I don't want any bias or info that doesn't apply. I want data and benchmarks for 1080p gaming that shows which is the objectively better card. Ignoring the 3.5gb vram and the overheating and power consumption of and, I'm only worried about which puts out the most frames and consistently.
>>51297497
Get an R9 290 instead
b-stock 970 or a 290 if they can still be found
970 is the better value for 1080p as it can be reliably overclocked to 980 performance and you won't have to deal with AMD's crippled tessellation/bad drivers
just youtube "[game i want to play] r9 390 vs gtx 970 benchmarks"
they're basically the same card. same price, same performance, so it really doesn't matter. you'll find that some games get 2 more fps in one card and other games get 2 more fps in the other card. personally i'd get the r9 390 because moar vram and nvidia is run by anti-consumer kikes.
>>51297529
>bad drivers meme
there's literally no reason to go with a 970 unless you want to play gimped meme games.
>>51297555
>if i don't like it, it's a meme
nice try roy, fix your drivers before you shill
>youtube.com
>r9 390 vs 970
>first 3 results
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEiknMpglao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSDQzlKDYq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9cKZiJw6Pk
I was under the impression that nvidia was great for 1080 where the small bus wasn't an issue. The anandtech bench seems to support that idea but like all things its just one site.
I think Op wants more benchmark sites that aren't full shill one way or the other. We all fucking know that fanboys on both sides can't be trusted.
>>51297570
>>51297529
Dont even think about a 970.
I just got one 2 days ago and i have been keked from all my games. Fps in all my games are horrible, i check my gpu usuage and its at 30% when in any game.
I decided to stress test the card and what do you know, everything hits max potential and works beautful ONLY WHEN STRESSED.
I have done everything and then some but with no avail. Im gunna go into bios and change everything to default as i read some guy did that and fix his keked situation.
Got the 390 because power consumtion is a huge deal for me.
I don't play much but want to use my desktop in 144hz without taking a loan for the Nvidia provided power bill.
>>51297529
>crippled tessellation
That is deliberate Nvidia sabotage and nearly only applies to GameWorks titles.
>>51298123
May not be just the card. What's the rest of your specs?
>>51298123
I don't know what games you're playing but you may have gotten a faulty card.
Also, do you play in 144hz?
I have a 144hz monitor and it brought on all kinds of issues. Frame stutter in GTA V, flickering white water in Skyrim, etc. All were fixed by setting frequency to 60hz while playing said games.
If you guys can diagnose this id appreciate!
>>51298453
FX-8320 @ 4.2mhz
16gbddr3
windows 7
evga 970ssc
>>51298593
Yea i do have an asus 144hz playing mainly CSGO. Couple of my friends that have the fx-8350 are reporting to get 350-450 fps in game while i have my 8320 to their 8350 speed i get 60-180 fps and that flucuates dramatically.
I will be taking my card to a friends house who thankfully has the same card so i will see if this card is also gimped on his pc. I seriously hope it is and a simple RMA will fix this issue.
>>51298643
Something is wrong dude, I get 300-600 FPS on my GTX 970 (depends on the map) and around 280 fps in smoke/fire. Try playing with 60hz and see if that fixes it
My 970 crashes often after playing vidya for long periods of time..
>>51298767
what games
>>51298435
it isn't at all you retard, gameworks is cancer and tanks performance for everyone, including people with high end nvidia GPUs. same can be said for tressfx and the like.
>>51298700
Thanks man ill try it out, if it work then ill wait for a driver to come out if not fuck this card.
Do you think that i increased the voltage of my ram to 1.50v (which was stated for the ram) could be limiting the gpu voltage?
If i should RMA should i go with amazon ( where i bought it from and was delivered the next day due to proximity) or go with evga rma?
>>51297529
>bad drivers
Still with this meme I see. I have never experienced a driver issue with my 390.
The only game ive been able to properly benchmark with is the Battlefront beta. R9 390 ran flawlessly.
31% maximum usage under stressful firefights.
Helped keep cpu (fx 8350) usage down to 54%.
Havent noticed any overheating issues.
Streams flawlessly in 60fps .
Will admit that drivers were unreasonably retarded at first (only because beta drivers were out at the time for 390).
Muh 8GB onboard memory and 512-bit tho.
Rendering videos has doubled in speed since my upgrade.
Cant speak for 970 tho.
>>51298787
Path of exile, killing floor 2, some others. I don't think it did when I was playing older games like fallout 3 / stalker
>>51299052
Are you me?
