kids that think they know about life.
>>51744961
/pol/ is mostly normalfags and edgelords, it stopped being ironic a long time ago.
>>51745026
or maybe stupidfags ?
But I guess it's what you get from a place filled with amerifats (mostly)
>>51742796
Just vote for Rand.
Ban the tools of Jihad! Death to Facebook and Twitter NOW!
>>51744129
Why would they want an apocalypse ?
> Jews gonna get errybody killed
> Let's help them survive
Lolwut
>>51745155
Because they get to go to Jesus.
>>51742796
I'll just leave this here.
https://youtu.be/uG3hErUosy4
>>51744961
>Why ? What they'll get by doing that ?
it's an unholy alliance. Most of the electorate is scared and ready to get on their knees and say "Yes, master, whatever you say must be done to keep me safe!" Most of the politicians, both right and left, are, of course, in favor of anything that would increase the government's (i.e., their) power over the people they govern.
Together those two blocs shall enslave the rest of us.
>>51745190
this desu senpai
>>51742902
>/g/ bein genuinely socialist
W-what ? Does /pol/ know about this?
>>51745315
Most of this board worships richard stallman, does it honestly surprise you this board has socialist/marxist leanings?
>>51743075
>Far left
>Guy, that would be considered mildly left social democrat in every other western country since '45
Whatever werks for you, Murica.
>>51742796
>be in military.
>people seriously want Trump to win.
>MFW
>>51745346
>richard stallman
It honestly does. Most people have some kind of schizophrenia, that leads them to believe in internet freedoms, open source and right for (digital) education, but that does not mean, that they would hold those same very same principals in questions like public education, workplace or the political system at large.
>>51742796
How can Burgerland be LESS free?
Isn't it only 2 companies that in most cases don't share the same markets?
>>51745430
>be in military.
>people seriously want Trump to win.
>That fucker knows how to send us into another 10 year conflict. I ll vote for that man!
>>51745346
it is that and libertarianism that is pervasive in the FLOSS community.
>>51745476
>Be grunt
>nah I'll pass senpai, this shit sucks.
>>51745370
Anywhere else in the world even Obama would be considered center right
>>51745488
Libertarians are known to be socially left so both go hand in hand to a degree
>>51744961
I like the old term "The Propertied Class" because it describes the Bourgeoisies in simple English and makes a clear distinction between Private and Personal property (Like the common myth that "communists want you to share your toothbrush!")
>>51745346
The annoying thing about RMS is that everything about his ideology screams communist or an-com but instead he identifies with the dipshit American Libertarian movement because "Communism is a dictatorship" (wtf?).
Oh well, Free Software is still a beautiful example of utopian Socialism in action.
>>51745613
>he identifies with the dipshit American Libertarian movement
What? Stallman supports the green party.
>>51745457
well it is true that the everyday world and the realm of software are very different. Stallman's rather communist leanings make much more sense in software, where, once it's produced, it can be duplicated at no cost. Scarcity doesn't control things like it does in the real world, and scarcity is what market capitalism is founded on. Stallman has a point in this particular realm, but not in the world at large.
>>51742796
>Every canadite has plans on limiting freedom
Fixed that for ya
>>51745476
>so vote Hillary, who voted for the Iraq war
>>51745626
This. Stallman is a massive statist. His political opinions reek of a life lived sheltered in academia.
>>51745626
I bet he was thinking of Eric Raymond
>>51745697
>getting Raymond mixed up with Stallman
The absolute madman.
>>51745686
In comparison to the people that currently run the country, Stallman is much more libertarian so at least there's that.
>>51743075
Read up on the AIPAC.
If they don't support Israel, they don't get the big bucks that said organization gives them to fund their campaign. Interestingly enough the bipartisan structure of America's politics is held up by literal jews looking to get more money into Israel from both sides.
>>51744961
Wow, you have no idea what you're talking about at all. It's basically just an incredible rant against people who you consider to be bad because they have more monetary power (thus actual power) than you.
It's not "big companies", not "the system", not "the bourgeoisie" in some insane cooperative illumnati plot to destroy the "we iz just poorz manz da system is against us".
It's the MONETARY SYSTEM that the entire world has, which is inherently flawed. It's actually where your "consumerist society" comes from. We (commercial banks backed by the central banks) have been creating large amounts of paper dollars out of thin air. People spend that increase of dollars and you get increased production to satisfy the demand and increase the profits. Of course this even has a negative effect on the value of said dollar.
Big and powerful companies/people aren't inherently bad, many can even greatly improve the quality of society. What you need to watch out is actual scams imo.
>>51745797
good post
>>51745196
>that would increase the government's (i.e., their) power over the people they govern.
but how they'll use all those data ? Can they seriously use them to make a better politic campaign and have more vote ?
>people who you consider to be bad because they have more monetary power (thus actual power) than you.
didn't read the other part but I can tell you right now : no. I don't care of money in this way. What I mean by big companies, it's more about lobbies that pay our politicians or make pressure to be sure they won't pass some laws, or modify a lot of laws in favour of their interests. That's what I mean by "big companies". just look at the TPP for example. Big companies and banks have more power than our governments, that's a fact. If it wasn't true, politicians wouldn't do so many things in favour of them.
I don't care that their is big companies on the world, it can be a good thing, as you said, and can improve the quality of the society, we could see that during all those years. But when you see a company like microsoft (to stay on a /g/ related field) come in France and give millions of dollars for some bullshit reason in exchange of another contract with the Education minister to keep windows on public schools, without doing any call for bids and see if there is a better solution than windows and microsoft softwares, yeah I think there is an issue and I say fuck those companies.
When Apple can sell a fucking smartphone for 859€ and continue to close schools and force kids to works and pollute so much the world, yeah there's an issue somewhere.
