A whistleblower on Reddit basically came out and said no OS is safe from the NSA. So with that knowledge that you're all being equally keked, which OS is the best?
>>51302099
damnit, equally c.u.c.k.e.d.*
install gentoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSV1UFbhJ-A
>>51302099
>using reddit as a source
>not providing a link
>>51302125
>Top story on the front page
>being this much of a faggot that you can't find it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3sf8xx/im_bill_binney_former_nsa_tech_director_worked/
A nigger on 4chan basically came out and said he sucks dicks. So with that knowledge, will you go and suck dicks as well?
>>51302145
>again... REDDIT
>not my responsibility as OP
>>51302099
>no OS is safe from the NSA
No shit. You'd stand zero chance IF targeted by them. AND as long as you use the data trunks they are tapped into they can collect your data. To make matters worse Windows has been backdoored.
Thank you Snowden's retarded echo.
>>51302099
>>51302145
fake and gay
>>51302099
Windows 10
>Best compatibility
>Most user friendly
>Not a meme
>Don't have to send hours fixing it after a fresh install
TAILS off of the USB drive that I built myself, in a dark basement with my trusty assault rifle nearby
>>51302237
>Best compatibility
Call me when my via audio card doesn't stop outputting sound every hour.
>Most user friendly
Call me when I can stop update-related shutdowns when I'm the middle of important work.
>Not a meme
Call me when scrollbars aren't rendered in kernelspace.
>Don't have to send hours fixing it after a fresh install
Call me when it comes without spytools, bloat and security risks out the box.
>>51302099
NSA approached linus, is BSD the last safe os?
Can someone maybe create an alternative minix os?
>>51302290
FBI put a backdoor in openBSD.
>>51302350
My bad, meant to quote the one quoted there.
>51302187
GNU/Linux
>>51302290
NSA approached Linus and Linus refused to reduce the integrity of Linux.
>>51302099
>no OS is safe from the NSA
Quite right.
Since the OS kernel only owns Ring 0 and above, if the NSA owns Ring -2 you're SOL regardless of OS.
Here's an example of Linux security getting BTFO by x86 hardware design, no need for a backdoor, it's not even a bug:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGuIGLz01hE
Just do your shit offline, retards.
>>51302099
>no OS is safe from the NSA
don't need a whistleblower to know that, however there is difference between not being 100% save from NSA (Linux, free bsd etc.) and sending
private data regularly to the NSA by default (post 10.6.8 osx and windows in general)
>>51302406
we don't know that.
>>51302346
shit.
>>51302099
>So with that knowledge that you're all being equally keked, which OS is the best?
For your servers? Linux
For your laptop? OS X (provided that it's an Mac) or Linux
For your gayman rig? Windows
>>51302417
ARM cpu for the desktop when?
ITT normies getting red-pilled
>>51302417
Intel CPUs only.
>>51302535
AMD too. It's just one example though, demonstrating an unpatchable privilege escalation from Ring 3 to Ring -2. Who can tell how many other exploits the NSA is aware of? Or how many parts ship with -2 backdoors pre-installed?
The key thing to take home is that while Ring -2 can do anything, the kernel can not even see Ring -2, so any such rootkit would be completely undetectable by the OS.
>>51302644
AMD literally doesn't have the feature required for the exploit on any of their CPU. There is a similar feature on their APUs but nobody's figured out how to use it to form the exploit so far.
>>51302644
Also, AMD hardware has no concept of rings.
>>51302741
Have people found exploits to make unauthorized changes in Intel microcode?
>>51302450
>we don't know that.
This is why open source software is a thing, Anon. You can check the code with your very own eyes.
>>51302749
>AMD hardware has no concept of rings.
what?
>>51303055
some kind of layered security
>>51302099
>Nobody mentions that the whistleblower uses a Mac based upon his uploaded AMA photo.
Guess OS X is the most safe normie OS.
>>51303105
I'm whatting at the idea of someone thinking an AMD cpu being immune to a ring0 attack just because it's an AMD cpu although reading more up the chain of who he was replying to he might have just been autisming over the word hardware specifically
either way qubes os's Joanna Rutkowska's x86 considered harmful paper discusesses the intel management engine thing in depth and her understanding of it is that AMD's similar functionality is proceeding in the same way and will present similar problems
Let's be honest. The moment you use internet, you're not safe from the NSA.