>>51299072
This
There will come a point, if it already hasn't happened, that nvidia will cripple their own cards via their own software (ex. GameWorks) and try you to buy a new card
>>51299296
Facts, and only facts please.
>>51299296
Which is why me:
>>51298123
>>51298643
Is going to go get an r9 390 after o deal with this bullshit
>>51299038
>R9 390 ran flawlessly.
>31% maximum usage under stressful firefights.
What was your fps ingame though?
>get 970
kek 3.5gb ram
>get r9 390
hot & bad drivers
not matter what you are going to buy you will make a mistake.
>>51298948
Same here
>>51298123
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/781982/geforce-drivers/nvidia-geforce-gtx-900-series-feedback-gathering-low-gpu-load-and-other-issues-
yes i feel you senpai
>>51300015
just update your drivers or use an older one, it's not that hard
>>51299144
senpai
>>51298948
I felt this way as well. I bought myself a 390, only to find out that one of the games I play with friends, Elite Dangerous, has a game crippling driver issue.
As per AMD website
"[59475] Elite: Dangerous - poor performance may be experienced in SuperCruise mode"
This has been present in their drivers for more than 4 months now. If I had bought an NVIDIA card, I would not be having issues right now. AMD's last stable driver release was 7/28/2015, over 4 months ago. Their latest beta driver still has this issue.
Will I be waiting another 4 months for them to fix their drivers? Will it ever be fixed? Or is one of my games unplayable now because I chose AMD over NVIDIA?
At this point, I took a chance on AMD for the first time in many years and I got completely screwed, all because of their shit drivers. Not only the drivers, but the massive delay between releases.
To me, it looks like the AMD driver meme is not a meme but still reality.
>>51299052
How do you like stalker? Is it fun?
>>51300382
>stable driver release
They have to pay a fee to be WQHL or whatever verified and not be "beta" drivers, anymore, so they just let them be, until a major change, or they get a wild hair up their ass, presumably.
AMD beta drivers have always been the "stable" drivers.
>>51297630
>>51297555
>good goy trips
>>51297497
Im currently doing a skylake build and would also like to know the prospect of the R9 390, I am leaning towards it desu price and performance seems pretty dank.
>>51299744
>hot
no
>bad drivers
no
>>51300382
I was playing Elite Dangerous like two days ago on my 390 and I didn't notice any performance issues...
What does that mean anyways? FPS drops from 60 to 30? Or what? Crashes?
Have you even witnessed this crippling issue yourself?
>>51300920
sgssaa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
About the same
390 is slightly better performing overall, but they compete
970 is in the center of a lot of scandals though, and I had a lot of strange behavior when pushing my 970, not to mention serious coil whine.
I'd get the 390 for sure. I have the MSI 390 8g and it's pretty solidly more powerful than my 970, and has been a better experience on the whole.
In fact I can only really recommend a 970 to anyone who needs one of those SUPER small 970s they make for some reason, and even then it's kind of a hard sell. The 390 is just better. It even overclocks well.
And don't listen to those fucking faggots who tell you to "just get a 290", they are not the same card, and a 290 is not worth your money by comparison
>>51299744
>hot & bad drivers
stupid faggot
My 290X runs at like 35c and the 390 is even cooler
The drivers are fine, the only really terrible software right now is the geforce experience, it can cause resolution issues
Jesus christ nvidia's marketing is amazing
>>51301061
>My 290X runs at like 35c and the 390 is even cooler
on a custom water loop and underclocked? fans at 100%?
>>51301110
LEL MEMEs xD
>>51297497
I finally built a new PC several months ago. I went from a core 2 duo 6420 with twin gtx 260 core 216's to a 4770k with an r9 295 x2. I found the r9 on amazon for roughly $600. I would recommend that card all day long. Nice and quiet with its proprietary water cooling, and stays cool under load. Haven't had a problem with it yet. Other games like Total War Rome 2 hated the SLI on the 260's and I would have to disable it to play. Haven't had this problem with the r9 yet.
>>51301110
>Be me
>Have Sapphire Nitro R9 390
>Semi passive mode keeps idle around 42-49c
>Underload, fans spin at 35-40% with a temp of 65-70c.
>b-but, AMDead is l-loud and h-hot!!!!
>>51301210
>>51301791
295x2 holding strong at 47 c playing witcher 3 on ultra.
>>51301110
It's a Tri-X OC new edition, I never messed with the settings, it ran cool and quiet out of the box
For the AMD guys, do you recommend the Sapphire or MSI 390? I've never had an Ati/AMD card but I'm tired of Nvidia at this point. I want to give them a try. I'm having trouble finding benchmarks showing the competing 390 manufactured cards though. The two I listed seem to be well praised at least.