Of course it doesn't come from the companies, and they play the game of money, but damn, I'm just mad when I see so many shit like that.
For me this world isn't taking the right direction, and when I see politicians making so much FUD during the COP21, I just laugh. Nobody believe they'll do something. Nothing will change with something like that.
>>51745797
the biggest part of my post was for >>51746129
>>51746129
>>but how they'll use all those data ? Can they seriously use them to make a better politic campaign and have more vote ?
A database of what all your citizens do online is something pollsters would kill for. With that kind of information, you know exactly how to pitch whatever policy you want to play into their hopes, fears, and tendencies.
>>51742796
For ISIS
This thread actually has some good content. And isn't just a sh*tfest.
>>51745430
I want him to win because the Left has crossed the threshold of insanity long ago. I still identify as a liberal, but progressivism is a cancer and needs to be fucking crippled.
>Obama has more mass murders during his administration than any other president.
>Has more terrorist acts during his administration than any other president
>Admonishes both law enforcement and due process
>Has the fucking audacity to blame both the bill of rights and the american people for his failure to maintain order
>Meanwhile, he continues endorsing one of the most backwards and savage religions to ever hit mankind
Supporting islam is the most anti-humanitarian thing anyone could do, Clinton/Sanders are only going to continue the trend that he has started.
>>51746761
>this is justification to support trump
am I being rused?
>>51746780
To be completely honest, I want Rand Paul to win, and I will vote for him if it comes to it. But frankly, I don't think he stands a chance. I genuinely think Trump is the only one that's aggressive enough to sabotage media bias.
He's the evil that Progressives have always wanted, and the don't know what to do now that he's here. And it is the most beautiful thing I have ever witnessed.
>>51746858
Rand does very well in the general against hillary believe it or not, so if he can just win the retarded gop nomination, we can truly make america great again
>tfw have to escape from /pol/'s hugbox to support Rand
We don't need to build a wall. Our government needs to GET A WARRANT.
>>51746129
>When Apple can sell a fucking smartphone for 859€ and continue to close schools and force kids to works and pollute so much the world, yeah there's an issue somewhere.
Isn't it obvious to you? The issue is obviously with the people who buy their smartphones for 859€.
Consumers set the prices not the other way around. If there is enough demand for it, any business will hike up the prices.
It's not even like IPhones are a necessity.
>>51742859
Not vote
>>51742902
>this is what /g/ actually believes
>>51743075
Every candidate atm is an internet-hating kike
>>51743041
>>51743091
>>51743096
>>51743229
>>51743386
>>51744961
>>51745315
>>51744961
Let me tell you a story when America first started voting you would go to the polls cast a vote and then they would hand you a receipt for your vote this became problematic because companies would buy votes and because you had proof of how you voted you can sell your vote the same applied for federal positions like Congress so they changed all that so votes couldn't be bought this is why when you vote you're not allowed to take a picture fast forward to 1976 they pass the sunshine laws which changes it back to where everyone can see how congressmen vote hell today when they vote it's instantly posted online so before the sunshine laws lobbying didn't happen and if it did happen you could take the money and just say yeah whatever I'll vote that way and then do the opposite and nobody knew so lobbying wasn't a big deal interesting enough shit went downhill from there I've heard that lobbying pays a ridiculous amount of money it's something like 5000 % gain on their investment
>>51745370
>implying society has shifted to the right
>>51747206
Depends if we use an absolute or a relative scale.
On an absolute scale, virtually every political party/entity, even Trump and LePen, does not exceed center.
On a relative scale, those political entities are far right because everything else (including the Republicans) is on the extreme left, and since the extreme left is the norm in the West, slight deviations to the right are dubbed as "shifting to the right".
>>51747284
>using the left right political paradigm from the 17th century
>>51742902
>talks about being free
>posts a commie Jew
gas yourself
>>51747311
Why shouldn't I use it? It makes the spectrum of political ideologies and parties simple to understand/visualize in comparison to others.
>>51742796
>not being right libertarian
Libtards, statists and/or socialist scum kindly >>>/reddit/
>>51746593
/pol/ didn't find it until later on.
which is odd since it had their idol as OP pic
>>51743303
>this sort of general apathy toward politics is why these fucks keep getting away with it
And we get exactly the government we deserve
>>51747154
What are you implying?
>>51747642
Intended for >>51747349
>>51747642
Now if only those enlightened leaders in Russia, China, Vietnam, North Korea, Poland, and all the other communist nations would have stumbled upon the notion that personal liberty and freedom includes the right to criticize political leaders without fear of reprisal from the state. Why does every communist state share this same totalitarian failing, I wonder.
>>51742796
So what? Most civilized countries are smart enough to realize free speech fundamentalism isn't something to be proud of. It's a relic from sheltered 18th century white dudes who have no idea what a modern society's needs are.
Australia, Germany, and the UK all have common sense legislation against harmful speech, and they are all freer than the US considering how many services they offer with no cost to citizens.
>>51747717
>common sense legislation against harmful speech
>there are people who actually think this is a good thing
>>51742902
>Talks about being free.
>Le Rosa Luxembourg faec
>>51742902
exactly
>>51747642
Pshaaa kid.
>>51747358
It vastly over simplified politics. Which is why such matters should never be left to the unwashed masses.
They want quick, consumable information, regardless of accuracies or truth.
>>51747717
>"common sense"
>"harmful speech"
>"people who frame countries don't think of the future"
You're an absolute moron.
>>51747717
>at "no cost"
There are liberal white cûcks who actually believe this.
>implying being enslaved to the state via services and welfare is freedom
>>51747717
>common sense legislation
I can't tell if you're endorsing or mocking censorship, and that terrifies me.
>>51747702
Do you think a homeless man says to himself, "At least I have my freedom of speech!" when he's sick and dying in the streets like millions of Americans do every day? Freedom of Speech is one of the most heavily fetishized things in Western nations, but in reality it's worthless. Oppressors won't stop oppressing because you can say bad things about them.