It's just that there are varying degrees of fuckery. You can either choose to have the NSA spying on you, or the NSA plus another 20 different companies.
>>51303241
>ring -2 = ring 0
Top tip kok
Who the fuck honestly thought otherwise?
The government is tapped directly into the carriers and ISPs. They are sniffing traffic in real-time, the host OS the traffic is coming from or going to doesn't even matter.
We already knew this.
>>51303272
>AMD hardware has no concept of rings.
>ring 0 = not a ring
>ring -1 = not a ring
>ring -2 = not a ring
>ring -2 = not a ring
tap tep kik
>>51302237
I cant even boot without blue screen and driver errors. Nice meme though.
Hey, totally an ex-NSA researcher here.
It doesn't matter what OS you use, we can read your minds.
You might as well just quit life now.
Isn't this illegal? Is he gonna get shooted?
>>51302099
NO WAY OP!1!!1
>>51302346
Shitty meme to discredit OpenBSD
>>51302450
>shit.
All the code was audited after that claim was made, nothing was found
>it'sfuckingnothing.png
>>51302099
:(
>bought chinkpad with Intel's AT turned on last week
>forgot to turn it off
>install Debian
>have the webcam turn on while doing work
>fresh install from the net
>get paranoid and remove webcam module
>go to lunch
>when I come back my cooworker asked me if I was playing a prank on him
>ask why?
>get told the webcam on his windows laptop was turned on..
>freakout
>turn off and boot to bios...
>Intel anti-theft (ON)
>go to /g/ after work
>see this thread
>mfw
ayyyy
>>51302099
windows for gaymes
mac for a nice, stable productive environment
linux for fun
For the 80 gazillionth time.
>>51302109
Someone want to explain this meme to me it seems like kek is just a new word for bitch since I haven't seen it used correctly here or on /b/ and /pol/.
>>51302191
oh man, is this denial or what
>>51302285
what version of windows do you use exactly
>>51303374
>intel has concepts of rings
>therefore every GPU has rings!
*tips kekora*
>>51303851
>going to /b and /pol/
>>>/b/
>>>/pol/
>>51303834
>linux for fun
you and linux are both a meme
>>51303456
>if 2 basement dwellers can't find it, surely trained professional didn't insert an obfuscated backdoor!
>>51303876
He's refering to Windows 10 senpai, see the post he was replying to
>>51302099
he also said NSA was a fucking useless money sink. NSA must be laughing all the way to the bank everyday.
>>51303907
>OpenBSD devs
>basement dwellers
tiptopkek, even Theo was funded by DARPA at some point, before fucking everything with his attitude
Also, it wasn't just the OpenBSD team the one who audited the code, and you're free to find the backdoor, or can't you and any security researcher find it? :^)
>>51303904
>he's not free as in "Free Willy"
enjoy being trapped inside indistrialism
>>51303929
EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHERS were funded by DARPA at some point. I legit did work funded by DARPA myself a few years ago. Also it was only the openbsd team that audited it. Including the embeded FBI agent.
>>51302145
source your claims dipshit. Not everyone knows what your talking about fyi.
Current news is just that ffs and it changes everyday, wasting time keeping up the the current news is utterly pointless. Source: 3 years of my life consuming 3-4 hours of news a day. Learned next to shit about everything.
>>51302099
Well considering that the mass market technology came from the government itself, it's kind of to remove their backdoors.
>>51303959
>Including the embeded FBI agent.
That guy wasn't even part of the OpenBSD team, and he had stopped contributing like 6 years before the backdoor rumour was out there
>I legit did work funded by DARPA myself a few years ago
Of course you did anon, that's why you have no idea about what you're talking about
You're free to find the backdoor, the OpenBSD source code is well commented and isn't a massive fuckcluster like OpenSSL was (is?), if there was a backdoor someone would had found it already, anyone would enjoy BTFO of Theo
>>51302285
Shit i thought that was just me.
>via sound card constantly hissing.