>>51298948
>>51298948
>>51297555
Shit stain windows user detected.
Go back to /v/ faggots.
>>51300920
fallout 4 says hi
>>51302629
I've never had problems with the sapphire stuff that being said my r9 295x2 is an xfx card. I've been burned by xfx before, but I could not turn down the price. I haven't had any problems with it so far. Bought it in April.
>>51302675
>gameworks
no thanks
>>51299744
my 290 ran at 80 constantly and died, my 390 has never gone past 56, u wrong desu senpai
>>51300968
yes, 100% reproduceable. fps drops in supercruise from 200+ down to 7fps if crusing long enough. happens on beta drivers.as well as stable.
>>51297497
>Ignoring the 3.5gb vram
>>51298123
>GPU usage is only at 30%
>games run like shit
It's not the GPU son. You have a piece of hardware bottlenecking your machine. A good gaming machine should utilize most of it's GPU. You kucked yourself.
If running Linux, GTX 970.
If on Windows R9 390.
>>51304396
>6 cpu cores
keke did you paired a GTX 970 with a FX6100?
>>51304629
But what man! Check out what i wrote below for the other 2 posts.
>>51301038
Have you played CSGO? What was your fps like?
>>51300202
>>51304682
used both a new one and the oldest one still no difference. My gpu load/usage never exceeds past 35%. But i did a 3D Mark on FireStrike and got a 12,242 score and my card was in full usage/load. But when i go into CSGO or any other games my games never pass 35%...
>>51302559
Can confirm, new 290x Tri-X is great. Especially the VRM temps with the additional phases. I think these cards are basically 390x PCBs, with 4GB and the 290X bios.
>>51302629
Go sapphire, they OEM for AMD's own line. Also I remember when MSI was junk, and it still is junk, just with flashy paint and gamer heatsinkz.
>>51301110
Actually I can share points here about this.
My case is old and sucks, and had only the 2 case fans that came with it, one 200mm for intake and one 120mm for exhaust.
Put a msi r9 390 8gb there, first day reached about 83ºC after 7h stress test, it was a fucking oven.
So I underclocked an tried custom fan curves and all, improved a bit but I actually hit 90ºC even when underclocked testing "the witcher 3".
So I opened the case, my temps skyrocket down, to 65ºC, from 90, in 10-15sec. Do some more testing, holds there. That brought me to clean up the case, the fans, take out some stuff in between see if I could get intake air better and put another 200mm exhaust fan on top.
Right now:
29-33ºC on idle UPLS/ZeroCore on (~4W)
40-44ºC on low use (watching videos and other 2D app ?) due to card clocking up memory and core fluctuation (not sure if this is normal) (~15-20W).
60ºC steady on load @default 1040/1500mhz(160W-200W)
65ºC crawling very slowly up on load (have to do more testing) @OC 1200/1525mhz (160W-200W).
So, someone with better case fans/airflow can go even lower for sure, no need for meme watercooling, underclocking is fine if you want to shave some degrees down when in desktop use / 2D apps if you don't want full memory speed or something but it's quite irrelevant. Bottom line, card is quite good and better than I expected and all problems came from my own inexperience.
>>51297579
Op wanted benchmarks and this gets no replies. Fuck you all with your anecdotal shit.
>>51302860
>>51306118
Well, thank you for the advice. Around the net, Sapphire doesn't seem to have as good of a rep from an overclocking standpoint but the temps and reliability seem good.
>>51305905
That's a CPU bottleneck, The GPU has to idle while it waits for the CPU to catch up that why you see such low usage even in demanding games, there are other cases where you would get FPS drops while usage is not even at 99% and neither the CPU is at 99% usage, it happens when there is a timing discrepancy in the game; incorrectly measured time interval and frame queuing or uneven workload between CPU & GPU requires buffering, but which can also raise timing issues, this is probably the cause 99% of the cases where frame rate is below 60, while the GPU and CPU not even reaching 99% usage.
This is causes by the game itself and there is not much we can do but you can try the next;
Go to the Nvidia Control Panel - Manage 3D Settings and mess around with the "Maximum pre-rendered frames" setting.
>>51304396
Windows 10?
>>51306352
Also I forgot to include it could also be you got a faulty card or your PSU, GPU "%" is tied to the TDP number in the BIOS file.
>>51306352
>>51306408
Oh wow thank you very much.That really makes sense and thank you for explaining that! I will try this out. If worse comes to worse i have come to terms with buying a i7 4790. Also i am playing Squad right now and my memory is being used to the full meme 3.5gb on the 970gtx. Is this bad, or is it caused by the cpu?