>>51742796
Trump is the last hope we have, he isn't paid off by anyone and funds his own rallies.
Hillary or Bernie, they'll just do the same thing to the internet if not worse while completely destroying everything else.
Literally going to kill myself if the democrats ruin this country for another 4 years, I am fucking tired of living in a kek'd country.
>>51747781
>Freedom of Speech is one of the most heavily fetishized things in Western nations, but in reality it's worthless.
>Oppressors won't stop oppressing because you can say bad things about them.
They sure as hell will pause when you use your free speech to tell everyone how much of a faggot they are and the pitchforks come through their front door the following evening.
If you don't want to be a collectivist, why are you participating in society?
Actually this is an interesting idea, what if all of society was collectivist and you could "opt out" of society to live in an individualist "society" that would be roughing it inna woods.
would the individualist society eventually get organized and reindustrialize and form a individualistic nation to compete with the collectivist world? How would it fair?
Would it be the duty of the collectivist societies to crush the individualistic nation before it could oppress it's own people?
>>51745488
very true
>>51747781
So do you assert that if a man has food, shelter, healthcare, and such, then you are justified in denying him freedom of speech? To send him to prison for criticizing his leaders?
Because it sounds to me that you are one of the oppressors, if you would deny him that right.
>>51747781
>Freedom of Speech is one of the most heavily fetishized things in Western nations, but in reality it's worthless.
Considering that I use Freedom of Speech every day to call insane people like you morons without legal repercussion, I treasure it very much.
>>51747819
>If you don't want to be a collectivist, why are you participating in society?
What a textbook false dichotomy.
>>51747781
>millions of Americans die everyday because of being sick and homeless
Reality check faggot, there are only 500,000 that are homeless in the US. And they get care centers and shelters.
The number one cause of death in this country is cardiovascular disease.
PEOPLE.
BEING.
TO.
FAT.
THAT'S RIGHT. WE ARE SO RICH, MILLIONS DIE FROM BEING TOO FUCKING FAT.
QUIT YOUR GODDAMN BITCHING.
>>51747791
>putting Bernie in the same category as Hillary
>>51747849
You're right.
Bernie is worse than Hillary, Bernie thinks he can actually win.
>>51747846
Even the homeless are obese.
>>51747830
If you are ruled by an oppressor, you put a bullet in their head. Writing mean words about them won't change a thing, and you live in a fantasy land and I can't help you if you think otherwise.
>>51747846
Do you realize the obesity epidemic is caused by poverty? So instead of starving to death you just get to die a slow and painful one over the course of years. Not much of an improvement.
>>51747859
I hope he does just to make moderate fags mad and fucking Repubs even madder
>>51747880
>obesity epidemic is caused by poverty
No, it's caused by being an uneducated moron and eating like shit. You can have a relatively healthy diet for cheap and not eat like a fucking fatass.
>>51743075
Trump went after Israel....kinda. He did tell AIPAC to fuck off.
That said, he went after the internet tonight, so fuck him.
>>51747880
In civilized countries we can have a public debate, and eject our leaders if we so choose, without recourse to war.
>>51747865
AND HAVE FUCKING CELLPHONES
Sure their life is not "the besf" but it is CERTAINLY better than dying in some third world shit hole full of ACTUAL corrupt leaders (instilled by us of course). Fucking communist faggots, the average middle class, Che-guvera wearing, white, mac brand toating, piece of garbage is benefiting from the system they detest, all the while they themselves are the ones that would be raped, pillaged, and murdered in the "uprising".
And the funny part is they will be killed by Mexicans, Niggers, Indians, and worst of all of them, white, racist, hillbilly, trash.
>>51747880
>we are so rich, poor people die of fatness
>but it's bad because it's slow and over time
you realize the primary goal in life is to survive as long as possible and reproduce?
Oh wait, I forgot, you deny all aspects of basic human nature.
>>51742796
Except Bernie Sanders wants the exact opposite of that. Not sure what you're getting at, OP.
>>51747791
Bernie Sanders' entire campaign is funded by donations from individual citizens with an average of $30. The entire point of what he's doing is in line with the values for which you just praised Trump. Also, as I just said in response to the other anon, Bernie is for net neutrality and cracking down on the absolutely ridiculous monopolistic keking the ISPs get away with right now. Do some actual research and reevaluate your frankly asinine point of view.
>>51747940
Yes, but will Bernie protect my right to shitpost offensively and torrent questionable porn?
>>51747883
The Republican and democratic party are dead next election.
Jeb and Hillary will get nominated and Jeb will win.
Then everyone will be fed up with it all and go independent.
The economy will crash and a great power struggle between the intermediary slew and range of communist garbage and a grab bag of neo-reactionaries and Nazis will struggle for political power.
>>51747940
OP said candidates, not jokes. Also Bernie's position on the internet conflicts with his support of BLM and similar groups that seriously want to restrict the internet. I wonder which would win out.
>>51747957
He sounds like the type who would support scrapping the First Amendment so as to ban "hate speech". With the government defining what that means, of course.
>>51747940
Would he also gut the NSA and other government surveillance, is what I'm curious about.
>>51747940
Bernie Sanders is funded by trade unions, and by the unwashed masses of white left leaning liberal shits.
Especially you, Mr. "High and mighty".
Trump is entirely self funded and can throw the piece of Socialist garbage into the trash can.
You don't understand, Bernie is a openly declared Socialist; something the right HATES and the independents dislike.
You MUST win the independent and some of the other votes to win, Bernie simply can't do it
>>51747979
In regards to the NSA, he'll talk big now and then do jack shit once in office. Just like Obama.
>>51742796
What's Trump's plan to limit the Internet?
