I've finally had enough of sucking Apple's dick; El Capitan is even less stable than Yosemite and daily kernel panics are driving me nuts.
I'm now looking at switching to Linux; GNOME 3.x looks very nice but I'm having some trouble finding a good distro. Ubuntu GNOME is actually not bad.
However I have a bit of an issue, how do I update GNOME? I think this is behind because gedit looks like the pre 3.12 version. The release notes show a much nicer GUI: https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.12/
Is it possible to just get a GNOME-based distro that's updated often? The current version is 3.18 and I may be running 3.10!
GNOME works with Gentoo... Is that a serious option /g/? I know very little about Linux but would like to learn more
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/Guide
>>51253754
If you want to learn more install arch, not gentoo...
>>51253766
Is Arch stable enough for daily use?
Well, more stable than OS X which probably isn't that hard.
The other option is actually i3 but I found it difficult to find software that plays nicely with it. I'd suspect most tiling WMs are the same?
>>51253792
Arch is a distro, i3 is a wm..
>>51253837
I did mention "tiling WM", I though it'd be clear enough from context; I meant it as an alternative to i3 if it would be easier to keep up to date?
>>51253681
Debian testing is remarkably easy to use and maintain, and has a fairly recent set of packages.
If you are JUST starting out, however, you might want to use Mint for some time, because it is specifically targeted at beginners and has a more beginner-oriented community than Debian.
>how do I update GNOME?
Typically, packages are updated through the distro's package manager. e.g:sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
If you want software that isn't in the distro's repos yet, you will have to build it yourself or use a distro that has cutting edge packages (Arch for example).
>>51253681
>>51253957
By the way, all current versions of debian (stable and upwards) all have gnome 3.14 or later, so it shouldn't be an issue:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnome&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
>>51253681
>daily kernel panics
haha youre doing something seriously wrong anon
hell, i run osx86 and it runs better than windows
>>51253998
I was watching a video on YouTube and it just died on me. I have no kernel extensions, no real modifications to the OS, the hardware is stock, etc...
>>51253998
>osx86
I've been interested in doing something like that for a while, how is that working out for you?
Any hardware compatibility issues? Do you have to specifically buy hardware that works or does it typically work on anything?
Is iDeneb still a thing?
>>51253681
but anon, you're too stupid to stop sucking that dick now
>>51253998
>eating shit from my hands is better than not eating shit from my hands
>>51253957
Thanks for the advice
>>51254050
This is true to some degree, I realize how I really fucked myself over here. If only I listened to /g/ a few years back.
Everything is Apple centric right now; Time Machine, afp, iMessage, FaceTime. I'm going to undo the damage. Late is still better than never
>>51253987
>Ubuntu GNOME: 3.8
>Debian stable GNOME: 3.14
>mfw debian FUCKING STABLE has newer packages than Ubuntu
Debian stable keeps really old packages to make sure that the system is rock solid. Ubuntu has even OLDER packages than Debian, but nowhere near as stable as Debian.
Extremely embarrassing, wow.
If you want the latest version of GNOME get Fedora!
Is easy to use and maintain and you get the latest and greatest free software.
Add RPMFusion repo if you want to use patented and proprietary software.
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux#Fedora
>>51253792
>Is Arch stable enough for daily use?
The only problems I've come across so far are related to proprietary Nvidia drivers.
It's really easy after some learning.
source: arch is my first/current distro (I used xubuntu for 30mins after deciding to go for arch)
>>51254111
>3.8
Wow that's old! I always thought Debian was behind which is why I didn't look at it
sudo apt-get install gnome
don't blame you for switching. apple make nice laptops, but paying the premium makes you look like a fool
>>51253998
>hell, i run osx86 and it runs better than windows
This is true on the T420 with the HD3000/i5-2520m, too. It will run cooler and have about an hour more battery life. You have to install less fucking extra drivers in OS X than on Windows on that thing, so long as you insert a Broadcom WLAN card.
>GNOME
How does a macbook have kernel panics? OS X is made to run with that
>>51253792
>I found it difficult to find software that plays nicely with it
>what is terminal
>>51254171
OP if you wanna use GNOME, check Fedora out. The GNOME devs work on Fedora for a reason and many of them use Macbooks.
Get fedora for that up to date gnome.
>>51254120
How different is Fedora from Debian?
>>51254166
I like GNOME!
>>51254171
It's a Mac Mini, but yeah... The software has gone downhill. I never had kernel panics on Lion, Mountain Lion or Mavericks
>>51254175
I know how to use the terminal, I meant, for instance, a web browser
>>51254207
dnf v. apt-get.
