What will happen to the computer hardware industry when 3D printers will be good enough to print your own parts at home ? Also, will an era of "free hardware" begin ?
What do you think ?
It won't happen soon. Shit's expensive as fuck
Sure, let me just print this metal and transistors.
>>51299636
Doubt it. 3d printers are still pretty shitty
>>51299668
>2080
>Not printing your own metal
shiggydiggy shagadelic baby
>>51299636
There will be a paywall that gets integrated for downloading the schematics. Of course someone will crack it but companies will try to stop you.
They don't have much to worry about, you're not going to be able to print a top quality CPU or other chip, you won't be able to print resistors, capacitors, diodes and transistors, you won't be able to print storage.
I can see 3D printing circuit boards being a thing but soldering all the components onto it will put most people off.
>>51299663
Prices should lower with time. Take example on the last years, a portable computer was shit expensive 10 years ago.
>>51299668
You know there have been succesful attempts at printing living cells, right ?
>>51299706
>You know there have been succesful attempts at printing living cells, right ?
Put living cells in, get living cells out.
To print metal you'll need to put metal in, at whatever heat that metal melts at.
I ask myself this question every time a 3D printing is mentioned. We're very far behind with people getting butthurt over sharing my bought music, videos, games, etc. with other people. I can't wait for the shitstorms that go off when 3D printers get the leap computers did after 20 or 30 years.
Here have some Tedmeme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihR9SX7dgRo
>>51299758
>Not owning a blacksmith set at home
>Not knowing computer engineering
>Not having the capacity to print circuit boards via a 3-D printer
You have no reason to not create your own computer hardware with their own architecture
Remember that before WW1 planes were really shitty and after we had modern planes
>>51299636
Fucking stupidest post i seen all year. OP thinks just because one day you can print a computer at home big companies wont be printing better tech. By the time we can print silicon chip computers at home bigger companies will be making computers that use quantum entanglement.
>>51299760
>capitalism will die in your lifetime
>>51299881
/sci/ pls go and take your buzzwords with you.
>>51299784
So what you're saying is that it has been 100 years and we still can't build our own pre-WWI planes.
>>51299920
What's stopping you :3
>>51299945
I can't build an engine.
>>51300005
Sounds like a personal problem
>>51299782
So why haven't you made a startup yet?
We'll all be dead long before because people will be printing Assault Rifles, Bullets, Rocket Launchers at home.
>>51299904
His point is entirely valid, though and you're retarded for missing it. And quantum entanglement is actually related to quantum computing.
>>51299668
>>51299782
just solder them at home
>>51299668
>>51299701
you can print metal, transistors, and other electrical components. Pic related is a printed transistor. Please note the scale bar. This is a fucking huge transistor.
>>51299636
Pretty much the only way we could have 3d printers capable of producing microchips rivaling those produced in fabs is with molecular assemblers. But if molecular assemblers work, then it would be possible to build them with DRM that is practically impossible to bypass. As in there would be no way to disable it without destroying the machine, and the machine would have sensors that cause the whole thing to self destruct if you even tried to reverse engineer it.
>>51299881
Op here,
Good point. Then, do you think there's an even more advanced form of computing, beyond quantum computing ? If not, the backwardness of home-computer-making will disappear with time (although I admit it's pretty far-fetched).
>>51299760
guess what? That type of 3d printing produces parts that are not suitable for producing load bearing parts, because the resin degrades with time(faster in sunlight).
Oh and it was also found that the parts produced by that process are toxic too.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151104151532.htm
>>51299636
here in murka at leas that'll never happen cause fcc standards and they'll outlaw anything that could potentially bypass those standards. so eithere we won't see printers with circuitry capability or they'll be locked down to not be able to print designs without some sort of digital fcc signature
>>51299636
>era of free hardware
Stallman is already working on it.
Free hardware can be quite expensive, though.
>you wouldn't download a GTX 970
>>51299706
>You know there have been succesful attempts at printing living cells, right ?
Stop assembling all your information from fox news headlines.
We're at least 15 years out from printing computer parts. The only thing you can print on a consumer-grade 3D printer today is a plastic dildo.
>>51299636
don't worry m8
once we get there hardware manufacturers will make 3d printer owners pay copyright fees like the music industry did with cd writers
>>51300241
>free
>expensive
pick one
>>51300295
>misunderestimating the word free in this context
>>51300313
>misunderestimating
Get the fuck out of here George Bush
what about printing printers?