>>51747993
Obama never talked as big as Bernie or took as much of a hardline stance. The shittiest thing about Bernie is his warmonger foreign policy which is why I'm going with Rand.
>>51747940
a. bernie has no chance as it is, hillary is going to get the democrat nomination, so keep dreaming
b. not going to vote for a socialist fucktard just because muh internet when hes going to literally fuck everything else up
c. hes a degenerate that wants to legalize weed
d. he thinks climate change is more important than sand niggers shooting up innocent people
e. if he cared so much about the fed he wouldn't have switched sides on a bill at the last minute to audit the fed proposed by Ron Paul
who in their right mind would honestly vote for this retard besides bernie shills on reddit?
>>51747965
The only thing funny about him is how underestimated he is. He is more electable than any other candidate right now by far.
>>51747979
He has called for ending the NSA.
He's the only fucking senator that voted against the patriot act, how fucking thick are you guys?
>>51748038
>Bernie "I'm a socialist" Sanders
>most electable
No. 70% of America won't vote for him based on that alone.
>>51748033
>legalize weed
>implying this is bad
/pol/ pls
>>51748055
then lets legalize blow while we're at it, no more harmful than alcohol if you have self control :^)
>>51748055
Stoner fags please go.
Go worship your godplant somewhere else.
>implying being opposed to narcotic usage is /pol/
>>51748033
omfg...wow
It's always interesting to see Americans in their full glory.
Have you ever done research on anything in your life? What the actual f*ck.
>>51748038
>He is more electable than any other candidate right now by far.
>>51748083
>f*ck
bernie shills everyone, as cowardly as the person they follow
>>51748038
>He is more electable than any other candidate by far
>this is what Bernie fags actually think
>>51748073
>blow
I actually have never heard of this drug before. Is that bad?
>>51748074
Throwing people in prison for smoking pot is ridiculous. It should at least be decriminalized.
>>51748114
No. It's not rediculous.
It endangers the public.
>>51748073
You know that marijuana is less chemically addictive right?
>>51748114
blow is slang for cocaine friend
>>51748114
Holy fuck how sheltered are you?
Blow = cocaine
>>51747992
Thanks for that riveting analysis Mr. Hannity.
>>51748114
Blow is cocain you godplant worshiper.
>>51748124
Except stoner fags can't seem to keep away from it nor stop shitposting about it defending the godplant and all its holiness
>>51748132
>>51748134
He's a white pot kiddie with no real experience in the world. Cut him some slack.
>>51748123
The worst pot does is make someone a lazy faggot that lives in their mom's house.
>>51748132
>>51748134
Really? Wow.
>>51748150
4chan is an 18+ website
>>51748145
>white
Nope
>pot
Nope
>no real experience in the world
Yes. 1/3 isn't too bad I guess.
>>51748124
that explains all the retards I use to associate myself with that couldn't go more than 30 minutes without puffing on a joint or smoking a bong
>>51748142
Your welcome Zuhkov.
Too bad Mark Levin is better.
>>51748150
Except when you start using it in public, attracting others to use a harmful drug, and create a cult of plant that already exists around it.
You'll see the same exact thing happen to the pot industry as it did with the tobacco industry.
>>51742796
#NetNeutrality
Reminder that the NSA actively tries to infiltrate and then fracture dissent movements with pointless arguments.
Reminder that it's happening right now in this thread.
So long as the state exists there is no freedom. When there is freedom, there will be no state.
>>51748175
Pot is always going to limited to stoner college kids that will either grow out of it or be losers anyway. Being legal isn't going magically make everyone run out and grab a joint.
>>51748123
>smoke/cook/vape weed at my home, by myself
>somehow a danger to the public
Did I accidentally go onto /pol/?
I'm not saying you should blow smoke into someone's face, but you're not a danger to society if you're getting high or growing in your own home.
>>51747940
Followup on my post because I'm still mad at you fucks for just listening to what you're told
All of the most convincing arguments I've seen against Bernie Sanders are poorly researched and/or based on a completely false premise or misrepresentation of his goals.
>>51747957
Based on what he has stated on the subject, I can only assume so. I'd do some research on his stance and see if you can glean any more info about that.
>>51747965
The general purpose of the BLM movement is to point out that minorities are inherently disadvantaged due to systemic racism in the too-recent past. This has absolutely nothing to do with controlling what people are allowed to say or post on the Internet. Every group has its idiots.
Also, if you actually think Bernie is a joke candidate, you should look into some of the polls that have been done. His popularity is on par with that of Clinton and Trump, and he has a disproportionately huge following among the younger generations of voters. CNN hosted a poll that resulted in something like an 80% favor for Bernie Sanders. They pulled it immediately and reported that Hillary had won. Time Warner funds Hillary's campaign and owns CNN.
>>51747979
"Sounds like the type" is a pretty shit argument. As far as I'm aware, he has never made a statement implying that he is against freedom of speech in any way.
He's opposed to mass surveillance and all of the bullshit the NSA has been pulling
>>51747992
You sure showed me with those hot opinions, boss. Good job on your misuse of quotation marks.
>>51748033
See above.
>>51748038
Yes.
Again anons, please do your own research. Do not take anything I say as fact - if you truly care about a topic, you can find the information yourself.
>>51748222
>systemic racism
Literally garbage.
>>>/reddit.
/lit/ and /pol/ pls go.
>>51748222
>him bailing on ron paul the last minute
>an "opinion"
check your facts and head back to reddit cuc.k
>>51748237
There is no doubt in my mind that you are both white (or pass as white) and easily influenced by your own fears. Your ignorance is blatant.
>>51748222
The only poll where Bernie is even close to popular is among young people. Who by and large don't bother to vote.