>>51306671
Memory shouldn't have any major impact in performance because the driver would usually stop filling the card after it fills around 3770mb, after that everything will be going into the pagefile, 256mb shouldn't make a big difference in performance, the 780Ti has only 3GB and it can still keep up with the 970 in games that use more than 3GB, same with AMD cards with only 3GB, they still offer the expected performance in those games.
The problem with the 970 is when the last segmented memory gets written AND read at the same time, which the drive already tries to prevent at any cost, the only way to force the card to go above that it's by using 4K resolution(which already is taxing enough with modern games) and crazy amounts of Anti Aliasing, which would already put any card on their knees just by the lack of raw power.
If you have a 970 I recommend you to modify the BIOS file to get rid of BOOST 2.0 and replace it with your max stable clock and voltage, that way the card won't be having to guess what voltage and clock and such while still can down clock down when it don't needs higher clocks to push 60FPS, like in old games, it also fix the problem where clocks drop by 13Mhz once the cards hits like 65ºC or 72ºC depending on the card model.
>>51306810
Hmmm. Ok so getting rid of the boost 2.0 ill check that out. So do you think i would be better off getting an i7 ontop of that as well?
You can get a 980 for around the price of a 970 on ebay. I got an evga 980 ftw edition for about 50 dollars more than a 970 ftw and have overclocked it so I get a solid 60fps on witcher 3 at 1440p. I get a 3 year extended warranty through evga's second hand program.
>>51297497
3.5GB
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>>51308454
On a more serious note, The 390 will last you longer. Games keep consuming more vram, amd drivers are getting a lot better, async support, nvidia gimping (see 970 vs 780 ti)
But then again, the 390 is a big and power hungry beast, if your case or psu aren't enough you would be better off with the 970.
390 should run fine off a 500w psu with a bit of headroom. But I'd say 550w if overclocking.
>>51306321
>>51301791
>be me
>get sapphire nitro 390
>22-27c chip/vrm idles
>47/55c six hours of load fo4
>60fps all day 1080p medium shadow distance godrays off everything else ultra
>first amd card ever owned
>never been so happy with a card purchase
Someone in another thread said turning tesselation off for fo4 Will increase frames. Anyone confirm? The fuck is tesselation anyway?
>>51308753
You do realise they haven't released drivers for it yet?
>>51308856
"In its most basic form, tessellation is a method of breaking down polygons into finer pieces. For example, if you take a square and cut it across its diagonal, you've “tessellated” this square into two triangles." - Google 2015.
>>51308856
http://mathforum.org/sum95/suzanne/whattess.html
after a quick search
>>51308856
I can confirm. I'm running on the ultra preset with textures on high (because the ultra textures are bugged) with tesselation set to x16 in CCC. I get decent fps on my 280.
>>51308974
You do realise that nvidia will further optimise this game to get every ounce of performance, right?
>>51309054
I'm personally not fussed but yes I do realise that. All the more reason I wish DX12 became the standard so that all this optimisation shit is reduced.
>>51308974
>>51308979
Cut a mo fugga some slack I'm running on empty here 30 some odd hours awake. Thanks for the link/explanation though.
>>51309034
Neat. Will try that next play.Maybe I can afford to bump shadow distance then. medium isn't too bad though really.
>>51308753
The furyX completely crapped the bed here, christ it is almost on par with a 980.
>>51300382
This is the kind of shit I'm afraid of when I imagine getting an AMD card.
And that's despite the fact that the best value in my price range is the r9 380, upgrading from a 660 ti. .
>>51309238
It's cool, senpai. You all good.
>>51309550
You get that with Nvidia too. It's not all smooth sailing. Without speaking for anybody else, the only troubles I've had, have come from the Nvidia side. I swapped vendors and with AMD, it's been a breeze. For some, it's the complete opposite.
The internet will fuck you up if you believe everything you see without questioning it. Get the 380 and enjoy it. All the friends I've suggested it to haven't had an issue to date (touch wood).
>>51309643
They're filtering words with senpai. Wow. Good going 4chin.
>>51308414
always hear shit about great deals, but I really don't see them anywhere
>>51309341
Fury X didn't shit the bed, here. Fallout 4 shit the bed.
Think about it. If the game were properly optimized, do you really think a card with better literally everything, in terms of hardware would perform at a lower standard?
>inb4 muh drivers
Works in every other game, meaning something in the code of this game is causing a big problem.
Which beta driver should I be using for the 390 by gigabyte?