New version came out recently, and I hear it's pretty good.
>>51253681
I started the Ubuntu Gnome hype when I was searching for a unique Ubuntu flavor. I was probably the least liked person on /g/.
Then I saw how rapidly it was raping my laptop battery and I had to switch to Unity/Compiz. This is giving me higher battery life than even Windows 7 now.
The choice is obvious, fuck Gnome.
>>51253894
Arch is "bleeding edge"
>>51254254
I'm not concerned with battery life and if I couldn't use GNOME 3 I'd probably use Xfce
I really don't like Unity, it doesn't fit with me
>>51254207
>How different is Fedora from Debian?
Well the big difference is the package manager. Debian uses apt with .deb packages while Fedora uses dnf with .rpm packages. For the most part they are pretty similar with dnf being better at dependency resolutions being that it's a more modern software.
As for the distribution themselves they have different philosophies. Debian Stable usually has outdated software while Fedora has usually the latest upstream packages.
But Fedora is quite stable for desktop use and I personally have been using it for more than 2 years on my T430 w/o ever needing to clean install it. Upgrading is easy and usually painless.
>>51254254
>>51254294
If you guys want an even lighter system (with probably longer battery life), look into MATE.
It's based on GNOME 2, but a lot snappier than GNOME 3, and is less processing intensive.
>>51254331
Mate is a piece of shit with bugs just like Plasma 5.
I rather wait for KDE to get its shit together and use that.
Thanks everyone
Going to try Fedora in a minute. I'm not sure if I can install this over my Mac Mini (specs attached) otherwise I'll sell it and buy a new computer
>kernel panics
Wut... I've been using el Capitan since launch and have never had a kernel panic
>>51254331
Instead of MATE I would recommend Xfce if you want a lightweight experience.
>>51254351
It's been pretty solid for me
>>51253766
>you learn about computers by mastering the art of configs meme
howd that job application fabbing semiconductors at intel go? im sure that arch installation puts you on the short list
>>51254365
I'll buy it from you friend, $50
>>51254254
How did you get League running on ubuntu? I've been wanting to switch my main rig over but LoL is the the only game holding me back.
>>51254381
This.
If you want to ACTUALLY learn about Linux, go through LFS
>>51254365
My T430 has similar specs as your Mac Mini. Trust me it will run just fine.
Daily kernel panics?
Bullshit.
So much autism in this post.
>>51254367
>Apple in charge of consistency and stability
Their devices look fashionable but underneath they are unstable as fuck with inconsistent experience for different users. Tell me the last time you heard another brand of laptop where the battery fucking inflated or the keyboard literally melted on the LCD panel?
I have a shitty HP I got for $500 and it is more stable and refined than a fucking Macbook.
>>51254367
Nice try, Steve Jobs.
>>51253681
>El Capitan is even less stable than Yosemite and daily kernel panics are driving me nuts
wut
>>51254367
I'm not sure what it is anymore. I have two Macs; a Mac Mini (see >>51254365) and a MacBook Air. Both of which have daily kernel panics on Yosemite and El Capitan; both versions.
I downgraded my MacBook to Mavericks. Not a single kernel panic or hiccup ever.
My Mac Mini got a fresh reinstall with El Capitan. Daily kernel panics.
I'd be willing to bet you a thousand bucks I downgrade it to Mavericks and it won't cause me problems.
I don't know why but there's some problem with OS X. I'd prefer to not stay on Mavericks as Apple doesn't make security updates for it.
10.11.1 was Apple's final chance and nothing changed. I'd stay if I could, honestly
>>51254367
Exactly this, just a lot of butthurt poorfags here
how do i downgrade my current verison of gnome? 3.14 or whatever they are on now is fucking garbage, laggy as shit. i want to go down to like 3.8 or 3.4 but naturally since its linux its fucking borderline impossible. the only thing ive seen is a link to the github page where you have like 100 fucking individual folders and i sure as shit am not going to individually pick and chose every single fucking part of that shit just to have to figure out what to do from there
>>51253681
use arch or fedora to get 3.18.
That is the only way right now.
>>51254411
Same experience here.
Grabbed a $200 refurbished dell poc laptop and installed linux, never had a single problem since.
>>51254423
>My Mac Mini got a fresh reinstall with El Capitan. Daily kernel panics.
Looks like it's a hardware problem.
>>51254402
Ok thank you! I'd prefer to keep it as the power consumption is really low
Install OS/2
>>51254408
Not that this proves it or anything:$ uptime
1:16 up 2:38, 3 users, load averages: 3.04 3.11 2.69
I never shut down my computer so 2 hours of uptime is very strange.