>muh CNN internet poll
Internet polls are completely meaningless. /pol/ managed to get an official CNN poll to claim Webb won. Bernie supporters can use bots, it's not particularly hard and CNN is too incompetent to stop it. Do you not remember how thoroughly 4chan rigged the Time person of the year award a few years ago? Of course you don't.
>The general purpose of the BLM movement is to point out that minorities are inherently disadvantaged due to systemic racism in the too-recent past
No, the general purpose of BLM is to institutionalize racism while complaining about racism.
>>51748033
Climate change is more important because it will result in at least a hundred more terrorist organizations if we don't reign it in.
Conflicts don't spawn out of ideological differences, they spawn from limited resources. Without proper funding in climate science, we will have insufficient resources for the entire global population in a couple decades.
>>51748050
70% of America doesn't know enough history to even think that's a bad thing. Only the 10% that remember their history classes but lack critical thinking skills will actually not vote for him based on that reason alone.
>>51748028
Bernie and Rand are equally against going to war in every scenario.
>>51748282
>Conflicts don't spawn out of ideological differences, they spawn from limited resources
Are you legitimately retarded?
>>51748222
>listen to what your told
And don't question anything right? Listen and believe?
>every argument except mine is I'll informed and wrong
Listen and... believe? Straw man?
>systemic racism
Garbage. BLM is nothing but a dindu nuffin organization.
>He polls highly with young voters
He is literally appealing to the smallest voting group in the world.
>He has never made an argument againts freedom of speech
He opposes "hate speech"
>more bait
How do you address
>>51748106
And pic related
Hang yourself yuppie.
>>51748271
I'm a Mexican hombre. Go fuck more nigger cock.
There is no such thing as "systemic racism", other than that there isn't equality of result because lazy ass niggers (and Mexicans) don't want to work.
Fuck yourself with a Christmas tree.
>>51748282
Climate change is not anthropogenic. And climate change does not cause the formation of terror organizations.
US intervention does.
>>51748291
Please give me an example of a war that was ACTUALLY caused by anything other than limited resources.
>>51748282
>Climate "science" research literally gets billions of dollars a year globally from every nation around the world
>they are underfunded
>this is what Bernie fags actually believe
>>51748318
Japan in WWII
America's involvement in Korean and Vietnam war
America's War for Independence
The War of 1812
>>51748282
>Bernie and Rand are equally against going to war in every scenario.
False.
Bernie supported the attack on Kosovo, many different attacks in Afghanistan, and he also supports the current bombing in the middle east. He's absolutely a warmonger like the rest of them.
>>51748318
>>51748333
Also the Civil war (at least according to liberals)
>>51748318
Punic wars,WW1, WW2, most wars in history desu.
Most wars are over desire of land, not the scarcity of it. That and political disagreements.
Pre-history and early history is a bit different story.
>>51748350
You've got to be careful with WWII - Germany's involvement was due to a lack of resources (they were straight up fucked by punishments from WWI). Italy and Japan? Not so much.
>>51748334
that's pretty weird considering he caved like a bitch and let two BLM women shut down his entire event.
>>51748222
>and he has a disproportionately huge following among the younger generations of voters
This is an awful, awful thing. Young people have not worked for anything, and thus they have nothing to lose.
That's exactly what's scary. Whenever a group decides to stage a revolution they ALWAYS use college aged or young people since they are so simple to mold. They have earned nothing, they have nothing to lose (or so they think). It happened in China, it happened in France with de Gaulle, and the list could go on and on.
Not surprising that we have large amounts of neo-bolsheviks running around US college campuses telling people to step down, with their leaders probably making some nice $100/hour from Soros or someone similar.
>>51748311
>Climate change is not anthropogenic
It absolutely is. Of course, the government can't really do anything about it unless everyone suddenly gets of the grid.
>>51748350
>>51748333
>>51748349
Land is a fucking resource.
>>51748363
Most of German reparations were not payed. They didn't have a lack of resources, they just desired all of them be under their control.
the dispute with Poland and Britians jelousy of having a strong central European power made them intervene.
>>51748371
It's quite debatable if climate change would be happening anyway. We're still in an ice age. The planet has not always been in ice ages.
>>51748380
Look up German hyperinflation. Their economy was in shambles.
>>51748378
You said over the SCARCITY of resources. Not the DESIRE, over them.
There are things I WANT and things I NEED.
>>>/his/
Learn some real history faggot.
>>51748333
>Japan in WWII
Japan bombed Pearl Harbor because of a US embargo on raw materials.
>America's involvement in Korean and Vietnam war
The Koreans and Vietnamese wanted public control of the means of production.
>America's War for Independence
Britain wanted to preserve their access to raw materials for their factories from the new world.
>The War of 1812
Ditto, except they also wanted the stuff they used to own in the US back.
>>51748349
Slaves were a form of property.
>>51748395
Those are involved, but not the main reasons.
Punic wars, WW1, WW2, Gaelic wars, and so on are mainly for political reasons or the desire to control more land (build the great empire), regardless of need.
>>51748395
>The Koreans and Vietnamese wanted public control of the means of production.
How is that scarcity of resources? That's a 100% ideological reason
>>51748392
>It's quite debatable if climate change would be happening anyway. We're still in an ice age. The planet has not always been in ice ages.
Climate change has actually been a good thing so far believe it or not. Irradiance from the sun has been on a decline for the past few decades. Without it, our climate would be quite a bit colder which makes harvesting crops and the like more difficult.
>>51748392
Hitler simply abolished the old currency and it fixed hyperinflation.
>>51748424
The means of production are a resource.
Factories don't just appear out of thin air: it takes a really long time to build up industrial infrastructure from nothing.
>>51748428
Wanna feel chilly anon?
>>51748438
But they were fighting for them for ideological perposes faggot.
You're making secondary objectives primary objectives.
They mainly fought for the unification of their country, like north Korea did.
