Tell me, /g/, what is the best filesystem ever?
Ceph.
Ntfs
ReiserFS. I love to feel that murderer way every time I touch my... files.
FAT32
floppy disks with label stickers on them
ipfs
>>51554129
/thread
ext4
For thumb drives, FAT32 so you can flash UEFI
>>51554129
Kek, M$ wanted to remove that like a milion times, cause it's a garbage dump of File System. But they just can't get it cleaned, it seems.
H F S +
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so why does Microsoft still use NTFS
it's the year 2015 people come on, I mean come on people, it's 2015
>>51554129
the specification isn't too bad but the only mainstream implementation of it butchers the specification...way to go microsoft
>>51554112
What's wrong with HFS+?
>>51554230
EVERYTHING.
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>>51554129
>paths can only be a certain amount of characters long
>best filesystem
>ntfs
suuuure microshill
>>51554230
>>51554379
Is this a downside? holy shit, they allow like 238 character long paths...
>>51554423
Upvoted
>>51554179
this
everything else is a meme
You know that BTRFS stands for Better FS, right?
>>51554452
The downside being that, ive backed up my harddrive from a different filesystem to ntfs and couldnt delete/edit/move over files from it.
>>51554471
it stands for B-TRee FileSystem
>>51554471
>>51554481
It is pronounced butter fs right?
>>51554129
>Ntfs
defragmentation xDD
Literaly what the fuck, not to metion no abilty to make backups that only include changes, lack of good encryption WITH ENCRYPTION OF OS (inb4 bitlocker xD)
>>51554379
>>51554476
>>51554491
autism everyone
>>51554489
it can be
>>51554481
>>51554489
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2009/06/conversation-chris-mason-btrfs-next-generation-file-system-linux
See the last line.
Can anyone explain me why Apple's FS is bad like I'm five?
posted from Safari
>>51554525
It's basically ancient shit like FAT,
modern features and POSIX compatiblity are emulated on top of it using the virtual file system layer (which Apple software often also completely circumvents)
>>51554423
Linus Torvalds likes to rant about anything an anyone. Here's a little selection of the things he hates:
>C++ and C++ programmers
>Java
>Compiler-build ins for checking variable overflows
>GNU and GCC
>Nvidia
>Gnome3 and any other Linux Desktop Environment
>Dark Terminals
>Any version control that is not Git
>Polite People
The only thing he complains about for HFS is literally just muh case insensitivity while throwing in tons of random insults, while not even being right in most of those cases.
>>51554379
>Install Eclipse on NTFS
>Can't install it into any place except of C:\Program Files or otherwise the paths will be too long
238 characters isn't that long for a path, especially on Windows where you usually have way longer path names than on Unix. On top of that, there are cases where you might want longer paths, for example if you are using the file system as a way to store indexed data in nested structures (version control systems often do this, or key-value databases)
>>51554112
Btrfs
>>51554565
>>Gnome3 and any other Linux Desktop Environment
But I though he uses GNOME 3 Shell?
>>51554586
He uses Xfce on arch.
>>51554565
>Polite people
Polite people but have dumb ideology like Sarah Sharp?
>>51554565
>Any version control that is not Git
Has he ever said anything about Mercurial?
EXT4 is great for any use.
NTFS is by far the worst one for 2015 domestic use.
>>51554592
No, he uses Trisquel without X11, he uses a text console, for convenience's sake.
>>51554557
None of this really concerns you as an end user though, as the compatibility layer does exist and basically provides all the features you expect for a desktop file system.
The only ones that suffer are the people that have to maintain it.
>>51554609
What are practical problems one might encounter when he uses NTFS?
>>51554452
>Is this a downside? holy shit, they allow like 238 character long paths...
I've hit that plenty of times with enterprise tier report generators and shit like that.
Things get arcane when the tool only breaks for some users because of their username length.
>>51554628
fragmentation
238-ish character limit for directories
>>51554112
ZFS is still the best.
Any attempt cloning it (ReFS, Btrfs) basically turned out to be shit.
>>51554628
Fragmentation
Slow by nature
A casual can fuck up an entire Windows install if he doesn't know how Windows files works
>>51554633
>238-ish character limit for directories
Oh, right, forgot about this one. I disagree with fragmentation being listed but this actually is a serious problem.