It's not loud enough to be annoying but it's definitely there.
>>51303851
This is 4chan which is the best subreddit for stealing memes from 9gag.
>>51304006
It's via being a below-trash-tier company, having the most ridiculously bad drivers imaginable. Works just fine on GNU, so it's not a hardware problem.
>>51304067
Can you blame them though?
They can't even sell in australia anymore. I'd love to get my hands on a via cpu+mobo that isn't 10+ years old.
>>51302417
holy fucking shit. i have come to the conclusion no matter what the nsa will fuck you.
>>51303834
>>51303834
>mac for a nice, stable productive environment
not everyone is queer designer you fag
Windows is what used by most corporation you ignoramus
>>51302099
>no OS is safe from the NSA
Did they catch Edward Snowden ?
No.
Fuck off to reddit now
>>51303834
>mac
>stable and productive
>>51302346
you mean just like how the NSA has put various backdoors in the linux?
>>51302145
> front page
even if you're faggot enough to read reddit, only RETARDED faggots subscribe to the defaults
>>51304256
>mfw my most secret, important information is stored on a machine with a PowerPC 601 processor which hasn't been connected to the internet since 2005 and presently has no means of connecting to the internet
NSA can't do shit.
>>51302467
ARM has an equivalent problem with the "trusted zone".
>>51304792
Thanks for letting us know anon.
>>51302121
>>>/b/, faggot
>>51302237
>not making a custom post installation script
>>51304792
The FBI can
>>51303822
lmao
Would it be possible to watch someone whom is watching what I watched while masturbating masturbate ?
OH NO GUYS THE NSA IS HACKING ME!
>>51303266
And even if you don't use the web, you are still tracked based on your records, relatives/family history and activities, transactions, calls, sms, and from all the surveillance cams out there checking your location
>>51303266
Let's be honest, you aren't going to get arrested because of shit unless you are doing illegal shit.
>>51304958
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!
>>51302099
>tfw nsa, jewgle, microshit, fapple, fakebook, and other data mining corporations and govts know more about me and my future self than I know about myself
>>51305042
C U C K E D
>>51302237
>slow as shit
only con desu
>>51305020
You also aren't gonna be arrested for doing illegal shit like downloading music or watching movies/tv shows so it's not like it matters
Why is OS X still shit
>their idea of the maximize button is fucking fullscreen
>fullscreen mode hides the fucking status bar and dock, allowing no multitasking at all
>slow-ass fullscreen animation
>half-assed window snapping that requires fullscreen
inb4
>use bettertouchtool
still doesn't excuse Apple's bullshit
>>51302285
Although I agree with most of the points you can stop the update-related shutdowns with a registry edit.
>>51302099
Qubes
>>51302099
Running Slackware at the moment. Feels comfy. :)
>>51302417
was this intentional by Intel? Will it be removed in future CPU's?
>>51302099
>whistle blower
>implying any paranoiac worth his salt doesn't firmly believe all tech is compromised at a hardware level and there's nothing to be done about it
>>51305677
My man! Slackware for the win, caveman Linux for real men. Everything else is fluff.
>>51304457
It's like you're trying to be a negative stereotype
>>51302099
what the fuck are you talking about
also
>believing random fucks online
muh kekkels
>>51303861
I don't see denial
If he browsed reddit and it's truly on the front page he wouldn't have asked for a source
>>51302099
>A whistleblower on Reddit
>on Reddit
>>51302099
>>51302099
>knowledge
It's intuitive.
No OS maker has more resources (money, personnel, and -- most importantly -- armed agents with the authority to kill) than the US government has.
>>51302417
this is cool as shit
>>51304256
I mean, this exploit is no longer available since 2013, so you should be safe for this particular issue for the time being
>>51306420
>It's intuitive.
>No OS maker has more resources (money, personnel, and -- most importantly -- armed agents with the authority to kill) than the US government has.
>>51306452
You must be at least 18 years old to use this site, lad.