>>51300213
Do you think it would be bypassed?
>>51300384
yeah, there'd be mod chips from china or a custom firmware update or some shit
What a better question would be is how the figure industry will change once 3D printing gets good enough for anyone to print their own $300-500 figure.
You'd pretty much be paying for the paint job at that point, and who's to say that issue wouldn't be address in the near future as well?
>>51300502
sure you could use counterfiet plans but a true fan will pay for the real plans and detailed instructions on what colors to paint what parts, and of course only paint them with approved paint brands
what's got me kinda excited is custom d&d figures for characters, and custom mods/expansions for all types of table top gaming
>>51300502
consider that buyfags like not only to collect but also buy stuff, the possibility of having good quality figs printed at home would kill part of the fun. i see the industry taking a hit but not disappearing completely
>>51299636
>free hardware
The industry will just refocus to delivering the resources 3d printers need to print stuff. You won't be paying for the parts, you'll be paying for the resources required to build them.
>>51300408
Well if we can 3d print computer parts, then there would not be chips in the first place. You could build the whole thing as one big monolithic component. And because you can make circuits in 3d, why put in some really complicated tamper protection stuff that detects if you drill into it an shuts everything down?
And hey if you can 3d print computer parts, why even worry about a firmware at all! Just do it all in hardware! Since you can 3d print the hardware, you can do OTA hardware updates just like the software updates we have with smartphones.
>>51300197
As expected of Ted.
>>51299881
Obviously this.
>>51300703
I mean a chip for the 3d printer itself
>>51299706
>You know there have been succesful attempts at printing living cells, right ?
[citation needed]
>>51300895
But the electronics in the 3d printer were 3d printed themselves, so there aren't any chips inside them. It's just one big monolithic component, so if you want to put in a modchip you have to cut into it and make connections to weird 3d circuits embedded in stuff.
>>51301062
Well, that sounds bad. All 2d printers already implement tracking in the form of yellow dots, and it's probably written in a chip of the board, so it would be even more unstoppable with non-standard unopenable hardware...
>>51300985
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bioprinting
>>51301176
>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bioprinting
You seem to be mistaken. Dispersing already-living cells onto a scaffold to form a tissue is not the same as "printing living cells."
>>51301135
Yup. And as 3d printers get more complicated, they're gonna get as bad as 2d printers are right now.
HP has a new machine that prints strong parts fast in color and could be made cheap enough for the average consumer. But guess what? The entire thing is built around a 2d print head, so they can make it just as bad as 2d printers, dots and all
>>51301194
What did you expect it to create something from nothing?
>>51301216
Printing living cells would be like creating new cells from a primordial soup of raw materials and DNA.
Printing biological tissue would be a better description.
>>51299881
Why the fuck are homeowners gonna be needing NASA's computers when everyone in the future will be doing the same shit they do today. Regular word processing, web browsing, and music. There's literally no need for a computer with the ability to use quantum entanglement in a house. No one cares enough about graphics for a game to run it on a fucking theater screen, and no one is gonna be running a bunch of functions at home that requires that capability.
>free hardware
>have to buy the materials
As always op is a massive cock slobbering faggot who hates puppies
>>51301413
>>51300295
Guess I should have said 'Libre'.
>>51301528
>anime character
>also obnoxious
Why am I not surprised?
>>51301370
I need and want it.
>who needs a colour TV?! These god dang young folk
>>51301622
>Color with a u
God damned limeys
>>51299636
>when 3D printers will be good enough to print your own parts at home ?
Do you know how small a nanometer is?
Markus wormstorn is short and fat
>>51301684
>>51301684
I do, I don't pretend that we'll be able to print as precisely as today's and tommorow's industry. But I'm already thrilled by the possibility of just printing my own hardware, even if it's as big as an Apple II's.
>>51301370
But GNU/Assistant requires a quantum processor for its AI subsystems
Just waiting for the era of 3d printable sex bots.
>>51301370
>Why the fuck are homeowners gonna be needing NASA's computers
Eventually a new Windows will come out.
We'll to a raw material industry.
>>51301370
Fallout 5.
Anyone who thinks in-home 3D printing is going to take off in any meaningful way has their eyes on the distant future.