>>51554676
>A casual can fuck up an entire Windows install if he doesn't know how Windows files works
That is an advantage.
Same applies to Linux.
This only does not apply to walled garden toy systems like android and iphone.
>>51554668
Why the zfs isn't in linux kernel and not widly used?
>>51554747
Because Theo de Raadt is a faggot.
>>51554747
it doesn't ship with linux because ZFS is under the CDDL license, which is not compatible with the GPLv2 (which linux uses)
>>51554112
ZFS is pretty great, but if you have memory constraints, then EXT4 or XFS.
>>51554770
fuck of stallmanist cunt,
fucking virus license killing sucessully all opensource on desktops and in corporte use
>>51555030
Go back to your coffin, eh? Fuck off back to your "secure" piece of shit software, eh?
>>51555067
go forking and rewriting all bsd code you misable uncreative fucks.
and maybe u can make kenrel with some security that works
>>51554112
FAT32
>not using tahoe lafs
>>51555131
>touhou laughs
>>51555160
yeah tried tahoe, what a fucking laughing joke that piece of shit software is.... anyway, it's not really an FS.
youtubefs
>>51554118
building openstack infrastructures for living.
feelsgoodman
>>51554423
>Rant over.
You really mean "rant suspended," right Linus?
>>51554565
But case sensitivity is an option with hfs.
>>51554498
>accusing others of fake disease because they know your favorite FS is stone age shit
epic kid
Im using ext2 for everything
I dont want my fs to be bloated with stuff i never use like encryption and raid shit
>>51554491
You do realize the fragmentation happens on EXT file systems as well. The only answer you will get it either "should of used a bigger hard drive" or "copy all your files onto another drive and then back again".
>>51555795
Ext, however, doesn't require "defragging" bullshit like NTFS.
>>51554179
This tbqh fham
>>51555795
>should of
degenerate detected
NTFS
Only filesystem that allows you to do this. Fragmentation was a non-issue and is pretty much non-existent now thanks to SSD.
>>51555846
Nah.im sure this shit is just using indexing
>>51555846
>what is find | grep
>>51555846
this can work with any file system provided the operating system notifies you when files are changed
>>51555846
what does that have to do with the file system?
that's just windows' indexing service at work
similar things exist on all major systems
>>51555921
windows' indexing service is terrible and Everything does not use it either
>>51555846
You can do something like this on literally any operating system and any file system.
Finder and Nautilus even have that feature built-in unlike Explorer.
>>51555941
Except you can't. It won't access all the files, it won't do real time updating. There's a reason freetards cannot come up with a duplicate program.
>>51555949
>it won't do real time updating.
Are Micro-shills this stupid?
EXT4 when you don't care about data intergrity (home computers)
ZFS if you're serious about your data, btrfs if you don't like ZFS.
ntfs and HFS+ are both bad.
>>51555949
>It won't access all the files, it won't do real time updating.
rlocate does exactly that
>>51554112
btrfs
>>51554629
Why not limit username length in the first place.
>>51555949
Your webm shows fuzzy search of all files on the hard drive, I've mentioned multiple working solutions for exactly that.
>it won't do real time updating
Except that it will, go ahead and try it:
Do a search for some files in "all my Files" in Finder. Then add a new file that matches it, it will immediately show up in the search result. Then delete a file from the search result anywhere (in terminal, in Finder) and it will immediately be removed from the search result.
Then try the same in Nautilus. Search for a file, delete it somewhere else it will be removed from the search hits. Then go ahead and create a new file, search for it and it will be searchable immediately.
Now fuck yourself for wasting my time actually trying that.
>>51554112
btrfs
>>51555328
Is that even a filesystem?
>>51556557
https://code.google.com/p/youtubefs/
>>51555846
You're an idiot.
XFS, obviously.
>>51554179
MY NIGGOO
>>51554218
John Oliver detected
>>51557325
ext3 (possibly ext4)
worst fs still being widely used is FAT32. Only a matter of time before you loose all your files..
>>51554525
it creates a gorillion DS_Store files all over the place
ReiserFS -- it's so good, you'll kill your wife!