(I've spent the last 2 hours downloading and trying distros)
>>51254429
Distros only keep one copy of the software on their repos.
If you want an older version, you will have to build it yourself.
This typically isn't a problem, but GNOME is an absolute mess, so you will have to jump through hoops to get anything working.
Alternatively, give Cinnamon a shot.
>>51254411
Happens quote often on other products. This is coming from someone who has never purchased an iproduct, but you can take a quick look at all the failures lenovo has had and your argument is completely destroyed
>>51254438
On two Macs both of which are rock solid on Mavericks?
I don't believe it's a hardware issue
>>51254389
Its been running flawlessly for a while now.
Install through PlayonLinux. Only additional thing you need to install is IE8 inside the virtual drive to fix the fonts.
>>51253681
what the fuck are you doing to get daily kernel panics? either you're full of shit or there's something seriously wrong with your computer
>>51254474
Not him, but with Apple's price premium for lower hardware specs, isn't it reasonable to expect them to have a higher standards of quality?
If an Apple laptop costs $500 more than a similarly-specced Lenovo laptop and both have equal chances of shitting the bed, the Lenovo product is better because it costs less.
If Apple products cost the same as other brands and failed the same rate, there wouldn't be a problem, but keeping the same failure rate while having a dramatically higher price just isn't reasonable.
>>51254294
if you really want battery use something based on openbox.
I copied crunchbang's configs into a script that auto sets it up and downloads everything in Arch. I also added a bit of tiling to the config.
My #! openbox config on Arch uses 170MB of ram on a cold boot and I get an extra hour of battery versus gnome 3.18. I can upload it if someone wants it.
Pic somewhat related
>>51254111
What are you talking about? The latest Ubuntu Gnome uses Gnome 3.16.
>>51253681
The interface on Gnome is VERY similar to OSX. Don't forget to install the Gnome extension dash to dock so you can put the dock on the bottom.
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/307/dash-to-dock/
>>51254254
When I tried Unity a few days ago it had a clunkier interface than Gnome 3 and it ran slower even on a SSD.
>>51254365
I would use either Ubuntu Gnome or Arch/Antergos. It seems harder to find packages on RPMfusion. It doesn't even have retroarch.
http://rpmfusion.org/Wishlist
>>51254501
Want more proof? I don't have anymore
> been using 10.11 since beta 1
> 0 crashes, 0 problems
> (except for having to fix /usr/local permissions for homebrew, but that took all of 5 seconds)
feels good to be competent
>>51253681
>kernel panics
your fault for running a hackintosh
>>51254540
I'm glad it's working well for you.
For what it's worth kernel panics are the only issue I encounter; everything else is absolutely rock solid
>>51254535
Gnome 3 feels fluid and cool until you begin to rice and modify the distro. Unlike other DE's where gtk theme applies to everything properly, Gnome shell is an asshole and requires a separate theme to even modify the top menu.
That is not accounting for the stupid design where open Windows disappear and you need to hit the corner to switch.
>>51254535
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnome&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
A bunch of the individual packages are at 3.16, but the overarching virtual package is still stuck at 3.8 (see the top of that page).
>>51254552
It's genuine Apple hardware (>>51254365)
>>51254535
Oh thanks that looks really nice!
>>51254367
>>51254408
>>51254420
>>51254426
>aplol cant do wrong
Apple is a cult at this point
>>51254607
I never believed in the cult but I'm starting to. All my friends who use Macs refuse to believe I'm having issues. "It must be hardware" is what I always hear. I run AHT/Apple Diagnostics but never find anything. Running Mavericks for months on end proves it can run without issues.
They simply refuse to acknowledge Apple's software isn't what it used to be.
Even after all that they are still convinced it's a hardware issue. I just gave up in the end.
>>51254607
Haha a cult of people that don't want to waste time fucking around with a broken system.
Get homebrew, some form of virtualization software, done.
>>51254485
Thanks, I'll give this a shot
>>51254607
>at this point
>>51254049
no one uses distros unless you have downs
use a virtualmachine and create a usb installer based off of vanilla images
>>51254026
youre a fagit somehow
>>51254079
whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhut
>>51254679
One word of advice, I am using Intel GPU that works very well with Linux. AMD will give you the most problems, second being Nvidia depending on your Linux drivers.
>>51254666
>a cult of people that don't want to waste time fucking around with a broken system.
So why do you use a fundamentally broken piece of shit like OSX?