>>51302237
>>>51302099 (OP)
>Windows 10
>>Don't have to send hours fixing it after a fresh install
Installing Windows 10:
> insert disk
> go through menu based installer
> hunt down drives for all your devices
> spend the next 6-24 hours waiting for the painfully slow Windows Update process to complete
Installing Ubuntu:
> insert disk
> go through menu based installer
> open terminal
> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y && sudo apt-get install linux-firmware linux-firmware-nonfree
> entire process takes less than an hour
>>51302273
Yeah, but does tails run on ring -17?
>>51302417
>>51305795
>>51302417
He said it is already fixed in Sandy Bridge CPUs and later (2011).
He said it @ ~ 40 minute.
>>51302273
>USB
Coppermouth.
>>51303528
>>51302099
Poor paranoid betas. That's what they want to reach. They want you to think that you are under their control, bitches.
>>51306501
Twisting things to make them fit your "argument" (or rather shitpost) is pretty ridiculous t.b.h f.a.m
>>51304588
Thanks to the wide array of auditors and programmers, any backdoor - if there are any that hasn't been found yet - is mitigated. Far more than can be said about big soggy dicks.
>>51304808
Trusted zone isn't the issue. It's a combination of allowing to move the memory segment on top of some area of memory that contains a ring -2 program.
>>51305020
Until the day you decide to do something that is perfectly legal but that the government doesn't like, such as sharing free papers with other people. Then all hell breaks lose.
Or you could stop being a cuk and get secure right now.
>>51306554
However, sandybridge and later have an intel-specific backdoor which intel loves so much they literally advertise it.
You guise are dumb as shit.
Even if an OS isn't compromised, the NSA has still mapped the entire Internet and they know what data is moving in and out of every node.
They don't fucking NEED to compromise your OS, morons.
If your device is connected to the Internet, the NSA can see it. They know what its saying.
The NSA is the Santa Claus of the fucking Internet except it doesn't give you shit on Christmas, but it will fuck you up if you're naughty.
>>51307036
>The NSA is the Santa Claus of the fucking Internet except it doesn't give you shit on Christmas, but it will fuck you up if you're naughty.
I have a feeling your folks never hired the best Santa for christmas.
>>51303861
This op what a spaz
>>51302099
You can use DOS
>>51304792
>they get a sneak&peek warrant on bogus drug charges (or don't get a warrant at all because muh national security)
>they break into your home and clone your hdd without you even noticing
>you are never informed, because the case file got "lost" somewhere
>If the data is encrypted, they can install a chip that uses DMA to take a snapshot of your RAM a few minutes after bootup and extract the key from that
You have no idea how computer security works, do you?
There are hundreds of ways they can get access to your data, if they really want.
>>51302099
As long as you have internet connectivity you may as well bend over and spread your cheeks 'cause you're getting fucked.
>b-but https
As though Certificate Authorities won't gladly hand encryption keys over. Why does Verisign and DigiCert deserve your trust, exactly?
>b-but darknet
enjoy your compromised nodes, faggots
Still would be using GNU/Linux, so I can feel superior for running a greater system than you Winkeks.
Now go eat grapes elsewhere, babby.
>>51307469
https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/68418/can-anyone-with-access-to-root-ca-private-key-decrypt-https-traffic
http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/oct/04/tor-stinks-nsa-presentation-document
Get a grip you moron.
>>51302099
Why the fuck do you need retard from Reddit saying that when Snowden said it goddamn 3-4 years ago?
>>51306501
I put Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB whatever and it automatically got the drivers for everything and it works properly.
Libreboot + Qubes and Whonix
>>51302099
Can they get past the panda tho?
>>51304256
Time to watch this
>>51303266
You are not safe from NSA, PRISM or GQHC if you use any credit card, metro card, use phone of any sort
>using outdated personality tests
wow nsa is topkek
>>51307036
This.
I didn't see where this guy who is only pushing a shitty movie said the OSes are pwned. Only that no software can be called secure which is true in that it's impossible to guarantee zero bugs. Most of what he talked about was internet spying which it doesn't matter what software you're running.
He also said encryption doesn't matter but didn't elaborate. I guess he means the NSA is more than happy to have just the IP headers and deep inspection is only a bonus to them. If they can establish that ISIS was using a particular node then every packet sent to or from that node is enough to pin you as a terrorist.