We're going to have 3D printing shops that operate very similarly to Kinkos and bulk printing places of today for the next 2-3 decades, and that's going to be what the average person is using on a regular basis. There will of course be hobbyists, researchers, people in medical and manufacturing, who have access to much more advanced hardware, but those will still be prohibitively expensive for home use.
>>51302627
This. For my usage patterns, I'd much prefer to go to one of these places and put in an order for a model rather than own my own 3d printer.
I wonder if it would be possible to design a bio computer with capabilities similar to our silicon based ones.
Just imagine downloading some blueprints, feeding it your dinner leftovers and it literally grows more ram.
>>51302692
wtf
>>51302692
Nigga what.
>>51302692
Unlikely. Biology is slow and noisy. It is difficult to engineer biology and keep tissue cultures alive.
They already have 3D free as in freedom printers.
>>51303270
But they can't print electronics. They also use proprietary hardware, so they aren't free as in freedom
>>51300070
does this mean we can use quantum magic to get legitimately random numbers?
>>51299782
>my life reflects 90% of the computer userbase.
Stop projecting your life on others.
We are fucking NICHE.
This shit will NEVER replace the computer industry. EVER.
It is way too expensive, no, the price won't come down, and it will STILL be a specialist hobby even then.
The only thing that will replace the hardware industry is full-on Star Trek style replicators.
And that will STILL be most people printing entirely new computers, not components.
Not to mention post-scarcity society on top of that.
The only thing that 3D printing is going to do is:
make the distribution industry far cheaper because they can print at stores rather than deliver to stores. Transporting huge reels of [material] is far cheaper than products with lots of air and padding.
Make hobbyists lives easier because they can easily print parts at home rather than using specialists to print for them.
They will likely still need to use them for large prints though, unless they get their own huge printer.
Make the housing industry better. There are 3D printers that make houses.
Make the food industry more fun. Custom-tailored foods are going to be so much easier now.
It will also make fast-food insanely cheaper. (it will still be the same price to you though)
Food fortified with useful mineral content and such will also be easier to make.
It won't make any of these industries obsolete. At all.
>>51299636
OP, in the future there will be filament stores for our amazing 3d printers, walk in and say "ill take 2 rolls of synthetic wood, and 4 rolls of hyperdense filament.
>>51301370
You have the equivalent of a NASA computer from 10 years ago right now.
> No one will ever need more that 64kb of ram
> No one will ever need higher that 480p resolution
> Human eye can't see more than 24fps
welcome to the club
>>51303365
Well you can get quantum random number generators
>>51300243
>Download Progress... 95%
>Download completed at 95%
>>51303366
Well if you had replicators you could still have scarcity because of DRM.
>>51300367
already a thing, see Makerbot
>>51299636
anybody else /3dprint/ here? been printing for about a year now. it's pretty cool. I don't see normies ever liking it though.
>>51303489
makerbots are injection molded faggot. Most other companies would be been a good example.
>picking the one company owned by Stratasys
>>51303542
shit, you're right, I got the name wrong, it was reprap, whoops
>$5 billion fab
>at home
Ok.
>>51303581
I own a 3D printer I heavily modified (Solidoodle), and spent about$1500 after all modifications.
did you know this would've cost $100,000 in 1985?
>>51303611
And it is probably about as capable as a machine in 1985. So anon are there any semiconductor fabs today that fit on a desktop?
>>51301370
640K is enough for everyone
>>51300060
Because of this possibility right here nobody will be allowed to own a 3d printer. I wouldnt be surprised if they're already banned in some places because of those youtube videos of people printing plastic guns.
>>51299636
Nothing. Were going to hit peak oil and resource scarcity is going to increase the price of energy and raw material offsetting the cost reductions of better 3D printing. The result will be the economic untenablity of mass production is going to cause a rise in small local craftsmanship.
>>51303411
Underrated post.
parts for what exactly ?
While 3d printing is here to stay the market for it is relatively small in the consumer side.
Sure some dude somewhere can now print custom parts for this tech related shit
or making parts for your cosplay stuff
but what does the average joe need this shit for ?
Just how many stupid wrenches could I possibly need to print ?
I might make sense that instead of every household having a 3D printer, every home depot has one, or ikea or whatever shit.
Then you can go to that store and have things you bought printed out for you.
>>51301702
I've always wondered what all the dissing towards Markus was about in that song. Can you fill me in?
>>51299636
can it litograph 14nm?
nope. didn't think so.