>>51555874locate whatever
is much faster, doesn't find everything like find though.
xfs
ff
s s
>>51557983
No one uses that on a desktop, though.
>>51555367
>openstack
Read any news lately, boy? :)
>>51554747
>Why the zfs isn't in linux kernel and not widly used?
because of cddl vs gpl shit and because the zfs abstraction and caching model doesn't map cleanly to linux's vfs.
zfs is interesting and competently implemented, but it's a giant layering violation or an aggressive vertical design depending on how generous you're being.
>>51554129
>tfw family HDD used for storing family photos and videos is formatted as NTFS and has like 200 errors making a lot of files corrupt and shit
>tfw too scared to repair the filesystem because don't want to lose precious data
>meanwhile dad's old HDD from 11-12 years ago formatted as ext2 still works fine and has no filesystem based problems at all
Just drop NTFS already
>>51556029
That's a stupid band-aid solution to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.
>>51558609
>tfw too scared to repair the filesystem because don't want to lose precious data
Copy it to another drive, you dumb fuck.
>>51558640
The copied files will still be damaged because when you can't even read the drive correctly how can you write correctly?
>>51558736
Copy it over and repair the filesystem on the copy. There is no danger of losing data.
>>51554112
zfs or btrfs
>>51554491
>xD
OUT
>>51558139
Just run updatedb as a cronjob every so often.
>>51555846
But that's neither NTFS nor is what you say true.
ext4
every loonix partitions
>>51558640
>>51558609
>>51558736
>tfw too scared to repair the filesystem because don't want to lose precious data
NTFS can't repair bit errors, how would it? It doesn't store any information for repair, it doesn't even store checksums so it doesn't even know when files are corrupt.
>>51554112
There's literally nothing wrong with HFS+
I wish the WinFS project hadn't died. A filesystem that works like a relational database sounds like the best idea ever.
>>51554112
NTFS
>>51554129
this.
> inb4 hurr its not
Just check the facts.
It's been out for a decade, and still have the most features. It is very resilient, got no issue on power loss, fast, etc.
10/10.
PiFs
>>51561165
>It's been out for a decade,
You mean TWO decades.
>>51554633
>>51554676
I honestly haven't defragmented my NTFS partitions in years, and they're only 1% fragmented.
HEVC
Should I format my external backup drives in exFAT or NTFS? Which is better, or does it not matter. (Win7)
>>51562084
>winfag
>exfat meme
>shitty ntfs
>Long term archival storage
ZFS
>General use system
EXT4
>High performance DB system
XFS
>SSD
NILFS2
Use cases are everything, my friends.
>>51562111
ty desu senpai
>>51554112
HAMMER/HAMMER2
>>51558139
>>51559317
implement a service that watches inotify and updates the database
>>51562538
HAMMER2 is not stable yet.
>>51558435
what do you mean?
>>51561165
>and still have the most features
file checksums? no
repairing files with bit errors? no
path names longer than 238 characters? no
platform independent? no, just tons of reverse engineered stuff cause Microsoft doesn't care about specs
file versioning and snapshotting? no
fragmentation? yes
weird and obscure features like data streams that are only used by malware? yes
>facts
>10/10
see above
ZFS
>>51562268
actually, it's this:
>Long term archival storage
Btrfs
>General use system
Btrfs
>High performance DB system
Btrfs
>SSD
Btrfs
>>51564300
BTRFS is unstable garbage.
>>51554112
HAMMER 2
>>51561165
>no issue on power loss
lmao, when the power went out my windows box's networking stack got all fucked up and i had to reinstall windows.
>>51554770
zfs isnt even in openbsd...
>>51559220
You're the real mvp anonymous
>>51554565
tumblr.com
now leave.
>>51564597
>hurr durr muh tumblr
>>51554112
XFS.
>>51554668
ZFS is crap. Requires infinite ram to even use any of its features, can corrupts files, very poor performance.
>>51561165
>no issue on power loss
fucking l.o.l.
UFS2
>>51564316
I use BTRFS on flash drive installs because it seems to be faster on certain drives than EXT4. Could be placebo. Never had issues with it though.
>>51554112
I use XFS on any network storage, gives me gud speeds and stability. Used to use JFS though, that was fucking garbage and the one and only time it lost power, it hosed my partitions.