Tor was supposed to prevent this but since they've got bugs in routers every fucking where they just look at where the packet goes in then wait for it to pop out somewhere else and the trace will pick up right where it left off. Is this even something I2p can cope with?
My relatives use Windows 10 (not sure which version).
2 of them are lawyers even.
What are some good ways to start off telling them how intrusive and disrespectful OS it is to their rights?
What alternative should I suggest? A debloat Windows Enterprise 10? 8.1? 7?
>>51307731
Let them be keked
Its probable that they don't care about privacy in the first place.
>>51307707
I though Myers Brigg was the industry standard
>>51304060
I personally literally steal all my maymays from ebaumsworld, to be honest.
>>51307765
MBPI shouldn't be the standard for anyone, it's complete quackery.
>>51307824
Literally all of psychology is made up quackery. Doesn't mean that it doesn't work to some degree.
Myers-Briggs is actually a pretty good system if the test is applied correctly.
>>51307856
The MBPI in particular is quackery above and beyond, as it was made by a couple of schoolteachers not trained or professional psych*ists
how come NASA guys never come to /g/?
>>51307878
>The MBPI in particular is quackery above and beyond, as it was made by a couple of schoolteachers not trained or professional psych*ists
I mean they weren't even bona-fide quacks, they were pretend-quacks; playing quack if you will. That's some next level bullshit.
>>51307889
I still don't understand why NSA of all people still uses it to employ their shills.
I have to be honesr. I'm not a big Windows fan. I use linux for everything not gaming. However Windows 10 has made my life in Computer repair a lot easier. A fresh installation of 10 is so much easier than any OS I've dealt with. All the drivers are automatically downloaded and it just works. Also gave us a lot of business because although fresh install is great, updating fucks up everything
>>51302099
MINIX
Linux for everything but video games.
Security really isn't even a factor here, as plenty of my web traffic is unencrypted, so it's already being intercepted, stored, and logged.
>>51302448
>post 10.6.8 osx
what changed on that version specifically?
>>51303241
> and her understanding of it is that AMD's similar functionality is proceeding in the same way and will present similar problems
Do you even read that document? AMD's psp is not the same thing, and she even tell you
>The author, however, does not have enough 1st-hand experience with modern
AMD desktop platforms to facilitate a more detailed analysis,
Why even bother talking about something you didn't read?
>>51302099
>asking which OS is safest
>not even mentioning tails
>throw-away-notebook
>tails on live usb
>get into wifi of someone
>be anonymous from anyone
>???
>profit
>>51307717
>Is this even something I2p can cope with?
Of course not. Once they map the whole Internet, game over. Sounds like they're almost there.
>>51308431
This is the only way, but it's still not 100%. They're going to know where you're accessing. They're going to know your node. They can go into the real world and look for you. Plus, as Snowden I think said, have a cell phone? Shit, Tails won't help when they map your GPS coordinates with the node Tails was using. The more you use Tails, the more GPS data they'll have on you. You're screwed.
So yeah, use Tails, change your location each time, leave your cell at home. Oh and wear a disguise for the security cams.
Oh wait, drive a car? Automated license cameras will track your car throughout the city. Better not drive either. Pay cash everywhere too. Your credit card can be tracked.
Wait, I forgot automated face recognition is so good it can defeat sunglasses. They don't even need GPS to match you to whatever node you used to log in with Tails, and that's automatic.
Unless you're in North Korea or Iran, you better not commit a crime. The NSA will find you.
>>51304841
Hello Reddit.
Lets accept that Intel processors have this magical backdoor in them (or something). That allows people who get their hands on this to know where the PC is, what it is doing
Why would US govt. use said chips? Wouldn't that make them in danger? Chinks could get that information too.
>>51303671
Unplug the webcam from the motherboard.
>NSA hasn't touched TempleOS yet
>>51308567
yes. exactly.
BUT I use Tails only for a few things.
So they can track my stuff all they want but if my actions with tails don't have a connection to me they also don't get a connection to me.
That's not very much about IT, it's more of using common sense.
Most guys using the Onion network got busted because they used clearnames, registed websites with ther clearnet-mail adress or logged f.e. into facebook after checking out some cp or sold drug or whatnot.