>>51254151
I run it on a laptop with an i5-4210U with HD4400. I get 6 hours battery life and use a BCM4352HMB, wifi, bluetooth and handoff works great
>>51254570
I find that I really don't need to rice it that much other then putting the dock at the bottom and adding min/max buttons to the windows. I was never really much of a ricer anyway though.
You can also press the icon on the
dock to switch windows like with Unity.
>>51254574
Now I see it. It seems to be just two packages.
>gnome-activity-journal
>gnome-do
Thanks to everyone who made suggestions. I think I can use this (although maybe not the dark theme)
>>51253681
Best GNOME distro is easily Fedora. Ignore the Arch/Gentoo shills if you intend to just use your computer.
>>51254570
Hey, that's funny, a few hours ago I installed Ubuntu GNOME in a VM to look into GNOME again, as it' been seven years since the last time. I really liked it, especially since it is the only DE with somewhat decent High DPI support. I think the default font looks really affected and stupid, so I wanted to change it, turns out it just changes some of the UI elements.
Fucking idiots, what's the purpose of open source and free and whatnot, if you can't even change the simplest things without workarounds? Why do they always have to mess up that one thing? So annoying.
>>51255148
Korora if you don't want to fuck in yum activating non-free repos.
>>51255194
>yum
Stop living in the past
>>51254465
>those averages
Damn
>>51255157
Changing the fonts works for me.
>>51255508
Not everywhere though. Look for example at that activities bar. Or that exposé-like thing when you hit the cmd/Windows key. You can't easily change those fonts with gnome-tweak-tool.
gnome sucks, use lxde
>>51253681
Antergos
>>51255573
lxde is shit, fuck of shill
i got ubuntu gnome and this is a scrot i took bro. old but nothing changed. looks good enough for me
>>51255691
What's the theme m9?
>>51253681
Fedora or Ubuntu Gnome.
Arch is a meme.
>>51253792
arch is unstable as fuck
not usable for really production enviroment
>>51255699
Sorry, I just noticed that it's right there.
>>51254925
I use the default light theme myself but there's tons of other themes if you want to change more shit. But to be honest the defaults are sensible enough. You can add more functionality with Tweak Tool by downloading extensions, which seems to be something you did. Anyway hope you enjoy playing around with Fedora and maybe you might end up installing it for real! Remember to keep a separate partition of OS X for firmware updates.
>>51256132
>keep a separate partition of OS X for firmware updates
Good point, thanks I was probably going to nuke the whole drive!
Currently using cinnamon. I personally like it.
>>51254423
They are supporting mavericks (only security though).
Honestly, its some software you are running. My family has 4 macs that they got from pawn shops for like half off and none have kernel panics. On my mbp, I had panics with yosemite but that was only because of little snitch kernel extensions went to shit. Haven't reinstalled LS since Jan even though I want to so I can install rosetta stone again.
>>51254925
Fedora will be a good starter distro.
Once you're into the whole linux thing for a while I would recommend switching to something a little more advanced like arch just so you'll have much better package management as Fedora and other RPM based distros have notoriously bad packaging.
Arch is probably not for a first timer like yourself but it is a good choice once you know what you're doing.
>>51253792
>>51253837
I use Arch and found it pretty nice. The Arch wiki is pretty good, and AUR is nice.
I use herbstluftwm, similar to i3, but I like some of the changes in the way it handles windows. You should give it a go, OP
>>51253894
arch is a distribution
i3 is a window manager
this means any of the following are possible:
i3 on arch
i3 on a different distro
a different wm on arch
a different wm on a different distro
>>51253681
>daily kernel panics
nigger u got a hardware issue, don't go blaming the software.
>>51253792
In my nearly three years of using Arch I've literally had nothing break that wasn't my fault (accidentally deleting some essential config file, not properly backing up/restoring /var/ when migrating drives, etc.).
>>51255838
Is FUD and the poster probably hasn't used Arch in years.
>>51254539
if you are having kernel panics take your mac mini to the apple store and have them check it out. You shouldn't have this kind of issue. You might have a defective device which can happen.
>GNOME
You're being trolled, OP.
>>51257765
There's literally nothing wrong with Gnome unless you're some baby duck windows c uck.
>>51253681
>daily kernel panics
wtf are you doing, running your native os inside a debugger, or hackentoshing, or just plain lying?
>>51253681
You might like elementary OS
>>51257127
>Fedora
>bad package management
You wot m8?
DNF is a solid package manager. Arch is seriously not a distro for anyone wanting to get things done. Arch is a toy distro for people with more time than sense.