>>51748438
But again, how is that a scarcity? It's the same factories with the same output, it's just a war over who within the company owns them.
And my statement was US involvement in those wars. Please tell me what resource the US was after in Vietnam.
>>51748455
Obviously the US wanted the rice to solve our rice shortage in the 60s anon, geez.
>>51748392
The point is not even whether or not we caused it, whether or not it's natural, or whether or not we can stop/reverse it. Those were literally last millennium ideas and proves that you know absolutely nothing about climate science beyond what you would gather from watching Fox News.
The point is that the climate is gonna change radically and, with it, our way of life. Crops are going to start growing differently and in different regions. Resources that used to be plentiful will become scarce, and vice versa.
It's not a fucking blame game, it's proactive planning for when shit hits the fan.
>>51748476
>climate change is absolutely anthropogenic
>it might not be and there's some evidence that it isn't
>well that's not even the point!
>>51748325
>get billions of dollars of funding
>no solution other than gibs me dats funding
>>51748492
I was the other guy you were talking to.
>>51748476
Is my first post in this thread.
>>51748492
Those are two different people anon. I'm the one who said that climate change is anthropogenic, but I have a "lukewarm" stance on its goodness or badness.
>>51748476
>Climate
>""""""""science""""""""
Quite literally, before climate """""""""science""""""" was invented, a Serbian Geologist formulated the most accurate and well known climate model that has held true historically and for the modern age.
That was 70 years ago anon... and he still hasn't been wrong.
>>51748511
I was not*
>>51748417
Utterly wrong. People don't just "do" things spontaneously, at least not smart ones. Check out Britain in 1900. It won both wars after, but hey, lost all that territory. So I guess winning wars is worthless to their expansion :^)
No, there's another motivation. It's called the dominance over central banking and resources. Countries and nations are no longer single entities, and haven't been for some while, they have no need for "territory"
>>51748528
The US controls the entire world through economic warfare, not out of nesseity but through desire.
Your original statement is false.
Most wars have a political and ideological reason.
>>51748511
Fair enough. But if the goal is working to plan and handle things as they change (and if at least some global warming is occurring regardless of human action) we're not doing that very well, and I have seen no candidate put forth plans to do so, including Bernie.
>>51748523
Right because once someone begins a field of science it just stops.
We should all just go home, Tesla already had it all figured out.
>>51743075
Chafee didn't support Israel and we saw how quickly he ended up out of the race.
>>51748557
"it was my first day!" didn't help
>>51748506
If you think a billion dollars towards climate change research is hilarious, just wait until you see all the social programs initiated in the US, and what a total money sink it was. In the end, it managed to make standards WORSE (such as in education).
Hint, it's exponentially more than one billion, all from the tax base.
>>51742902
Would you rather a dictatorship of the king?
>>51748417
>WWI
Control of the iron triangle.
>WWII
The Nazis wanted more land and oil, and the Japanese were pissed because of the US embargo.
>Gaelic Wars
Land.
>>51748523
Just because politicians and journalist have no idea what they are talking about doesn't mean scientists don't. Don't throw respectable climatologist under the bus.
>>51748551
No, but the thing is, he has yet to be wrong, a single time. This debacle with the climate was solved 70 years ago. His cycles are still completely accurate and within range.
We should actually see some rapid cooling here in about 50-100 years from my own calculations around here somewhere. (I'm a Geologist myself).
>>51748584
The Japanese entered WWII before the US embargo. The US embargo was reactionary. Nice try though.
>>51748543
You mean the candidate that has been talking about climate change as one of his top two platforms?
What plans do you want? The debates have asked maybe two total questions about climate science and Bernie has talked more about it than any other candidate. One of the number one things that people don't like about him is that he focuses too much on it.
>>51748543
Nobody wants to admit it, but there's really not much you can do. They'll all just say "fund green technology" which is fine by me if you cut stupid shit like drone strikes. But it's really just crossing your fingers that someone will come up with something.
>>51748585
In fairness, so far the IPCC has been ridiculously wrong.
I couldn't do better, but our top scientists in the field aren't exactly hitting it out of the park either.
>>51748585
Respectable climatologists were thrown under the bus for more funding.
I have no idea what you're accusing me of.
Respectable climatologists used data and references from Oceanographers, Meterologists, Physicists, Asto-physicists, Marine Biologists, Geologists, Quantum-physicists, and many other fields of science to draw conclusion.
Now they are law and God and have to result to "scientific """"""consensus"""""" to gain a cult of followers
>>51748607
Nice try yourself, dumbass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
>>51748619
His plans don't address "plan for potential changes and mitigate them". He just talks about carbon caps. Which doesn't help the problem if it's not all man-made
>>51748637
>Japan wasn't in WWII until Pearl Harbor
You cannot possibly be this dumb
>>51748619
As far as I know, Bernie has no solid plan on how to significantly "fight" climate change.
>>51748626
The IPCC is too heavily politicized to be trustworthy.
>>51748636
I'm just saying climate science is a legitimate field as long as you ignore all the political bullshit.
>>51748651
The US sure wasn't.
I already listed the motivations for the Nazis.
>>51748622
There is no such thing as green technology.
Solar and wind power do not provide an effecient, steady supply energy on demand, for a reasonable amount of space. They also do a massive amount of ecological damage.
Picture VERY related.
The only alternative is Nuclear energy.
>>51748668
And we've been talking about Japan entering WWII. Thanks for playing.
Also, just for shits and giggles, what scarce resource was the US going after in WWII?
>>51748670
Nuclear is arguably greenest technology, but yeah.
>>51748598
And once again, if you read my post here: >>51748476
you're completely missing the point! The focus of climate science has not been to predict the future for decades. No one fucking cares if he got it right 70 years ago that's not what anybody is trying to do. We haven't proven Alan Turing wrong yet either, I guess everybody can stop learning CS now.