Even switching off the phone doesn't make it untrackable.
Even removing the battery doesn't.
Also I'm in europe so it's easier to be untrackable because the gov's basically can't do shit.
>>51308575
It's for the safety of our citizens :^)
>>51308567
>tfw the only way to escape the NSA's loving gaze is to commit sudoku
>>51307405
>break into your home
>find three dead hookers and a dog eating one of them
>the secure computer is in a waterproof barrel inside the septic tank
Hafe fun with that.
>>51304514
they weren't using surveillance on him, though.
if they are looking for your stuff, they will probably get it
So at the end of the day, what are they doing with this info? I mean, "officially". Just stopping sand niggers from going ape?
>>51309368
post your browsing history on facebook for you as your own post and tag your mother
>>51309368
Mass profiling, mass statistic/analytics, spying on whoever they want (single person) SPYING ON EVERYONE ACTIVELY AND PASSIVELY.
>Most of them did not like the program and opposed it (Stellar Wind). But the vast population of NSA are ISTJ on the Myers Briggs scale, which means they are afraid to stand up and oppose things to avoid conflicts.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator
This NSA guy ain't real.Calling bullshit on this
>>51309439
What sort of things "tip" them off to spy on an individual though? Is it generally people who are already suspects like terrorists and such?
Or do they randomly just go out of their way and target random individuals "just because"?
>>51309502
Snowden has said you can just follow anyone you like with their pograms like xkeyscore for shits and giggles. No restrictions.
So you could if you want to follow the metadata of random sperg. This metadata cumulates, one metadata piece is nothing but when you connect the dots etc. it creates something he called context, a profile, where you can even predict future occurances based on the data etc.
>What tips them off.
No idea. We are most likely, this thread, entire 4chan userbase, in a heightened state of data collection since there are so many trigger words used (even in this thread).
Meaning we are not just in the passive catch-it-all program they use.
>>51302285
My audio card only works on Linux and Vista, not 8.1 or 10
>>51302285
>>51302237
>inb4 getting called by Indian names.
I installed Windows 10 the Enterprise LTwhatever (what /g/ recommends) to my old laptop with 330M and some shitty i5 and it works faster than any other windows since XP (it is SO long since I tested XP I can't say if its faster than it)
I had to do lots of cleaning up with the debloat scripts etc. and first time ever setup a non-windows firewall blocking Windows connections but I am happy with it.
I was surprised it found working drivers for my Broadcom ethernet since they were broken in 8.0 and 8.1 and now I can finally use it instead of Wi-Fi.
>>51303052
there are blobs in the kernel that NO one can check the source code of.
>>51302099
did you even read the thread? I don't think he even knows what "linux" is.
>>51302099
Of course no OS is safe. Why? Hardware backdoors. Its like everyone forgot about the findings where the majority of hard drive firmware includes backdoors. Not to mention mobo and cpu manufacturers. The ride never ends and loonix fags are high on their own smug in turbo denial
>>51309747
sure - there are probably backdoors in my hard drive. how is the NSA going to get the data - regardless of whether it's encypted or not?
>having anything questionable or valuable on your computer
it's just a web browsing and gaymen machine.
What the fuck NSA and Brit int. do when criminals move back to the paper
>>51309777
>i'm not affected by this, ergo it isn't an issue
>>51309786
it'll be too inconvenient for them. they can't communciate at the speed of light anymore.
NetBSD
>hurr durr it's all the same
>nothing you do will protect you
what they actually mean is
>please make this easy for us
Yes, no individual can be safe from NSA, but only if he's specifically targeted.
Running an OS that sends the hash of every file you open to a third party is purely retarded.
>>51309925
>>
>Yes, no individual can be safe from NSA, but only if he's specifically targeted.
False, vast majority of Internet data is passively collected. Snowden and other NSA people (the people that have confirmed Snowden's allegations in the press) have siad you can only get breathing room even with air-gapped devices.
is your last line referring to Windows 10? can't that be blocked though?
>>51308592
I did it on both of them actually but whoever did it now knows both of us and has our faces and who knows what else. My question is why turn on the webcam light to let us know ...?
>no OS is safe from the NSA
Well, none then.