>>51748670
gonna have to explain your pic
>>51748622
I think it's probably too late to stop any sort of man made climate change. In the end we can't overcome human nature (greed, excess, thirst for power at any cost)
The people in power will continue to fuck over the world and people like the retarded rightwing americunts will keep them there. Not to mention to actually make a difference, the whole world needs to be on board, and as far as I can tell the world has never been able to work together on anything in the whole history of mankind
It's getting awfully talk radio in here...
>>51742859
Write RMS on the ballot
>>51748706
Rebuttal to your picture: opportunity cost
>>51748704
Oh it's way too late, but viable solar energy would be nice to have.
>>51748698
Byproduct of Nedoynium mining, the "green" energy sector has MASSIVE reliance (hundreds of times that of any other sector) upon the rare earth metal industry.
And causes more ecological damage than natural gas, maybe even coal.
That is a giant field of slurry, a giant field filled with a slurry of toxic sludge that won't be habitable for thousands of years.
>>51748690
I like the Auzzie who goes on /news/ and owns climate freaks about their "green" energy.
He works for a non-poliferation company.
I also miss OPpenheimer.
>>51748692
The problem is, Alan Turing isn't being disregarded by an entire field of science. Milan is, they just say he is wrong and they can't disprove his variations.
>>51748706
There is a rebuttal image to this, mainly because this picture is nothing but a low ball attempt at false equivocation.
>green jobs
>"renewables"
There is no such thing as "green" or "renewable" energy.
>>51748670
>>51748722
Not denying that. It would be awesome to have a house that didn't need the grid. Doing that is almost viable today, as long as you keep energy usage to a minimum
>>51748759
Yeah but it's too expensive. Electricity esp. with natural gas is cheap as balls.
>>51748722
Solar energy "viability" is impossible.
Even if you increase its effeciency ten fold, twenty fold.
Takes up too much space,too expensive, causes massive ecological damage, and has too high of a matienence cost.
>>51748759
YES.
THANK YOU.
PLEASE, START SHILLING FOR LFTRS. ENERGY INDEPENDENCE FOR ALL.
Yes /g/, please!
I've been thinking, and I've realized we need to be rallying around John McAfee so that Trump will be confronted with the issue of internet privacy. I'll do my part and start posting about him on /pol/. I call upon you all to start supporting McAfee too.
>>51748716
yeah, sort of like, why brush your teeth since it wastes money/time.
it pays for itself in the long term the shit you avoid by taking preventative measures long before things spiral out of control and require drastic changes.
>>51748027
I will build a great, great firewall. It's gonna be YUGE.
>>51748782
kek
>>51748679
Iron I believe
Contrary to muh 1000000 times folded steel, japan had iron deficiencies throughout their militarized era and had to rely on foreign iron production/imports to sustain their china campaign. The US embargo pushed them over the edge
>>51748654
Considering how much opposition there is to even recognizing that it exists, I'd argue that the first step of many is just to get people on board.
There's a fucking million things to do with climate change and none of which can really be explained well in a 30 second debate answer.
Terrorist attacks shifting the focus don't help either. But the middle east would be the shit show it is right now if we hadn't been terribly dependent on oil as we were in 2000.
>>51748781
No, that's not what opportunity costs mean. You're assuming that there are a set of choices we could make that would be optimal no matter what. We cannot do that.
For instance, let's say I have $100. With that $100, I can build a hospital, or I can construct a laser to blast asteroids out of the sky. Now, if there's an asteroid approaching, then obviously I should build that laser. But what if I don't know if there's an asteroid coming or not? Then I have to guess using incomplete information. If I build the laser and guessed right, hurray. If I build the laser and guess wrong (no asteroid shows up) I gave up the opportunity to build a hospital and my choice was not the optimal one.
>>51748800
Sorry but repeating "Climate Change is Bad" over and over without any actually idea on what to do about it is not a very substantive position to take on an issue.
>>51748755
oh, ok so the material used offset the atmospheric benefits?
>>51743229
What happens then? The proletariat won't work anymore cause then they'll be the boss? Who does the dirty work then? We need advancements in AI and Robotics then we can get rid of the working class. By that time we should be exploring space instead of complaining about Murican Kluks.
>>51748807
It solves one problem while creating another. Now, maybe it's worth doing that. There's an argument to be made there. But pretending like it's this magical green energy that isn't bad in any way is silly.
>>51748781
Kek.
Global Climate change is not anthropogenic.
I have no problem with having clean air and clean water, but you're not going to Tax me into oblivion and rule over me with government regulations.
>>51748800
Climate change is real and non-anthropogenic
>>51748807
You don't understand that having a massive field of uninhabitable land, filled toxic sludge, that seeps into the ground water and runs off into rivers is more damage than a few ppms of C02 that gets reprocessed by the ocean right?
Right?
Look, if you're gonna shill, shill for nuclear.
>>51748780
>>51748825
I don't understand a lot of it, that's why I'm asking questions.
seems to me that one chunk being uninhabitable compared to the entire planet being uninhabitable is an acceptable loss
>>51748848
Climate change isn't going to make the whole planet uninhabitable. It will make some areas that were inhabitable less so (and possibly make them uninhabitable) and make other areas that were uninhabitable inhabitable. No one knows if that will be a net positive or negative swing though.
>>51748670
>The only alternative is Nuclear energy.
I'm with you on nuclear.
The tech/designs are there, but people are too NIMBY about that shit.
A few years ago it was discovered that some nondescript building in Toronto was making isotopes for medical purposes, it was there for years/decades and no one knew/cared about it, when they found out it was "hurr, no nuclear in my neighborhood!" "what if an accident happens?!"
People are quick to point out the very localized effects of some nuclear accident, meanwhile the pollution created from coal plants/whatever is so spread out everywhere that no one seems to be bothered that it shortens the life of hundreds of people in the city every year.
The human cost of even the worst nuclear accident in history is largely exaggerated in the media
> For comparison, the high radiation dose a patient typically receives from one whole body computer tomography (CT) scan is approximately equivalent to the total dose accumulated in 20 years by the residents of the low contaminated areas following the Chernobyl accident.
http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/chernobyl/backgrounder/en/
The clean up crew fared much worse than the population.
Some issues with nuclear is that you can't just turn it on/off like you can with something like hydro
>>51748848
The entire planet will not be uninhabitable.
Climate change is inevitable and mostly out of our control.
If we really were smart we would go full vault tech to ensure our survival during any such event.
We would also go full space colonization mode.
But we're not.
And so we will go the way of the Dinosaurs.
>>51748903
>wanting to turn nuclear off
>>51748825
>I have no problem with having clean air and clean water, but you're not going to Tax me into oblivion and rule over me with government regulations.
Again, not what climatologists are trying to do. Right now the energy sector is dominated by petroleum, and with the amount of money allowed in politics, they're gonna stay that way until they run out.
I'm all for nuclear. The problem with nuclear is the exact same problem with socialism: a few extreme events gave it a negative stigma.
Meanwhile the petroleum giants will continue to pollute your air and take more of your money than you've ever paid in taxes.
>>51748922
The billionaires have full vault tech.
The rest of us will face the wrong side of natural selection.
>>51748865
If you don't realize how this will cause an incredible spike in violent conflicts around the world, I don't know how to explain it to you.
>>51748943
>The problem with nuclear is the exact same problem with socialism: a few extreme events gave it a negative stigma.
Don't compare Nuclear energy to your garbage socialism.
>>51748943
>Meanwhile the petroleum giants will continue to pollute your air and take more of your money than you've ever paid in taxes.
They have actually reduced pollutants considerably, Huston used to be filled with Smog and now it isn't.
Us reducing our output isn't going to stop China.
>>51748976
>If you don't realize how this will cause an incredible spike in violent conflicts around the world, I don't know how to explain it to you.
Then we do what every country should do. Shut ourselves in and don't worry about the rest of the worlds problems.
We don't have to explain it.
>>51743075
>even the far left
>America
>far left
Dude I live an hour's drive from Berkeley. That shit's about as far left as America gets.
>>51747206
>>51748991
Literally used to have communist Riots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGsFMmcIfOw
>>51748922
>spend billions trying to colonize a planet that is even less hospitable than ours
>not trying to fix the one we are on right now
Meanwhile the cost of not doing anything keeps going up..
Censor THIS
>>51749024
We can't fix the whole damn planet. Its impossible unless we genocide 70% of the damn planet. There will always be fucking conflict.
The best we can do is shut ourselves in, solve those small problems, and then conquer the universe.
>>51749041
botnet
>>51748984
Yes because of course we'll be sitting high and mighty on resources ourselves and no one will even think to take them from us.
Do you read your posts after you write them?
>>51748334
bullshit false equivalence.
>>51748367
>listening to constituents is bad
Actual republican logic everybody.
>>51748984
> Huston used to be filled with Smog and now it isn't
wow, you solved climate change, good job!
more like just shifted it to another part of the country.
>Then we do what every country should do. Shut ourselves in and don't worry about the rest of the worlds problems.
such sage advice, better go inform the military about your genius plan
http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2014/07/06/Climate-change-threatens-national-security-by-David-Titley/stories/201407060071#ixzz36tHHuDmt
>>51749061
>people can compete with the US for power
Everything in the world is a spook, except the power behind it.
They attack us and we conquer them.\
We have already won the global economic war, and have the worlds first, second, and third strongest militaries.
>>51749058
Ok now you're just doing the whole
>oh shit I'm totally wrong
>maybe if I just say dumber things they'll think I was trolling the whole time xD
I see why you became a geologist.
>>51748932
You kind of wish for an off switch if molten fission products melt through your reactor senpai.
>>51749058
>We can't fix the whole damn planet. Its impossible unless we genocide 70% of the damn planet.
nah, not 70%.
if we just destroy the US everything will be fine.
After all all those factories in China only exist to make the shitty goods you buy in walmart and on amazon.
Seriously, what stupid logic is that ?
>waaaa! things are HARD, I'm going to give up!
>>51749074
Except
A. they weren't constituents
B. You don't submit to disrespectful shits with no legitimate cause.
>>51749077
>you solved climate change
I can't solve something beyond my control.
>http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/
not a source.
>>51749085
I'm sorry?
>>51749101
LFTRs automatically shutdown sempai. Most modern reactors will never melt down.
>>51749109
>if we just destroy the US everything will be fine.
Good luck. Its easier just to switch to protectionist and self reliance policies.
Ataturk policies brought Turkey into the modern age.
>>51749130
They were and are constituents, as supported by the fact that the same group is now one of his biggest supporters.
And the cause is very legitimate. Back 2 >>>/pol/ faggot
>>51749150
The women that interrupted the rally was a Sara Palin supporter and not in the constituency of Bernie Sanders by any direct result.
Their "cause" is in no way legitimate and I don't have to be a retarded "stormfag" to see that.
Suck more nigger cock Hombre.
>>51749130
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Titley
>not a source
>>51749186
/opinion/
>>51749058
>if we just destroy the US everything will be fine.
>After all all those factories in China only exist to make the shitty goods you buy in walmart and on amazon.
Wow so those factories are going to magically fold up if the US stops importing?
Tough luck kid, if production suddenly halts all those chinks will quickly go all tiannanmen which is something their corporate masters and government cronies won't want. They can simply start exporting to other places or continue producing for the local market such that them yellow jews remain in business even if their gweilo customers die out
